Rams have told Josh McDaniels they won't hold him to his contract. If he wants to leave, they'll let him.
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Why wouldn't he go to New England?
Brady over Cassel. No brainer, it would seem.
by ChiefConcern on Jan 6, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Chance to be a head coach in KC
Pioli wants him but can’t sell him to the fans. RAC only has maybe 4 or 5 years left. Bill isn’t leaving New England any time soon
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I don't like him.....as the HC
Don’t have an opinion either way as OC. The offense couldn’t get much worse and he’s had success with Cassel….and it’s very possible that Cassel is our QB next year.
Most of the fans that would be pissed only think he sucks because of the personnel decisions he made in Denver. He won’t have that control here.
Twitter - @bkissel7
his record
is pretty awful. also, his face.
Tony Richardson, we hardly knew ye...
by LaPointer on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually don't know how you could do worse than now.
Oh wait, it happened in St. Louis with him there….
huh…
Easier to sell an assistant than a head coach
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Selling an OC to the fans isn't such a big deal
And gets pretty easy if the offensive production starts trending upward.
Production heals an awful lot of wounds.
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
Fans are fickle
If Pioli thinks McD is the best choice at OC, then hire him. If our offense starts actually scoring points I will love him for it.
If our offense continues to flounder, Pioli should lose his job.
A GM should be committed to hiring the guy who will give his team the best chance to win, not to hiring the the guy who will win popularity contests.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
There are still plenty of fans who believe every move Pioli makes is a good one….
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I'm not worried by them. You balance things out.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Well shit....
There goes the neighborhood.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
It's Spaceball One
She’s gone from “suck” to “blow”.
by SCKSChief on Jan 6, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
LOUD NOISES
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Eh I don't hear much
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah?
about 1 hour ago Tiny kc571 237 comments, 2 new
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Still don't hear em
Guess I’m an unlucky SOB who has to read them all :(
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
What sucks is our job is more appealing then NE
With Romeo being so old he’ll know coming in that he’s next in line to take over.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
May not be so bad if he’s not in control of personnel. Needs to stay in one place for longer than a year to gauge how good or bad he actually is.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
If we're keeping Cassel as the undisputed and uncontested #1 QB then I don't hate it.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Hate the idea of McD as OC^
I do hate the idea of Cassel as the undisputed and uncontested #1 QB though.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ring Ring
Hey this is Pioli we have a position open.
Not saying I am for this or against it
by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Jan 6, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions
Unfortunately, the position is
Chiefs fans grabbing our ankles collectively.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets.
by chai1836 on Jan 6, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL...
Is that a different positional change from the last several years?
I assure you, I was just stretching. Im ready to re-assume the position.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Crap
Season tickets may be about to go on E-bay.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets.
Inching closer.........
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
are you sure STL?
I hear he is great… you should keep him.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Seriously
If McDaniels is so damn good and brilliant…then why is he being passed around the league like a fucking hot potato?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
by Scott B. on Jan 6, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His head coach was fired.
If he’s so bad, why hasn’t he already been fired too?
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
by Tarkus on Jan 6, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If he's so good...why don't they care about keeping him?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Well, hopefully our new Head Coach gets to make the same determination.
And doesn’t have a new OC shoved down his throat.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Should happen.
RAC has already said that the next coach should be able to pick his own staff (including DC, if Romeo doesn’t get the HC job).
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
or atleast that what KC hopes for lol
by Huston09 on Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Welcome to KC, Josh
Now fix the QB
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
This is my biggest concern.
By bringing in McDaniels, I think we’re all but certain to stick with Cassel/Orton at QB. Although, I’m not sure we’re in a position to bring anybody better in anyways. So yea, fix it and prove your worth, bitch!
Can't disagree.
Tired of subpar QB play.
Fix it with the players, or fix it with the coaching. Just fix it.
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
I think Orton outperformed Cassel with McD.
If you consider what each had to work with at the time. I think the sack numbers the year for NE in ‘07&’09 (with Brady) vs ’08 (with Cassel) says pretty much all you need to know about Cassel
I know, right?
I definitely prefer Orton over Cassel. Just not sure that’s going to happen. 1. Not sure he wants to come back and 2. Not sure Pioli is done with his Cassel project.
If we're lucky...
He will “not do well” somewhere else.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Then again, the first big move McD made was to trade up and draft a QB.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Lol yeah, I suck.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Actually, the first big move he made
was alienate a QB and trade him, while using the spoils if that trade on Robert Ayers and Alphonso Smith.
Genius
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Some of that trade's spoils also helped up beat the "QB" he drafted. heh heh
To be fair, Cutler isn’t really hard to alienate. All you’d have to say to him would be “I don’t think you’re the best thing since sliced bread.”
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Who would you rather have?
Cutler or Orton/Tebow?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Orton.
I thought and said so at the time of the trade.
I can’t express my actual feelings about Cutler here because Joel has asked me to behave.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Silly
Its hard to justify taking Orton’s negatives over Cutler’s, especially as well as Cutler had played with a running game that he didn’t have in Denver. Cutler for this team specifically (healthy) would be fantastic.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure he'd mesh well with Pioli and RAC.
You do realize that you’re using the ol’ Jeff George argument?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Watching this moron's saga play out daily here on AP is excruciating
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I guess I'll be the first to say
I have zero problems with him being our OC and Romeo being our HC. In fact, I welcome it because of the familiarity between Pioli, Romeo, McDaniels, and Cassel/Orton.
Let him have his moment.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yea
I guess I meant for this post. Didn’t see many positive vibes above me. Soooo sorry guys
Don't let him push you around like that. You have to stand up for yourself.
And you have to fight.
For your right.
To paaaaaarrrrrrrr-taaaaaaay!
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
YOU SHUT UP NOW
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!
I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU!
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
I'd venture that he's not even the second or third to say that.
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
Or even the 53rd.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
He's part of the Right 447.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
by Tarkus on Jan 6, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ooooo....nice.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Makes zero sense to me
why the only guy that made Cassel & Orton relevant (you know, the only two QB’s we had) is so hated on. Let him handle the O, let Romeo handle the D. Romeo can be HC until Josh is ripe and ready. Belichik isn’t go anywhere, Romeo eventually will be. KC can potentially offer lateral movement within the company whereas NE cannot. My only concern about him as an OC would be his use of JC and the running game. RB’s have never been featured in his offenses
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 6, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions
I thought Haley would under value our running game too coming from the high flying offense in AZ
But he didn’t. And I don’t think McDaniels would either. Romeo would put his foot down on that shit in a hurry.
why the only guy that made Cassel & Orton relevant (you know, the only two QB’s we had) is so hated on
McD was mean to Todd.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
He was mean to all of us.
He tried to be mean to San Fran, but failed.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
It's only cheating if you get caught *and* penalized.
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
Well, he got fired.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Don't derail my rambling with trival things like "facts".
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
It's NOT cheating cause it's YOUR dog.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 6, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Cool. A rare green.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
And well deserved!
Would like to see a jump ball to Baldwin sometime in the near future....
by Hail2DaChiefs on Jan 6, 2012 12:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Proud member of the "Peanut Butter of the Week" club.
I haven't slept for ten days, because that would be too long.
because he's been a human wrecking ball in his last two stops
In Denver they came out swinging and went 7-0 and from there it’s all been down hill.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Which would be relevant if they hire him as GM/HC.
His offense with Orton was just fine.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Like I said...
He did fine with the offense, which is all I see (some) people wanting him for. He failed as GM and head coach. That’s why no one is wanting him in those two positions.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Except his offense failed when he needed it the most.
That’s what I’m saying.
I’m surprised that AP has all of a sudden embraced and is okay with this happening.
As much as I defend Pioli and Hunt, I will blast them for this.
Belichick successful. Belichick like McD.
/shrug
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Brady successful. Brady like McD.
/shrug
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I guess I should just agree with "most people."
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm not necessarily embracing it.
I just have no problem with it, and think he’s at least as good as other candidates mentioned. I think people here are too emotional about McHoodie.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
how do you figure?
in ’09 they started 7-0 and finished and eye-popping 8-8. The next year they went 3-9 before they had enough and canned his ass. This year for the Rams speaks for itself.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow... kinda hard to argue with this.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I can.
Terrible personnel skills >>> good OC skills.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Okay, point taken.
As long as he has NO personnel power… I can accept it. As an OC, he’d have none. Under Pioli, he’ll have none.
But I still think if you give him the choice between the Patriots and the Chiefs… he goes back home.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Here's to hope!
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He might prefer here because there's more opportunity for upward mobility in KC.
But then again, he’s almost guaranteed success in NE, which would give him a free ticket to where ever a year or two down the road. /shrug
Really, I’m ambivalent. Even without legitimate personnel power, he’d still be interacting with and evaluating our players, which he wasn’t totally successful at in Denver. So, /shrug
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Lol Bill Muir didn't have personnel power either did he?
Yet it seemed he was very much behind the cutting of Jared Gaither….
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, kinda what I just said/speculated right above.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
This year for the Rams speaks for itself.
Yes, and the Chiefs running game this year was average. They should cut all of their RBs.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:24 AM CST up reply actions
Blame the parents
not the kid. Bowlen should have NEVER given him that much control. Devaney should never have given him so much talent or rather the lack thereof
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 6, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Well said
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Giving a young 30 year old
complete control of personnel, offense, and Head Coaching duties is setting him up for failure. Most of us couldn’t even get in front of a crowd of reporters without looking like utter and complete dumbasses. The fact they even begun at 6-0 was impressive enough. Have some perspective
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 6, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Does the fact...
he was the coordinatoor for the highest scoring offense in NFL history suggest he sucks as a football mind? If he has the talent he can make it work.
That talent together at that time
Is a once in a lifetime mixture
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
lol "young" 30 year old?
God I hate modern America’s extended childhoods.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
30 years old at that level of power
has nothing to do with “extended childhoods.” 30 years old would make him not just younger (and hence less experienced) than all of the coaches and executives answering to him, but younger than a large chunk of the players he would deal with. He would have to be the friggin’ Messiah to handle that situation well. The fact that he didn’t just proves it was a poor decision from the get go.
Hank was, what, 37 or so when Lamar hired him? McD was 33 or 34, I think.
30-year-old brains are fully developed. He had plenty of football experience with an extremely well-run team in NE. He can’t blame any physical or environmental conditions for his failure in Denver.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So THIS is why he drafted Tebow! If you can’t be the Messiah, might as well draft him.
He would have to be the friggin’ Messiah to handle that situation well.
by Fourstrike89 on Jan 6, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Uh, the Broncos 2010 has turned out well so far...
#blamemcdaniels
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:25 AM CST up reply actions
If McD does come here
I would prefer they sign Orton. He had Orton near the top of the league in passing until he got injured
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
He's the puppet Pioli has been looking for
Could be a good hire
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
You misspelled optimistic.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
You did it again. It's Unpossible. Sheesh.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
LOL!
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Can you put Romeo’s head on that cat?
6 1st round draft picks, 2 Super Bowl Champions and counting
by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 6, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
This makes me happy.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Get over it.
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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions
Get over it.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions
Get over it.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions
Get over it.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:26 AM CST up reply actions
What wrong with McDaniels as an OC?
He won’t be able to mess with personnel like he did in Denver. He’ll have a lot of pieces to work with unlike St. Louis. What’s the downside? What OC is out there that you’d prefer? He’d be a good hire seeing as how we already have a good defense, we just need an offense that can put up some points.
Maybe Pioli should just make himself HC
Seems like that’s the kind of control he wants.
Meaning he wants guys he can control
Someone earlier said “puppets”. It’s Egoli at his best.
Again...based on what?
Please…give us anything that could support your statements.
Apparently the possibility of "Hey I worked with this guy before and I think he's pretty good" equates to egomaniacal desire for control over everything.
Strange days, these.
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Whitlock decided he didn't like him, and started using that monicker
People thought it was clever and kept repeating it I guess?
Foxtrot Alpha November - Sierra Hotel Oscar Tango!
Ha, I forgot about that
That’s what’s funny with these people. Cuz right now it looks like Haley had the fuckin ego and Pioli got sick of it and the end
He's basing this on the fact...
that it hasn’t even been a week since the end of the regular season and we don’t have a coach yet. We should have had one weeks ago I’m sure. Or we’d obviously have Cowher or Fisher here if Pioli would just relinquish all control to them.
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Jan 6, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Can't argue with that.
In fact, if it wasn’t for his ego, Cowher and Fisher would already be signed.
Probably Marty too.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
If he'd get over his blasted ego
He’d have resurrected Hank Stram and Vince Lombardi already. He’d also have signed Herschel Walker by now to a $8 Billion contract. But noooooooo…
P.S. This is the move that makes the most sense
Given our management, staff, and personnel. Unfortunately, it’s just not something we’re going to like. However, we’ll forget about most of it as long as we’re winning, but if/when we’re not, look out – ChiefsNation is not going to be a fun place to be.
I just liked this organization so much better when Todd Haley was in the middle of it.
HAHA wow
You liked it better when we had a guy purposely losing games(in the middle of a playoff hunt) because of his ego fight with the GM? Wow, just, wow.
i'd disagree Todd was purposely losing games...
Orton could just as well have needed time to understand how the O works, etc…and while I wanted more than anything to see Stanzi play, I cannot assume he was more ready (at least mentally) than our main man Palko :)
whether he should have started Orton for the Chicago game is up for debate...
but I’d give Todd the benefit of the doubt that IF he didn’t get that broken finger we’d see him starting as Romeo did the rest of the way.
On that one, I'd def agree with you!
he should have at least inserted him in 2nd half if he was healthy and had practice reps…my bad if that was the case in the Jets game.
but like I said above, I would not (not yet at least) think Todd was purposely losing games (by starting Palko) because of the overall circumstances with who we had at backup.
Why was he only getting 40% of the snaps before the Bears game?
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Understand how the O works?
The dude is known for being very smart, and our offense was about 15 plays. It’s not ironic that the day after he was fired Palko was delegated to 3RD STRING
Yea I'd say it's impt (unlike what Faiders did with Carson)...
even though our O was VANILLA as vanilla can get haha
Timing and reps with the players also matter
That's why
you don’t get Palko 60% of the snaps and Orton 40%. You pick a guy and go with him.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
on whether he should've given most snaps to Orton I don't have a strong opinion...
but the fact that he did give him ~40% snaps w starters shows there was intent on seeing him play no?
He said they had a couple packages for him, yes.
But why the fuck was Palko even seeing the field? First thing RAC did was correct that mistake and drop him to #3 — behind Ricky Stanzi.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
haha def agree on hidsight with Romeo's decision on starting Orton
Stanzi and Palko…like I said I wanted to see Stanzi not Palko. But I’m giving Todd the benefit of the doubt in not putting Stanzi out there too soon.
Just basing it on the performance of the team
while he was HC here, and considering the key injuries this year.
I do believe the way the preseason (or lack thereof) and early injuries unfolded, it hurt us more than other teams in that we had a young and building team with still not a lot of room for error.
It was Haley's third year.
The lack of preseason didn’t seem to hurt Jim Harbaugh in his first year as an NFL head coach.
5 losses by 27 or more points can’t be explained away by preseason and a few key injuries (Chiefs were actually healthier than most of their opponents).
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Agree that his preseason approach didn't work
as evidenced by how bad we lost those early games.
As for the key injuries, I’d argue that having JC and Moeaki on O would have allowed us to move the ball MUCH better and score in Red Zone MORE effectively, while the D was seemingly catching up in those early games. Of course, if we had Berry who knows about our D right?
This is consistent with my thinking that we’re not at a point yet where we could overcome key losses like that, and def unexpected and last minute.
Fixed
Chiefs wereactuallyreportedly healthier than most of their opponents
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
For our case: CHIEFS players who went down this year and when they got hurt
> Number of players injured during the course of a season for other teams
I disagree.
The Chiefs had all year to adjust for most of their injuries (Cassel excluded). That’s much easier than losing guys on the fly.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Coz I do agree with you on the adjustment
as the season went on
practice snap count and reps with starters
is def paramount to Orton learning the system and getting a feel of the team, but the decision of how much to ease him into it (in this case 40% for that week) is something he and the staff had to decide on….something like a shotgun approach vs an easing in approach, or somewhere in the middle.
ESPN’s John Clayton just reported that Belichick has reached out to Josh McDaniels about replacing Bill O’ Brien at OC for Pats
if bill took time out of his day to call…josh will run. It’s bill vs scott. And again i ask, now that he’s in demand, does that make him more valuable?
Thank you, Bill.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Pre-Blu-Ray revamp or Post-Blu-Ray?
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Absolutely.
Cause that’s what a hardcore scoundrel would do.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Or an extremely hot and tired archaeologist/teacher. ;-)
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
And that's pre-DVD/pre-Special Edition.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Not just that. That's the only version.
I refuse to recognize any of the “revamped” abominations.
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Anakin was a wuss.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So what?
McDaniels made a mistake in Denver, he swung like an asshole and struck out. I’d rather have a guy do that and go down in flames than constantly play it safe with scrub backup QB’s and safe picks. I have no problem with McDaniels selling out to get Tebow and Thomas…it took balls and he made it. ALSO, the book hasn’t been closed on these guys and it could turn out in a couple years to be a remarkable draft (Stranger things have happened)
He gets unfairly critisized how he handled the draft/offseason in 2010. Cutler was a bitch pouting because McD LOOKED INTO Cassel, don’t we remember the punk move Marshall had in Training camp where he was jogging through practice and kicking the balls? I have no problem with McDaniels personel moves, not all moves work out, but I give him credit for thinking outside the box.
That all being said, I don’t want him as a HC he has much to learn, but if he’s the right guy for the OC, fine by it.
One thing that grinds my gears is how someone can just look at a coach’s record with zero context and say, record was good = he’s a good coach or record was bad = bad coach. There are SO MANY different variables that enter play. There are lots of good coaches with bad W-L records and lots of bad coaches with good W-L records. Hell, Wade Phillips has a better winning percentage than Bill Parcells.
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 11:25 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Because the Rams offense stunk?
Tell me what offensive genius was going to turn that offense around? Bradford was hurt much of the year because Barry Richardson would have been by far their best Olineman, before they got Lloyd, I can’t name a single pass catching threat they had. The offense was a mess because of personel, but because of coaching. THAT is context, not “he sucked in St Louis so he sucks”. You think he just forgot how to call plays or set up an offensive scheme?
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yet the Rams offense the year before was up and coming.
And that doesn’t explain the Denver issue. It’s been downhill since he won 7 straight in Denver. And it all correlates with his presence.
Only Chiefs fans can blame their teams struggles on injuries.
The Rams had their entire Oline on injury reserve. Holy shit, how is this so hard to comprend? He wasn’t able to call plays when Bradford/Feely/Brandstader/Clemmens/Whoever dropped back and was smothered in 2 seconds? What a bum.
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In what way was the Ram’s offense “up and coming” in 2010?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Danario Alexander
… the other one is on the tip of my tongue. They had some major injury issues.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I remember Mike Sims-Walker
Not sure if he’s still there or not.
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A lot of AP wanted him bad.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
In that they won 7 games the year before and most people predicted them to be in the running to win that division.
Not to get another 1st or 2nd overall pick. Mainly because of their offense and their young QB.
But you’re kidding, right?
You’ve still shown nothing that says their offense was “up and coming” but feel free to think whatever you’d like.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Where do you have any information other than, “They won more last year.” You are the one to claim they had an “up and coming offense.” Why do you say that? Is that what some Rams fans have told you? According to FO the Offensive ranking looks like this:
2008: 32nd
2009: 32nd
2010: 29th
2011: 32nd
So because of that three spot jump you say they’re up and coming? That’s being awfully generous.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 6, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Huh.
Something about last year’s offensive numbers seems to shout out “up and coming.”
I love it when other people prove my point while thinking they haven’t…
So you’re saying that the “jump” from 32nd to 29th is the mark of an up and coming offense? Like I said, awfully generous assessment.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
They were better last year, and most predicted that to continue.
I don’t know why that’s hard for you to hear.
It’s not hard, it’s that your definition of “better” is pretty loose. One good game could bump a team from 32nd to 29th and one injury (like your starting quarterback not playing 6 games) is enough to bring you down that many spots.
I’m not sure how you can look at that and conclude that 1) the offense was that much better last year and 2) that McDaniels is the reason for the regression.
I’ve not seen any evidence to support anything you’ve said other than a Rams fan told you that he’s a bad coordinator, and that’s not really evidence at all.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 6, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But this is all irrelevant.
Their offense was the worst, then it got better in 2010, probably largely because of Sam Bradford. Then it tanked again with McDumbiels. You have a habit of bringing irrelevant things into a discussion.
How is any of it irrelevant?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Because none of it deals with my point or helps to defeat it.
My point is that they had gotten better, and that EVERYONE surmised they would continue that success. How much McHoodie had to do with their failure on this point is irrelevant (though he is the only real big variable in the equation). Fact is he’s been a part of failure for three freaking years. Denver and St. Louis.
You want him? Whatever. I think you’ll regret it. But you can’t convince me he’s a good hire. Not with his record.
2010 they got to play the AFC West, that had to help their offense out in itself
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
And yet they were the worst team in it.
In fact, next to nothing has changed personnel-wise in the NFC west, except for, one could argue, a worse QB in Seattle. Yet these teams destroyed the Rams. What was the biggest difference in the NFC West? THE COACHES!!! And there was only one big coaching change in St. Louis.
Guess who that was.
What changed
Most of their OL on IR, going threw 3-4 QBs, rb played hurt all year, 10-11 cbs on IR, terrible head coaching. Yeah not alot changed for them.
That's fine. Teams deal w/ injuries. And I can factor that in.
But I watched the man call plays. I’ve talked to Ram fans who watch him weekly. They hate the guy more than me.
But I’ll say it again.
Denver 09-10
We're just gonna agree to disagree
You’d rather have the Muirs of the world. I’d rather have a guy who attacks on offense when he actually has the tools to do so.
My thoughts as well.
McDaniels as HC= Hell no
McDaniels as OC= If Pioli thinks he’s the best hire
McDaniels as HC after he’s brought us a few years of offensive success and matured a bit= Sure
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Please go to New England mchoodie
Some people around here may have forgotten, but I still remember how terrible you really are.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
With a HOFer under center, at HC and those offensive weapons?
If we could somehow recreate that I’d love to bring him in. Too bad we’re not the Packers.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Do we have Tom Brady?
When we do let me know.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Or any HOFer actually
Im not picky, because that’s the only time McHoodie has had actual, real success.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Stram only had success when he had HoFers on his team.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What about the Cassell year?
How does that fit in your narrative?
Great system around him
All the pieces from a nearly undefeated year and a record breaking offense were still in place, Cassel was just along for the ride
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Beat me to it
McD has been Belichick’s most-groomed protege. Moreso than any assistant before. Now it sounds like they may end up back together. Seems like a guy worth having around perhaps…
by cheapham on Jan 6, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Patriot system
Sure as hell wasn’t the Broncos system
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
So Mr. Patriot built it.
Or would that be Ms Patriot?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Nah that would be Mr. Patriot
Bill Belicheck
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
He builds the entire team
So yes
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Charlie Weis knows nothing about offense.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Because he's not a god
He can’t do everything all by himself.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahahaha. No.
Go look it up. McDaniels built that offense from scratch in 2006… with Belichick’s help.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:34 AM CST up reply actions
Ha, so he gets no credit for calling those plays
You can say the same shit about the HC then “he never won without Tom Brady”. Baseless argument.
It's true beli never won without Brady
Very interesting to see how well prepared Belicheck will be when Brady eventually retires.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Ok man
You just don’t like McDaniels, I get it. But to say he’s a terrible OC is just plain stupid and no facts to back that up. A team does bad it’s on him, a team does good “well look at the players he had”.
He's not a bad OC?
Just ask the Broncos or the Rams fans about how great of an OC he is I’m sure they’ll go into great detail for you.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Sure did
Were still pretty terrible an inconsistent overall, they had our nUmber 3/4ths of the time.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Ok I'll play your game
Broncos 1rst year with actual WEAPONS, they were a good offense, after shipping their weapons away, bad(which ANY team would be without a RB/WRs/TEs). Rams, really? Do I need to repeat myself? They have one of the worst OLs in the league NO WR/TEs, RB in and out of games all year, no defense and half their “starters” on IR. Yeah, let’s put that all on the incoming OC in his first year with this squad
Seems like you haven't talked to the fans
His actual playcalling was bad and inconsistent, especially in the red zone.
It’s like he goes full retard at the 20 yard line and doesn’t know what to do.
The worst part is We already have that problem and McDaniels just makes it worse
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Why do I need to talk to em?
I watched Bronco games and had to watch Rams games this year OC was their least of their concerns. Soon as the balls snapped the QB’s getting hit, guess that’s his fault
What about passing In the redzone or using Cadillac Williams
When you’ve got a healthy Stephen Jackson warming the bench?
That and many other plays have contributed to a bad offense, and great he dealt with injuries didn’t we fire some guy who was dealing with injuries and had a bad offense to or am I forgetting something?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Are you really comparing the 5-6 Chiefs injuries
To the well over double-digit Rams injuries to most of their starters? Come on, come with something better than that. And Jackson was hurt all damn year I had em on my fantasy and all that jazz the dude was rarely healthy and who could blame em. As soon as the balls snapped he gets popped or the QB gets drilled
Don't bother.
It’s much easier to just say “he sucks” than adding any context to the facts.
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
You can't quantify footba suck age into statistics
He just sucks in an overall fashion, just an overrated coach living off the fame of Belicheck and Brady
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Im sure you can
You can find a statistic for any argument
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a Broncos fan. And I'm a Rams fan.
And I’m here to tell you: you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:35 AM CST up reply actions
"I shall call him.... Mini-Me."
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by Falcon58 on Jan 6, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For those of you saying good things about McDaniels
Fine. He’s good at coordinating offense. Whatever. I don’t care. I don’t want him coming here. It is not going to break us if he goes somewhere else. He’s not the only offensive coordinator, Scott. There are in fact others no matter what your father in law and/or Billicheck have told you. I don’t want him eventually becoming the head coach and I don’t want any more time wasted on thinking somebody can fix Cassel. Move the F on.
by old_school on Jan 6, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
And did so successfully without talent.
Because it doesn’t count if you have good players.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Right
It baffles me. “Let’s get the packers guy” <—-didn’t call plays…."lets get the saints guy<——didn’t call plays…..if they don’t like em just say you don’t like em but damn, stop makin shit up as to why he’s a bad OC. If he was BB certainly wouldn’t want his ass back that’s for damn sure.
Patriots are
Going to interview him now
by Supersexy on Jan 6, 2012 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And they clearly know nothing about winning!
What a bunch of morons! Go ahead and hire this ‘incompetent d—-head,’ Bellichick! Like he’s ever going to get your guys to another 16-0 season! Hah!
by JacinB on Jan 6, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
McDaniels is the only one that can be hired to call plays for us? And again, this isn’t just about calling plays. It’s about him being the HC in waiting, and also another year of watching Cassel be the quarterback we know he is.
by old_school on Jan 6, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Um.....he also worked with Orton
What makes you think he’s not coming back? And like I said, who else is out there that’s sooooo much better that it would be a crime if we brought in McDaniels
And like I said
It’s not only the OC position. If he chooses here over New England it means he’s going to be the Head Coach eventually. Sorry, but I don’t want that. And I don’t care if there isn’t a short list of awesome OC’s waiting for jobs. If the OC is going to eventually become head coach, I want somebody else.
And I’d love to be proven wrong and may very well be proven wrong. But as I stated in an earlier thread today, after this year’s debacle, I’m through with giving Pioli the benefit of the doubt until I’m proven otherwise. I gave him the benefit of the doubt from the minute TJax was signed up until Haley was fired. Once the rumors were little by little becoming reality, I decided to give up on what we don’t know and go for the track record. And track record says Cassel will be the starter next year especially if McDaniels is the OC. And once again, I’d wish Pioli would prove me wrong.
He's not going to be the HC
Where do you come up with this? He’s coming here to be OC. Period. You rather have Muir?
Ok, your Muir debate is with somebody else, not me
Let’s stick to the discussion at hand. If you think there isn’t a strong possibility that Josh McDaniels is coming to KC as OC to groom for the HC position when Crennel retires, more power to you. But I think that’s how it’s gonna go down and until Pioli proves that he can break this bout of cronyism, hopefully sooner than later, I can’t think otherwise.
Well I don't try and predict the future with coaches
If he comes here this year, it’ll be for OC, which I’m for. We would be a far better offense with him calling the plays than the waste of spaces that were Muir/Haley
I used to be right there with you
Once the news came out that Pioli and Haley weren’t getting along for more than a season, that was a major blow to my trust in Pioli. He could have done something, anything, to remedy it. Whether it be getting rid of Haley earlier on or anything else, we could have salvaged this season. I’m not claiming to predict the future, but I am looking at the big picture with a critical eye from now on.
i don’t care who we hire, as long at they toss the ball to bowe and baldwin, and allow them to make plays. As long as the new OC calls a few screens every game. And as long as they keep a good run to pass ratio. And stop running DMC into the middle of the line.
Not to Breaston or TonyM?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe I have to explain my Josh McDaniels hate
It’s like the collective brains here just turned off for a year, I mean I get that the situation isn’t great righ noet but we don’t have to be desperate.
He reminds me of Haley, a lot. Didn’t we just get rid of that guy? Now we’re gonna bring in his asshole cousin, who may be even worse? At least Haley was honorable you can’t even say the same thing about McHoodie.
Broncos fans are praying right now that we grab him, as are Rams fans. You could probably say the same of Pats fans even they don’t want him. That tells me to stay as far away as possible from the guy.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Never said that either
Sure like to put words in my mouth
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Better than putting something else in there!
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I just hope that Pioli isn't listening to what the fans say.
Fans are blind idiots, face it.
Offense stinks = Blame the coaches.
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Never said that is always the case
But for McDaniels it’s true
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Nah just McDaniels actually
I’m actually a strong supporter of good coaching, hence my distaste for McDaniels
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
How about you stick to what has been said?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And what has been said?
McDaniels sucks and he’ll take the ball boy, yeah I got it. Which means he’d also be fine with Muir. Nice of you to jump in though
CWP has said nothing about approving Muir
Yet you bring it up several times
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
One does not mean the other
I don’t know what your issue is, settle down.
people can disagree with you bud
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
When did I say that they can't
If your gonna disagree come with a little more than “he sucks cuz the teams sucked”. Settle down? Who’s hyped, I’m laying down watching tv. Let’s not tell me what I should and shouldn’t be doing, fair?
Nope, not fair
What I say goes dammit!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody but him at this point
That’s what CWP said. “Anybody but him” would include Muir, right?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Includes me too
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
So……you’re saying you disagree with what you said earlier?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
No
Might as well throw my name in the mix since everyone else can just throw names out
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
The ball boy
Is not throwing a name out. All the people who say no to McDaniels can’t even give a legitimate name they’d rather have. Like if we got McDaniels next year we’ll be worse off(which is just insanely stupid)
Wow, you sure take things seriously don't you?
He was saying his opinion on NOT wanting McD, I don’t either. Don’t like his ego, his decision making, his playcalling.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Again, we're just gonna end this
I take nothing seriously on the internet, it’s the internet for crying out loud. Continue to agree to disagree
Right? I just stopped arguing
I don’t like McDaniels, you guys do.
Whatever we disagree, and I don’t think our opinions are going to change anytime soon.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't mean I approve of Bill Muir
Just means I don’t approve of McDaniels
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't approve of Bill Muir
Just keep putting words into my mouth I guess
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hahahaha! Sorry, I had to laugh. Talk about circular logic!
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yupp fans areidiots
In fact they’re so dumb that when they got their way in Denver they got to the playoffs
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Who was the guy in charge of bringing Tebow to Denver?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
We're not bringing him in here to make personnel decisions
Not sure what that has to do with anything. He took a chance, isn’t that something most of AP’s been bitching about with our team?
Coaches at all levels make personnel decisions
If you can’t trust your OC to start the rich people on Sundays who can you trust?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Right*
Damn phone
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
What in the world are you talking about
He’d be here to devise an offensive gameplan, call plays and to put our players in the best positions to move the ball. That’s it.
He has been so great at calling plays in St. Louis
Hell even a lot of Bronco fans didn’t understand his play calling…
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
OH jesus
I’m not gonna repeat my whole thing about St. Louis, scroll up or scroll down it’s been said over and over. You put that on McDaniels then you obviously didn’t pay any attention to what was going down in Ram town.
I watched 5 St Louis games this year, and have read most of the comments
If you are on the 1 yard line, you give the ball to Jackson.. not throw it over and over and over
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
And how many times did Jackson get stuffed trying to get short yardage ALL season?
With that OL who could blame em.
It doesn't matter how many times he got stuffed, it is still the BEST option
Don’t get cute and screw the team because you think you are smarter than everyone else.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ok you keep getting stuffed over and over
Your gonna try something different, unless you wanna be the pure definition of insanity.
When you have that many injuries you don't risk dropping the QB back
Trying to throw the ball and risk a turnover, give it to the big boy and let him bash it in like he does 90% of the time. Instead they kept him on the bench for 6 out of 7 plays from the 1 yard line in 1 game, fyi that 1 chance he had? TD.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
I remember
I had em on my team. He was hurt all year and with an OL like that their “strength” was clearly to try and throw the ball, if you wanna call it a strength.
Yes fantasy football tells all!
So with a horrible Oline, the best option is to drop the QB back… instead of using a top RB.. yeah ok
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Use your top RB to do what?
Get hit in the backfield more times than not?We’re gonna agree to disagree you wanna put the Rams suckin on McDaniels, fine, I don’t. The end
Alrighty then
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Jackson was on my fantasy team as well
And was solid, McDaniels should have used him more.
He doesn’t utilize the available talent correctly, this is horrible for any OC to have on his resume.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Bye the numbers
He had 260 carries, 4th most of his 8 year career. And he was nursing injuries all season.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Jan 6, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
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The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:41 AM CST up reply actions
He doesn’t utilize the available talent correctly
Brandon Lloyd disagrees.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:41 AM CST up reply actions
Well yeah of course
I never said McDaniels didn’t know how to pass a football.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
That would be McDaniels
But I doubt McHoodie would’ve ran the option for Tebow
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
It’s just funny that you hate McDaniels so much you’re willing to give the fans credit for bringing Tebow in before the guy who actually made the decision.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
McDaniels wasn't around this year
Or am I missing something?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Point of order:
The Broncos are only in the playoffs because we had two field goals blocked.
Elsewise, we would be hosting Pittsburgh this weekend and, since we only lost 13-9 when we played them this season (with Palko at QB and Haley screwing up our playcalling, no less), we’d clearly have won our first playoff game since 1993.
Nothing else could’ve possibly happened or factored into this, just like there no chance that Denver’s 1-4 start (rather than fans getting their way) had anything to do with the switch to Tebow.
1-4 had nothing to do with starting Orton I'm sure then.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
That's an understatement.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:42 AM CST up reply actions
That's an understatement.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:42 AM CST up reply actions
Not the ones I've talked too
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 7, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
here
NFL Offensive Rankings
Total Yards – KC – 27
STL- 31
Pass Yards- KC- 25
STL – 30
Rush Yards- KC- 15
STL-23
Receiving Offense – KC – 31
STL – 32
Thrid Down Efficiency- KC – 19
STL – 32
Points Scored – KC – 31
STL – 32
KC had a terrible offense this season, but STL was THE worst, run by some guy you think is a good fit for us. Not to mention he was a bronco, a cheater and cheated against us as a bronco.
Some of you…oh nevermind
Only the Chiefs had injuries this year.
So I think you must be wrong about that.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Look at the fucking rosters.
What the hell is the matter with some people? He wasn’t able to call plays with Kellen Clemens throwing to danario Alexander with Mark LeVoir and Harvy Dahl blocking for him?!?!!?
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Curtis Painter threw for WAY more yards than Peyton Manning this year. WAAAAY MORE YARDS.
Must mean he’s WAAAAAY better.
by craig in calgary on Jan 6, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
You mean when they had the 6th best passing offense in the league?
And he McD turned Brandon Lloyd from a complete joke to one of the top WRs in the league?
Except that they did well for 7 games.
And that’s it. The then went 1-6 and 3-9 with one of the worst performing teams in the league. Then got canned. Way to cherry pick though.
Which is part of the reason the offensive #s are so high
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
This is an unintentional plug for Muir isn't it?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Wait.
So you mean he couldn’t single-handedly make a team with one of the league’s worst offensive lines, no WRs, no TEs and a Running Back and QB that were frequently hurt competitive?
Well, we beat the Packers.
Therefore, sleeping Bill Muir > Josh McDaniels. Or, something ridiculous like that.
I just wanna honestly know
For those who don’t want McDaniels(bullshit arguing aside), who in the world do you want? I have yet to hear any other names but “McDaniels sucks”. You guys must want Muir back?
Anybody but him at this point
I’ll take the ball boy
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Paul Hackett?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
I can dig it, a guy who looks like that certainly can't be conservative.
Unless he is in fact dead, in which case that’d just be weird.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
There are rumors that Bill Muir has, in fact, been dead since October.
And we still let him call plays.
by JacinB on Jan 6, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know..................
it should be
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
Zombie Greened, plus, I contibuted!
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
The ball boy is a much smarter decision
When compared to a McDaniels hire
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
16-0.
18-1, losing the Super Bowl on a fluke catch that the defense allowed.
Haven’t seen the ball boy do that.
He also had Matt Cassel.
And Matt Cassel sucks so much that him holding clipboards actually made Brady worse, which is obviously why Bellichick traded him.
Tom Brady seems to be doing well still.
Yet McDumbiels and Cassel have both failed on fail island with fail sauce.
Hmmmm…who was responsible for NE success?
I don't even know what to say to that
McDaniels basically gets no credit when his offense does well but all the blame when they do bad. Got it.
How can you not see what I'm saying?
The fact that it did well before, with, and after him STRONGLY SUGGESTS he had nothing to do with the success. Add to that two miserable failures, and the evidence is pretty stacked.
They could with the team they had assembled
And lets not forget Spygate either.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Zorn? Clements? Philbin, maybe? Greg Olson?
I’m not set against McD as OC, just throwing out other names.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So we have to get permission
If we want the oc from greenbay?
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
All other arguments aside...
McDaniels is > Bill Muir. As long as we upgrade from Bill Muir, I’ll be a happy fan.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Win
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
How much can you hope for from this team?
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Can you re-state the question?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 6, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't even know about that tbh
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
If the real Hoodie wants him back....
If the real Hoodie wants him back, I ‘d say that he’s legit still. Bellecheck is a great coach and if he still likes him well enough to want him to come back and coach his offense, I’d say Pioli needs to make it official with Romeo and get McHoodie here.
Belichick has no worry of McDaniels beoming the head coach any time soon
We do. That’s all I’m saying.
by old_school on Jan 6, 2012 1:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The worry shouldn’t be that he’ll become head coach, it’s that he’d be in charge of personnel decisions like in Denver. That’s obviously not going to be the case with Pioli around.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
He's a coach
Bottom line is its there job to know which personnel are correct and which aren’t, and McDaniels cannot be trusted with this sort of power. He’s proven that already.
Maybe with Belicheck around yeah he’s great, because Belicheck gets the final say on all parts of the team, the roster, offense-defense, draft choices, etc. But here in KC, with a likely Crennel signing at HC, Crennel doesn’t know the offense well enough for that. So he’d need to fully trust his coordinators and their decisions on who should stay and who shouldn’t.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli is in charge of personnel in Kansas City the same way that Belicheck is in control of personnel in New England. How would it be any different? In both places McDaniels would not have the final say regarding those decisions.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Oh because we have Belicheck's growing on trees here in KC?
Because this is definitely a completely different situation, or do you not notice that?
Pioli isn’t on the field coaching players everyday, in consequence he only has one view of the players. You’re telling me he decides the roster, the gameday roster and everything else all by himself?
Crennel isn’t an offensive-minded coach, so his input and experience there would be minor. He’d have to trust what McDaniels says since he’s with the guys everyday, divising game plans, breaking down film, etc. If the HC can’t trust his OC, then how can you have a functional football team?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I was referring to building the roster through the draft, trades, and free agency. Those decisions fall on Pioli. You’re right in that the OC would have a say and that he would be in charge of who plays on Sundays, but without the ability to ship players out and make draft day trades I wouldn’t be as worried about McDaniel’s inability to handle personnel.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Well obviously
But that doesn’t matter on gameday.
He didn’t utilize Peyton Hillis correctly, and other players with the Broncos. He sure as hell wasn’t utilizing the talent correctly in St.Louis, what makes you think that will change in KC?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 6, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
is this a sign that if we take mchoodie that the rams will trade there first round pick to the chiefs
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
The Rams still want to keep him.
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:46 AM CST up reply actions
So... 3 Super Bowls in 4 years?
"Noooo!!!" - Referee, Oilers @ Avs, 26.11.2011
The 2011-2012 Colorado Avalanche: there will be blood and there will be wins. Maybe.
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
The Number Zero, for everything but mathematics. Blood and Thunder Record: 9-12-1 (Total Record: 10-13-1)
by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 7, 2012 4:46 AM CST up reply actions
No that's Brady & Belicheck
McDaniels never won a super bowl…
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 7, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
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