Report: Chiefs Interviewed Jeff Fisher Last Week
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2012 11:41 AM CST
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PrintEarlier this morning I wrote this about the Kansas City Chiefs coaching search: "The "A" list name this year is Jeff Fisher, who is out of work right now, but I would guess he's not one of the guys who interviewed in KC considering Fisher's name has been in the media connected to multiple jobs already and we haven't heard him connected to the Chiefs."
And of course shortly after that news comes down that the Chiefs interviewed Fisher. Bob Gretz has the full story and all the details at BobGretz.com but, unfortunately for those of you who want Fisher, the report states nothing materialized beyond one meeting and Fisher will not be coming to KC.
Gretz's report jives with one we heard from ESPN this morning that the Chiefs conducted multiple interviews before the regular season ended.
Fisher's name has been attached to a number of jobs already this year (actually all of them) and the favorites appear to be the St. Louis Rams and Miami Dolphins.
So, outside of Fisher's interview, the known candidates for the Chiefs Romeo Crennel and Joe Philbin, the Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator who is reportedly interviewing with the Chiefs.
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Whoa...
So Gretz is breaking this?
Time to charge for content.
I don't get why people complain about Gretz charging for content
If you value the information you pay the outrageous sum of $25 per season, if not then you can just go to the other 100 sites with free content. It’s like complaining that a band you like doesn’t just give free downloads of their music. Gretz has bills to pay just like everyone else.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
You'd have to ask him
Considering that he’s done it two years in a row I can only assume it’s working out better than the free content model from before.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I'll see if I can find the stat I saw last year
It was startling how few subscribers he had…
But
100 paying subscribers is still more money than 1,000 free subscribers…
Depends on the ad revenue you can get for having 10 times as many subscribers.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I think
It’s because there are so many free sites and info out there. That’s why people get upset. If it’s news you will hear about it without paying.
I personally don’t care much for Gretz’s site because of the layout, that’s just me. I do think though if it’s so good and he gets a decent amount of page views why is he not making his extra cash off of advertising revenue?
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Which is exactly
Why I tell people not to complain about AP adds. It’s rare, but every once in awhile I see someone complain…I’m surprised Thorman’s don’t have more adds, personally…I know I would.
Exactly
and yes they should if they could. If given the opportunity, who wouldn’t sell out?
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Tamba wouldn't sell out.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He gets to do what he wants and get paid
nicely for it.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Actually I just added a do not track widget
It tells me how much my computer is being watched and ad blocks and sbnation so far has the highest of any of the other website I visit. It has 16 and normally its around 3-6.
Wow
It doesn’t seem like that. Good to know.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
You're obviously not surfing enough porn
:D
by Ochophosphate on Jan 4, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
of course... but only to go back and check the tracker hits
like reading Playboy for the articles.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I assume he can't make money off ad revenue because his site is one you'd visit only once per day
As opposed to AP, where there is new content hourly.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
this is pretty much it
AP and Gretz are two vastly different things … AP (what Joel tosses up) is based on news that’s already out there (Joel doesn’t do a whole lot of investigative reporting) and this site generates revenue thru multiple page hits (not just the main page stroies, but the fanposts as well)
so Gretz pretty much has to charge because he’s not tied in to multiple ads, etd … he’s a freelance operation and yes, has to generate income somehow
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He's way over rated anyway
Just keep RAC & go with it.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Or...
You can look at it that he had 5 losing seasons in 16.
People try to twist his .500 seasons to suit their argument.
I like RAC, but Fisher’s resume destroys his. That doesn’t mean he’s a better hire…RAC has some inherit advantages, like ease of transition. But Fisher is hardly overrated.
Twist it as postitive as you want.
.500 seasons don’t make you elite either.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
.500 seasons mean you're in a position to make the playoffs
As fans, all we can ask for is to be in the runing for the post season each year.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
How many took it in the AFC West this year?
If you’re getting to around 8 wins each year you’re in a position to make the playoffs.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Jesus Christ, you guys can't be this slow
An 8 win season puts you in the running for the playoffs. Also, if you’re teams are consistantly winning 8 games, you’re that much closer to a 9 or 10 wins.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
The Only 8 Win Team
Playing this Sunday is Denver correct? Or am I missing something?
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
hiv is assuming that the broncos are the SB champs
just cause you get there doesn’t mean shit
Thanks for putting words in my mouth
I’m going to let you in on a little known secret. Before you can win the Super Bowl you need to make the playoffs.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
So?
Does this make him a bad coach? I’ve stayed out of this dance because it happens in every Fischer thread. How can you judge a coach by simply looking at his W-L record, especially during an era where the Colts won double didgits EVERY YEAR?His teams consistantly were in the mix, I don’t remember any embarassing seasons where they weren’t even competitive.
I just think judging a coach by looking at his W-L record in a vacuum with no context is rediculous.
Plus, he isn’t coaching the Titans, he’ll be coaching the Chiefs, a team who is a QB away from being a perenial contender. The 1 good QB I can remember him having was Steve McNair and he took him a yard away from beating the Rams. So he didn’t win a bunch of Superbowls with Kerry Collins and VY, now he’s a bad coach?
by craig in calgary on Jan 4, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Past records do no guaratee future results.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Who said he was a bad coach?
I’m only saying he’s undeserving of the hype. He doesn’t have an elite resume, but people are treating him like he’s an elite coach. I don’t think he’d be a terrible hire. I just don’t think he’d be that great of a hire, and probably worse than RAC, given the whole fit thing.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Hype is hype
Fisher is just the biggest “name” coach who is actually going to coach again this year.
Nothing more.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
ahem - yard away from TYING the Rams
Titans were down 7, the TD and PAT would have only tied and sent it to OT.
Hate to belabor a point, but people often think that Fisher almost won that SB. Of course we don’t know if he would have gone for 2 there (would have seemed foolish) but in any case – it wasn’t for the win.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. And people also forget
That almost doesn’t count, unless you are playing horseshoes or hand grenades. Until the SB becomes a 7 game series (oh G-D no), it’s one and done.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Atomic Bombs, you can get close and still succeed
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
and dancing
I like me some up close dancing :)
2010 = The beginning of a dynasty
unless you know the chargers have their year end surge and go 10-12 wins
then your 8 win won’t even get you anywhere.
we should strive for a consistent 14 win season
or we’ll be the 2010 chiefs. Oh we’re in the playoffs? yay. and then we get beaten by the ravens
HIV you are also assuming that 8-8 means you've done well in your division
It doesn’t always end up that way. Look at Seattle last year as an example. YOu can can a winning record but don’e worse in your division that teams that had worse records and therefore not get into the playoffs.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Is this English? Are you just typing with closed fists?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 4, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, you're cute when you're angry.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Do you mean
that an 8-8 average record will include some 10-6 seasons
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade
sigh
You are right, I typed too fast and my lil hands couldn’t keep up with my thoughts. Yup you got it, all balled up into little fists… so how come it seems like you are the one who’s about to blow a stack?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I am NOT cleaning that up!
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
ha ha
I thought you’d laugh at that one.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
8 wins put you there if
Everyone in your division is mediocre.
I expect to be in the playoffs 50% of the Time, and that is asking to little IMHO
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
i prefer to be in the playoffs every year.
that is what consistency is. Win Division titles and all that to not just wildcard in every year
.500 teams are in a position where 1 more game can get them in the playoffs
You’re in the running.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
.500 could also mean 4-4, 5-5, 6-6
Or in a position to make the playoffs
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
When Fisher's fans are talking about his .500 seasons
they’re talking about entire seasons, not 5-5 partway through.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
And of Fisher's .542 average he made the playoffs 6 times in 17 years.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
agh reply fail
so it depends on how those .500 season play out – who you beat. If you are doing poorly in your division and ok out of it, then it’s a moot point.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
its not that i dont like Fisher but i hate the
He is the best and if we don’t get him we suck and didn’t try to put a winner in the field attitude.
This fan likes rac, because the team appears to be behind him, and his press conferences are worth 2 cents
by Okie Red on Jan 4, 2012 1:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You must have loved 2011
with the Chiefs finishing one game away from making the playoffs.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Beats the Hell out of 2009 when we were out of it from the start
I’ll take missing the playoffs by a game over being out of the running by week 8
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
If that's all it takes to satisfy you as a fan, that's cool.
Should have never fired Haley, I guess.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Haley didn't win 2 of the last 3.
Pretty sure Palko would’ve gone 0-3 to end the year.
Don't know if he would have or not.
Haley won four-straight earlier in the year.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Haley apologists
tell me he was ready to go to Orton, same as Crennel did.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Now I know you're just arguing to argue
Because there is no way you believe that.
Don't "know"
But we are all pretty sure Palko sucked
by Okie Red on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What I think 8-8 should mean
is that your team had a terrible year. A good team that has some bad luck, misfortune or what ever you want to call it should fall no less then 8-8. The team should be consistantly hiting at least a 10-6 mark and actually competeing in the playoffs not just hoping they might have won enough to get in if this team wins and that team loses and the moon rises at 5:46pm and the tide is high at ….. you get the point.
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
True...
But the last two years, and 3 of last 5.
Still not the point, the point is that you were competing for a playoff spot, typically all season, and likely the last game.
It’s being consistently competitive. Something the Chiefs have not been.
Chiefs won the division last year.
And finished one game back this year.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Ans didn't look like a legit playoff team either year.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Given that the Bengals, Broncos and current version of the Texans are in the AFC playoffs this year
The current Chiefs, with RAC at HC and Palko inactive, are plenty worthy of being in that discussion.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think they are Championship worthy, but not that different from these teams.
Apparently that doesn't matter.
It only matters that you finish .500 and are somewhat in the playoff race each year.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
What are you comparing him too?
RAC, right? I like the guy, but his resume is not Fisher’s.
I agree.
Neither of them have shown themselves to be great head coaches. Difference is, RAC’s run was a lot shorter (and therefore, more likely to improve), and that he’s just a way better fit in KC.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
yup
RAC had three years in Cleveland with well, who was on that team of any note? He’s got way more to work with here.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
RAC has a shitload more SB rings.
So there is that…
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Wasn't trying to be rude, 56.
I think you got the full gist of where I was coming from when you replied to me below.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Not totally true
In 17 season Fisher only went to the post season 6 times. Gruden went once every 2 years (5 times in 10 season), Cowher went 10x in 15 years. Having a mediocre .500 season doesn’t mean you will get into the playoffs it just means you don’t suck.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Corrected.
Having a mediocre .500 season doesn’t mean you will get into the playoffs it just means you don’t suck more than half the time.
I find it a little odd
That our org or fanbase would stick our noses up at 142-120 with 5 playoff wins and a yard from winning a Super Bowl.
And in another AFC Champtionship game
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
It's not about sticking our noses up
Fisher is a defensive guy, same as Crennel. Crennel has been with this team for 2 seasons and has done very well with our defense. Fisher has been out of work the past season and there is a chance he would want to coach a team that runs a 4-3 scheme because that’s what he prefers. It’s less about what Fisher has done and how awesome some think he is and more about trying to continue what’s been started as opposed to starting over.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
yes
Which is what I was referring to above. Inherit advantages to RAC, yes. But Fisher’s resume is far better.
Give me some detail on the "far" better.
I think RAC’s got a shitload of championship games and Super Bowls to go on…but they were only as an ass’t or as a defensive coordinator.
Fisher does have a good resume, and he spent most of Crennel’s DC years as a head coach. That’s one key advantage.
I’m just wondering what qualifies as “far” better, resume-wise…
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Oh...to me 142-120
vs. 24-40, would be the ‘far’ part.
There are equipment managers that have more rings than Fisher too, but we have to differentiate between the HC and the assistants.
Would you be ok with Weis being the HC?
The most attractive thing about Fisher, to me is that he is out of the NE/Pioli Family and it would show that Pioli is ‘learning’ and willing to step outside of his comfort zone.
That is not to say I hate the idea of RAC as HC, far from it. I do think that it is typical of AP to sh8t on someone once they are no longer a real possibility. If this post was about how Jeff Fisher was now the frontrunner for the job, the tone would be completely different in the comments.
All points valid, and well-put.
I was waiting for someone to start shitting on RAC, who I think “could” be a markedly better coach this time around…IF he learned to provide more structure and discipline. (Mighty big “IF” in my mind).
I’d be glad to have Jeff Fisher to coach here because he creates a culture of high expectations and intense play—two things we NEED in KC. However, his not being out of the Parcells/Belichick “tree” is cause enough for me to suspect that Pioli would never consider him. I wish Pioli could think more outside the box with these kinds of things…
Me, I’m not going to shit on a completely capable coach, and if he was a serious candidate for the job I’d be quite happy. But if I know he’s not going to make it becuase he doesn’t “fit our system,” I don’t spend a lot of time talking it over, either. That’s just me.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Agreed and agreed.
Also, for some coaches that make it to the next level (I’m not making a blanket ALL coaches remark here), they do it with their second team. Ok, but none (as far as I know) had 16.5 years on team number 1.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
RAC may not have years of head coaching and his winning percentage as a head coach may be less than someone who spent significantly more time doing it, that doesn’t make Fisher leaps and bounds better than Romeo. Also why would we want Fisher? Do we want a defensive minded HC who prefers a 4-3, so we can change our defensive scheme? Do you think Romeo would not take a HC position elsewhere if Fisher was offered the job here?
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly. Screw records.
I want the guy who will bring us the most success the fastest, and past records with different teams only matter a teensy tiny little bit.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I really Don't Want to Blow this Team Up
Again. I don’t want a flash in the pan, I’d like the consistency, which is why I tend to lean more toward RAC. I don’t see him as any bigger a risk than any other coach you bring in, but if you keep a guy that’s been here and let him continue what’s been started, that seems like an advantage.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you think the whole "blowing the team up" bit will be part of the interview process?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Maybe why Fisher kept moving.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No
I assume they just look at the resume and then there is a long awkward silence. Than Pioli and Clark look at each other, then tell Jeff thanks for stopping by.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Romeo has 5 rings as well
How many does Fisher have?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Well if thats the measuring stick, how many does McDaniels have?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
or Belichek's secretary.
Probably should get her hired, pronto.
Actually, I doubt that he would leave and he and Fisher would probably get along
great, but obviously, it’s immaterial. They probably told Fisher that Cassel was #1 and that’s when Fisher walked out.
If Jimmy would quit hawking boner pills, he might get a few calls
no one wants a head coach walking around with a 4 hour boner…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
He's made it pretty clear
He has no intention of returning to coaching.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 4, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
he has made it abuntantly clear that he loves boner pills...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
where can i get me some boner pills!?
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 4, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
You're in Canada, right?
can’t you get them from gumball machines at the grocery store?
by Ochophosphate on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Good to hear we interviewed him. I'm not really disappointed that he won't be coming here.
I’m more anxious about our OC choice than our HC choice, actually.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Agreed
I too am more anxious for the OC position to be filled or replaced. Id rather get McDaniels than McCoy tho.
yup I'll second that.
It’s our O that has had so many issues – moving the ball – and uhm, scoring! Our D is great, our O has potential. But that potential won’t be realized unless we get a QB that really does things. And an OC that knows how to make it happen.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
can someone post the article here
Can’t get to the Gretz site
Did we interview him for the OC position?
Justtttttttttt kidding.
I wouldn’t mind Fischer as HC. Players love Romeo and it might be a rough first year if you take away the favorite in the locker room.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
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Pioli ain't THAT ugly.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He saw our merry go round of QB's and the high level of Mediocrity and yeah, no.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Not really a merry go round
Cassel is the guy. That’s why he ran and didn’t look back.
And it somehow looks better in Miami or St Louis?
Please. The Chiefs look like perennial champions compared to those franchises.
Why
Would we hire another coach that has to be told what QB to play when we just fired a coach for refusing to bench Palko?
The problem is...
Whomever is signed as the new head caoch will have to use Cassel because he is Pioli’s guy. That’s enough to scare away most credible candidates.
Ancora imparo.
Not to mention
that he can choose his staff as long as McDaniels is the OC and the others have to be in the Parcels or NE family.
A Navy SEAL can swim 350ft. underwater with their hands and feet bound.
A good coach should be able to do that, too.
Watching Skip Baseless
salivate over Tim Tebow on First take right now
I normally skip skip
I rather not have a headache
Didn't Gretz also say that Arrowhead was changing its name on Oct. 31?
Actually asking; I don’t remember.
Damn, unfortunate if the reports are true he won't be coming here
He would be a great addition. I’m betting that he wants full control of personnel decisions, as most veteran, successful coaches end up with going to new coaching jobs. Probably none more so than Fisher after the Vince Young/Bud Adams fiasco, I can definitely see him wanting more control than Pioli is probably willing to relinquish
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
correction
vince young was a good QB..until he went crazy
cassel is mediocre
Palko/Haley was tit for tat.
Haley was just showing Pioli how pissed he was that he had to play Cassel and didn’t have any decent backups.
Ancora imparo.
WHich is why Haley got fired for acting like a 3rd grader and Fisher
is more sought after cause he handled the situation better in TEN.
I'm not defending Haley.
He had to go. But I don’t think Fisher is an upgrade over Crennel. And what we really need is a great OC.
Ancora imparo.
I dont know about upgrade
a step up maybe but not enough of a difference for me to care if it is him or RAC
Correction: VY was not a good QB.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Jan 4, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions
Per wikipedia:
Vince Young would finish his Titans career with a 30-17 record (63.8%) over five years.60 During that span, the Titans compiled a record of 15-18 (45.5%) without Young.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 4, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
if this is the case
That we did interview fisher last week and nothing happend it has to be 2 things with this and 1. I think he wanted to know who the qb was going to and its going to cassel thats a big no no.2. maybe not enough money or whatever else. imo, i dont think its going to be anybody any of us want because of cassel
I LOVE MY CHIEFS OH YEAH, B.Flowers is way underrated but they will all be witnesses!!! (sorry lebron)
by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 4, 2012 11:55 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It' probably more on the chiefs than fisher
we’re trying to weigh our options…but who’s better than fisher?
Not necessarily "who's better", but "who's a better fit".
I think that’s the most important aspect. We have a team that has shown it can win. Now we need a coach that can take (mostly) the same talent to the next level.
Do we have the right personnel for a Jeff Fisher team?
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by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
our offense is based off the running
wouldn’t cowher be the better option?
Maybe, but he was always more of a power-running scheme.
He loved to smash teams in the mouth with Bettis and just wear teams down. Our offensive personnel seem more designed to get to the edges.
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by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
battle+jones to pound the middle, charles to finish them off
or we could get tolbert and hit everybody in the face
Gotta look at the O-line there too though.
One thing we don’t do well is smash defenses in the mouth. 3rd/4th and short situations have killed us for the last couple of years because we can’t overpower the opposition.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
He looks like a man who could run a finesse type game.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Why does the picture of him smiling scare me more than anything else?
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by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Because he's not smiling.
He’s picking his teeth with his mustache.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Emotion = spittle.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Tony Dungy never cared?
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 4, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Dungy built an all-world defense in Tampa
He must not have cared, though.
Haley Had emotion
for all the good that did us
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
chin would be good
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 4, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Cowher+Lattimore
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
oooooooooo pretty......
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I would love it...
until 3 years later when Lattimore can’t even walk anymore. I’m a huge fan, but he’s been a workhorse already, and now has an injury history to be concerned about. A coach like Cowher would end his career within a couple years.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
His shelf life is going to be pretty short.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit. Dream over.
That’s ok, I have others.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Cowher is no longer a coach
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by groundedchevy on Jan 4, 2012 12:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Eh, let Miami or St Louis have him.
Same with Jon Gruden, Brian Billick, Bill Cowher, or any of these other guys who aren’t coaching right now.
They are going to want complete control, and that would cause problems. Regardless of any personal feelings for Pioli, we all recognize that he’s in charge of putting the team together. So it’s better that he has a coach that is on board with his philosophy.
The worst case scenario is that we get a big name coach, and in 3 years we’re still terrible and have to fire one of them…and choose wrong.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
yes but on the other hand
Pioli needs to consider people other than his old Patriots cronies. There’s a lot of talent in the world so interview as many as is reasonable and hire the best guy – not just somebody you knew from the good old days.
While I don’t want Gruden or Billick (I might be able to live with Cowher) I also understand that a lot of those guys want full control because as a HC they’ve been in the position before of having to make a turd sandwhich before because their GM only brought in turds.
But you want somebody who is on the same page.
Otherwise you end up with situations like they’ve had in San Diego, Jacksonville, and Miami where both the GM and HC are on hot seats, but you have no idea which one (or is it both?) is really holding the team back.
If the HC and GM are on the same page, and the team doesn’t do well, then it’s easier. You just call for a clean slate.
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by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Probably just to satisfy the Rooney Rule
Oh wait, racial discrimination rules never apply to white guys….
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
He fits...if the rooney rule...
the includes exquisite staches…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
all kinds of fail...
the includes exquisite staches…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
very good point.
He’s definitely in the minority for fantastic facial hair.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
He has a terrbible 'stache.
There is nothing Tom Selleck-esque about Fisher’s ’stache.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Fischer has more of a 'butt broom' stache...
a different beast all together…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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At least they aren't this
Then again that’d put the fear into opposing teams!
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Cheese Head.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I wonder...is pioli interviewing all these coaches to lower the contract offered to RAC?
Well we could have fisher, cowher, etc
but we’ll take you if you will take a pay cut
He's just being thorough, just like draft scouting.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah, they look at hundreds of college players.
And every time you hear a report, people get all excited, one way or another. As you said, it’s all just part of being thorough. There is nothing to lose by taking a look.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Price of a plane ticket and a night at Hereford House.
Actually, now that I think about it, that does sound a little expensive.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Maybe when you're not playing with Hunt family money.
(And, when you are playing with Hunt family money, Clark wants you to order the cheapest steak, water instead of a soft drink, and make sure the coaching candidate flies coach.)
Just because nothing materialized doesn't mean he won't be coming does it?
Doesn’t that just sound like he’s checking out his options?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Damn you.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 4, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Hope is a disease. Tarkus,
is the cure.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
If Pioli is being thorough and checking out multiple candidates,
Then you have to assume that those candidates are being thorough too and going on multiple interviews. I for one would be a little nervous if a candidate came in here and first interview, first job, took it spot on, ya know?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
a lot to consider ...
is the offensive minded or defensive?
how much control does he want vis-a-vis players and/or coaches?
does he buy into the ZBS or want Power Blocking (whole new Oline?)
does his scheme work with our players?
can he adapt his scheme if it doesn’t?
what does Pioli want in a HC and is Pioli happy with the D right now?
if so, does he value Crennel and the 3-4 over a possible 4-3?
E-P or West Coast Offense?
Matt Cassel or Draft or Orton or Flynn?
questions, questions …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
yep
And to add to your list of questions, does the hire mean we’ll have to start all over again, rebuilding the team in a new image? Only to have it go haywire in a few years?
As we’ve talked back and forth about, this could well be Pioli’s job too on the line. Make it or break it hire.
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 4, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
the "start all over" is built in to the personnel vs scheme issues ... but yeah, that's a question Pioli and the candidate would discuss
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I didn't see "win-loss record with a totally different team" in your list.
What kind of list doesn’t have “win-loss record with a totally different team” in it?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Tarkus cures hope, but does little to nothing for the strange burning sensation. Just FYI.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
Any team who has an opening is a potential option
worst case he can use a team like KC as leverage to get more money
I think is great
that the Chiefs are interviewing a lot of candidates. I remember when the Steelers’ fans and media thought either Russ Grimm or Ken Whisenhunt (in house coaches) were in line to take the job. Out of the blue came Mike Tomlin and the rest is super bowl history. RAC is the obvious choice but you have to interview all possible candidates. You never know, you might hit the jackpot!
Good!
Who wants an average HC who has a reputation for coaching dirty teams?!
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 4, 2012 12:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I thought Finnegan was the only dirt on that team.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
as much as i dislike him on their team
I would love to have him on ours.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
We disagree.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Oh right.
Actually, seeing what he’s done since, I’d tend to give Fisher high marks for keeping him under relative control.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Not sure that is fair....
He didn’t have a 100 mil contract in Nashville
Arrowhead pride addict
by groundedchevy on Jan 4, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Damn, First Take is raw today...
Done got racial.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Let me know when it gets religious.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Maybe god will coach the team?
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 4, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
not likely ... probably wants too much control, Pioli would never go for that
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'd be alright.
Right up until Pioli told Him who His quarterback had to be and fired Him for not listening (well, and because he refused to shave).
I'm completely against the hiring of Philbin
Their offense is only successful because of Rodgers. He looks like a great coach because he has a great QB. They lack a running game. This applies to most successful OC with a good QB. I’d rather promote a guy who has very little to nothing to work with and has mediocre to decent success, because we have the talent on our offense to do good things with even the slightest intelligence running the show. He may be a good coach, but anyone can run a successful offense with Rodgers at the helm.
come on baby light my fire ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
gosh i hope its not jeff fisher, and aP doesnt have trolls.
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
High five!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That little girl learned a valuable lesson that day
when someone is bigger and meaner come back with friends and take your stuff back
I respect all of the support for Crennel but I have never heard any decent arguments
as to why he should be the HC. I like him too and I think he’s a great guy and great DC but I can’t see him as anything but a mediocre step to the Chief’s future. Someone please tell me why he is the HC that will take the Chief’s to the SB.
Hmmm...
I don’t know that I can tell you why he WILL take the Chiefs to the SB… but here’s what I have to say about Romeo:
He may not have the best HC record… but neither does Fisher. He may not have had the best talent in Cleveland… just like Fisher in Tennessee. He may not be the big flashy prize like Fisher.
But we are not getting Fisher because we’d have to mortgage the future to get the QB he’d want and that still might not be enough. We’ve got too many holes that need to be filled. Sure we can trade draft picks and then spend a bunch of money in FA. That might work, but that’s how Peterson operated. That’s not Pioli.
With Crennel, he’s already got the support of the locker room. We know who he is. He is a safe choice. He’s smart enough to know what he doesn’t know. They’ll bring in someone like Philbin to run the offense and leave the defense to Romeo, which is his specialty. Kansas City has always had this feel of being a team that was all about heart and family. The great coaches we’ve had over the last few decades have all had the support of the players on the team. I’m not convinced Haley did. Not in the end. He was trying too hard to be one of the guys and be their buddy, not their boss. That won’t work. Crennel is professional enough to keep it clear that they can have a good relationship, but he’s still in charge. They will respect him. And they’ll work their butts off for him. But most of all, hiring Crennel as your HC keeps a certain amount of continuity in the coaching structure going forward. We don’t get set back too badly by a brand new coaching staff wanting to reinvent the wheel. The defense looks good, no reason to change it, so no reason to change up Crennel. Bring someone in who can take advantage of the talent we have and find the right pieces to complete the offense.
And honestly, I think Crennel might just be about to take us deep in the playoffs because of all of this.
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Falcon,
Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciate your viewpoint but IMO, many of your reasons are the exact reasons why our Chief’s keep being mediocre or even below average. I know the players like Crennel, how could they not. He is a very nice guy from anything I’ve ever seen or heard. I don’t see Fisher as trying to be big "Flashy" like you said. Fisher, I believe, is a smart coach and after having a year to think about it, I’m sure that he has some very specific ideas on how to build a SB team. My question was not about Fisher, but since you brought it up, I really do think that he will do very well for someone. I also think most players liked him too.
Just your thought that Fisher wants a quality QB to me is a great plus that many of us have been saying for years. If this team is ever going to be a SB team, many of us agree that a top level QB is a necessity. In fact,
I believe that QB is by far the Chief’s biggest shortcoming. Once you get the right QB, it is much easier to bring in the other pieces. Guys do want to play for a winner. The other big area that you and many mention is respect and continuity . I agree, very important but these attributes go right out the door when things start going wrong. Again, I appreciate your input but to me it’s just another step forward to mediocrity for our Chief’s. JMO.
I wasn't saying Fisher is a "flashy coach", but that he is the big shiny coaching candidate.
The Flashy Hire.
He is a smart coach. But the biggest issue for Fisher is going to a team with a young potential superstar QB either already on their team or potentially available in the draft. I don’t disagree with the need to get a franchise QB… we definitely need one… but with our current talent situation, I’d personally rather see the Chiefs spend this years’ FA money and draft picks trying to fill in as many of the remaining holes as possible, rather than spending 2 to 3 picks this year and next to move up and get Luck or RGIII. I think we’d handicap ourselves doing that. However, we do have the cash, so maybe they are planning to do this and spread the cash through FA. I want to be able to protect that QB, give him weapons to work with and depth in case of injuries. We’ve barely got 1 of those 3 things right now. I can live with Cassel or Orton for one more year if necessary. My offseason plan would actually be to drop both of those guys and go for Flynn, but that’s probably a pipe dream.
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I agree and disagree. I think we need the QB now. Actually, our OL played OK
much of the time as in the GB game. If we have a QB that can make decissions and move the ball, the OL looks a lot better. Get and grow with RGIII and use FA to build other areas the best we can and I think this team would take off right away.
I think the same with Flynn. Get him and build around him but #1 to me should be the QB. To continue building and then fill in a QB later, just seems backwards to me. QB is much more important to me than the coach. Again, I like Crennel but I really don’t see him making a big difference. However, RGIII or Flynn really could and I think it is time to take the risk. Not to, keeps this team at mediocrity.
If Fisher is smart
He’ll go to Tampa – nobody seems to be keying on that though.
There is some connection to STL – Kevin Demoff is the Rams COO – and his dad is Fisher’s agent.
Miami is a better choice than Stl, but Tampa is the best of the bunch. Tampas owners don’t interfere, they have the money and aren’t afraid to spend it. He may have issues in Miami if they keep Mike Nolan. Much like we discussed here, Nolan runs a 3-4 and Fisher is a 4-3 guy.
I’d say he should go to Florida – either Tampa or Miami. If he goes to Stl he’s digging his own grave.
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