AA breaks down Dorsey and Jackson

spot on

5 months ago stagdsp 10 comments 0 recs |

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Dorsey, Jackson, and Bailey

The Chiefs 3 best Defensive lineman. Need to retain all three for next year. That means no trades for all the Madden trade talk out there.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions

He missing a few facts when it comes to pass rushing.

1. Not all 3-4’s are alike and non-2gap 3-4’s allow for more pass rushing from their DE in base defense.

2. Unlike alot of the other DE’s in 3-4(especially those with the “good” numbers)play in pass rushing situations in subsets whereas our two guys aren’t. This is why a guy like Bailey appears balanced because he’s in on passing downs and fairs pretty well when they run in passing situations.

I’m not going to say that Dorsey and Jackson are pass rushing beasts but I will say, in the context of our defense, that’s not what they’re asked to do and not what they need to do. Whats lost, especially on Jacksons side of the line, is how much easier they make the jobs of our guys that actually rush the passer on a regular basis.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 AM CST reply actions 3 recs

well said

rec’d

by stagdsp on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

Good point.

I was thinking along those lines when PA started listing stats for the top ten 3-4 DEs. I’m not sure there are many more than 10 starting DEs in the league who play in a 2-gap 3-4 scheme.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Dorsey's lack of height for a 3-4 DE (barely 6 ft vs 6'3" + ideally)

Is evident by the zero batted passes. I don’t think he can see over the O-lineman blocking him. I don’t care if he doesn’t get sacks, but 3-4 DE’s should be taller to deflect/bat down passes or atleast make the QB change his throwing lane once in a while.

by Chiefs_KC on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions

Dorsey has ridiculously long arms, though. That probably helps with his low number of missed tackles.

Like GB said, a lot of his stats are based on the scheme and the downs he plays.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah, but his eyes are in his head, not on this hands, he can't see the QB

by Chiefs_KC on Jan 5, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions

But he can see the 5'9" running backs that he hardly ever misses a tackle on while he's covering two gaps.

Weird.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 5, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions

But actually, I'm not saying that he's a pass rusher who's being held back.

His college play was based on being straight-up stronger, faster, and meaner than the guy across from him. I don’t think he has pass rush moves, and I don’t think he’s got enough movement in his hips to juke O linemen. I’ve seen him in practice – he looks like a ball of violence in pass rush drills, but it’s not hard for true NFL guys to just stay in front of him if he can’t bowl them over.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 5, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions