Wrapping Up The Day In Kansas City Chiefs Coaching News
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2012 5:57 PM CST
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PrintWhen I woke up this morning the only known candidate for the Kansas City Chiefs head coaching job was Romeo Crennel. And by day's end we've had two more candidates identified. If you missed the day's coaching search news, we'll recap it here for you to use at the water cooler (I work at home but surely people don't use water coolers anymore, right?).
ESPN reported that the Chiefs were interviewing Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator Joe Philbin. The Chiefs head coaching is a promotion so they're allowed to talk to Philbin during the Packers bye week. They couldn't hire him until after the Packers are eliminated, which could be the Super Bowl, so I don't see this happening if the Packers keep winning.
Earlier this morning I talked with Andrew Brandt, president of National Football Post and former Green Bay Packers executive, about Philbin as a candidate for the Chiefs job. Brandt said Philbin is a "solid coach", has been around the Packers through multiple head coaches and "operated successfully in the shadows. He has experience coaching the offensive line and managing a prolific offense. Moreover, Joe has a great sense of humility and ego."
Moving on to the next candidate....
The Chiefs reportedly interviewed free agent coach Jeff Fisher last week. Bob Gretz reports the meeting didn't result in anything and the two sides are moving their separate ways. I'm a little surprised by this but maybe I shouldn't be. Fisher may end up interviewing at every single open head coaching this year.
So we have three names linked to the Chiefs job -- Crennel, Philbin and Fisher. And I'd still say Crennel is the favorite to land the job. No word on any sort of timetable the Chiefs have in the coaching search.
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I feel like we're looking for a yes man
Someone that will pretty much coach, and that’s it. Fisher wouldn’t like answering to pioli at the drop of a hat. Would make more sense for an up and comer than a previous head coach I’d guess. I’m with Joel on this one though, I think RC will retain his position for at least a year.
by SoCalChief17 on Jan 4, 2012 6:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What else do you want your head coach doing?
Someone that will pretty much coach, and that’s it.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
I thought Haley was doing that
Stories since suggest maybe he was not doing all he should, where another coach might shortcut conditioning or something else completely.
Lombardi was talking about Bill Pollian in Indy and said he was involved in everything the Colts did. Pollian was at every practice and such, Pioli might be like that. Caldwell doesn’t seem all that good a coach to me but with Pollian there maybe he had little motivation to be better
Rambling now :(
it's been said many times by many people: micromanagement kills incentive, etc
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He was supposed to get luck
Mission accomplished
For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired
by ArrowheadHunter on Jan 4, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Suck for Luck.
It’s a legitimate strategy.
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I personally think the coach should be involved in all personnel decisions
Coaches that have more input in the players their coaching usually have more success than the ones that don’t. Belichek, cowher, fisher, parcells, etc. pioli seems like the type to make the decisions based solely on what he wants.
by SoCalChief17 on Jan 4, 2012 6:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think historically Pioli has proven otherwise
Pope, Urban, Breaston, etc? Seems to me Pioli takes his coaches’ input into consideration.
Pendergast Too
I doubt Pioli hired Haley’s buddy from AZ just because he loves shitty defensive coordinators.
the only guy worse than pendergast was greg robinson
playoffs anyone, neither team punt game
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Which is worse? DC named Clancy
or OC named Homer?
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Lol sounds like their parents did it wrong.
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I had a thought today
How in the Hell did the 12 apostles get names like
Peter, Paul, John, James, Andrew in the middle east of biblical times?
Those were the common names of the region at the time
The more Muslim sounding names of today originate farther East
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intesting ... and good question
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Peter, a name derived from the Greek word for rock, is also known as Simon Peter, Cephas (Greek: Κηφᾶς) and Kepha (Hebrew: כיפא). Both Cephas and Kepha also mean rock. His original name was Shimon or Simeon.
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so, John Paul George and Ringo ... oh wait
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I like the King James version.
But I only read the parts that sound cool when put to music. Mamas and Papas and Dio.
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I'm certainly no expert on what is or isn't a common name in the bible
What I do know is that they find many many artifacts (mostly ostuaries) that have those names on them. James and Mary, for example, were the most common names in the region at the time.
If memory serves, Jesus is actually the most unusual name.
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Thanks
I think of all those long gone and what their lifes must have been like.
Whether Famous or Mundane like me they all had lifes worth living and still reasonate into today with us talking about them like we Do :)
Many of the stories are actually much much older
I’m not saying the people in the Bible weren’t real or important. (I believe they were) But many of the stories in teh Bible are the result of writers placing those folks into much older legends or contexts. which is really pretty cool when you think about it….
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I hope to God they invent time travel while I can still use it.
I want to go back and see if there really were giants in those days. Old legends and myths are so fascinating because a few have turned out to be so literal.
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Lots of good evidence that dragon, giants and the like
are probably based on ancients finding fossils of long deead creatures. For example, they found an old temple ruin where a cyclops worship was part of the tradition. In th ruin they founf mamouth skulls. The hole in a mamouth skull looks a lot like a single eye socket
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Ups proved unicorns exist today in DTR's thread.
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Did he?
Or did the unicorns prove that Ups exists?
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I think it's past Ups' bedtime.
Or he’s waiting for the moon to go back behind the clouds. Hard to type with paws.
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ha! that's good ...
yessirree jimbob, that’s a HOWLER right there! (oh, I see what you did)
I’m actually a semi-retired and formerly unpaid professional nightowl :-)
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of course I don't exist! you poor, misguided, foolish child ...
and that skull is like TOTALLY FREAKING AWESOME KEWL!
(and, interestingly enough, almost as old as I am)
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It is our History
and the fact that so many of the oral histories of Man have the same events in them is truly astounding.
We are a part of that, I look at old pictures from the 1800’s and see people living like I do today. Truly strange and relevant. I can not imagine what life in 2250 would look like with the changes we have seen in the last 100 years
I'm convinced it will look like
Idiocracy
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someday, Steve, the technology will be such that we'll be able to THINK something and it will instantly appear on twitter
following which our homes will be immediately bombarded with deadly gamma rays by the thought police for having such evil thoughts about Tyler Palko, XIII (the great great great great great great grandson of the legendary Chiefs QB, widely regarded as the savior of the franchise during the great rewriting of history in the year 2125)
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Yeah, RAC and his big bad hip.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Weis made that scooter look badass.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Consideration, sure
But I don’t think the Haley/Pioli relationship worked ultimately because Haley wouldn’t play puppet for Pioli.
Because that was the patriot way?
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Jan 4, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Solid. How did he say that word, solid? Solid solid, or SOLID BY GOD! solid? Or eh, he's solid.
Is Philbin the type to move into a totally different situation and light the fuse on a potentially explosive offense? Or is he a great “team player” who “takes direction well” and “meshes well with everyone?”
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That's why we need chip Kelly and rg3
For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired
by ArrowheadHunter on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Gimick offenses don't work in the NFL. Unless you've got an in with the Man Above.
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I can live with RAC as HC
Need a new OC aND OLC.
Need new QB (Orton, maybe?) and Oline help, C esp. Maybe new WR coach, gotta work on the passing game.
if RAC as HC, need DC. Need an upgrade at NT, maybe a little LB help. Upgrade a Safety if we can, start grooming a new CB or two
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 4, 2012 6:11 PM CST reply actions
Hudson is likely the C
I’m hoping Powe’s the NT.
poe
I hope they draft poe if he makes it to 2nd. If not there is 2 others. Poe plays in 34 on that bama d. Powe must not that great, inactive almost every game.
by wolfpack0735 on Jan 4, 2012 7:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dontari Poe? He plays for Memphis.
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maybe we can hire weis just for sundays games as oc
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
looking for a puppet and probably telling candidates Cassel is starting QB
no wonder Fisher didn’t want the job. Romeo might be best Chiefs can do
Blah
Fisher probably didn’t want the job because as a veteran coach with past success, he probably wants full control of personnel, which is Pioli’s background and wouldn’t likely give up.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 6:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why wouldn't Pioli be interviewing coaches and tell then anything other than the QB under contract is what we have?
What else would you like him to say? He can’t guarantee anyone else is signed or drafted. What else could he legitimately claim to a potential coach?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 6:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why wouldn’t would Pioli
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 6:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Don't ask the interviewee "do you have any questions?" if you can't answer those questions as the interviewer
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 6:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The interviewee may suspect he will have said quarterback shoved down his throat.
After asking the interviewer if any effort will be made to improve on the most important position on a football team and the interviewee receives a negative response, he may have found that unacceptable. They part friends until they meet again on the football field on opposite sides of the gridiron.
Ok
Again, considering Pioli can only speak on the players on the team currently, how could Pioli talk about anything else besides wanting the players on the field that gives the team the best chance to win???
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Who says he can only talk about current players on the team?
I believe if I were interviewing for the job, I would want to know what the future plans for improvement might be. Almost every company has at least a 5 year plan, which involves products, personnel, etc.
Pioli's going to tell a coach who might be hired by another team what his draft plans are?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Great point
It benefits no one revealing whatspecific future plans are for the team to someone not on the team, and again, their are no certainties with it anyway
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
our plan is to win more games ...
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Throw a wrench into it all
“our plan is to lose more games so we can have the best draft pick possible to find that elite QB to satisfy your ‘demands’ as a recently fired coach”
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
ha!
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That might intrigue Gruden.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yes, that was a great point.
I now sit here, head down, in shame.
Buck up Pibbs.
I hope we trade up for RG3.
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will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Past performance does not guarantee future results.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
yes but look what montana did if healthy u got to take a strong look at getting manning
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
no thanks
very limited shelf life with Manning, at best … and cost a fortune
and with our OLine he’s liable to get himself killed anyway
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I thought you were making our line better :)
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I am!
… by using our draft picks on actual, you know, Offensive Linemen instead of tossing them to the Colts for a player with 2 yrs of service left and a freshly operated on spinal column
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If Manning becomes available
It’s likely that he is cut and becomes a FA
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i would say montana line and our line right now are about the same
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Montana's line was great
Center Tim Grunhard, RG Will Shields,
LG Dave Szott, LT , John Alt.
When we were great we had good O lines. The AP thinks all we need is a good QB and it fixes all the problems.
If we have good play calling with a good o line it will fix all our problems.
Good play calling with a good O line
and Montana.
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Great, he can vamp on what direction the team wants to go
It durant mean anything is certain, being my point. There is no point in talking about what you would like to do when that involves factors you can’t control, like where free agents sign or where draft picks fall and to what team. Pioli can talk all about wanting to find an elite QB, pretty much every team’s goal through those means, but it has absolutely zero certainty. So again, what does it matter about what you want when the only certainties are what you currently have under contract?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Even saying that much would be too much.
Say Fisher gets hired by Miami, and about three months from now he’s considering whether we might trade up ahead of him in the draft. Knowing whether or not Pioli is satisfied with Cassel would be a huge advantage to him.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Agreed
For someone who never tips his hand in a specific direction, telling someone outside of the team structure anything is highly unlikely.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
After Fisher was quoted saying something about a team not having a quarterback.
Kinda makes you wonder if he was talking about the Chiefs. Maybe, we are stuck with Cassel. If that becomes a fact, it will say lots about Pioli. And probably not very flattering.
not having a QB? hey now, we have Matt Ca ... oh wait!
never mind …
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Considering he didn't want to play Young towards the end
I doubt that’s the case.
He never wanted Vince Young
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oh, great, justt great ... yet ANOTHER "shadowy figure" ... like Pioli isn't enough?
Brandt said Philbin … has… “operated successfully in the shadows”
btw, terrific investigative work, Joel … we’ll make a JOURNALIST out of you yet! (huge grin)
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coach will baldwin play sunday
answer, well baldwin been practicing great all week, and whoever gives us the best opportunity on sunday to win will play. BS.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
It's amazing that our AP "powers to be" are so fully endorsing Crennel.
Maybe you all should read about Joe Philbin, pretty impressive and maybe he would bring Flynn along. I like that Pioli is exploring other possibilities.
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/joe-philbin/cf2ee0a8-4db5-4c99-bdd6-d81973ad68fa
I have no doubt it's a positive endorsement ... no team page will say anything negative about their own personnel
had you looked at the Chiefs website a week before Haley was fired it would have said only good things about him … a third-party outside and non-biased source would be a better place to look
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no doubt ... go look at the Chiefs page right now, I imagine it's entirely positive on Romeo
so, if that’s your only source and standard to judge by … “The Devil You Know” would apply i this case: we already know the players like and respect Crennel, we know he has prior experience, we know he can motivate the team, we know a lot about him, including the fact that HE knows our players and system, our strengths and weaknesses, better than anyone on the planet
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BS, Crennel probably knows very little about our O. Why are you so "in love" with
him? Heck, I like the guy but the D gave up on him many times this year or his D playcalling was off. 40+ point losses. In the Raider game, they gave up two long bombs and a fake field goal for a TD. Again, I like Crennel but he sure has his warts too.
he's one of the most respected DC's in the business ... what makes you think he doesn't understand ANY offense he comes across?
to even suggest that he doesn’t understand our offense is ludicrous
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I think jcox is arguing that RAC knows how to pick our offense apart
putting it together and making it run properly is another different
I'm saying that RAC is not the one to be "running" the offense. He still has a
full time job with the D and sometimes that’s even more than he can handle. He’s not HC material in my opinion and it would hurt our D’s progress.
that's why they hire OC's ... to do things like, you know ... run the offense
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It just seems that you and maybe Joel, decide you like Crennel and then
that’s the big push (not that anything we say makes much of a difference) but then you try to dominate the discussion. I’ve stated that I like Crennel but you end up hurting the D without him having full concentration and then he’s not (IMO) qualified to be very involved in the O. Sure, you hire an OC but I personally prefer an offensive coach running the team and I really don’t think that Crennel would do a very good job overall, and his past does perhaps reflect that.
right
I’m the ONLY one on all of Arrowhead Pride who’s come out to say “hey, I like Romeo Crennel as our next Head Coach”
not one other person on this entire blog has EVER said ANYTHING like that …
right
you got it!
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You sure love to use your sharp tongue.
I’ve been reading on here a lot and you do get the "Hire Crennel" prize from what I’ve seen. You bully…lol.
you've been "attacking" me for supporting Crennel and giving you what I consider valid reasons to keep him on as HC
all I’ve been doing is speaking my mind, just as you have … let’s not turn this into some personal issue here, ok?
I haven’t “dominated” anything here … it was you, me, you me … that’s pretty even in my book :-)
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Hey ups
Hey, I like Romeo Crennel as our next Head Coach.
You’re not the only one and contrary to popular belief, you haven’t brainwashed the rest of us into supporting your point of view.
(At least we think you haven’t….)
Why would you prefer an offensive head coach?
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Let's have some input. What are the most successful teams
over the past several years and are the HC’s involved in the offense of not? Let’s see: NO, GB, NE, Texans, SD, KC under Vermeil, etc.
Offensive minded coaches seem to get more involved into the tempo of the game.
Ravens and Steelers ...
your honor, the DEFENSE rests
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The Ravens haven't really done that much since their Super Bowl
They are good, but 2000 was awhile ago.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 4, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
the ravens just secured the #2 seed
and are 8-0 at home this year… I wouldn’t write them off just yet
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
didn't they make the playoffs last year, too?
seems to me they even beat some team in the first round before collapsing in the second half AT Pittsburgh (the team that went on to … oh yeah, the Super Bowl)
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Both Head coaches are involved in the offense and both
started their careers on offense. The Ravens coach built his background as a ST guy and Tomlin even started out as a WR but then went over to the defensive side, however he has turned over the D duties to Dick LeBeau and he is involved with the offense now. So, your statement is false.
ne is run by a defensive minded coach
fyi
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NO, GB, Texans.
NE – no, obviously Hoodie is not an offensive coach.
You did NOT just call SD under Norv a successful team, did you?
Vermeil’s Chiefs were fatally flawed because they lacked defense.
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of course the Chargers are "successful"
look at all their Super Bowl victories in the last decade …
oh, wait
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Obviously, success is not only measured by SB. Last
year the Chargers had the number 1 Offense in the NFL.
I’m sure not a Chargers fan but until not making the playoffs the last few years, most would have considered them a successful organization. Again, twisting the facts aren’t you? And your Ravens haven’t won in the last decade either.
I think you're searching for justifications for your pre-formed opinion.
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I prefer a coach that knows when to let others do their thing
Offensive, defensive, whatever. If they put together the right staff and let them do their jobs, that’s all I care about.
and it certainly seems that Crennel is that type of guy ...
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See? I just knew you planned on hiring Crennel all along Ups!
Why didn’t you just come out and tell us when you & Joel made the decision? ;-)
By the way…have you let Pioli know yet?
[sarc-grin]
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Scotty will get all relevent information on an as needed basis, as always
as for Mr Thorman and myself, our goal is always to ensure that the Chiefs continue to improve and that our franchise provides the best value for the dollar to better serve the community
no more questions, thank you …
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Hire Dr. Lou!
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Dr Phil!
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Suicidal Coaches ... on the NEXT Geraldo!
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Wow...I had no idea that Ups had so much power...
I kinda figured it of Joel
…but … Ups, too?
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it took a long time for me to let Joel have a voice in the decision-making process ...
… but it’s in the best interests of the team and the community (angelic smile)
and it's better than letting Chris decide anything that has to do with clothing, have you SEEN that GQ layout? I mean seriously, JJ Bean sells ties THAT narrow, come on man!
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is pioli exploring the idea of dumping cassel
that would be very amazing
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
he should
continuing to back MC might cost him his job
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O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 4, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks on Philbin.
For one he will be like Haley in that he has a prolific offense for the last few years but no HC experience. If he doesn’t even call the plays on offense what does he do? I guess he just tells the players where to go on the plays? Pretty sure all the coaches and myself could do that once we know the playbook. I want a coach with more seasoning. At this point I want it to be Romeo. He failed in Cleveland but so has every other coach there since they came back in the NFL. He’s showed he is an excellent game planner and the players seem to love playing for him. My only worry is that he never shows much enthusiasm and excitement. It just worries me as far as motivating the players. Then again maybe this is a good thing and finds other ways to motivate.
by Brandt34 on Jan 4, 2012 6:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
so we want a crazy man waving his hands around like haley or a cool and calm guy like RAC
decisions decisions
i still like snap the fucking ball brodie
haley best in my opinion
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
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I'd Say It Means They Don't Want Crennel
They know what they’ve got with Crennel…he’s been on staff for two years and worked with Pioli before that. If Pioli thought he was the guy he would have hired him by now instead of kicking the tires on other coaches. And considering that he decided to interview Fisher and Fisher reportedly had “no interest”, I suspect the only way Crennel gets the job is if nobody else ends up wanting to take it either.
Can’t say Pioli is impressing me so far. I suppose if he goes after the Packers OC, it at least gives us hopes of landing Matt Flynn in free agency (if he isn’t franchised).
DO you think we will have to trade a pick of compensation to get who Pioli wants?
is that still allowed?
Trade For A Coach?
Only if he hires a head coach currently under contract to another team. And god, I hope he isn’t that stupid…it was an idiotic move when Peterson did it to get Herm.
Only if you are Carl Peterson and you are wanting to trade for Herm Edwards
I don’t think you have to trade a pick for someone being offered a promotion, but that’s just a guess
If the Rams want to keep McDaniels as OC
and Pioli wanted him bad, as an OC would we be able to trade a pick as a sweetener to lthe Rams to release him?
Seems they was a rule after Gruden’s deal
Yes, I Suspect So
But I doubt they’ll give up much just to get a coordinator. That would be really stupid.
bullsnockey
you cannot give away half the roster; set you back 15 years
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
I'd give away Stanzi :)
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Why Would Anyone Trade Anything For McDaniels?
It’s not like a new offensive coordinator is a guaranteed Super Bowl.
Subthread not worth your time
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Nice try
/disengage
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If He Does
I’ll want him fired immediately. Paying draft picks for a coach someone else is okay with getting rid of is the height of stupidity.
To see if the new coach wants to keep him
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McHoodie is a cancer ... Lloyd isn't as good as Bowe
’nuff said
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Do we really know McDumbass is a "cancer"?
I thought all we knew was that he sucked at personnel decisions
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fair enough
but he also sucks at being OC … ept_stl was going thru a litanty of how he completely mangled the Rams offense this year in every conceivable manner (and probably invented a few new ones along the way)
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I'm not defending the guy as a coach
At least not beyond the fact that he is apparently well thought of by Hoodie (whom I respect). I’m just saying we’ve built him into something akin to Dr Octopus.
Dude isn’t using his robot minions to destroy cities. He just lost some football games and got fired.
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he did that in Denver
He just lost some football games and got fired
he pretty much crippled the Rams … again, first-hand accounts from ept_stl … misuse of personnel, scheme, planning, playcalling, everything up and down the line
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So you're saying he should have used robot minions then?
Side note: When did we start thinking STL had fans…let alone that those fans knew anything about football?
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ept_stl is a Chiefs fan ... just happens to live in St L ...
therefore he gets to has to watch Rams games (more often than he’d like)
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Ah
Now about the robots….
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put the crack pipe down
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
If Pioli wants McDaniels that bad and he's still under contract by the Rams he'll offer him the HC gig to avoid giving the Rams compensation
Be careful what you wish for. I think I’d rather have Philbin as HC if he’ll bring the Packers QB coach to be OC instead of McDaniels
I should research more
Does McCarty run the whole offense or do these two guys program the playbook and McCarty calls the plays?
System Design and Playcalling - McCarthy
System Installation and Gameplan – Regis
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Who would Design our offense
or would it be templated off of the Packers?
without Aaron Rodgers running it
I would assume egis would assume design
if he’s smart he’d likely hire an C to do his old job. As for playcalling….I frankly think it doesn’t much matter just so long as it’s one guy and he’s good at it. The idea that it’s too much gameday responsibility for the HC is garbage.
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I thought you were asking what Regis' role would be here
please tell me you aren’t one of the guys who thinks he’s coming here as OC
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now THAT would be fine with me :-)
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I am confused by this entire subthread
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ah good, Steve's work here is done ;-)
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Whatever I want
Pioli is going to do what he wants, I was just wondering about his ability to pull someone under contract to the Chiefs and what it might cost.
Romeo is the only name I have heard actually tied to the Chiefs I want. Chudzinski is interviewing from the Panthers for the Jaguars I believe. He worked for Romeo before in Cleveland
ut you were asking about who would design the Packers O here in KC...
oh nvm..
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real simple lombardie
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will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
he traded a pick for vermiel too
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But it isn’t necessary unless Pioli hires someone to do a lateral move. Hiring an OC to be a head coach requires no compensation because it’s a promotion.
You know what
At the time, Sean Payton left Dallas to go HC the Saints, I didn’t think he was HC material either…
HAHAHAHAA…
So I’m done with that… I can only view if the OC or coach will be a great fit for the CHIEFS..
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, And
I’m glad that Fisher wasn’t interested. He’s the most overrated coach on the market and history shows that coaches who get to play GM as well generally do a bad job at both. Let the Dolphins or Rams be stupid enough to hire him and give him total control to run their team into the ground.
Speaking of the Dolphins, by the way, anyone else notice that old Carl Peterson is playing more of his power games trying to get another GM job?
Percy Snow, Tim Grunhard, Dale Carter, Will Shields, Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, TonyG ...
yeah, horrible people … all of ’em
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Herm is a great guy
Being a bad coach does not make him a bad person
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I didn't say anything about him personally. Just that if Carl Peterson was president
and herm edwards was the secretary of war…
"by a guy who drafts or recruit horrible people"
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Not too bad
Don’t forget our talented young core came from Carl
by SC Chief on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Matt Blundin. Steve Stenstrom, Mike Elkins, Ryan Sims
Traded down so he could select Larry Johnson instead of Troy Polamalu. Traded Jared Allen away because he didn’t want to pay him what he was worth. And remember how he thought Brady Quinn was the best QB prospect he’d ever seen?
Had a few good drafts, but the man was more great bullshit artist than great GM.
by UCrawford on Jan 4, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I AGREE with UC to some extent
He was a legit GM but when the FA market started booming, he and the entire player personnel crew got complacent and started to buy FA cuz they were to friggin lazy to do their real jobs
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
Lot Of Bad Contracts Too
Handed Johnson and Holmes superstar contracts AFTER their best years. Paid Kendrell Bell a huge contract to play in a system for which he wasn’t suited after he had a serious injury. The whole Dan Williams and Tony Casillas fiascoes. Andre Rison, Derrick Alexander…Bam Morris.
Don't leave out Chester McGlockton
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
I Actually Don't Blame Him For McGlockton
McGlockton was a reasonable signing…he was young, coming off great seasons, fit a need. That one just didn’t work out. Actually, it turned out later that it might have worked out except Marty fucked up by rushing him back into action when he was recovering from surgery. That was on Marty…in a season where he made a lot of poor choices, I felt.
yeah marty also failed to teach mcglockton not to jump off sides
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of Bad contracts
Lets not forget the ONES he let slip away
JOE HORN
DONNIE EDWARDS
RICH GANNON
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
but Marty was happy when he got to the Chargers
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OK, now its not even funny :(
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Neil MSith...Saleamua....Albert Lewis
In all fairness tho, Joe Horn prolly needed to get out of town following the Bam Morris/Vanover fiasco
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Albert Lewis and Neil Smith
arrrrrgrghhhhhhhh…Carl Peterson …you bastard..I remember now why I cussss at you so much back then
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
Albefrt Lewis was drafted in 83 ... long before King Carl arrived
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It's the leaving we cus
not the drafting
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He Was Talking About When Lewis Left
I don’t fault Peterson for that. Lewis just hated playing in KC.
I Don't Fault Him For Lewis
Lewis was bitching about being in KC pretty much from the moment he got here. The only reason he was around as long as he was was because there wasn’t free agency. And Saleamua was done by the time he left. Credit to Peterson for finding him in Plan B free agency.
I am happy for Neil though
and Kawika and Fujita and Keyaron
they all got a ring!
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Fujita
FUCK!
FUCK FUCK FUCK
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But those were just as painful as Donnie
Donnie – SD
Neil – DEN
Albert – OAK
….ARRRRRGHHHHHH
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
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I don't care
I loved those guys.
And T-Rich….WHY CARL WHY??
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big sal was driving a dump truck when the chiefs signed him
the lions kept jerry ball over big dan
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
they cut donnie edwards way before his prime
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ryan Sims / Trezelle Jenkins / Junior Savii
That was the fall of Mr. Peterson
Savii though not a 1st round pick, it was their first pick that year….BOMB!
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
staying with an old and older group of players during the Herm years was his downfall ...
huge mistake, he should have begun the rebuild as soon as Herm walked in the door
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In a way I was trying to point out
his fall became rapid as he had consecutive f**k ups with the 1st round picks, the more he screwed up the draft picks, the more he relied heavier on FA…
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Lamar was in failing health for several years before he passed
CP tried desperately to piece together a SB squad before the end which lead to a bunch of questionable decisions that strayed from the core philosophy.
Wrong moves…right reasons.
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by the time he realized the HOLE he dug, it was too late
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
very true, Satch ... a noble ambition, just horribly done
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If only he'd have gotten a real DC instead of Robinson, they might've had another SB ring before Lamar died.
Wow…reading this thread & seeing all the player names of days gone by (great ones that got away & CP screw-ups)…makes me sad & angry all over again.
nostalgia road…
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
Nostalgia Road ... would be a great name for a rock band
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Herm's downfall
was a lack of quality game planning and discipline along with an ill-advised commitment to ineffective players. Remember Damon Huard getting us to the playoffs in Herm’s first season and not even sniffing the field once Trent Green was “healthy” and just awful in a close game against the Colts in the playoffs? Yeah, I do
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 7:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And He Never Should Have Hired Herm
One of the most inept head coaches I’ve ever seen. He ruined Larry Johnson AND Curtis Martin.
If Herm was never on board for the those 3 years
I doubt we have guys such as this list on the roster today:
Hali
JC
DJ
2 Brandons
B. Albert
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
i'm just sayin - don't hate brotha!
CP relinquish the old philosophy of buying players after Herm’s year 1, Herm sold CP to build from the draft.. that is why you see solid players from the 2007 2008 drafts
no where in this I’m trying to say HOW Herm was a great HC
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
What?
It’s not like CP was skipping draft picks before Herm got here. He was in charge of drafts before and during Herm’s time in town. Herm just sold Clark on playing rookies and losing in the short term for a promised long term benefit which may or may not have ever happened had Herm stayed.
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correct, which is what Pioli did and everyone thinks he's FABULOUS for it
Herm just sold Clark on playing rookies and losing in the short term for a promised long term benefit
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Not sure that's true
There is a difference between not spending on FAs and building thru the draft(Pioli) and using all of your draft picks as starters. (Herm)
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true, but the point is that the team dearly needed to be rebuilt ... needed a youth movement
anything but getting MORE over the hill FA’s
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Your point was that they had the same philosophy
That’s just simply not true. Herm wanted to play all his rookies and hope the developed into a good team. The first thing Pioli wanted to do when he got here was bring in more vets….
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Thats what Ups was saying
Herm didn’t have much to spend for FA ..thus played his rookies since there were gonna develop and build from the draft..CP blew away a shit load of bad contracts…not that he wouldn’t have played veterans
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Herm Didn't Have Anything To Spend For Free Agents
He was the head coach, not the GM…thus he had no player budget. :)
We were capped out at the time tho...
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Priest earned that money
But we had a shitload of bad contracts
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Shawn F***king Merriman
Damn…if Priest had been healthy and played out his contract…LJ would have been expandable before his true self showed up
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
No, He Didn't
NFL contracts are based on what a player is projected to produce over the life of the contract, not what he produced in the past. Holmes was 31 and injury-prone…Peterson never should have paid him.
And I liked Priest Holmes.
You take that back
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We paid Priest less than a mil/season
for 4 years. 3 Of which were MVP quality. That huge extension he got never paid him more than 6.5 in a year. His contract didn’t break the bank and frankly, we owed it to him (imo)
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Doesn't Matter
The NFL isn’t about rewarding your sentimental favorites…it’s about building teams to win. The Priest Holmes deal worked against that. The gratitude of one player is not more important than the team.
Who knew Merriman would end Priest's career just like that?
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Exceptions to that rule exist
I’d argue that when you pay a guy:
448K for 2169 yards then
750K for 2287 yards and 24 TDs then
550K for 2110 yards and 27 TDs
A little make up money is in order
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There Are No Makeups In Football
If a player is underpaid, that’s what’s known as a bargain. You don’t hand him a stupid contract to make up for it.
Damn UC
You’re one helluva shrewd negotiator
:)
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's All About The Team
I do like Priest and wish him well…he was an amazing player. But he isn’t the first player who ever got underpaid and he won’t be the last. That’s just the NFL.
The iterated prisoner's dilemna.
Constant cutthroat doesn’t pay off in the long run.
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Nothing Cutthroat About It
It’s a contract negotiation. You’re paying for an expectation of performance…if somebody gives you a great deal and charges you less than their perceived market value, that’s good for you. You don’t make up for it by giving them a deal that’s horrible for you. Most players understand that’s how it works in the NFL.
Wasn't the LJ pick for insurance
And was to help leverage the contract talks with Priest?
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
If So
It was a stupid move. We got two good seasons out of Johnson and way more off-field idiocy than he was worth.
No one knew then UC
We had a really good O-Line (Old Line), it was primed for RB. If CP hadn’t paid Priest and never drafted LJ…who would it be ?
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Enough talk about Troy.
If we had drafted Troy, who knew CP would have let him walk to after his rookie contract expires. But I was asking who would have been our RB if its not #31 or #27
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Someone
Running backs are one of the easiest positions to replace.
And you think Peterson would have been stupid enough to let Polamalu walk because Greg Wesley was so much better? Please. CP still wouldn’t have drafted Polamalu, though…he didn’t draft USC players.
That because he prefers the crosstown rival
ala….Donnie Edwards, Jarrad Page
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
No Kidding
If you go through his draft record, you’ll find he had a very odd record when it came to USC players though. As I recall he drafted exactly two in 20 years. Larry Parker and someone else whose name escapes me. Although he did sign Marcus Allen, but I think that was more to spite Al Davis.
Peterson was a UCLA guy and I think he really had something against USC players.
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do u realize that if the redskins would of given us a third round pick instead of the 4th they offered kc that jamal charles would be playing for the skins
haley and pioli were going to make the deal
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Probably
Haley was stupid enough to be okay with that. He had some kind of bug up his ass about Charles.
yeah it was actually peterson who drafted charles
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
Vermeil and CP went on a spending SPREE, we’re like CAPPED out almost every year
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
my point being ... it was the right thing to do, but should have been done earlier :-)
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And Maybe Flowers
Herm knew defensive backs…he knew fuck-all about coaching any other position on the field. And I give him zero credit for drafting players, since that wasn’t his job.
I'm sure Herm gave Carl the thumbs up on flowers, but even I knew they needed a CB in that draft and Flowers was considered a borderline rd 1 prospect that slipped to rd 2
i can’t say that was a real find, even I was telling the TV screen to draft Flowers.
Oh c'mon
Herm was very high on Tamba… go rewind the post draft interviews
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
And He Got Horrible Performance Out Of Him By Year Three
Who cares if Herm said nice things about Hali post-draft? Of course he said nice things about him post-draft. He said nice things about Brodie Croyle too…because Herm said nice things about everyone.
Every coach we have ever had has been high on every player we have ever drafted
in post draft interviews
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The Only Coach I Can Remember Who Trashed His First Round Pick
Was Bill Parcells with Terry Glenn.
Michael Jordan did it with Kwame Brown too in the NBA, but that was different because it’s basketball and because Jordan is one of the most incompetent managers of people in sports history.
Which is worse? Jordan at GMing
or Newman at Risk
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Jordan
I was surprised to hear when I went to Vegas that Jordan is one of the celebrities most despised by dealers. Apparently he’s a world-class asshole.
This does not surprise me at all
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He Likes To Brag About How He Doesn't Tip To Them
But he makes up for it by being an absolute shit to them.
It Shouldn't Have Surprised Me I Guess
Not after his HOF speech. I think I’m actually kind of hoping he goes broke some day.
Would be funny if he and LJ both wound up
caddying for tips
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vermiel was pretty pissed that we drafted lj
and called him out in public saying it was time to take the diapers off
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He Was Right
Johnson was such a piece of crap. I thought we should have let him sit out in 2007 instead of paying him. What the hell else was he going to do?
Derrick Johnson Was In KC Before Herm
Branden Albert is a mediocre left tackle who is still under his rookie contract, so where the hell else was he going to go?
Is having an elite LT like having an elite QB?
only 5 teams have one at any one time
mediocre is such a harsh word
You're the one who kept him out of the Pro Bowl.
He has a nasty tweet for you.
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Did He Bitch On Twitter?
If so, he shouldn’t have. Nobody on that line has any reason to bitch about a PB snub.
As bad as the Herm hire was
Gunther was worse. Everyone around the team knew Gunny wasn’t going to be a good HC. His hiring was a huge WTF moment.
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Crash Gansz!
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Don't get me started on that one
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yeah i agree ups but i think carl was trying to make one more run for the late lamar hunt
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
If Only His Games Paid Off
20 years and not even one Super Bowl appearance?
They’re actually running two head coaching searches right now…one led by Peterson, the other run by their actual GM. Talk about dysfunction.
It Was More Than That
Every single one of Peterson’s good teams had an easily identifiable fatal flaw that was evident well before the playoffs. The man was a great salesman, but he never gave you product to match the pitch.
well, they were designed to GET TO the playoffs ... under Marty that happened 7 of 9 years ... damned good track record there
and getting TO the dance is more than half the battle … after that, getting THE dance with The Prom King (or Queen) is another story, but getting to the playoffs is always the first step
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True, But
For being around 20 years, he should have had more success. Or been fired about ten years earlier.
at least he wasn't around as long as Steadman
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montana taken the chiefs the furtheist in the playoffs
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
steve don't get me started marv had the chiefs going in the right direction, until they canned him for who
john mackovic
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by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Who then took us to the playoffs and we canned him for
Frank Fucking Gansz
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What the hell was going on back then? I wasn't following football yet.
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They Fired John Mackovic After The Chiefs First Playoff Season In 15 Years
Because the players liked Frank Ganz better. He was horrific. Nick Lowery led the players revolt.
In fairness, Mackovic was an ass…that wasn’t the only player revolt in his time coaching. Had one or two in college.
yup, since that time
that wasn’t the only player revolt in his time coaching. Had one or two in college
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Told One Of His Players At Arizona
That he was a disgrace to his family, in front of the locker room. The players went to the university administration to demand they force him to apologize.
Did he tutor Mangino?
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It's too bad that those Johnson County
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I Think He Had To Go
Less because the players didn’t like him than that he kept driving good assistants away and his recruiting slipped. His defensive line was abysmal.
When KU first started showing signs of success, I remember telling a buddy that it was because Mangino's players were scared to death of him.
/smug
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He Was A Good Coach In A Lot Of Regards
But his temper just turned him into a world-class asshole so often that eventually it ended him. There’s got to be a carrot sometime…it can’t all be stick.
you're still so young
Mackovic was an arrogant bastard who made Haley (on his worst day) look like a Sunday School Angel … aloof and arrogant to the Nth Degree
end of the season after the Chiefs lost to the Jets in the playoffs (round 1) the players had a meeting and pretty much held a gun to Lamar’s head saying they hated Mackovic and wanted Gansz as HC instead
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Damn, must have been interesting times.
I didn’t start following football till after I left the house.
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Steadman did all that
and then we got his understudy CP to do a bit more of that?
Don’t the GODS think its time we deserve a shot back at the PRIZE????
c’mon man!!!
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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
King Carl had no affiliation with Steadman or the Chiefs until he was hired by Lamar
Steadman had long since been replaces as GM in mid-70’s
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Levy built a good team then a strike year went wrong and we canned him
Mackovic took over and was hated by the media and players despite winning. Tickets weren’t selling despite the playoff appearance so we canned him for Gansz who the media loved.
The whole player revolt legend is waaaaay over played.
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should of never canned marv, had the team going in the right direction
joe delaney rip
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
OK, I vaguely remember that strike.
That’s about when I first started getting interested in the Chiefs.
Guess that’s what happens when the media gets to pick a coach.
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and levy was canned, at least in part, by coming out publicly on the side of the players during the strike
not that that was the OFFICIAL reason, of course
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No, It Wasn't
Part of the reason the players liked Ganz so much was that he told them all these great stories about his time in Vietnam…until it turned out the stories were all made up. :)
Pathological liar with a 4-11 record? Oh yeah, the players really screwed up.
yeah when the browns canned marty
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Damn, sounds like I should have started following the Chiefs sooner.
The Eighties must have been pure lulz.
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Fucking frustrating
So much talent on D…ridiculously managed and hamstrung by incompetent O.
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I didn't watch Blackledge, but my dad told me about it.
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His favorite QB around then was Kenney.
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Keney's only redeeming quality was that
he wasn’t Blackledge. If you think Cassel has happy feet…..wow…Kenney
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Yeah, Dad doesn't think he was good, just liked watching "Wild Bill."
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Mention Steve Fuller if you want to see him die a little inside
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Naw, we've been good friends since I moved out/he kicked me out.
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I hope we are not due for a replay of the 80's
This Chiefs D is stacked if we add some depth and Carr IMO
I agree, though I wish we were a bit stouter up the middle
we have that “bend but don’t break” thing still, too much of it, I think … I far prefer the “stop ’em cold” brutes up front of a traditional 4-3, but with it being a pass-happy league one does need more in the way of faster LBs and faster Secondary
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I'm not saying they didn't like him (They did)
I’m not even saying they didn’t lobby for him as coach (they did).
I’m saying it’s not why Mackodick got fired. He got fired because nobody liked him and the stadium was empty.
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I Fully Endorse That Nickname
I had never actually heard that before. Odd, because it seems like it should have been obvious.
water boarding pioli is the only way u will get him to answer your questions
even that might not work, but i think it will
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions
Romeo=players coach
I think it’s important that all of our major players back Romeo. Hali said that he wants to make Romeo proud., Like a “father figure”. I think our GM needs to look at this as a positive and hire the guy that our players will bleed RED for.
whats your gut feel is it going to be romeo as HC or is pioli going to
drop a bomb on us
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I dunno, you can learn a lot by interviewing people you don't plan to hire.
Pioli could learn a lot about Clements from Philbin.
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do u think a big name is coming like gruden or cowher
the longer they wait the more likely possibly
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
I don't think so.
There may be someone on a team that is still playing.
never say never
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
KU - K State turning into a hell of a game
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Was looking grim in the 1st half
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True. What I would give for a win in Allen Fieldhouse...
by manhattan_chief on Jan 4, 2012 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
I really thought we were way under rated coming into the year
I love the balance of this team. And they’re still so young…look out next year.
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MU better pack a lunch if they want to win at Bramlage
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Will there be cake?
This is my signature line. It is full of awesome and win.
Pie > Cake.
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Satch, no ned for the Tigers to pack a lunch ... the Mildcats will BE lunch
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Wow what a play in the bowl game!
AP my lucky charm again. Every bowl game I’ve watched with AP so far has been good.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Might have spoken too soon.
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OC
Could we hire the West Virginia head coach to be our offensive coordinator? Great show by the Mountaineers.
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