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Good morning! It's Wild Card Weekend and the Chiefs aren't playing, but that doesn't stop the news. Here's your Kansas City Chiefs news. Enjoy.
After the Chiefs interviewed Jack Del Rio, the field of known candidates to become their next head coach expanded to three. It also became evident a couple of the presumed favorites when Todd Haley was fired last month aren't on that list.
- Former Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher indicated he would soon choose between offers from Miami and St. Louis.
- The Chiefs have yet to request permission to speak with St. Louis Rams offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. He could be headed back to New England as an assistant coach.
Del Rio Joins Chiefs' List from KC Star
Chiefs linebackers
Derrick Johnson andTamba Hali were each awarded NFL All-Pro honors by the Associated Press Friday afternoon... ...Johnson and Hali finished first and second in a vote of their teammates for the Derrick Thomas MVP Award and are both heading to Hawaii later this month for the Pro Bowl. Thomas was the last Chiefs linebacker to earn AP All-Pro honors (second-team in 1996).
Johnson And Hali Earn AP All-Pro Honors from The Mothership
There are two franchises whose fans have waited longer for a playoff victory than the Kansas City Chiefs, and both of those teams play in Wild Card games this weekend...
...For the Bengals, 21 years have passed since the franchise last won a playoff game. It's currently the NFL's longest active streak without a playoff win...
...Detroit, who is making its first playoff appearance since 1999, currently owns the NFL's second-longest streak without a playoff win at 20 years. They'll try to kick the schnide Saturday in New Orleans.
Playoff Notebook: Chiefs Vs. Bengals And Lions from The Mothership
Could Joe Philbin and Matt Flynn be a package deal in Kansas City?...
...It makes some sense, and if Philbin - who may be a serious candidate - gets the job, I think the possibility will be on the table.
Green Bay Reunion In K.C.? from ESPN
If you're like most, there is honest intention toward your New Year's resolutions. I have two for the Kansas City Chiefs, but unlike me, I think they can keep them.
Win at home and win in the division.
In the past 13 seasons, Kansas City has had four playoff appearances. Better than none, but nothing past the first round. We're long removed from Marty Schottenheimer and his six playoff appearances in 10 seasons. The 1993 season was the closest I've seen the Chiefs get to a Super Bowl.
But, I have hope.Some Doable New Year's Resolutions For The Chiefs from The Examiner
"When I first came into the league," said Gonzalez, "we went 13-3 with a first-round bye, and I said, `OK, this is how the NFL goes. This is cake. I'll have a Super Bowl trip every couple of years.' That's what I thought."
Well, the Kansas City Chiefs lost on a frigid field to John Elway and the Denver Broncos and an annoying trend was born. After that, Gonzalez played on some awful Chiefs teams, caught passes from some average quarterbacks and spent much of his winters watching playoff football from his sofa. And then when the Chiefs did put together a winning team, they were shot down by Peyton Manning twice.
Gonzalez Still Searching For His Break from ESPN
There are currently five head coaching positions open in the NFL including the Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, St. Louis Rams and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Jaguars, Chiefs and Dolphins fired their head coaches in the middle of the season while the Rams and Bucs waited for Black Monday.
If I'm a free agent coach looking at these teams, which job is the best one available? We talked with SB Nation bloggers from each coach-less team and asked them to make the case for their team's head coach opening as the best one available.
Help Wanted: Which NFL Head Coaching Vacancy Is The Most Desirable? from SB Nation
Orton and many other high net-worth investors thought, of course, they were investing in a sure thing. (Doesn't it always seem like a sure thing?) An investment syndicate in Chicago (yes, that already sounds bad) told them they'd be buying into a partnership that sells "biomass gas produced from landfills" -- language designed to be a polite description of the gases that ooze from garbage dumps...
...According to the lawsuit Orton has filed against the law firm, the lawyers wrote opinions confirming the legality of the deal and prepared the myriad tax returns necessary to obtain the tax credits.
Green Gas, Good Intent And Kyle Orton from ESPN
More than four decades before Anthony Robles and Bubba Jenkins were crowned champs at the 2011 NCAA Division I Wrestling Championships, future NFL star Curley Culp became the first national mat champ for Arizona State... making quick work of his opponents, as demonstrated on a YouTube video posted online Thursday...
... A football star in high school and at Arizona State, Curley Culp had a long and successful career in professional football, playing for the Kansas City Chiefs, Houston Oilers and Detroit Lions.
Video: Before Bubba And Robles, Culp Pinned Down 1st NCAA Title For Arizona State from Examiner.com
Hi Peyton,
Let me start off this letter by saying that I understand that it can't be a good situation for you to hear everyone and their brother agreeing that letting you walk away from the city you helped build is the right decision for the Indianapolis Colts franchise. Sad, angry, distraught, confused and downright pissed off would be normal feelings for anyone right now. And there's probably only a few athletes in the world right now that could possibly understand anything close to what you're feeling. And to be honest, the guy typing on this keyboard isn't one of them. But with that said, there is a light at the end of the dark tunnel and that light is in my hometown and your future place of employment, Kansas City.
An Open Letter To Peyton Manning From A Chiefs Fan from SB Nation Kansas City
So, he'd be a difficult sell in Kansas City and if he is the choice, many folks would wonder what he could do with the Chiefs that Crennel couldn't.
However, you can't blame Pioli for talking to Del Rio. It's good for him to pick the brains of several coaches. Plus, perhaps Del Rio could emerge as a defensive coordinator candidate if someone else gets the job. Hiring Del Rio (who could be a defensive coordinator candidate in Oakland) as an assistant would likely play much better than as a head coach.
Because he doesn't play to CB Brandon Flowers' level, we hear it is unrealistic to expect Chiefs CB Brandon Carr to receive a contract similar to Flowers'. Flowers signed a five-year, $50 million contract last September. However, Carr is well-respected by Kansas City's front office and he's likely to receive an extension. The team is pleased with the cornerback duo of Carr and Flowers.
Dolphins Expected To Seek Pass Rusher To Pair With Wake from Pro Football Weekly
Soaring high above the expected annual pile-up of hideously inaccurate NFL season predictions, The Sporting News has apparently tapped into some sort of gridiron sorcery.
The now-obviously clairvoyant publication went on record back in August and stated that the wondrous Green Bay Packers would end the 2011 season 15-1, with their sole loss coming at Kansas City in week 15.
The Sporting News Peered Into Its Crystal Ball And Predicted The Pack Would Go 15-1, Lose To Chiefs from A.V. Club
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I love Tony G.
But I don’t feel sorry for him and he would have had just a good a chance to win something here had he stayed. It’s interesting that he wanted to go to the Giants but they wouldn’t have him. My lasting impression of him will rest on whether he retires as a Chief, and I have serious doubts about that.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
Well that's good news, now get it done
However, Carr is well-respected by Kansas City’s front office and he’s likely to receive an extension. The team is pleased with the cornerback duo of Carr and Flowers.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 7, 2012 7:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That might be the first news I've seen on the Carr contract front
Positive news at that. Good to hear. Keep him here.
Im actually coming around to the thought of Flynn here in KC. As long as he’s not Cassel-expensive, I don’t mind him bringing in some fresh competition
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 8:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions
How so?
He was expensive for a back up QB. That is what Flynn has been. To give another $60 million to a career backup would be incredibly stupid
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 8:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't a backup for us.
Filling in for Brady, he played every game in 2008, starting 15 of them.
We acquired him with the intention of starting him. His contract was pretty middle of the road for a starting NFL QB.
Say what you want about his disappointing production. But to pretend his contract was anything other than average for a starting QB is just refusing to accept the facts.
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Heh. Considering he was paid as a top ten QB the last three years...
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Where are you getting your numbers?
http://sportsfeens.com/nfl-quarterback-salaries/nfl-quarterback-salaries/
His first year of his contract was more heavily weighted, as he was franchise tagged in NE so he was due a certain amount regardless in that first year. His total contract wasn’t bad at all for an NFL QB.
Pretty run of the mill over all.
I have plenty of gripes about Cassel. Contract isn’t one of them. It’s just making up something to bitch about.
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No no, you are just grasping on to something to argue about
See below and get back on track of my original point if you really want to , which you have yet to even address, which tells me you agree.
And yeah, paying Cassel as a top ten QB in the first 3 years of his contract is expensive. The total of his contract was on par with a top 5 QB in the draft that year, as well as many of the elite QBs of the league up until the last couple of years and some massive extensions for said elite QBs.
So spin it however you want, but if you think giving Flynn a similar contract would be a good idea, I can’t wait to hear your reasoning
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your words, "as long as he's not Cassel expensive"
Cassel isn’t expensive.
It’s really not hard to get.
Now if you’re saying as long as Flynn doesn’t get a contract on par with your average NFL starting QB like Cassel had – then I can be on board with that. Because that’s what Cassel’s was.
If we could get him really cheap, why not? Worst case scenario, we have a potential quality backup. But Cassel made fairly average money for a QB, nothing special. I don’t know that Flynn’s one really good game warrants a contract paying average starter money.
Not deflecting anything. You just keep spouting fallacies like Cassel being expensive. Just trying to put you back on track there from your derailment.
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Fallacies? Like top ten QB yearly salary since 2009 being deemed "average"?
Whatever. You choose to look at these last three seasons and the total of the contract, I’ll look at the past three seasons of the front loaded contract that paid him as a top ten QB and know that is exactly what I don’t want to see the team give to Flynn. Accept that, don’t, keep ignoring the point, just don’t care anymore. But feel free to keep arguing a point that can be construed to either side if you like, claiming your accuracy and defaming mine. That is full of win for you
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 9:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Has nothing to do with defaming anyone.
You just repeated a common meme / fallacy around here as some way of supporting a statement. It happens way too often around here.
He had one year of being paid probably too much – and that was unavoidable because he was due a certain amount that first year from having been tagged anyway. The tag dictated one year of high salary.
Every year since (and those still to come) are average to well below average QB money.
People just see things like a regular poster here saying, “Matt Cassel is expensive” – then they go on and repeat it like it’s true or something.
Sorry your panties are so wadded up over it. It’s not an attack on you. It has nothing to do with you at all, really. It’s just the often repeated meme of “Matt Cassel’s contract was HUGE for the Chiefs! OMG What a mistake!” And we see it here all the time.
And it isn’t true.
Now question whether he should have been on the roster at all – that’s plenty valid. Hindsight says no. But at the time it made good sense given the context.
Could Flynn be a carbon copy of Cassel? Very possible. But if GB franchise tags him, I want nothing to do with it – I can definitely agree with you there. But if we had a contract of 5 years with $28m guaranteed (the overall terms of Cassel’s deal, his was just front loaded) – maybe? I dunno that I’m even sold on average money for Flynn at this point.
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by TRSChief on Jan 7, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TRS Is Correct
The only reason he got paid so much the first two years of the contract is because they front-loaded all the guaranteed money just in case Cassel didn’t work out. It was essentially a two year deal with the team able to cut ties after that for pretty much zero penalty. Cassel makes about 5.5 million next year…more than a backup, but well below average for a starter, and we can cut him without it hurting the cap.
You’re pointing out one year as a problem…look at the overall contract before you complain about it. It was actually a really smart move by Pioli.
Not To Mention
There’s a decent chance Cassel isn’t here next year. Most of the speculation about him seemed to revolve around McDaniels being in love with him, but it appears that McDaniels isn’t coming here. And even if he does stay, there’s a decent chance he’s just a backup.
It’s pointless to complain about what the Chiefs should or should not do about Cassel until free agency and the draft are done anyway, or until we get a new head coach…we have no idea what our options are or the direction we’re headed.
No one was complaining, crawford
TRS chose to latch on to me stating I hoped the team didn’t throw a “cassel-expensive” contract at Flynn, which would pay Flynn upwards of $40 million in 3 years. $13 million a year is in fact pretty pricey for a career backup, just as it was with Cassel. It is even more so now with the rookie salary structure. I’m not claiming there was a better option at the time for the Chiefs then to pay Cassel that contract, but it doesn’t make it less expensive to pay $13+ million a season for him, Flynn, or any other relatively unproven player, hence why the rookie salary structure was put into place with this last labor negotiations
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It Was Only Expensive If You Don't Look At How It's Structured
Over the course of the contract, it was $10 million per season…fairly reasonable. Cassel hasn’t performed up to it, but that’s just a risk and the way it was set up, it doesn’t hurt the Chiefs much if they cut him.
"Unproven" Players
You do realize that sports contracts are a futures market, right? You’re not paying for what a player has done, you’re playing based on a projection of what that player will do and that has risk. If Flynn had more of a track record of success like his last game, he’d cost a hell of a lot more than $13 million a season. His market is considered $13 million because people think he’s worth that…if they were more certain, it would be more like $15 million or higher because of his age and perceived upside.
You aren’t going to sign a QB that people think has potential cheaply…there aren’t a lot of them that become available.
You're only paying a lot of money for what a player has done if you're the Titans
CJ2K and his agent are thankful for that.
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Oh, that is news to me
Considering Peyton and Brady are recently the highest paid players in the league, and both are on the back ends of their careers, I must be mistaken on my thoughts of paying players top ten money for their positions AFTER they have shown that high level of play, again, hence why the rookie salary structure was put into place.
But yeah, we should pay Cassel or Flynn $13-$15 million a year based on potential and just shuck that same rookie salary structure just because they have been in the league for a few years.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Flynn Isn't A Rookie
He’s a 26 year old free agent at a position of high scarcity who has demonstrated that he may be worth that much money. Whether he is or isn’t is a risk…same as it is for every player.
You want certainty that fewer players will bust after signing a contract? You’re following the wrong sport.
And If Flynn Showed That 400 Yards A Game Was The Norm
He’d be worth more than what Peyton Manning got. If he can post 300 yard games fairly regularly with 2 TDs a game over the life of the deal, he’s worth $13 million. The only question is whether he’s worth the risk, and nobody will know the answer to that until it happens.
And Again
We didn’t pay Cassel $13 million a year…his contract averaged out to just over $10 million. He got paid more than that average because of how the contract was structured, because the team front loaded it so the cap hit wasn’t a problem. Which isn’t a reason to gripe.
Completely whiffed on me just making a smartass dig at theTitans
But it’s okay, get it out of your system if you need to.
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For Flynn, I'm Apathetic
I think his ceiling is actually higher than Cassel’s (I don’t recall Cassel throwing for 6 TDs and 480 yards in any game with the Chiefs or New England), but I also think that he’ll be overvalued as a result of that game. The guy was nothing special in college, which is why he was a late round pic, and his stats outside of that game have been pretty blah. I also question whether he can function as well in an offense other than Green Bay’s.
Dear Delaney,
You’ve FINALLY explained how you’re deducing your numbers (“look{ing} at the past three seasons of the front loaded contract that paid him as a top ten QB”). I appreciate that.
Now, show me where they’re coming from—how you KNOW they’re top ten. If that’s true I’m also upset by that fact. It was a really expensive “bet” on Cassel.
If it’s not true, everyone needs to stop having these “my truth is so much bigger than your truth” type arguments.
Thanks,
A Fan Who Hasn’t Decided How He Feels About The Cassel Contract And Would Like Everyone Who Shouts About It To Show Their Hand So A Decision Could Be Made.
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Eh, there's nothing hidden going on there.
He was franchise tagged. His first year was going to be a chunk of change (average of the top 5 at the time, and that was before Brady and Manning got their ridiculous contracts to skew the numbers even worse).
That’s life in the NFL dealing with franchise tags.
It wasn’t the first three years. It was one year paying for picking up a tagged player. That frontloaded his 5 year 28m guaranteed (63m potential) contract.
At a time when the team was so far under the salary cap, there’s no better time to front load a contract affected by the franchise tag. Perfect time to, really.
Has nothing to do with a truth being different or better than another truth. That’s the truth of it in a vacuum. It’s neither better nor worse than anything else. It’s just true. It’s not my version, or your version, or anyone else’s version. It’s just what happened.
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He was paid $40+ million of his $60 million in the first 3 years of the contract
That is the way his contract was structured. That is over $13 million a season. The top ten QBs in the league in terms of yearly pay (salary + bonuses) over that same time bottomed at $10 mil. per year. Brees is under a similar contract with New Orleans at the time, and was making less a season than Cassel. Brady was making less until his 2010 extension. It is what it is.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sources, please.
And why reply to him and not me, when I asked the question to you sir?
I’d seriously like to see the side-by-side that you’re referring to here.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty easy to look up. Directly from rotoworld:
7/14/2009: Signed a six-year, $63 million contract. The deal contains $28 million guaranteed, including a $10 million roster bonus in the first year.
2011: $4.75 million (+ $7.5 million option bonus),
2012: $5.25 million,
2013: $7.5 million,
2014: $9 million,
2015: Free Agent
Link - then click “view contract details”
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Excellent--and thanks.
It boosts your credibility, TRS, when you can show some linkage or other evidence for your point.
/goes and checks Roto
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
You will have to just excuse me
Im on my mobile at work, and I really don’t have time to prove my point in full outlined and bullet pointed detail for you right now. I provided basic knowledge if his contract breakdown, along with comparisons to other top ten paid QBs in that same time frame, so again, you will just have to accept or not despite not having a listed, side by side analysis for your viewing pleasure
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I Still Have No Idea What Your Point Is
You’re unhappy because Cassel underachieved by his contract size in 2009 and 2010? Well yeah…nobody was really arguing that with you.
You think that this somehow hurt the team? If so, how? It didn’t prevent the Chiefs from extending our best players. It wasn’t a reason we didn’t sign free agents (because we had plenty of cap room). It isn’t a contract we’re stuck with for the next four years. So what is your point?
Jesus, does anyone read how threads start anymore?
Clearly you missed the point. So I’ll say this one last time: I REALLY HOPE THE CHIEFS DO NOT THROW MATT FLYNN A CONTRACT SIMILAR TO MATT CASSEL’S, WHICH WOULD BE $13+ MILLION A YEAR FOR 3 SEASONS (I.E. CASSEL-EXPENSIVE).
That is all. If you don’t get it, leave it alone. If you do, and disagree that $13 million a season for 3 years isn’t expensive, then hooray for you. Lets move on to RAC City in Kansas City
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You're Hoping The Chiefs Don't Take A Significant Financial Gamble On A Young Player?
Guess we won’t be hearing any bitching from you about Kyle Orton’s performance then…he’ll get a middling deal. And we’ll get middling performance from him if he signs here,
If you want to get better, you have to take risks.
Even if a contract goes out at a "Matt Cassel-expensive" $13 mil/year (which still is not quite right)
For a starting QB, $13 mil isn’t a huge financial gamble. It’s pretty run of the mill these days – and that number is only going to be going up with veterans getting more due to the rookie wage scale.
$13 mil / year for the most important position in the franchise is just fine. If he produces, extend that contract or pay him more – we have the room. If he doesn’t, cut him loose and try someone else.
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Agreed
Personally, I still don’t see the gripe about Matt Cassel’s deal. He was overpaid but the guy wasn’t Ryan Leaf. His contract didn’t cripple the franchise or even prevent us from resigning our best players. And he’s making almost no guaranteed money from here on out so the Chiefs will cut him after this season if he doesn’t become a really good starter.
It seems more like bitching because people think he didn’t “deserve” the money. To which I’d respond, if it didn’t harm the team long-term, who cares?
Or, More Accurately
You have to take risks on young players. Young players with talent don’t come cheap as free agents. Sometimes that will work, sometimes it won’t. But if you only pay for “proven” performance all you’re going to get is a lot of old guys who won’t take your team anywhere.
Risks don't have to be paying an unproven commodity top ten money for their position
You want to give Flynn a 4 year, $20-$25 mil contract, 10-12 guaranteed, cool. Want to treat him like a top 5 pick, pre-rookie salary structure, ala Cassel? No thanks. Save those top ten contracts for the proven top ten players.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Higher Risk, Higher Reward
You don’t want to risk much on a player with high potential, then you’ll probably never get burned too badly. You’ll also probably never get anyone who’s that good.
It doesn't look like he got 13 mil a year.
It looks like his contract was mostly the big upfront bonus, and about 9.3 mil a year otherwise. It’s really a 28 million dollar deal with a bunch of one year deals for 5-9 million, each year, starting in ’12.
9 mil for a chance at a decent quarterback isn’t THAT bad, especially with the kind of ’08 that Cassel had.
Consider that in light of Flynn—he hasn’t had a full season with his toys, just preseason games, mop-up time, and his Tecmo Bowl game v/s the Lions….shit, I wouldn’t hand Flynn 13 million, but I’d sign him for 7-9 for two or three years, sure.
The Cassel contract isn’t as bad as I thought, Delaney, or even as bad as you suggest it is…if we gave Flynn something like it, with a significantly smaller bonus (due to less proven skill), that’d be workable.
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Delaney, I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just tired of the arguement and into hearing facts.
I’m legitimately sorry if I come off as needling you, especially since you’re at work, but leave the snark out of this.
As much as I enjoy your comments typically, I could’ve done without the attitude today. Don’t forget there’s another PERSON sitting here, talking Chiefs with you, allright?
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Beat Me To It
And the salary in those last four years is pretty much non-guaranteed. The big money in that contract was the first two seasons. Weren’t too many people complaining about it in 2010. And it’s pointless to bitch about it now because a) the 2009 and 2010 salaries have no real effect on anything we do now, and b) unless he dramatically improves next year he isn’t getting paid anything by the Chiefs in 2013 or 2014.
So yeah
I definitely do not want to throw that kind of money at Flynn. So maybe we can get back on track of the point I’m making here.
Regardless of how you or I feel about Cassel’s contract, again, it would be cataclysmic to give another similar contract to Flynn to be our starter
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 8:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought spending more money would solve all the Chiefs' ills.
by bossmanham on Jan 7, 2012 8:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Your thoughts?
Definitely not mine
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 9:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just say No to Flynn
Did you watch the Packers-Lions game? He looked like Matt Cassel with checkdowns & screen passes going for big yards. Add to that his slow delivery & lack of mobility.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yeah, not sold on Flynn.
I guess we could do worse. He had impressive numbers for a game. But I’m not wowed by his footwork or his release.
That said, if we get him and he ends up being “the guy” – I’ll pull as hard for him to succeed as I will anyone else that ends up starting for us. But I think we can do better.
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Kyle Orton
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Orton while we develop someone.
Maybe Stanzi will be that guy? Maybe someone we draft this year?
Flynn feels a lot more like a Kolb to me.
YMMV
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Your Mileage May Vary
Pretty common internet lingo in use for 15+ years that I know of personally.
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It's early....I'm not completely up on abbreviation lingo...not enough coffee yet
;-)
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*perk*
coffee?!? :-)
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I've long maintained that enemies of the US are doing it wrong
And that if they want to completely defeat the US armed forces, they just need to find a way to completely cut off our coffee supply.
That’ll slow things to a stop.
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Oh, that would be cruel & unusual punishment...
would bring us to our knees!
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If Philbin came in and brought Flynn
I would feel better about it. The guy has seen more of him than anyone else so that would say a lot.
Not saying I want or would be excited by either though. Don’t know enough about either other than Flynn hasn’t started much and Philbin doesn’t call plays.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
My inner Adam Tiecher wonders if that isn't the point of this whole Head Coach Interview exercise.
Get intel on Romeo’s staff…
-Philbin: Make him ass’t HC/OC, give him full playcalling duties, maybe coach-in-waiting…? Bring Flynn/intel on Flynn.
-Del Rio: MAYBE as DC, more likely to obtain info on his two coordinators (especially Tucker, who has worked with RAC previously but not Pioli). Perhaps Tucker is in line for DC/coach-in-waiting? Or Koetter as OC? When he has an even HALFWAY decent quarterback, his offenses are solid to good. Look at what he did two years’ back with Silky Gerrard, MJD, an average-to-better offensive line and TE and no wideouts.
My inner Tiecher feels like Pioli is doing his whole “interview the janitor” thing here, rather than actually looking to hire (especially with regard to Del Rio. Head Coach? Really? After just breaking up with Haley, you’d bring in another know-everything hothead?).
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
Your inner Teicher may have some good points.
It’ll be pretty interesting to see how it all plays out.
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I’m curious to read what others think of Del Rio here, whether as DC (HC in waiting) or HC? Has he coached a 3-4?
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Was it confirmed that Del Rio interviewed for the head coaching job?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't read the full Star article, but the lead-in says Del Rio joined the list of
candidates who interviewed for the HC job…
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Ah, just curious
When I saw his name linked to the chiefs, I immediately fell asleep and didn’t read why he was linked :-)
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 7, 2012 9:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/chiefs-interview-jack-del-rio/
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
That prediction by Sporting News is
very interesting….my, how DID they know?
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