Chiefs Interviewing Packers Offensive Coordinator, According To Report
by Joel Thorman on Jan 4, 2012 8:09 AM CST
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PrintIt's been awfully quiet on the Kansas City Chiefs head coaching search with interim coach Romeo Crennel as the only known candidate but we now have another name to throw into the ring -- Joe Philbin. He's the Green Bay Packers offensive coordinator and, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Chiefs are scheduled to interview Philbin tonight.
Even more interesting is that Schefter reports the Chiefs have had "several interviews" for the head coaching job. We don't know the names of any of those guys, outside of Crennel and now Philbin.
Philbin came to Green Bay in 2003 as the assistant offensive line coach and took over the offensive line by 2006. In 2007, he was named the Packers offensive coordinator, a position he's held ever since.
The only connection to the Chiefs I see with Philbin is a friend-of-a-friend sorta thing -- he coached with Kirk Ferentz at Iowa back at the turn of the century (I always wanted to say "turn of the century'). I'm sure there are other connections we don't know about.
We'll be getting to know Philbin more in the coming days (or hours, really).
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Sometimes it’s OK to date new people, instead of always going through a friend of a friend.
The only connection to the Chiefs I see with Philbin is a friend-of-a-friend sorta thing — he coached with Kirk Ferentz at Iowa back at the turn of the century (I always wanted to say "turn of the century’). I’m sure there are other connections we don’t know about.
The NFL and the coaching circle is pretty small
Everyone knows everyone or knows someone who knows them. It’s probably 1-2 degrees of separation from the GM to every coach in the league.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Pioli has to hit on the new coach
Crennel or whomever, Pioli has to do it right, it’s his last chance too.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Would love this hiring.
that performance by Flynn was because a great system and great coaching are in place.
Obviously because he was out there
but Just like the eagles for the last 14 years with QB’s and Denver in the late 90’s and 2000’s with RB’s. Systems make most players
I thought it was the scheme that makes the players
that’s how we got tricked into getting Cassel and that’s how Arizona got tricked into getting Kolb
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Systems and the right players.
It’s never just the system and rarely just the player. If you put Montana in the old Raiders, stretch the field offense he probably wouldn’t have done well because he didn’t have that kind of arm but put him in the West Coast and he was awesome. Put Jamaal Charles in a Power Running offense and he may make some plays but he wouldn’t be as effective.
A good coach finds the right players for his system and can adjust his system to the players strengths.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
ept and I (and Mills) had a discussion on this last night ...
which raised a lot of questions … ZBS or Power Blocking, E-P or West Coast? get HC/OC/DC for the personnel … or scrap it all for different system, philosophy and perhaps players?
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Defense stick with it but offense could be changed, not blown up
Our defense had some bad games this year but started coming along towards the end. With Berry back next year I could see this being a top 5-10 defense. I wouldn’t want to mess with that. The personel on that side is pretty set. Plus with the 3-4 there are lots of ways to run it so if the next guy wanted to tweak it, then thats fine but for the most part its set.
Offense, I don’t know if we are at a point where we can just blow it up player wise. There is some talent there but I think it has been misused over the last 3 years. Our line is still more set for a zone-blocking scheme. Asamoah and Hudson are both not that big and both will probably be starters next year. I would like an offense that uses the backs and TEs more. I could see Cassel doing better with more of the Saunders/Air Coryell offense. He’s not good at making reads and may be better just throwing to a spot.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
System's part of it, but Flynn's no slouch
He obviously had some decent talent coming out of college, although I would caution one to not take such a small sample size as that recent performance and assume it would hold up all that well. The more film there is on a guy, the more teams are going to be able to defend him.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
I'd be interested to see this happen
Hire Philbin, keep RAC, sign Flynn in FA? We keep Bowe and draft another playmaker and well have the makings of great offense AND defense.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Jan 4, 2012 8:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Flynn looked good
but what scares the junk out of me us past expierence and overpaying for nothing
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Didn't Flynn look putrid in the pre-season
against us. I think that was him, he hit like 2 passes and looked bad.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Kevin Kolb bad
or Scott Mitchell bad?
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That was the game Cassel played into the third Qtr and Flynn was playing. Cassel looked better, but he was playing with his starters.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
Yeah, I remember
I’m hopping it’s like Washington or Seattle or someone like that who falls for the Matt Flynn trick. Basically anyone but us….
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Haven't GB backups been pretty decent when they've left
Hasselbeck, Brunnel. I thought there was at least one other.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Is this for the HC gig?
or the OC?
I do not like this move if its for the HC gig, but approve if for the OC spot
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Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
Would you leave Arron Rodgers for a once in a lifetime chance
to OC Cassel?
Ummm…yeah…it’s the HC gig.
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by KC_Satchmo on Jan 4, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I'm sure we could think of lots of reasons why he would do it
I was mostly just being silly. But it is the HC gig. You don’t start interviewing OCs before you have your HC. We can all assume that it’s going to be Romeo, but until it is, we aren’t going to do shit about the OC position.
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It worked for Dallas
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Huh?
Dallas made JG interim, then they hired him as their official HC…then he hired Rob Ryan to DC and never hired an OC.
Am I missing something?
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He was actually hired as the OC
then they hired Wade Phillips as the HC
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
ah
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unless ... Pioli's already decided on HC and just hasn't told anyone
be it Crennel or someone else
You don’t start interviewing OCs before you have your HC
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You know how RAC keeps saying
“We’ll wait and see and we’ll let all the chips will fall and hope things work itself out”
Perhaps he is aware of his age and health (Monte Kiffin); he may have already talked with Pioli upon the Haley firing that he’d stay as DC and helped HC the team until Pioli finds the next HC. I’m hoping RAC is happy to be DC as much as he would not mind being the HC.
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
This is a valid point. Head coach is long hours. I bet RAC still wants to be around the team, but might not be excited about the late nights/early mornings.
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why Satch! that there's what you ca;;; a challenge ... all guys like a challenge!
Would you leave Arron Rodgers for a once in a lifetime chance to OC Cassel?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
It's not a challenge
It’s a fool’s errand
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when you get paid what those guys do, makes no difference what you call it :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thanks for being an ass.
It was one damn question and I didn’t see anything in the article.
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Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
My thoughts exactly
That would be great if he is interviewing for OC position. People say that coaches in those positions typically don’t make lateral moves…. uh yeah they do, it’s called getting paid more.
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But only if their contract is up.
Otherwise, the NFL locks ‘em in unless it’s a move up.
so coaches are not allowed to lateral if under contract?
seems a bit strange
What's strange about it?
If Tom Brady is under contract to be the QB for the Patriots, should he be allowed to take a lateral move to be the QB of the Vikings?
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Philbin is a curious candidate
He doesn’t call the plays in Green Bay, McCarthy does that. He also isn’t responsible for the QBs or the WRs, the stellar attributes of the Packer offense.
What's really important here
Is this guy related to Regis and if so, will Kelly Ripa (or whatever) start wearing a Chiefs Cheerleader costume on her shitty morning show?
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matt flynn and him would be
Interesting he could end up being another matt shaub. Or another matt Cassel but we will have weapons here and flynn might flourish ugh anything better than Cassel
by rickrock58 on Jan 4, 2012 8:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Did you watch Flynn play?
Because he looked like a less confident version of Matt Cassel to me. I’m pretty sure the ’11 regular season finale will go down as the highlight of his career.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
He had a good game against NE last year also
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
against us
In preseason we were playing our first team against flynn and his second thrid stringers. With the first string he looked good against a team that shut down Cassel
by rickrock58 on Jan 4, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
if we don't upgrade the OLine he'd look precisely like Cassel
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If we don't upgrade Cassel
our OL will continue to look shitty.
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our oline looked better
With Orton and im sure we will upgrade our oline in the offseason
by rickrock58 on Jan 4, 2012 9:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This
I line didn’t look AS bad with Orton . I mean he was only sacked 1 time in three games. Grant it weigman needs to go and brich needs replacement but I still think cassel makes the line look worse than it is
by chiefsman! on Jan 4, 2012 9:08 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
we moved the ball from 20 to 20 but still have MAJOR issues in the Red Zone
we have NO push on the interior and Lilja took a couple of steps backward … I agree Orton is better than Cassel (that’s like saying McDonald’s is better than a mud pie) and yeah, we CAN get by and win with Orton, but still not enough when you have no short game and no ability to punch the ball in from the 2 yard line
OLine needs major and immediate help …
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keep Orton, dump Cassel and Draft Oline...
Orton is easily as good as Flacco…I’d prefer Orton to Flacco…
We can get to the big show and win with Orton…Let’s focus on the Oline and continue to get depth on Defense this year in the draft…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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Cassel = McDonald's, Orton = Winstead's
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I think our oline is probably better than theirs
Rodgers being able to move around in the pocket helps cut down on their sacks
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
What about Joe Lombardi?
For OC? Assuming we keep RAC as HC. He’s the QB coach for the Saints and has obviously done some nice things with Brees. It’d be a decent person to look at I think. Wondering what other coaches we have interviewed and if they are just going through these as a formality but keep RAC. Or if we hire a new HC is Pioli telling these guys they have to keep RAC as DC, assuming RAC accepts that.
I would rather go after Tom Clements
He fixed Rodgers throwing motion and helped him become more accurate. Brees had already had a good 1 1/2 years in SD
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Exactly
As a QB coach, Clements has helped the likes of Elvis Grbac, Kordell Stewart, and Tommy Maddox reach the Pro Bowl as well as standout players like Rodgers. If we are looking for a new starting QB for next season, I’d like to have him working with Clements.
Does anyone get the feeling that...
the reason we aren’t hearing “said names of said interviews” or “bigger names” is because our team isn’t that attractive for two reasons:
Cassel
Pioli
Nope
Coaches always make the mistake of thinking they have the magic wand to fix the QB. We aren’t hearing names because if you get caught leaking info out of Arrowhead, they shitcan you.
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I was watching NFL network when Haley was fired
and I remember Brain Bellick (spelling?) asked if was interested in coaching again, he said this is a GM’s leauge and he would have no control and go sit in a office and do nothing. He didn’t say Pioli but they were talking about Haley.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
No, but their was this part...
Even more interesting is that Schefter reports the Chiefs have had “several interviews” for the head coaching job. We don’t know the names of any of those guys, outside of Crennel and now Philbin.
There is a chance that someone like Fischer has already been through KC, hence his comments about wanting a stable QB situation. The season also just ended and they probably wanted things to be quiet in the media.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I would say the good thing about Phillbin he he would keep RAC
It is hard to say how much he is involved with the success of GB, but I doubt you pay someone OC salary to hold a clipboard.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 4, 2012 8:48 AM CST reply actions
Perception is a funny thing
I can remember how the consensus thinking around here when Romeo was hired was that he didn’t really do anything in NE and Hoodie was the real DC.
Of course Phillbin has a job and he’s obviously good at it. Does that mean he’d be a good HC? No idea….
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That wasn't the consensus thinking, that was just the loudest thinking.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That's probably true
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My Guess
the unheard interviews are internal candidates that you can keep in house. I either want Offensive coaches from GB or NO. NO would make more sense due to ties with Payton, Parcells, and PIoli. Those two clubs have been top 10 scoring offenses 4 times since 2006.
by chiefsnation64436 on Jan 4, 2012 8:50 AM CST reply actions
I hope they interview a lot of people
In fact what bothers me most about Pioli is his penchant for favoring ex-Patriots. I really don’t care where our next HC comes from or the coaching tree he’s from so long as he is good!
KC Satchmo ur point was
ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE…comparing a coach moving to another team to take a job to a player doing the same thing is ridiculous. Of course a player cant up and change teams…if that was the case a lot of teams wouldnt have players
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by JustaArrowheadDude on Jan 4, 2012 9:03 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Do you even understand what the word contract means?
The team is under no obligation to let a coach, under contract, go work for someone else. Just as they don’t let players, under contract, go work for another team.
But you did use all caps so…YOU WINZORZ!!!!
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I'm pretty sure a team doesn't HAVE to allow a coach under contract interview for a promotion with another team
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Whatshisnuts is HC of Arizona
keep your teams straight
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by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Anybody could be the OC for Green Bay and look good.
They have so much talent at WR and QB its unreal..
Eh, I'd be more excited to hear we were interviewing their QB coach.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'd rather it was the QB hisself ;-)
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by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Winner! :)
Hire him as the OC/QB Coach then demote him to starting QB :D
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Start Stanzi! Palko is terrible. Orton started, close enough. CHECK
Sign Orton to an extension!
No to RG3
Haley needs Fired! CHECK
Martz was let go by Chicago - possible OC?
Does he make sense as an OC hire based on our current personnel? He was OC for the Rams when they had “the greatest show on turf”with Warner slinging the ball everywhere. I don’t think we have a QB on the roster that could play that role.We’dhave to get a QB that can provide a credible downfield threat.
He makes perfect sense
If you feel like wondering why we’re not using JC.
Time for that dude to stop living off the success they had with all that talent in STL. Dude is a bad OC who hasn’t evolved and gets QBs killed.
Pass.
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heh, can you imagine Cassel running his scheme?
The Players Union would probably file a PTSD grievance against the Chiefs on his behalf
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Agreed.
He’s a one trick pony who was blessed enough to have a lot of success for a brief moment.
Plus, the way people around here complain about Pioli’s supposed ego….Martz could even teach Whitlock a thing or two about big egos.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Okay - thanks for confirming what my initiall reaction was
and that’s a “no thanks!”
No Thanks to Martz or Philbin
McCarthy is in charge of the offense for the Packers and he calls the plays and Martz seems to stay only for a season or two for whatever the reasons
I guess we can all surmise Joel's opinion of Philbin
from his choice of the head-pat picture.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I know a little about Philbin and am not impressed.
I don’t know anything about Clements. Therefor, Clements > Philbin.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hard to know what to think of Philbin
Sometimes a coordinator is just along for the ride, more or less. I think the guy would be a good pick as an OC with full control of the offense, if McCarthy is indeed the playcaller there. I’m unsure about him as HC.
Really, a guy’s going to have to be a pretty successful OC, preferably coming from a background of coaching under a HC with a defensive background, for me to think he’d be right for such a promotion. Ideally Crennel would either be HC with a decent OC under him or be open to returning to the DC position.
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by burntorangehorn on Jan 4, 2012 10:49 AM CST reply actions
Now we're talkin' !
Romeo would be a pretty safe choice, but passing offense is obviously what’s driving the league now.
Although their are some good defenses in this years playoffs, it’s no coincidence that Brady, Rogers, Brees, and Rothlisberger lead the four teams that are the likely Superbowl Favorites.
You simply don’t win consistently without a big time QB and passing offense. Maybe Flynn has the potential….I like his potential upside as much as anyone else.
I wouldn't include Roethlisberger in that group personally
He’s good, but he’s not at the same level as the other three. I don’t know that I’d call the Steelers a Super Bowl favorite this year either.
With this interview it may show us a lot about whether Cassel stays or go
If Philbin comes on board, bye bye Cassel.
If nothing happens, Cassel stays : (
Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 1:33 PM CST reply actions
But is Pioli married to Cassel?
I hope not. Pioli’s time is running out if we don’t move forward, time for a new QB or SP is done here
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 4, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
I love
how everyone seems to agree that McCarthy calls the plays, but still rate Clements higher than Philbin as an OC? The seasons he was OC for the Bills, they were pedestrian to say the least.
Caption this:
McFly! Hello! McFly! Just my 1st thought when I saw the picture.
You Play to Win the game!!!
Philbin
I still think that Crennel deserves Head Coach job but Philbin is interesting as possible successor to Bill Muir as OC. He could help lure Matt Flynn to sign with Chiefs for less dollars than perhaps otherwise possible and then choose between Orton and Cassel to retain. As far as I am aware the Chiefs owe no more guaranteed money to Cassel. I would prefer that Chiefs keep Orton. He has a stronger arm sideline to sideline and can stretch defenses further down field. He has also never had the recievers before than he will have in 2012. Assuming Chiefs can sign Flynn( big if) I would be Ok with team renegotiating with Cassel for lower dollars if bidding for Orton goes to high but only if Flynn gets a legitimate chance to earn starting job.
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