5 Keys to the Kansas City Chiefs' Off-Season
A simple mind will examine an NFL season with a three game regression from the one prior to it and stamp it with a mark of disappointment, but nothing is that easy in football.
A year ago today, the Kansas City Chiefs were preparing to host a Wild Card Round game against the upset-minded Baltimore Ravens – their prize for winning ten games and the AFC West crown.
Today, the stakes are much different, as the Chiefs will witness the playoffs from the comforts of their couches, and the win total dipped to just seven. But not all was lost during the 2011 campaign.
The Chiefs played with a deck stacked tall against them for nearly the entire season due to injuries to three uber-critical young players: RB Jamaal Charles, S Eric Berry and TE Tony Moeaki. Injuries are as much a part of football as first downs these days, but the string of season-ending blows to star players suffered by the Chiefs was unparalleled in the NFL this year. Throw in the mid-season injury to QB Matt Cassel, and you can understand why so many Chiefs fans were left to play the "what if?" game throughout the year.
A head coaching change took place too, and another one could soon follow. Todd Haley was ousted, and Romeo Crennel was inserted as the interim man for the job. Crennel orchestrated two wins in his three tries as the head coach, including a stunning upset of the previously undefeated Green Bay Packers and a season-ending win over the hated Broncos.
Crennel has the unabashed support of his players, and it was clear they responded to his promotion with inspired play. Other names have been floated as possible full-time replacements for Haley, but Crennel appears to hold the inside track on the job.
There’s no timetable for the decision to be made, but Chiefs fans are hoping for an as-soon-as-possible announcement to afford the new head coach ample time to fully stock his cabinet of assistant coaches. Depending on who is appointed the new head coach, there could be a number of decisions to be made regarding his staff. Reports indicate that current offensive coordinator Bill Muir will head to retirement, and if Crennel takes the lead job, that will mean both coordinator spots need to be filled.
The truth of the Chiefs’ situation right now is that much of it is filled with speculation and rumors. There’s much that those on the outside don’t know, but plenty that we saw from to suggest 2012 will bring better days.
Training camp is yet nearly seven months away, but here are 5 keys to the Kansas City Chiefs’ off-season:
1. Find the Right Leader: At the forefront of any sustained success in the NFL is a quality head coach, and one that the players believe in. Romeo Crennel, albeit in a three game stretch, seemed to be the kind of man the players believed in. RAC isn't the only choice to become the next head coach for the Chiefs - other quality candidates may have already been/will be interviewed - but as far as candidates that we know are in the running, Crennel qualifies as a front-running choice. Whomever the head coach is, it's apparent he needs to develop his message and program early to build on the momentum created at the end of the 2011 season. The Chiefs will be in the mix for the AFC West championship next year, and finding the right head coach will be the ultimate tone-setter on that quest.
2. Cassel or Orton: Probably the most complicated question for the Chiefs heading into 2012 is how to handle the starting quarterback position. Matt Cassel is one of the franchise's prominent investments, and let's not forget the way he played during the 2010 season. Kyle Orton, meanwhile, injected life into a hapless offense this season as the replacement for an injured Cassel and struggling (that's being kind) Tyler Palko. It was clear that the players respected Orton, as did Romeo Crennel. The Chiefs probably cannot afford to keep both players, and Cassel is the only one right now with a contract. The question becomes whether the Chiefs attempt to trade or unload Cassel in favor of Orton, or stay on course with Cassel and let Orton be on his way. As much as some want to suggest Orton is the right choice based off of his three game sample size, it's naïve to not properly examine both players' complete body of work. A decision may not be made until closer to the commencement of free agency, but it's a situation all eyes will follow closely.
3. Pass Rush Development: Tamba Hali was rightfully elected to the Pro Bowl in 2011, and Chiefs fans are hopeful it is the first of many due selections of his career. The role Hali has on the Chiefs' defense is undeniable - he's the first player any quarterback spots before the snap, and a guy whose physical ability can overcome any scheme an offense devises to stop him. What is imperative for the Chiefs this offseason is to build on the complimentary pass rush that was kick started by impressive rookie backer Justin Houston. Houston had 5.5 sacks on the season, including 1.5 in the season finale, and an improved Houston would mean a vaunted pass rush. The Chiefs already have a strong secondary which will vastly improve with Eric Berry's return, and LB Derrick Johnson improves their pass defense exponentially. If the Chiefs can further develop the pass rush, that will render them an incredibly difficult defense to pass against, and a nightmare for opponents to play. With Berry back in the fold, the Chiefs may look to blitz more in 2012, and pressure could be a focal point of this defense. Should Houston materialize into the double-digit sacker some foresee him to be, watch out.
4. Veteran Presence on Offense: Casey Wiegmann may well retire, and veteran RB Thomas Jones may well be on the way out in Kansas City (his contract has expired), and that means the Chiefs will once again find themselves with a heckuva young offensive huddle. There are holes on offense that need to be filled - with a veteran or otherwise - but the Chiefs must maintain some leadership by bringing in an experienced player who can continue to further the maturation process within the huddle. It's too early in the process of free agency to identify idyllic candidates, but Jones and Wiegmann had very much the impact two years ago that they will need again this off-season.
5. Prioritize Free Agents: Two players that everyone knows will be free agents this off-season are Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Carr. Depending on what school of thought you're from, you likely have a preferred order of which potential contract the Chiefs tend to first - assuming they're interested in keeping both. The logical starting point is Carr, as he's blossomed into more than just a complimentary piece to Brandon Flowers - he's a stud. Carr may be the Chiefs' physically strongest player pound-for-pound, and he improved as a lateral athlete this season, leading to another strong effort in the passes defensed department. There are a few remaining holes in his game that must be addressed, but you love to see players evolve from a year-to-year basis, and Carr is a prime example of just that. Bowe has certainly grown from the first day he arrived at 1 Arrowhead Drive, and the Chiefs must make a decision on a receiver who may carry a hefty price tag. We've seen enough receivers fall short on expectations after signing expensive contracts to know that there is some risk involved, but Bowe is a player whose importance to the Chiefs' offense is understood. Beyond Bowe and Carr, the Chiefs must continue to look into the next tier of free agents (note: the decision on Kyle Orton falls into a different free agent category in my eyes), and how they can improve on building the "right 53."
2011 didn't end the way that Chiefs fans may have wanted, but this team is an early contender to bounce back and be amongst the league's most improved next season. Count on the Chiefs playing for an AFC West title in 2012.
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the key to the off season is a new qb
neither cassell or orton should even be considered to be on the team next year
ttrade our pick and bowe for the 2nd pick and draft rgIII
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
not sure our 1st pick plus bowe
Is enough to move up to get him…
by TheScreenName on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
rams need weapons
bowe is a sure thing him and bradford together would be great
youd probably have to throw in a 2 and a 4 to get it done
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 6, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
True...
I wonder… if RGIII blows up the combine do you think that we could give up less to get Bradford?
I would give Cassel, Bowe, and a 3rd this year or next years 2nd for Bradford
Bradfords contract would eat most of the cap space
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If it means we have a real QB...
It would be worth it.
by MrCCG on Jan 6, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It would eat up a lot of the Rams cap due to the huge bonus
I don’t think they really can move Bradford
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
we can always draft a mid round QB
like that QB from wisconsin
or…weeden…
throw in Dorsey
with Bowe and the pick for the rams 1st rounder and another of their pick. Fisher could still get a good OL with our pick and we could have our franchise. You can find another actual 3-4 D player and good wr easier than a franchise QB even though i personally like both Bowe and Dorsey and loved drafting both.
Get rid of Bowe????
There’s no logical reason to part ways with Bowe in order to get RGIII…drafting a QB that high is way too much of a risk. We know what we have in Bowe, and Cassel and Orton have proven he’s good enough for them to throw it his way. We need to work on protecting a QB, then worry about getting the QBOTF.
Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.
by crazychiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
IF Bowe wants to stay, and can be signed for a good amount then yes keep him
IF he wants too much money/wants to leave.. get a lot for him.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
This
The key is figuring out whether or not he’s going to ask for a reasonable amount. If it totally defies all reason (like 12 million a year), then franchise him and trade him.
I’d rather just re-sign the guy, but make sure you don’t let him walk for free.
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I don't see giving him top 3 money
Especially after the contract Fitz got, I would love to keep him, but I’m not letting him go for nothing.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand the sense either.
Let’s just trade away our only receiver with 1000+ yards and one 995 yard season and get another unproven player. Yep, let’s develop our players to become the best they can be and trade them away to be superstars elsewhere.
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by NJChieffan16 on Jan 6, 2012 12:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So far,
that hasn’t worked across the street at Kaufmann.
Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.
by crazychiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haven't you heard?
we can get McHoodie AND Lloyd … on sale, a two-for-one special
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The scary thing is
if Pioli did hire McDaniels and then got Lloyd cheap, trading Bowe could enter his mind. Especially since we don’t know what Bowe is asking for. Pioli has been pretty good to extend guys, but for the most part those deals were pretty team friendly. The fact that neither Bowe nor Carr was extended before now may signal that both want what Pioli considers outragious money and one will go. You have to think they franchise Bowe, and then if McD and Lloyd wind up here, you could see throwing money at Carr and trading the rights to Bowe to someone willing to pay him…
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my thoughts exactly
One touchdown drop and a bunch of people want you traded along with a 1st round pick for an unproven 210 dripping wet QB to play behind an inconsistent offensive line that has to face the AFC North next season.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 6, 2012 1:45 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
not nearly as many as he's hadspectacular TD catches
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yes he had spectacular td catches... but
he also cost us alot of potential td drives with all of his screen drops and hook drops and in route drops…. hes shut down alot of our drives with inconsistency. Yes he makes spectacular catches but i think his inconsistency out weighs his rewards. But he is still a descent receiver i just dont see throwing out big money to him.
by supdupdadcoop on Jan 6, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
he also cost us alot of potential td drives with all of his screen drops and hook drops and in route drops…. hes shut down alot of our drives with inconsistency.
Ballpark… how many drops do you think Bowe had this year? And in what situations?
I’ll give you a hint: Bowe has EXTENDED way, way, way, way more drives than he’s “shut down”
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I still believe we would have had better oppurtunities to score more points if he would have been more consistent.. obviously he did big things in some situations when needed and cannot be the only one faulted for our repeated 3 and outs. I just dont think hes worth a big number 1’s contract.
by supdupdadcoop on Jan 6, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
i only count like 3 drops this season
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 7, 2012 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
QB?
I disagree (after serious research!) Orton is a serious upgrade over Cassel. The cost of trading up is too steep THIS YEAR! Sign Orton, Bowe, and Carr. Draft a RT, NT, RB, and depth. After the draft, trade Dorsey. After camp opens, trade Cassel. If we have sufficient depth at OLB, trade Studebaker. Stockpile draft picks. Trade up NEXT YEAR!
I would keep STude
Still good depth at SOLB, and IMO he might be a good fit at SILB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
No way we get anything for Studebaker
He is a quality OLB backup at best.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't Forget
we got Stanzi on the back burner waiting to take the reigns!!!!
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
haha
you’re probably right.. unforunately
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
Didn't you hear?
Haley got fired. He was a Kyle Orton injury away from starting the last three games.
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I see
stanzi used to play football..then he got an orton to the knee
was that the rumor
going around here??!! ha, yeah. Maybe in training camp he will ride in on his horse waving the American flag demanding to start.
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
Rumor?
First thing RAC did was drop Palko to #3 on the depth chart, which was better than he deserved.
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I know..
I’m just messing. Of course I knew what happened.That was one of the best decisions all year (Benching Palko)
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Don't forget what happened without a serviceable backup QB this year.
I for one am all about keeping Orton or Cassel, drafting a QB and having a camp of it. Thing is, Cassel has never had to fight for that starting position. And this year proved what happens when your backup in named Palko.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel still won't have to compete for the job as long as Pioli is here.
Unless he shows us something different this coming year.
You really believe Pioli is so stuck on Cassel that he would refuse to find/have a competition for the QB position?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think we had so many holes when Pioli arrived (and were so slow) that Pioli had to prioritize.
We did win the division in 2010 with Cassel.
No he’s not our future. But I don’t think Pioli is going to anchor his ship regardless, on Cassel. He has a team friendly final contract (now). Getting a franchise qb, before, that would have gotten killed, wouldn’t have helped us. And in 2009, who who would you have drafted?
Cassel served a purpose. He’s fine as our backup. We are at a point, now or next year, to finally get the QB.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Tamba Hali turns invisible at midnight and worships satan out on my lawn. He's there ,but I can't see him.
I believe this until proven otherwise.
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by TRSChief on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If KC is going to trade up in the draft for a QB
they should go all the way to #1 and get Luck. Trade Dorsey, Cassel our 2012 #1, 2013 #2 and 2014 #1 and go get the QBOTF. Look what the Raiders gave up for Palmer. I would be willing to give up high draft choices for the next 3 years to have 15 years of good QB play.
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
I wonder if they'd laugh at Cassel, Dorsey and two 1s?
maybe even Cassel, Dorsey, 1 and 2 this year and 1 in ’13…
sooner or later, God'll cut you down...
What are the Colts gonna do with a 34 DE?
He tried the 43 DT and that didn’t work out at all.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 6, 2012 1:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And wasn't even playing the right position in a 4-3
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
If Indy does trade the pick it will be the biggest trade ever
Some team may offer more than that. Either way Indy lucks into a multi year bonanza for coming in last. The NFL needs the NBA ping pong ball system.
by paulredfish on Jan 6, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why the fuck would we do that?
Trade a 1st pick and a proven pro bowl WR for an unproven QB. Trade a 2nd and a 1st maybe, but not a pro bowl WR. The Rams don’t have a need so huge that they’d ask us to give up a franchise WR to move 8 spots back. That’s idiotic. I apologize if I sound mean, but people have really been disrespecting Bowe lately.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 6, 2012 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
come on, man ... WR's are a dime a dozen, right?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
So you think RG3 can come in right away in a new system and play better than Cassel and Orton?
Having a new QB only set us back at least a year maybe two. We should keep who we have let them battle it out for the starting job and keep developing Stanzi.
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it's a valid question
but, I think the success of several of the rookies this year give some hope that a talented QB can get up to speed quickly.
I also point to the fact that Orton came in, and relatively quickly, played as well (actually, probably better) than the established guy
I know we need a better QB, but I'm wooried about how long we can keep this team together without losing some of it's key players, Hell we could lose Carr and Bowe this year.
So I’m torn between wanting to draft a QB and keeping who we have and hoping for the best. I do think with a improved defense and a solid o-line that Cassel or Orton could get the job done with a ball control scheme. This team is running out of time especially when we keep changing this up year after year. It just seems like great teams stick with the plan until it works and that most teams that win the S.B have had the same system and coaches for years. It sucks period.
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good points
I agree that Cassel or Orton could win 10-11 games with a good OL and a healthy JC/Moeaki.
Keeping the team together HAS to be a big priority… that’s why I’m cautiously optimistic that Bowe and Carr will be back… McClain too.
build through the draft… but pay your own players… the Royals have only done half of that, so they struggle every year.
hopefully, the Chiefs can continue their positive momentum by building on who they have… instead of looking for replacements
if i thought
they were even remotely interested in developing stanzi id be for that but they are not.
I'm not sure we should baselessly ignore Orton....
We want to crown Crennel head coach based on three games while ignoring his last stop, but we don’t even want to consider Orton’s three games because of his past?
I saw enough out of Orton to show he’s already an improvement over Cassel. Now I’d like to see what he can do with a real coordinator, a top running back, Moeaki back, a whole off-season to know and grow with the offense and to develop chemistry with the receivers.
O, he won’t be an elite QB, but above average could still get us to the SB….after all, if a quality backup QB could lead us to 10-6, the AFC West crown and a playoff game, it is reasonable to expect a better QB to lead the team even farther.
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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel or Orton?
That’s depressing. I’m actually hoping by some miracle that we can get a good QB.
If mediocrity is the best I can look forward to next year…it’s going to be a long ass offseason.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Stanzi
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It is depressing
however the o-line has had much to do with Cassel’s problems earlier this year. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a franchise qb though,.. not even a Brady or Brees,.. justa solid guy like Schaub or even Phyllis
Upset minded Ravens
Do you actually think Baltimore was ‘upset minded’ last year? Hahaha.
by Doyle Brunson on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
How is #3 even in here?
That’s not something for the offseason. We don’t need to make any major changes in the pass rush positions specifically. This is just something to watch next season.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
These were "keys" to the offseason, not "moves that the front office should make"
Off-season development is a pretty important part of improving your team. Guys finishing rehab and rejoining the team is important too. These are all things that are part of the offseason.
Just because all the other ones are front-office moves, that doesn’t mean #3 doesn’t belong.
Franchise Quarterback
Not Cassel. Not Orton.
Nothing else matters.
The other things still matter...
just not if we ever want to win the Superbowl
Show us how it's done
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The key is fixing the OL & DL
We need to hit on 3 positions: NT, OG, RT. we do that, the team is drastically improved. Hopefully Mimms has developed enough to step in to eliminate one of our 3 biggest needs.
QB?
Hopefully Mimms has developed enough to step in to eliminate one of our 3 biggest needs.
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QB is the #1 need, BUT...
We need to be realists. We’re ot getting a new QB. One isn’t coming in the draft or in free agency. So that’s off my list. We know what a solid OL does for Cassel. He’s serviceable with the right guys in front of him.
by Larryemcdaniel on Jan 6, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
That was mostly a Mims joke.
But I would be fine with Orton for a year or two, while they hopefully find a QBOTF. I’m less fine with Cassel in the same role.
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Agreed.
Cassel didn’t run the offense or move the ball like Orton did after just 3 weeks…and Cassel had been with them for 3 yrs.
Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.
by crazychiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, that's not true
Cassel has had some pretty good moments against some really bad defenses also. Clearly the guy can be successful, because he has been, in two of four seasons starting. But I do believe Orton would be far more successful with the amount of talent we have on this offense.
Even still though, it’s hard to say how much of the limitations were on Haley and his apparent lack of clear game planning and zero inspiration of confidence. Weis at least had Cassel looking like a pro-bowl substitute.
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Some pretty good moments
But in his tenure he had one 3 game stretch that matched Orton’s first 3 games in terms of passing yards. So in 2.5 years, he couldn’t repeat that.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Works both ways
didn’t Cassel have a three game stretch last season where he threw 8 or 9 TD’s and no INT’s?
Has Orton ever come close to that?
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Dwayne Bowe, Jamaal Charles, and Tony Moeaki
Had Cassel looking like a pro bowl substitute
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Yep
The can go at it in training camp, with the better of the two winning the position (Orton) and the loser being backup (Cassel).
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think you’re realist comment should apply to your idea of Mimms, too. Do you really expect an UDFA to start over a guy who is average after one season on the PS? It took Richardson (a 6th round pick) two years before he could replace the RT, and that was with below average guys like McIntosh and O’Callaghan.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
yeah, it'd be a surprise (albeit a good surprise)
this team seems slow about replacing players on the OL… so we’ll see
I was bent a realist. I said hopefully
Doubt it happens, but it’s good to have hope…
by Larryemcdaniel on Jan 6, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder, can our offense function without a QB?
Can we just have 6 RBs and hammer away at the defense?
The Broncos are already doing this
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't care who the QB is...
you’re screwed if you can’t protect him. We need O-line help – bad! Take a look at St Louis… what has their 1st round QB done for them. When he’s not hurt, he doesn’t have time to find a receiver. O-LINE HELP IS WHAT THE CHIEFS NEED!
we could draft the entire wisconsin O-Line
or hire 600 pound sumos to protect the QB
why would we need that when we have Mims? ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Our pass blocking really wasn't THAT bad this year
Orton was sacked once in three games.
Where our line struggles is with “push” as the field shortens or on 3rd and short situations.
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I think the obvious has been stated and restated many times, including this post, but what it seems some are overlooking is this ...
the #1 priority, as outlined above, is the first and most important of all … because everything else is dependent on that HC choice … especially the decisions that need to be addressed in terms of #2 and #3 … those are wholly dependent on the choice made at #1
think of it as lining up dominoes … what pattern do you want to see emerge as the dominoes fall over, one hitting another? the pattern is dependent on how you lay out the dominoes to begin with … and where your starting point is, and how many divergent or convergent lines of dominoes you have going, etc
does the new HC value continuity over change? does the new HC prefer a 3-4 or a 4-3? does the new HC have a clue about Cassel, much less Orton, and did Orton’s seemingly easy transition of working with Bowe, et al, actually make him someone preferable to Cassel (or anyone else available)
does the new HC prefer a “quick strike” offense or a “ball control” a la Marty? E-P or West Coast? offense of defense? everything, and I mean EVERYTHING … from schemes to personnel … depends on the viewpoint of the new HC and the assistants under his direction
my own personal preference is Crennel, but I’m not the one who makes that decision … all I can say is this: Scott Pioli has only one chance left to get it right
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by upamtn on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good points, but...
I seriously doubt Pioli is going to hire a HC that’s going to change things very much.
Whether that helps us or hurts us in the long run, is what remains to be seen.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I prefer the 9-2 defense
everybody up to the line and bum rush the QB
have flowers and carr cover the WR
I still think adding someone to the D-Line
who can add pressure is an underrated need. I think it might be difficult for people to imagine, but if there was a presence there it would do something not very many teams would have. There are a few teams that can say they have 2 or maybe even 3 players in the front 7 who are legitametly disruptive to the quarterback or even that they have 2 linebackers that are. But imagine the havoc Houston and Hali could wreak if a force was added to the D-line. Then, I am confident there is not another team in the league that could say they had quarterback disruptive players at all positions on defense. By that I mean Hali and Houston at LB, the D-lineman, Arenas at CB, and Berry at Safety. That means that a legitamate threat on the blitz, based off talent alone rather than mere surprise, could be provided by 5 of the 11 players on defense at any one time.
pretty simple list
- Crennel and McD
- sign Bowe, Carr, McClain and maybe Gilberry
- get at least 1 new G/C and 1 new OT
- work on the depth at Safety
stag, I agree with you a lot of things, and I truly respect your knowledge and opinions
but I abhor the idea of McHoodie, and that’s not based (solely) on principle
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I'd honestly have no problem with McDaniels for OC
Dude knows his shit, is very passionate, and will not be in a position to completely fuck this team over with lousy talent evaluations.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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had a long back and forth with ept_stl the other day (Chiefs fan living in StL)
he was going thru the lintany of how McHoodie ruined everything he touched with the Rams in 2011 … the scheme, his unbending style, etc etc
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Will have to find that...
But I do know he also said Breaston has had about as much of an impact as Chambers had, so already I’m questioning his points.
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Which I now find that he has since retracted
But I do know he also said Breaston has had about as much of an impact as Chambers had, so already I’m questioning his points.
My bad etp, if you’re out there :-)
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I'd show you the thread where ept and I had our back and forth) but it's been pulled down
but ept said he spent countless (painful) hours watching the Rams offense (or what was supposed to be an offense) and listed about half dozen things that McHoodie did that were just egregious overall mistakes
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But he was trying to install a new offense there
On a team without much offensive talent past QB… He’s worked under Pioli before, has a great relationship with him, and Pioli knows what he is and what he brings to the table. He’s also the best chance we have of seeing Cassel excel, and since it looks a lot like we’re stuck with Cassel, that alone may be the deal-maker…
sooner or later, God'll cut you down...
they HAD a pretty successful 1st year offense in 2010 ... surprised a lot of people, Bradford looked good
But he was trying to install a new offense there
why screw up a good thing just for the sake of change? is THAT the kind of inflexible, narrow-minded rigidity you want in a coach … that he’s so wrapped up in his own scheme that he can’t see the best thing to do for the players or situations he has MIGHT be something different?
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Sounds like Haley all over again.
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Well....
I am not a huge McHoodie fan… just accepting my fate, like I’m on Death Row and out of appeals (or Suge Night is holding me over a balcony)
Anyway, I think he is a smart Offensive mind… but just got ahead of himself…
I wish there were a better option, but I’m not sure who that would be
"the string of season-ending blows to star players suffered by the Chiefs was unparalleled in the NFL this year."
The Houston Texans disagree.
... and the Giants
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thank you :)
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Nice post
I agree with every point, hopefully Pioli does too
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
there's nothing TO disagree with ... it's a strightforward and generic "get it right so we don't fail" bit
no personal opinions, no names or preferences really … totally non-controversial blip
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Joel doesn't do posts ... he's a journalist
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With the occasional opinion sprinkled in here and there.
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too bad we can't "win the turnover battle" during the offseason
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
5 keys to offseason
1- Pay Bowe
2- Pay Carr
3- Cut Cassel
4- Draft the Dread
5- Send Clark back to Dallas for good
I understand all the Cassel Hate. And I'm sure not one to defend him...
But haven’t we seen enough of what happens when you don’t have a serviceable backup? I can’t see cutting Cassel. It’s just not pragmatic.
I’m one for wanting, desperately, a QBotF. But I’m not one for dumping a serviceable backup, which is what Cassel is.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Uhm... I didn't do that (double post/double post)... damn internet gremlins.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
OOOOHkay that was just on my scree. So strange....
yup, now it seems I’m having a non-sequitur conversation with myself.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
Orton is way better than Cassel. And I'd keep him as the backup IF we had someone who really was going to be the QB of the future.
But I don’t see us getting Luck or RGIII and beyond that who?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
We won't be getting the QBOTF in this draft
For all the talk of this being a deep QB class, I think only two could start from day 1 (Luck and RG3). The others (Tannehill, Foles, Keenum, Moore) all need time to develop. If anything, I see Pioli going for Foles or Cousins, and I’m not sure either is a big upgrade over Orton. He could maybe go for Wilson if he’s still there in the 5th round. Despite all the talk about how short he is, Wilson makes plays in a pro-style offense and puts the ball on the money.
We're paying Cassel way too much to be a backup...
and I doubt his ego will allow him to be a backup for very long.
Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.
by crazychiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't get paid that much anymore.
And his ego will allow him to be a backup when he has no other choice.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
I feel Cassel was brought in cuz he was able to (and had maybe the potential to be more) anchor the QB
spot while we dealt with ALL the hoies plaguing the team when Pioli first arrived. That has changed.
Cassel has proven he’s not the QBotF. So we go out and get one, or we fix the OL and then get one. Either way I don’t think Pioli is so stuck on Cassel that he won’t get what’s best.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with what you are saying but not convinced of your last sentence.
I still remember Haley sticking with Palco and appeared to me that he was sticking it to Pioli due to being forced to use Cassel. I could very well be wrong and hope I am. I just can’t for the life of me figure out any other reason Haley would have done such a thing. However, I am glad Haley is gone.
I agree that Haley seemed to be obdurately sticking with Palko just to give the finger to Pioli.
But I feel like it didn’t have to do as much with Cassel as with other things (his job for instance).
But I’m no fly on the wall
Time will tell.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 6, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Remember.
This is a guy who was a backup his entire career in college. His ego didn’t cause him to transfer to another school.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
I'm kinda hoping
that he’s fighting for a backup job. But, maybe you’re right, I’d be fine with him as a backup. He’s proven that he’s not good enough to be our starter.
Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.
by crazychiefsfan on Jan 6, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Your right. Cassel is a great backup
He is a good team guy as well.
by paulredfish on Jan 6, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who is the Dread? RG3?
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My take on the 5 keys:
1. Find the Right Leader: Crennel – Easiest choice due to desire to maintain continuity and keep any progress in tact. – (TBD)
2. Cassel or Orton: How about neither. A third option is to trade up and draft a QBoF or dip into FA for an upgrade. Pioli will have options but will have to see how it plays out as he can’r control all the variables as they occur. For now, either will hold down the position for a QBoF. Man left standing after we make a run at getting Orton to stay. – (TBD)
3. Pass Rush Development: Don’t see it happening with talent on hand. Gregg was not all that steadfast in the middle and only occasionaly caved in the pocket. TJax did a fair job and did take a double team at times, improved against the run but is still progressing as a pass rusher. Dorsey regressed as a pass rusher to a “non-factor”, nil, nada, zilch. Can we afford his lack of contribution to 50% of the Defense to gain his outstanding effort in the run game. With Dorsey as part of our Base 3-4, we find Crennel having to stray from our Base D at least half the time. Dorsey contributes little as pass rusher in or out of the Base 3-4. As often as he sees one on one he should accidently run into the QB several times more than his sack total. Sub packages have done a little better at providing pressure but we still need better push. It would help disguise schemes if our Base DE offered more threat to disrupt a pass play. More quickness on Line in Nickel and Dime fronts would help as well. Need a NT and DE. Question is Draft or FA and what to do with Dorsey? – (TBD)
4. Veteran Presence on Offense: With as many spots that need upgrades on our Offense, it is only logical that FAs will play a big role here. The draft cannot realistically fill all the areas of need. Those are: OT to replace BRich and allow him to become a valuable swing man or go the way of FA, OG to provide more power than Lilja can provide, Backup OC when Hudson moves to that spot, TE to compliment Moeaki and provide quality depth that Pope and O’Connell have not, RB to compliment JC and take half the load providing near the threat and a WR if we lose or choose not to resign Bowe. – (TBD)
5. Prioritize Free Agents: We need to UpGrade ten spots either Starters or Backups (OT, OG, OC, QB, TE, WR, RB, DB, DE, NT). We must make sure that FA signees and Drafted players add an upgrade over what is lost.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
You may have left out Key number 6
No McHoodie in KC regardless of position.
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM CST reply actions
A key one that was left out is
2nd year development by rookies. We need Baldwin to become a threat to defensive coordinators to have a complete offense. We need Hudson to add toughness and consistency to the inside of the line. We need Houston to continue to progress as a pass rusher and defender.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 6, 2012 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
and
Powe to takeover the starting NT job
and Bailey to continue his progression on the DL
and Brown to develop into a CB that could start some games if needed
and Bannon… well… that’s a long sot
but, most of all, it’d be SWEET if Stanzi develops into a contributing QB
Great point.
Pioli needs to reclaim his super talent evaluator rep.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
catchief
you do realize in a 3 4 dorsey’s job isnt to rush the passer..there was just an article about dorsey and the great year he had..im tired of hearing the crap about dorsey he does his job well in the 34 scheme..get over it already tamba and dj greatly benefited from dorseys play
by arrowheadsoldier56 on Jan 6, 2012 2:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
No he didn't do a "great job," unless you're talking ONLY about run defense
And it’s wrong to say he never has to rush the passer. He was asked to rush the passer 244 times this year, and had 2 pressures and 2 QB hits.
I watched mutliple snaps of him rushing the passer, and he was not doing much to help us in those situations.
Nor was Dorsey eating multiple double teams that benefited Tamba and DJ, at least based on the snaps I watched. Maybe I missed it, but I watched roughly 1/4 of the snaps he played…
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oh … never mind :-)
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Maybe.......Just maybe
we go after Jason CampBell
Where you hear this?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
At the Pizza Shoppe?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 6, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
My 5 keys
1- Find a coach who doesn’t change things up and keeps R.Creenel as D.C if he isn’t the H.C.
2- Draft a OT and OG in the first 3 picks, this alone will help Orton or Cassel.
3- sign Bowe and Carr we need them.
4- draft to fill holes and continue to build talent from within, not reach on a hope and a prayer in the draft.
5- Continue to develop Stanzi next year for the starting job 2013.
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Carr
I may be the only one in KC that thinks keeping Carr is more important than signing Bowe. If you look at the way this team can play with Flowers and Carr playng man-on-man coverage, we have one helluva D
And without Bowe, our offense disappeared
Okay, it was without Bowe, JC, Tony Mo, a viable powerback that could be on the field at the same time as McClain, and a franchise QB… The point is, the Chiefs have enough cap space to sign both of these guys as long as they aren’t asking for money disproportionate to their production. it might be easier to sign Bowe since there are a number of solid WR hitting free agency, which will keep the bidding down. Carr on the other hand, will likely get paid more than he’s really worth since there are fewer DBs hitting FA. That being the case, I think they’ll sign Bowe and franchise Carr if they want to keep both.
I agree
I’m more for keeping Carr. I just think we could get more if we trade Bowe. I like Bowe a lot and he does a lot for this offense. However I get the feeling he wants a change in scenery. This is just a feeling guys I really have no clue. I also feel like we have a possible replacement for him in Baldwin. Baldwin has all the tools Bowe does. Just needs more time. Add a receiver in free agency and get line help and we will be fine. Having 2 great corners is more important to me in the end.
by Brandt34 on Jan 6, 2012 3:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope so
thought they should have signed both earlier in he year before the goonies are out(i.e. the Eagles, Raiders). Should have had these guys in already but then again who knows what goes on within that Kremlin we call 1Arrowhead Drive
Chiefs 30 mill under cap
they can afford to pay both QBs totally disagree with that statement Cassel toward end of his contract not paying him much money now. Cassel avg salary now ranges from 5 to 7 mill next 3 seasons.
I don't get the 30 mil number people keep throwing out there
People said that was the number BEFORE Hali and Flowers and Succop and Breaston got paid. How could it be the same now?
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MAGIC!
I mean … “creative accounting”
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Aren't those the same thing?
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It's the same cause we are lazy?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Now that i can believe
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Mims said it's 30 Million.

You’ll never see him coming:P
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FIX THE O-LINE
Fix the o-line then you could put any QB behind a great line an make them look good! Hmmmmmmm does anybody remember a guy named Trent Green? Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Casey Wiegmann, Will Shields, & John Tait hell any qb would of loved to play behind that line, shoot that line made Derrick Blaylock look like a stud!!!!
The past is the past, so believe now
by Kciechiefsfan31984 on Jan 6, 2012 4:32 PM CST reply actions
We could draft an O-linemen in the first two rounds every year for the next decade
And still not have a line that good.
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For the next decade we draft Oline in rounds 3-7
Then we have an outstanding Oline
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 7, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions
My 6 keys:
1.) Hire Romoe as HC, bring in Manusky as DC. Look what he did in both SF & SD.
2.) Sign Bowe. Another summer working w/ L. Fitzgerald, he could be our version of Fitzgerald.
3.) Draft LT. I like Kailil from USC, but I don’t think he’s going to be there when we draft. The latest word in the draft room is the Minnesota have their eyes on him with the 3rd pick, I also like Standford LT Martin ( if he enter the draft) So the OL would look like this Kailil or Martin, Albert or Ashoma, Hudson, Ashoma or Lijia, Albert or Richardson. Wiegmann could be a player/ coach like Mike Webster did for us when we drafted Tim Grunnard. Will Shields & Wiegmann as OL coaches.
4.) PRODUCTIVITY FROM THE DL. via FA or draft take look at Seattle R Brock or Mebane.
5.) TE. We need to add another TE, I was hoping the Tony G would comeback home ( Arrowhead) for 1 season then he could retire as a Chief.
6.) Quality depth in DB. I like the way (#23) Lewis played against Denver. I do miss that hard hitting Safety that could drop down in the box to help stop the RB.
Here's your trade
Cassel, Bowe, Hali, Charles to Indianapolis for the first draft choice. They need them all if Manning returns from the neck injury. Take Luck; keep Orton. Using the remaining cap room to draft/hire offensive linemen. If Manning does not return, forget it.
If they trade Hali, Bowe, and Charles
I will freak out.
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We don't need no stinkin' defense,
or passing threat, or running game.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 6, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly can't believe
All of the “that QB is unproven” or “taking QBs that high is way too risky” comments I see on here.
EVERY QB is unproven when coming from college. In a situation like that you have to look at the risk vs reward factor. Sure taking someone like RG3 or even Luck that high is risky, but if he works out you are set for at least a decade.
What’s the worst that could happen? We get set back a year and then continually get better. That’s better then all these meaningless seasons with mediocre QBs that we have been put through for how long now?
I understand that there’s alot of holes on our team that need to be addressed but the fact is to be an elite team in the NFL you need an elite QB. It’s about time we get ours.
by JBeezy716 on Jan 6, 2012 11:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
6. upgrade the o line
and i dont care how you do it. just do it.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Bowe for Bradford?
If we trade Bowe for Bradford who the hell will Bradford have to throw the ball to? I think Stanzi will develop into a great QB.




























