Kansas City Chiefs January 2012 Approval Poll: Clark Hunt
by Joel Thorman on Jan 5, 2012 9:00 AM CST
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PrintWe continue on with our Kansas City Chiefs January 2012 approval polls. Here's the link to Romeo Crennel's vote and here's the one to GM Scott Pioli's poll. Vote in both of those if you haven't already.
Today we turn to team owner Clark Hunt.
We're coming up on three years of monthly approval polls for Hunt and, for the most part, he did very well in the first two years. Over the last year, however, his numbers have started to drop where he's been hanging around 50 percent approval rating the last few months.
What approval numbers will Clark Hunt get this month? Vote in the poll below and check out previous month's results after the jump.
- December 2011: 46%
- November 2011: 51%
- October 2011: 53%
- September 2011: 38%
- August 2011: 60%
- July 2011: 57%
- June 2011: 42%
- May 2011: 66%
- March 2011: 78%
- February 2011: 88%
- January 2011: 95%
- December 2010: 97%
- November 2010: 97%
- October 2010: 95%
- August 2010: 89%
- July 2010: 90%
- June 2010: 91%
- May 2010: 93%
- April 2010: 92%
- March 2010: 87%
- February 2010: 90%
- January 2010: 82%
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December 2009: 70%
- October 2009: 86%
- August 2009: 95%
- July 2009: 94%
- June 2009: 90%
- May 2009: 91%
- April 2009: 96%
- March 2009: 94%
- Feb. 2009: 91%
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Even if this were a reasonable and/or true complaint (which it isn't really IMO) why blame Clark?
He’s not the talent evaluator and doesn’t draft the players.
Good teams play through injuries
Next man up
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Ok
but i said “good teams”….like KC, they have no depth …..the one thing you can point to Clark for is there is no depth…..he is ultimately in control of the money…they SAY Pioli has free range to spend…then why isnt he, or wouldnt he?
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
its the NFL
money talks…..and if you put a better product on the field, consistantly, then players will come..
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
Hate is a strong word
i would say i hate ANYBODY….I just want the Chiefs to win a Championship…not just be “good enough” I wouldnt even put this all on Clark. Lamar seemed to like just being “good enough” too….People can talk about Jerry Jones or Al Davis all they want, but the reason they make SO MANY moves is because they consider any season that they did not win a SB as a failure…..they spend money, sometimes they overspend, make trades, etc….Chiefs usually sit back, build through the draft, and pick up cheap FAs that are usually a year or 2 out of their prime or at best 2nd or 3rd tier players…….Im tired of HOPING for the playoffs, i want to EXPECT the playoffs and a GOOD chance of going all the way……and ultimately its on the OWNER to get the team there….
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
holding Jerry Jones up as an example of a "good owner" is inane
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
read it again...
i didnt say he was a “good owner”….i said the man shows he wants to win…anything less is a failure…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
He's won 3 SB's since 1989
Hard to argue with results.
by craig in calgary on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
You can EXPECT IT next year buddy
BOOK IT =)….it’s comin, I mean, look where we were 3 years ago. We really are making leaps and bounds to get where we need to go
i sure hope so..
but right now, the weakest part of the team is the most important position in the game ….QB
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
i like what ive seen from Orton so far
except that he has had a problem getting into the endzone..(not all his fault)…but i also know that the last couple teams he played for shipped his ass outta town…and if you ask the fans from those teams about him, they are not giving him “glowing reviews”…
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
**i WOULDNT say i hate anybody ***
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
And overspending is no better than underspending.
I just read an article, however, about how KC gets to take past cap space into future years (or something like that). So really, Pioli has put this team in a great spot for the future, and for bringing in and retaining future talent.
Where’s that article?
It amazes me that people still think that if you’re not “underspending” you are “overspending.”
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Agree
but you can say the same that just cuz we didn’t get a shit load of FA’s that he didn’t try to get more.
I’m not looking for a “shit load.” I’m looking for better players than Palko and Piscitelli.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Well Haley pushed for Palko right?
Maybe he trusted the coach a little too much on that. And as for Sabby, I mean, I’m sure he tried getting better upgrades than that.
I’m sure he tried getting better upgrades than that.
What makes you so sure? How hard is it to through some extra money at a back-up safety? It’s not like that puts the team in Redskins territory, or even remotely close to it.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Because Sabby Piscitelli is the back-up safety. If he’s that committed to building a winning team you pay for it.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Here’s a list. Pick one and I bet he’s better than Sabby.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Thank you, an answer
And again, nobody knows if he TRIED getting some of these guys. And half that list wanted to be starters and be paid starter money they wouldn’t have come here to sit behind Berry
More assumptions. You can sit there and assume Pioli did his best. My bet is that he didn’t offer any of them enough to sign, but thank God we saved that cap space to re-sign other guys.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
You're assuming too, JComp.
But Haley seemed to like Piscitelli. Are you saying Pioli shouldn’t listen to his coaches?
And how does this factor into Hunt’s approval?
Personnel decisions are the job of the GM, not the Coach. And when those decisions are hamstrung by money concerns it becomes the owner’s fault. It doesn’t matter if Haley liked Piscitelli. If Pioli thought there were a better safety out there he should’ve signed him.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I agree with this some what,
Problem really was GM and HC were not getting along, Bad communication. Some say that Haley was trying to run the Organization to the ground. You could also argue that Pioli was trying to not win, as he wanted Haley out, and its diffucult to fire a successful coach.
I say was lil of both, Toxic, and that buck stops at Hunt.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
So you’re telling me that not one of those 62 other FA safeties could be convinced to come to KC?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
They were division champions coming in to the season. This year would have had nothing to do with a FA’s choice to sign during the last off-season.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Sorry to jump in here...
but i think you have a point. We ended our “Division Winner” season being embarrased at home by the Raiders and a manhandling by the Ravens (man thoer Dline brutalized our Oline, Rb and QB) in the 1st round. After those 2 games i had seroius doubts aboutthis team……im sure there were plenty of FA who thought the same.
And overspending is no better than underspending.
What’s that mean then? People aren’t asking for him to overspend. They are asking to not underspend. Huge difference. Did you find that article, by the way? I haven’t heard anything about moving future cap space forward, which was a ridiculous argument people made at the start of the season.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
It means that if a player wouldn't come here, and wanted an unreasonable amount if he were to, that I wouldn't support it.
It doesn’t mean that I don’t support spending more.
IE,
I wouldn’t support giving some cornerback or safety a 9 million dollar yearly salary to come here simply to get him here, regardless of how good he is.
The Bears aren't good?
They were on their way to the playoffs, and were in the NFC championship game last year. Pretty sure they’re a good team.
I think it all really goes to show that the difference between between winning consistently and losing is a very narrow margin
look at the whole “any given Sunday” thing … the overall talent of any team in the league is such that anyone can beat anyone … the trick is doing that consistently
it’s not such a matter of money spent on players: ALL of these teams spend a fortune, and ALL of them rake it back in just as well … top to bottom, good or bad, the money is already there
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I was being a little mean when I said that...lol
but what i meant was, they have no depth…so when you lose Cutler, its over…which is exactly what happened
Playoffs are a REAL possibility in 2010...just need few tweeks here and there.
wait ... so Cutler is a good QB? :-)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
when Cutler has protection, he is pretty good...
in fact, he has better “tools” that just about any QB in the league….he just does not have the brain to go with it sometimes…
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Cutler is good when he gets protection.
Trent Green was good when he got protection. Joe Montana was good when he got protection. When our QB’s now don’t get protection we expect them to still be good. It is so obvious our biggest problem is our protection,I don’t understand why most people think all we need to do is get an elite QB and everything will be great.
I agree with you 100 percent
it all starts up front….but a better QB can make an O Line look better….by making faster reads, getting the ball out faster, recognizing defenses and where the blitz is coming from etc…
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
FYI when we played Green Bay,
I’m sure of the fact that Aaron Rodgers had been sacked more times that our trio.
I still think their o-line is better than ours though. the main reason would be Richardson isn’t a starting RT and drags the whole group down in key plays, and Wiegman was starting to get victimized. His age showed later in the season.
by tenacious rdc on Jan 5, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
i heard clark put a fresh book of checks in his check book last week
he wrote one check for succup already, it could be a good sign to come
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
As much as I hate the owner of this team....
playing throuhg injuries is on the coaching staff
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Hard to do that when it's your 2 best players
At least Houston had theirs for a good amount of week before.
Anyone hear Marty diss Clark on 610 yesterday?
Marty’s the man
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
When asked what he (Clark) do to be more like Lamar
Marty said “He shouldn’t even try. People can’t change their personalities.”
Something along those lines. Saying what many of us already know, Clark is no Lamar.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
I didn't hear the interview.
But how is that a diss? From what you posted, it sounds like he’s saying people shouldn’t change who they are.
Also, while I loved Lamar, in his age he had let the team and the franchise get too soft. I could cite a famous person that compliments the changes that have happened at 1 Arrowhead.
Stay in the past, stay in the..last…place…yeah.
Marty continued to praise Lamar
and suggested that Clark has nothing in common with his dad. Made it sound like he though Clark was a chuck. But we already knew that
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Urban dictionary didn't clarify what you mean by chuck
but all I know about Clark is his family put him in charge of managing the Chiefs, he hired the most expensive GM on the market, has spent less of the cap in recent years but was partly responsible for a new CBA that mandates a salary floor of 90% of the CAP, spent a lot on renovating a stadium, and has voiced and demonstrated his commitment to the Chiefs and the city of Kansas City. So if that means he’s a jerk to you or something, I’m wondering what isn’t…
Demonstrates his commitment to KC....by living in Dallas
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Yes, an owner that is part of the community is more likely to understand the importance of the team to that city
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Even though he could have family commitments and stuff in Dallas?
Maybe he likes it there? That doesn’t preclude him from also being committed to KC. I’m sure the guy can walk and chew gum at the same time. Not to mention the team is staying in KC.
It’s not a good argument.
I think he understands THAT part of equation, I really do
what I don’t think he gets is the need for a more “personal” touch and approach to things and less of a demand to make the Chiefs “Patriots West”
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think owners should delegate.
I mean yeah, he has to interact with his business, but we really don’t know how much he does that. But he can’t and shouldn’t do everything.
I’m not saying he’s perfect. No one is. I’m also not saying I like him more than Lamar. I am saying that I think people are sometimes unfair to him, and that he probably is doing a pretty good job.
of course he should delegate
but he should be hiring the right people to delegate TO
again, my point is that Lamar would be hiring a different type of people to run the team in day to day transactions
look, Clark said he wants to model the franchise after the Steelers (a noble ambition) but then went out and got Pioli and KC has turned into Boston, Jr complete with silence and secrecy that rivals Hoodie himself
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Not really since Haley left.
I don’t mind some discretion in what the team shares. Everybody doesn’t need to know everything. Why does that even matter?
where did Lamar live?
I thought he lived in Dallas as well.
Clark has some positive traits and the guy is very intelligent, no doubt
but as someone once said, and rightly so: Clark is no Lamar
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He is his son
so I expect some traits to have rubbed off on him. However, he is also a different person who has probably picked up some different philosophies from his dad. Maybe they’re actually better ways of running things? Recall, his dad had a 20 year stretch of a losing team with no playoffs (70’s and 80’s).
Just because Lamar did great things, and was a great person, doesn’t mean he was always right and that Clark being different is bad.
well, here's one major difference ...
Lamar couldn’t care less about losing money in any given year, or even several years, it was about the game, the sport, the competition, having fun and mostly about people … he genuinely cared about the players and the rest of the personnel associated with the franchise
do you think Lamar would have cut office staff salaries during the CBA affair? do you think he would have allowed something like that? not a chance …
Lamar knew that sports = sportsmanship, both on and off the field, and that was more important to him than the “bottom line”
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Maybe that's why he didn't field a good team for so long?
You have to have money in this league as well. Recall also that Hunt repaid what was lost during the CBA, and then gave nice raises to people as well when it was over.
recall also that the vast majority of teams never did that to out an economic strain on those people to begin with
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Maybe, I'm not sure on those details,
but making decisions one thinks are business savvy doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a bad person.
you really think shaving the salaries of those office personnel was some kind of shrewd business decision?
it was less than peanuts to the organization (much less to Clark’s deep pockets) but it’s a huge deal to the everyday joe schmoe … and considering it was during the off-season when no games were being played anyway, do please tell me what revenues the team was missing out on at the time?
then there was time the team was going to charge firemen to attend a game after some pre-game ceremony …
example after example of things along that line … all of which started after Clark took over and brought in Pioli & Friends
now, you can point fingers at others in the organization for making such asinine decisions directly, but Lamar would never have brought in such people to begin with
again, to Lamar the Chiefs were not a business as much as a hobby … you spend on a hobby, you have fun with a hobby, a hobby does not demand that you care about the business end as much as maintaining a positive outlook and culture
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't know if it was or not, because I'm not running the team and don't have access to the team books.
Clark did it and he apparently thought it was a necessary decision. I seriously doubt he was trying to spite anyone or has a pact with the devil to be mean to his employees. This is supported by the fact that he reimbursed what was lost and also gave a raise after the lockout was over.
I also think the fireman thing was weird, but I can’t imagine we have all the info on that. But the team also switched on all those things as well.
I understand that, and I'm trying to tell you that I don't think it was even Clark's decision to cut those salaries or make the firemen pay
what I AM saying is that Lamar would never have hired the type of “bottom line bean counters” who would have made decisions like those to begin with
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I don't think you know if that's the case at all.
Clark can’t predict what some people would do anymore than Lamar could.
Furthermore, a lot of these decisions were Pioli’s. So really, what you seem to have issue with is the Pioli hiring.
and the team changed direction on the Firemen issue (and likely others) ONLY because it was made public knowledge
my whole point is that NONE of those should have happened to begin with … not one! and Lamar would have been mortified that even ONE of those instances came to pass
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Dude, Lamar's teams would run up and down the field on Clark's
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
You think Palko or Casshole are moving the ball on Marty's D?
No chance
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
well the 70s and 80s team members are probably all old people now
if this team can’t beat a bunch of old people…
Sometime during the Herm years
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Lamar passed in late 2006, yes
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
2006
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
the 06 miracle with herm
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
fescoe asked
what is your opinion of Clark Hunt?
point blank. Marty said, "oh i have a very high regard for Clark.
I don't doubt that he listened to the same thing
and heard what came after as a diss on Clark.
what I heard was Marty saying Clark is a good guy who knows better than to try to be somebody he’s not.
You can take that to mean he sucks, or you can take it to mean be yourself.
How is that dissing him?
He’s just saying there was only one Lamar, and he should be himself.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
maybe one of the problems
is lamar built this team from scratch. clark was handed it with a silver spoon.
as far as not spending money,if it was just last year that wouldbe one thing. but it has gone on for several years. thats how you become known as cheap.
No, As head huncho he let his GM and HC go to war with each other
Caused a toxic sutition.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 5, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions
Out of sight, out of mind.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Give it another couple of years...
and I’d bet someone or a group of someones tries to buy the Chiefs from the Hunt family.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I'm just making a statement, didn't have someone particular in mind.
Apparently there is a group of old Chiefs players/personnel that think that Chiefs organization is being run very poorly since Lamar’s passing. And it’s hard to argue with them right now. I heard this on the radio, so take it with a grain of salt. But I’ve been having similar feelings about the Chiefs for a while.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I agree
at this moment, the chiefs need three basic things; an offense, defense, and special team.
defense-RAC
offense?
Special team????
we have 1/3 of a real team. Something seriously need to take place or we’re going to have a repeat of 2011
Absolutely...
And what it comes down to for both of those things, more than anything else, is coaching. We need some more talent and depth, because depth makes up special teams. But we’ve got a pair of above average kickers. We’ve got playmakers on offense, but we can’t take advantage due to poor QB play and poor Oline play.
Some of these things seem fairly self-evident to any fan and anyone who has played football at any level. Things begin in the trenches. You can win and lose the game there. And you need a quarterback who can run the offense and make some plays. Handing off is easy (relatively) but passing is hard.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I wonder
is it because we gave 60 to cassel and clark refuses to spend anymore
or do they truly believe that he’s our savior?
But, but, but... Clark has given Pioli an open check book!
Yeah, right. Either that’s a lie or Pioli is cheap. Cassel is a great back up QB. That’s all he ever way. He did well playing on a Patriots team that had a system and the right talent to fill it. I’m not even sure what our system IS!
The problem that Pioli has with Cassel seems to be the same as the one that Haley had with Palko: Blind loyalty and faith. Pioli remains convinced that Cassel is better than he has shown. Sometimes that’s okay when that player is showing flashes of promise. We haven’t seen that from Cassel. He’s had one good year and I’d call that an above average year. He managed the offense well and played well enough to win (or not lose).
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
be fair though,
Pioli has an off season to go to address the QB situation, he may go all out to get a better QB. I wasn’t the biggest Cassell fan after last year but i wasn’t ready to cut him,either. I think most fans felt the same way.
by tenacious rdc on Jan 5, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Clark Hunt, as was said above, went out and hired one of the very best GM's
available and that’s about all we can hope for except for an outline to his GM as to what he expects. Because of something between Pioli and Haley, the plan has not worked out. The team is better but problems still exist. I hope and imagine that Hunt and Pioli have discussed this in depth and I would imagine that Hunt has made it clear as to what he expects now. If so, the ball is in Pioli hands and his future could be on the line and appropriately so.
Hunt is the owner..Its HIS team
so if things are not going right and they are not winning, its HIS responsibility….so, the team, just went 7-9, missed playoffs, fired the head coach, have no solid QB options, bad O Line, no depth, and they are now going into year 4 of a rebuild and are searching for a new head coach….I cant say I APPROVE right now, sorry.
when the Chiefs win a PLAYOFF GAME, Ill approve….im not settling anymore, you guys shouldnt either.
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
oh and the fact that his team is soooo far under the salary cap
tells me that money is more important than WINNING…sorry guys, when you have holes that need filled, and youre that far under the cap, you should be signing some players to fill those holes.
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Do Not Approve......for now
I voted Do Not Approve for one reason: As the owner, I expect more from him in terms of contributing to the pride of the Chiefs! Making us marketable! Swelling our pride even more! Since bringing on Pioli, a move I supported as a fan, we’ve become all business. The one thing Lamar Hunt was able to generate with King Carl was an exciting environment for the fans – one in which the fans were gauged and interacted with. Together they made arrowhead one of the loudest stadiums in the league…if you couldn’t feel the pride walking in you could hear it, regardless of the state our season was in. Anymore, I feel like its the fans who carry the pride while the guys upstairs focus on business – there’s less focus on separating our stadium from others. I want that excitement back that I used to feel at Arrowhead growing up. Overall I don’t disapprove much but one critique that I feel we are getting away from as an organization.
Also the salary cap...
Forgot to mention another aspect I’m not sure I appreciate. This Chiefs regime appears more geared toward leaving open salary cap space in order to profit more from…another reason why I feel its become all business and less about the fans. I want more fan interaction and more wins on our plate!
This I completely agree with especially about settling. On the other hand, now that
it’s happened, and not the way that everyone had hoped, it’s going to take time. This is where I hope that Clark has made it perfectly clear that he wants results, thus putting the pressure and responsibility on pioli where it belongs. I don’t think that Pioli can afford to settle now.
We need to stay the course.
We decided after Vermeil left and the window closed for winning, we were going to build a team through the draft. The Blue Chip free agents want to much money, I would rather save the money and pay our free agents, pay Bowe and Carr.
Parcels was talking about the Colts saying in a few years all their players will be getting old at the same time, that is what happened to the Chiefs under Vermeil our O line got old at the same time and we didn’t have a defense at all. Clark is doing a good job, we just need to stay the couse, blue skies are coming.
I voted Do Not Approve
My primary reason, honestly, is culture. This team is surrounded by a general malaise. There’s no identity. And culture doesn’t come from the head coach. It doesn’t come from the GM. It comes from the boss. That’s Clark. He’s THE boss. He hires the guys that work below him. Pioli is private and standoffish. He’s not a leader. He doesn’t strike me as the leadership type. He’s a manager. Clark should be setting the tone. The Chiefs are a business like any other. It’s time for someone to recognize that and create the mission statement and drive it home. And this is not only for the players, but for every member of the organization down to the guy shouting “Ice! Cold! Beer!” on gameday. It’s time to make a difference, Clark, if you want the fan’s support.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
4 da win.
Anyway, modeling certain aspects of your franchise after another successful franchise doesn’t mean you don’t have your own identity.
Mmmm... bbq....
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
plus 1 on the slab of ribs!
now on to Clarky -
I’m a Chiefs fan, I’m a Royals fan, and I’ve heard ALL of the reasons why we don’t have this player or can’t sign that player and why our payroll is in the bottom of the league. I’m just sick of all of it. I don’t care what they say if your at the bottom of the league in payroll your the cheapest owner in the league.And until they do spend money to improve the team their just talk.
I Voted for DISAPPROVE for One Reason
THIS has gone on way too long! and Clark allowed it.
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
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