I Need Answers
by Flowers24 on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM CST
Email
PrintHey guys, I'm writing a big piece on the Chiefs and while I feel I'm capable of doing it I wanted to see where my opinions fit among the masses. Below I'm going to post some questions about the team and I want your thoughts.
Just to be clear, I'm not going to be copying and pasting anything you guys say or anything like that, I just wanted to see how correct my perceptions of our team are. Being a part of this community for years, I know the kind of fans you are and I couldn't respect a group any more than this one. Without further adieu:
Most overrated?
Player on the rise?
Biggest need in the draft?
Crennel: Is he a good hire?
Finally, who's the best player on the defense?
Thanks very much to everyone who responds. I really appreciate gaining your insight
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
263 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Underrated:Moeaki
Overrated:Mims
Rise:TJ
Need:QB
Hire:Sure, why not
Best player:Actually, I’ll take DJ over EB by a nose
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
Mims isn't overrated, he's just the most joked about
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Mims can become a HOF'er, and because of the jokes, I'll still call him overrated.
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
so, this much huh
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
There are people who believe he’ll actually replace Richardson. For that group he’s definitely overrated.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 31, 2012 5:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
hallucinogenics ... get yours today!
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hey, he has the potential to be better than Barry.
Give the kid a chance! He could potentially be our RT of the future!
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Because of his size? Richardson was actually drafted and I think it still took him two years on the PS. Why would you expect an UDFA to have a higher ceiling?
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 31, 2012 5:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Small school guy, raises the diamond-in-the-rough potential.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah, what Bsrkr said.
When a small school guy is way better than everyone else in his Division, you don’t really know how he’ll do in the pros.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Then you drill a little deeper, and check his measurables.
And maybe that’s where the guy falls short, and so you drill a little deeper, to see if maybe he can shift from LB to S or from DE to LB.
I’d also cast a wide net for the physical freaks, like that bowling-ball guy, I think they called him “Gorilla,” or something, from Colorado School of Mines. I can see where he’d be dismissed out of hand, and maybe it was just that he was sharing the field with slower players, but just watching that freak in isolation, it was amazing how he moved all that weight around, and it was all muscle.
MAN, I bet I could find a job for a guy like that. Maybe just be my prototype short-yardage back that changes everything people thought about running the football, and brings back memories of The Fridge. And maybe he’s a guy I bring in for power packages and just slam him from TE into the middle and the HB just follow him. Clear a hole, no matter what, with a 300-pounder, whose pad level’s about 6 inches off the ground and he can go from zero to sixty in about three steps.
would of ≠ would've
With all they have to play with, there prob'ly ought to be more serious attention to walk-ons.
And although this response is out-of-sequence, I don’t buy that “He’s a project, who’ll take time to develop” stuff. I think if he’s got what it takes and your coaches have their act together, he quickly starts swimming, or he earns a Darwin Award, if you get my meaning.
would of ≠ would've
small school guy that had no dedicated offensive line coach at that school
all he has is size atm.
He’s gonna need a lot of work.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Yep
If he’s ever any good, it wont be for at leat another year or two.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
They must like his potential.
Since they protected him from the practice squad late in the season.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
I don't argue that, but he's not the savior riding in on a white horse.
He may some day be very good.. then again.. he may some day get cut from the team without ever seeing the field.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think there's a white horse in the world strong enough to support Mims.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
on that we can agree
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynicism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Tyson
Overrated: Matt C
OTR: Kendrick Lewis
Need: QB or OL
Hire: I agree with it
Best Player: Hmm Can there be a tie? If so Berry DJ and Hali. If not. the DJ.
Bleedin Red & Gold... and Purple... since 1992.
by chiefs_fan_forever on Jan 31, 2012 5:19 PM CST reply actions
how in the hell can you say Cassel is overrated?
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
I still don’t understand were people are getting the “Pioli is madly in love with Matt Cassel” stuff
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli makes roster decisions.
He has kept Cassel even though he’s been wildly inconsistent. Therefore, people view that as sticking with Cassel for too long (i.e. “Pioli is madly in love with Matt Cassel.”)
good God you make me want to go find a decent pistol to shoot myself with
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
That is why I support a man's right to arms...
everyone should have the right to shoot themself.
Yeah. I chose a Beretta, because it'll last a long time and is easy to clean.
Cuz I’ll be too busy after the incident to have much time for cleaning my weapon. It also keeps its resale value, so I’d have that goin’ for me.
would of ≠ would've
because a mediocre pistol just won't do...
good God you make me want to go find a decent pistol to shoot myself with
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
Name 3 QBs (FA or through the draft) that the chiefs had a legitimate chance on
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
And that is after 2008 or 2009. He played in the probowl, so only an idiot would have gotten rid of him after 2010
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Hang on, now...
….I’m just explaining the logic behind that thinking. I sure hope the Chiefs don’t really make you wanna shoot yourself…
I think the move was good at the time, and I actually think (after much debate even in my own mind) that Cassel deserves one more shot (the dude has had a different OC every year he’s been here).
To elaborate...
…I’ve even as recently as these past few weeks mentioned Cassel should probably be done. I go back and forth on it all the time.
Cassel is one of the more polarizing figures on our team.
I’m officially (today) on the keep Cassel bandwagon (until tomorrow).
Polarizing on AP, but that's the QB's job.
Been some rumors going around about Cassel. We certainly watch him like a hawk, and look for every flaw.
would of ≠ would've
We should have put down Haley after our playoff run
it would have been better for all parties considered in 20/20 hindsight
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Of mice And Men
or Coaches
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Jan 31, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Weird how this was brewing so long.
Still don’t know the whole story, who the bad guy was, or if there even was a bad guy.
I have a feeling things might settle down, and, for whatever reason, run more smoothly, now. My suspicion is that there was something chafing Haley, maybe personnel, and he couldn’t keep a lid on it. That’s the trouble with honest and open people when they find themselves at odds.
would of ≠ would've
Scott Pioli was chafing Todd Haley
When the GM hates his Head Coach, that is striking to me
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
to follow on that
Todd Haley grew up as the son of a Very Good Personal guy on a team that won multiple NFL Championships.
I think it was very simple that Haley only had to ask Dad about personnel and that pissed of Pioi
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
It's not like Dad didn't tell 'em anything that wasn't obvious to all of us.
Pioli’s plan can still bear long-term fruit, but he sure took his sweet time getting things right in the trenches. NOT getting it right in the trenches is inhibiting the development of numerous cart-before-the-horse skill players, including Cassel. (sigh) What might’ve been if they’d spent that #2 on OL instead of QB and LB. Hell, we could’ve had Vrabel off the waiver wire if we’d wanted him.
would of ≠ would've
I remember when we got Cassell. I was so exited but after the 1st season, I knew he wasnt going to work.
Forget about Cassell. Orton is a REAL NFL Quarterback
by mu-chief-stl.cards fan on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
My instinctive/general-principles reaction was "Bad move."
I held my peace, and found acceptance in the “Team Culture” thing. I’d rather build team culture by borrowing and stealing draft picks (trade-downs left and right).
And shoot, they already had a solid journeyman, in Huard, who’d get ‘em to the playoffs and maybe even WIN a game, if the team was built right around ’im, and they had Thigpen, who could ride the hurricane if the team wasn’t built right.
When you get the team right, THEN you chase the jewel at quarterback, assuming common sense and good coaching don’t turn a good one up along the way. In the meantime, you have no business not spending your #2 pick on RT/RG, all the way back to ’09.
I was willing to reserve judgement on Cassel, because I saw that they weren’t getting other things right. Besides, my pre-Cassel predisposition to roster-churn @ QB, while I’m SERIOUS AS HELL ABOUT GETTIN’ THE BIG MEN SITUATION ADDRESSED. Oh. Sorry. Did I raise my voice?
That first year might be (and likely would be) ugly, but 4-12 was pretty ugly, ANYway. And from 2010 on, your full attention and venture capital is on adding key skill players on top of that. (sigh)
I don’t get why so many GMs, including our own, don’t get that. They’re super-smart, so they’re splittin’ hairs on which running back is better, and making a fool of me, talkin’ about hip flexibility or some exotic trait, when that G sittin’ there in the middle of the 1st will INSTANTLY make every ONE of your runningbacks better. DUH-uh.
IMO, you chase the big men, and let many of the rest of the crew EMERGE, because the big men give ’em more time to run their routes, or cut down the amount of time they have to hold up in coverage. Watch the Giants and remind yourself that much as folks think the league has changed, the fact remains, as it ever has, that if you can get it done up front with 4, you own ’em on defense.
I’ve come to prefer the 3-4, because it’s a little easier to mix things up with the front 5. You can match that with a 4-3 with dominant front 4, plus one DB who can single-up. That frees up a Pirate for you, and the offense never knows where it’s comin’ from OR it’s just executed so well that you can see, plain as day, that Derrick Thomas is coming up into the A gap, and he IS going to shoot the gap quicker than the G-C can get out of their stance. The 4-3 is very predictable, in certain respects, and it’s all about the level of execution, and the Giants have elite execution.
would of ≠ would've
by hmills110 on Feb 1, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You a ramblin' foo', dude.
Besides, my pre-Cassel predisposition to roster-churn @ QB, while I’m SERIOUS AS HELL ABOUT GETTIN’ THE BIG MEN SITUATION ADDRESSED
While heartfelt, I got cute and lost the train of thought. Hoppin’ on the caboose, the above should have said something along the following lines:
Once Cassel’s in, the same bias against chasing QB (beyond common sense) asserts itself, which, ironically, puts me in the Cassel defender cohort. No. Let’s wait until we find a RT, OK? No sense sendin’ good money after bad.
Let’s NOT pull a Chicago, and stick a(n) (borderline) elite QB behind a crap OL with no WRs.
But I’m a guy who watches QBs like Kerry Collins over the years, and see his stock rise and fall in perfect accord with what his current team is giving him to play with. Now there’s a FA QB I might’ve chased in ‘09 (assuming he was looking for work, then). Look how New England’s done it many times, from long before Belichick ever came. (I can see the guy’s big-nosed face, but can’t come up with the name. Age is setting in?) Ahh. I guess that’s why I smoke. Paused, took a drag, ‘n’ Jim Plunkett comes to mind. And the other big-nosed guy, Jay Schroeder. Didn’t he do a Patriots stint?
Kyle Orton is a typical example, only there’s more of a selection in the offseason than there is when your #1 goes down, midseason. Ortons, and draft-diamonds-in-the-rough, until your house is in order. Sure, you’re lookin’ for that special QB, but you want to put him in position to win, and not take a beating.
would of ≠ would've
I'm blaming Haley, but...
I don’t like a GM that isn’t in full support of his HC. It was a mistake by not firing Haley sooner if he felt Haley wasn’t the guy to get it done. Will Romeo be looking over his shoulder? I doubt it, as Pioli knows he can’t screw up again. That could be a good thing.
I think Romeo's too old, too accomplished, and too independently wealthy
to be scared of Pioli.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yup. And it's in line with his nature to observe the small courtesies.
So I just don’t see it in him to offend, for HIS part.
This much from the Belichick tree: I don’t see RAC losing sight of the task at hand, regardless of what just happened on the field. I like that. There’s way too much to think about and do to affect your immediate future. There’s nothing gained by dwelling on what soon will be ancient history, or gettin’ steamed. Sure is fun to be all-in and indulge yourself, but might not be the smartest way to operate.
would of ≠ would've
Thats just how bad he is
He’s that bad and still overrated.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Lewis
Overrated: Orton
Rise: Baldwin
Need: QB
Hire: Yes, if it comes with a young OC to take over in a few years
Best Player: I’ve always been partial to DJ his entire career
We don't need a bunch of cats in here—"meeeooow!"—lookin' in the mirror. "I look gooooood, I got my extra bands on, I got my other shoes"—Be a dog! We don't need no meows, we don't need no cats. We need more dogs.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM CST reply actions
Here it goes...
Underrated: tie between Kendrick Lewis and Le’Ron McClain (hopefully we re-sign him).
Overrated: Kyle Orton (no thanks on re-signing him).
Rise: Tyson Jackson
Need: Right Tackle
Hire: Great move. Needed SOME continuity and he helps our D.
Best player: DJ, no question.
Agreed on Lewis, very underrated right now.
He doesn’t get much recognition here for becoming a good ballhawk despite having NO ONE at SS who could help him out.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
well, I'm not a doctor, but ...
Most underrated? McGraw
Most overrated? Berry (not that he isn’t awesome, but once we adjusted … well, we did damned good even w/o him ultimately)
Player on the rise? Houston, end of discussion, period, ever
Biggest need in the draft? DeCastro (like you had to ask?)
Crennel: Is he a good hire? absofreakingtootly!
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? HaliJohnsonFlowersCarrBerry (tie)
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
McGraw was a good choice
So underrated I forgot him
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe I agreed with Ups on 50% of the questions.
One more, and AP might have undergone total protonic reversal.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Nigerian Nightmare and I think much alike ...
if that’s not scary enough, I’ve applied for the Chiefs newly open position of Director Of Draft Day Decisions
muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Decisions like, cake or pie?
Pie > cake.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm blueberry!
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Same here.
My questions weren’t exactly the same, but I agree with a lot of his, except for Berry and DeCastro.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Berry - we'll do even better when he's back.
This D is seriously going to wreck offenses next year. Can’t. Wait.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Underrated: McGraw. His play calling is valuable.
Overrated: Asamoah. So far. I like him, he was my favorite guard in that draft, but he’s been inconsistent this year. I see him getting better.
Player on the rise: Lots of promising young guys. Including Asamoah. If I have to pick just one, it’s Houston because he consistently improved and still should have a lot of potential.
Biggest draft need: QB
Crennel is a good hire because he brings experience, technical ability, and a calming influence.
Best player on the defense: Tamba, but there’s a narrow gap now between him and DJ.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Really? What makes you think Big Jon's been inconsistent.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
He'll erase Suh one game, then put out a lesser performance against a no-name the next game.
Like I said, I like him. But I think he’s not where he could be yet.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
True, true.
I remember the first game of the year I watched him specifically because I wanted to see if Brian left us with a good replacement and he got manhandled all day long by Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus. All I can think is about how bad he is.
Next game, he’s tossing Suh around like a ragdoll and I’m absolutely astonished.
But he’s seemed pretty consistent to me. Normally (if you follow bewsaf’s O-line rankings) he has the best games of all of our linemen.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Add to that he completely owned Seymour the second Raiders game too
If only he lined up on the left side of the FG formation.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Asamoah. No one seems to get that he's one of the top guards in the league.
Overrated: Dexter McCluster. I didn’t really know who to put here. Even though I like his toughness for such a small guy, he’s not a running back.
On the rise: Asamoah, but I already said him. Justin Houston.
Biggest draft need: DeCastro here we come!
Good hire/bad hire:Good hire!
Best defensive player: Derrick Hali
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 5:35 PM CST reply actions
yah, Dex ... I know, huh
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Dex was our offenses 2nd biggest contributer despite being misused for much of the season
He’s way closer to underrated than overrated IMO
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
by MNchiefsfan on Jan 31, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Brandon Albert
Overrated: Brandon Albert as a guard/right tackle
On the Rise: Justin Houston
Biggest need: Another Brandon Albert to play right tackle
Good hire?: Depends who the OC is.
Best player on defense: Brandon Albert at his natural position of NT
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:42 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
this needs many, many, many more rec's
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Not enough Brandon Albert.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
fixed
On The Rise: Justin Houston Brandon Albert
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 1, 2012 6:52 AM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Tyson Jackson
Overrated : Tyson Jackson, he’s fat and lazy
On the rise: Justin Houston
Biggest need: Replacing Tyson Jackson with a sackallthetime DE
Good/Bad hire: it depends on weather Jackson is moved to his natural position of RT
Best player on D: FlowersCarrDJTamba
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Mine
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC? Branden Albert
Most overrated? Jackie Battle
Player on the rise? Brandon Carr
Biggest need in the draft? Offensive Tackle, since we can find most everything else in FA
Crennel: Is he a good hire? Yep, for many reasons and some not so good
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? Derrick Johnson
Under: Albert
Over: Battle and Mcgraw
Rise: Houston
Was a good hire, need a quarterback and guard.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Sorry, didn’t mean for that to be a reply.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 31, 2012 5:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Oh, and DJ is the best player on D.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
by JComp11 on Jan 31, 2012 5:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Funny, your answer about biggest draft need.
I was thinking the exact opposite, that we can possibly get a RT in free agency, but never a franchise QB.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think there are decent FA QBs out there.
Trick is finding a guy who’s a good fit with what KC will have next fall. My eyes are peeled for guys who can play a little street ball. I think Orton would get good rapport going, because of his understanding of the game and tendencies, but he’s just too immobile.
A lot depends on getting an OC who plays to guys’ strengths and LETS them play to them, rather than trying to dial up something perfect that robots can execute. Everybody thought Weis was a guru, but that’s just what he did, with formulaic playcalling and formulaic plays. Too bad Gailey and Haley couldn’t get along. It’s one thing to hate the spread, but it’s another to do what you can with what you have, and Gailey’s long history suggests he’d be just fine with smashmouth, if he had smashmouth players.
would of ≠ would've
Didn't that leave Haley as "Caretaker" Todd
seems to me Pioli hired the entire staff and left the Head Coach with nothing to do and no input into anything.
We Should Hire Norv Turner
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
I THOUGHT Haley made most of his own staffing choices.
It sure sounds like Crennel is being given authority to build his staff.
The better parent is the one who doesn’t bad-mouth the other. Pioli might be the better parent, here.
would of ≠ would've
Who? Orton and Flynn?
They don’t exactly fit in the same category as Rodgers, Manning(s), Brady in my mind. Or even Luck or RG3.
Who was the last really good FA QB? Schaub? Gannon? How often do those guy come around? Once every five years or so? Like it or not, QB is not like a lineman you can just plug in “good ’nuff” and expect his team mates to totally cover any deficiencies.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Highly risky free agent because of his injury. The feeling was that he'd never be the same.
Drew Brees was the Tom Brady of free agents.
Anyway, like I said, those guys don’t come around very often. If you have a decent QB coach, then there’s at least one QB in every draft that could possibly grow into greatness with your team.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Heh. Never said he'd be good enough.
Just saying that it’s quite possible you DO find somebody good enough, when the other 10 guys don’t HAVE deficiencies. As long as the deficiencies elsewhere are glaring, why put a gold-plated QB, whom you love, in such a crap situation? In the team-build, I’d address the trenches 1st, and until that’s done, it’s pointless and almost counterproductive (For instance, how many years did Aikman lose off the back end of his career, after all the concussions at the front end?)
KC’s actually close enough to START thinking about making the big play for QB. If they’d done things MY way, I think they’d BE at that point, assuming they didn’t already have confidence in somebody better than Cassel, right now. They’ve been so slow to finish the OL, in particular, that I STILL think they need to look that way, before QB.
Despite all the picks they throw at OL, I never felt that Andy Reid’s OLs were all that good for their QBs. McNabb went from there to DC and thence to MIN. One poor pass-blocking team to another. Wouldn’t surprise me if McNabb could do quite well, indeed, with one, preferably two new guys blocking. Just one example, and likely not even the best one, but I think there’s a fair amount of good QB talent in and around the league that folks look right past, for want of a decent left tackle…
would of ≠ would've
You just kinda throw this out like it's an easy thing:
when the other 10 guys don’t HAVE deficiencies.
And I think you over-estimate the chances of success for drafted O linemen. Even if we put our first three draft picks toward O line, there’s a good chance we only get one fair-to-middlin player out of that.
We’ve been trying to build everything BUT the QB for a looooong time already……
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hm
Underrated: Branden Albert – Getting tired of people saying to move him to his ‘natural’ position, he’s fine at LT.
Overrated: Ryan Succop – He nailed like 22 FGs in a row but I still didn’t actually trust his leg strength or accuracy.
On the rise: Justin Houston
Biggest need in the draft: QB – If not QB then I say RB.
Good/Bad Hire: Good Hire
Best player on defense: Tamba Hali
Good call with Succop, the beginning of the season was a mess, he still makes me nervous....but, RB?
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
A bold move.
Or a Bama fan.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by KC_Chiefs: Good call on the kicker. They can never be underrated, because they're not really football players.
Just give me an offense that doesn’t move backwards inside the 20, and give the kicker chip shots only.
would of ≠ would've
Heres mine
underated-Asamoah
overated-Cassel
on the rise-Bailey
Draft-OT
Hire-great
Best player-charles
I almost put Bailey
I think he’s going to push Dorsey hard for snaps this year.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Bailey
bailey is awsome i hope he takes Dorsey’s job this year.
by bryantpharris on Jan 31, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
See we don't have any need for another Safety
Let Jamaal do it :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jamaal 1 AJ Hawk 0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEsmN4vluA
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Damn, that was dope.
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
His natural position.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or as a kick off returner
Really JC needs to go both ways
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE-pxwxUxNY&feature=g-hist&context=G280c094AHTyl25AAAAA
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
After doing some research on profootballfocus and comparing their rankings per position versus the general consensus here, I really feel that Arrowhead Pride members have a good idea of who the better/worse players on the team are. And seeing as how I’m in North Carolina, this is my only interaction with KC fans. So I’ll make my overrated/underrated picks based on the national media’s views instead of chiefs fans…
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC?
—Carr: contract year, yet I hear very little about him.
Most overrated?
—Lilja: Seems those in Bristol think that since he came from New England, he must still be good.
Player on the rise?
—Lewis: I can’t wait to see him play with a real safety after the strides he’s made this year.
Biggest need in the draft?
—Quarterback, but we pick too late to address it
Crennel: Is he a good hire?
—Yes, he gets the players to play. Hopefully it lasts. It all depends on the OC in my opinion
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense?
—Flowers, shuts down top corners fairly often.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Jan 31, 2012 5:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Good job doing your homework,
until you forgot Lilja came from Indy :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
grrrr
stupid hungry stomach. smelling taco tuesday cooking in the other room and was only half thinking! and yes, taco tuesday is the best day of the week.
by 1kmilesfromkc on Jan 31, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm
Underrated: McCluster (People think he is a complete bust, but I believe he could be very effective with a competent QB), was about to put Charles in here for the folks who thought Cassel was the reason we won the west last season.
Overrated: Flowers (Honestly couldn’t think of a player that is really overrated for the Chiefs since the media seems to underrated the entire squad and the system). Idk Flowers gets beat a lot on certain days, but its only because I had to choose a player.
Rise: Berry (I believe he is going to keep improving in his coverage and hopefully crennel comes up with more plays that will cause confusion with Berry like with Polamalu in Pitt).
Biggest Need: QB
Crennel: Yes, players respond and relate to him. He is also a great defensive schemer.
Best player on defense: Got to be Tamba Hali, the guy is an absolute beast and disrupts so many plays.
We agree on so many things,
and yet you like Kellen Moore. Disturbing.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'll play.
Underrated: McGraw
Overrated: Charles
Rising: Asamoah
Draft need: NT
Crennel: Good hire
Best on defense: DJ
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Charles Overrated?????
Are you kidding me if anything he is underrated.
By the media? Maybe.
By Chiefs fans? No, people around here act like he’s Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and O.J. Simpson wrapped in one. He’s not even an every down back.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Hes an every down back
Not the best in the world, but you rush him 3 times you probably get a first down.
Its goal line work that’s tricky, but even our “big” back couldnt get it done.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
He's never been a guy you ride all game long.
So I don’t know how you can call him an every down back. That’s fine. He’s still extremely valuable. But it does count against him when comparing him to other RBs, especially late in the game when you’re trying to grind out the clock.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Just because it hasnt been tried doesnt mean he cant do it
Dont know how many times weve all yelled at Haley to run JC more, hes a back that gets bEtter as the game goes along and i think weve won every game where hes had 20+rushes.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
But he hasn't proven he CAN either.
And he’s gotten banged up quite a bit even in a limited role.
I have no problem with his limited role as much as when he was getting his carries. It pissed me off when he’d be on the bench when he was hot, or when the team needed a spark.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Who says he doesnt grind it out to end games?
He just doesnt do it with power like a Trent Richardson or a Marshawn Lynch he does it with speed.
I dont think theres anything more tirin then Chasing a guy all over the field because of his speed and ability to make people miss.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
which explains why he has his best games when he
has 20 carries or more.
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2011-2012 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!
I understand where you are coming from as I'm pretty sure I have had this argument with you before
I’m just saying we haven’t seen him as an every down back yet and until we do we can’t completely say he isnt one.
He has 7 career games with 20+ carries or more (25 rushes being the most against Denver). In those games he has averaged over 160 yards per game with 5tds which is almost half of his career number of 12.
I feel that when he touches the ball more often the Chiefs have a better chance of winning. His toughness is underrated as he takes many hits being the size that he is. Before this year he really has not had an injury problem besides a few knick knack ones that he manages to play with.
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2011-2012 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!
We can only judge him based on what he does, though.
I’m not going to give him credit for something he might be able to do.
Again, it’s not really a complaint, but rather an explanation of why I think he’s overrated by most Chiefs fans. He’s still my favorite player on offense, even in his relative limited role. But I don’t think he’s near as good as Priest Holmes was, for example.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
True that
I just want to see him get that ball more since he has produced when he has a larger role given the small sample size.
And Priest was and is still the best running back ever to put on a Chiefs uniform (not counting Marcus Allen since he did the majority of his work with the dark side). Although Jamaal has a pretty good shot and setting the franchise rushing record at some point if he stays healthy.
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2011-2012 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!
I think Haley was right to limit his carries.
Again, my only problem was with when he got them. It seemed completely random. He would still be carrying late in games with a big lead, and other times he’d be on the bench when they were trying to score. It just made no sense.
I think if they were smarter about his distribution, we’d both be happy. He could be limited in games where he’s not needed as much, which would keep him fresh to carry the ball 20-25 times when needed.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Agree with that
Leaving him out of goaline situations last year was absurd. He had proven he could score once he was inside the 10, dont know why Haley was so in love with TJ down where it mattered the most (my guess is ball security). One of the best and most important plays last year was Jamaal’s second effort against Seattle from about 4 yds out. He showed he could put the ball in the paint when needed.
Hopefully we have an OC who knows how to use him to his full potential next year.
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2011-2012 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!
Jamaal got his first start in the WildCard game against Baltimore, I think.
Had the one big run for a score – the ONLY score in the 1st half, IIRC. But I wouldn’t say that giving him the start really changed the team’s fortunes, even though I wanted him to get the start on the “best foot forward” theory. Still didn’t fix what ailed the KC offense.
would of ≠ would've
Underated: Colquit- He changes the field position which is so underrated when you look at our enept offense and our d having to hold the oposing team under 14 pts.
Overrated: Moeaki- While he had a promising rookie season he has had an injury bug his entire collegiate and nfl career. The potential is there, but Bob Sanders has great potential to. All the potential in the world doesnt mean crap if you cant stay on the field.
Rising: Crennel- He got more out of the team in the last 3 games than anyone could have imagined. the team responds to him, if he can hire a good partner as OC the team may start to acquire some serious chemistry and competitiveness.
Draft Need: OLine- Get the Oline back to the prestige that it was in the early 2000s and not only will it lead to points on the board but it will protect our Defense by helping us win time of possession.
Crennel: Good hire- Best man for the job in my opinion.
Best defender: Johnson- I picked DJ because he is a force in both run and pass. Hali is decent against the run but a great pass rusher. Flowers shows flashes of greatness against the pass but is still exploited at times by bigger faster wideouts. Flowers is also really good in the run game. Berry will prolly be my choice after next season, but i gotta see how he bounces back from his knee injury. He is a great safety who will hopefully only get better.
My take
Underrated: Brandon Carr
Overrated: Rodney Hudson, 2nd rd pick shopuld have been starting last year, especially with Weigs and Lilja amounting to big piles of nothingness
Rising: Ricky Stanzi
Draft Need: Trade back for more picks
Crennel: Great hire with the right OC and if Stanzi is the Manzi
Best Defender: Hali Berry
Carpe Diem
I don't get your Hudson take.
If the guy was E.J. Holub and Jack Rudnay combined, Wiegs would have probably kept playing just because of that damn streak. I don’t think it says anything about his ability, one way or another.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
I like that we sat Hudson for a season
It’s what the Steelers try to do with their guys, and look how well they’ve been doing this decade.
Nice refutation. I agree that it's concerning that Hudson didn't crack the lineup.
Consider how often the Chiefs got pushed around, and the fact that Hudson sat. I want to see KC bring in a big beast of a man at OG or OC, to give them the beef they need and don’t have.
Semi-heresy on my part: A better QB and maybe we like what those guys are doing and have been doing. I’m not a big believer in trickeration, but it sure seems like defenses have little trouble anticipating KC intentions. Ups and I both see the lack of push in the red zone, but the fact is, the skill players don’t execute at a very high level on the short field, and it ain’t all O-Line.
would of ≠ would've
My only concern
is that Haley had favorites, and one of his favorites had a streak going. I don’t read Hudson not playing as any type of indicator of his ability.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Haley definitely put a premium on practicing right and "getting it."
Not interested in putting the better athlete out there, if he made mistakes.
But when you talk about playing favorites, keep in mind that Crennel didn’t give Stanzi any looks nor did he give Hudson any starts.
I think Wiegs and Lilja got the starts because coaching (not just Haley) felt they were better than anybody else on the squad at their position. Period.
would of ≠ would've
Stanzi had a real QB in front him under Crennel.
And there probably wasn’t much point in shaking up the OL at that point, considering they were playing for the division.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Hmmm. So it's all Haley's fault.
Maybe. But it seems like you’re interpreting the facts with conclusions already drawn. I’m more agnostic. Maybe my appreciation for my ignorance is just too keen.
would of ≠ would've
Fault is not necessarily the term I'd use.
I’m only saying I’m not blindly assuming that Haley’s personnel decisions were always correct. Just because he didn’t play someone doesn’t tell me that the guy must not have been any good.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Crennel plays favorites too
At least if you listen to Browns fans.
Hudson still cRacked the starting lineup for a couple games due to injury and showed promise, similar to Asamoah last year.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
Probably every coach does to a degree.
But it seems like Haley went to the extreme in some cases.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Yup, Hudson did get in when we were getting pushed around. And I'm not convinced it was totally due to injury.
The only hiccup is that he didn’t get in for Wiegmann…but they did find a way to put him in there.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
How is Stanzi rising?
He never sniffed the field during regular session..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 31, 2012 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He rose from #3 to #2 on the depth chart.
The day after Todd Haley was fired.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
by Tarkus on Jan 31, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Crennel wasn't auditioning for HC
And Haley had a real oc (remember the Chris Palmer flirtation 12 months ago?)and training camp Stanzi would have taken Cassel’s place after the injury. TJ Yates (whom we also scouted) gives us hope as Stanzi had far more upside than Yates.
Carpe Diem
Haley would still be calling the personnel shots
even with a real OC, so I wouldn’t assume that. I do think Stanzi would have gotten a shot from almost any other head coach, though. Now he may have failed every bit as much as Palko, but at least the effort would have been made to improve the position.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
But that doesn't make him underrated.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
And Gaither didn't replace Richardson.
And Stanzi and Orton didn’t replace Palko.
I don’t see how Haley’s favorites playing no matter what, say anything about the ability of their backups. Also, sabermetrics says Lilja had a better year than people think, and was their best OL a year ago.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Orton DID replace Palko, and he would've done so a lot sooner if not for the total fail on the inaugural play.
Gotta have a GOOD play fake before that flea-flicker has any teeth. Dumb.
The fact that Stanzi didn’t get a whiff of the playing field says something bad about him or about coaching or about both.
would of ≠ would've
Orton didn't replace Palko under Haley.
Even during the Bears game, Haley said he wasn’t replacing Palko, but he simply had a couple packages for Orton.
The fact that RAC’s first move as HC was dumping Palko from starter to #3 tells me all I need to know about who the something bad was about.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Sure looked to me like the intention was to start Orton, but Haley's more gradualist than, say, Hue Jackson was.
The fact that he put Orton on the field, at all, said that was the target, but on HALEY’s timeline. But once they saw Palko wasn’t cutting it, the telling thing, to me, was that Stanzi didn’t see any action.
would of ≠ would've
Telling meaning Haley didn't like him, for whatever reason.
RAC, OTOH, immediately made him the backup, and he would have played had Orton got hurt, or couldn’t go because of his finger.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC? – Dwayne Bowe. Legitamate superstar, yet many fans never appreciate his talents.
Most overrated? – Tyson Jackson. I thinks he’s a nice role player or would have been a nice find as a 5th rounder.
Player on the rise? Justin Houston will be a stud for years to come
Biggest need in the draft? QB
Crennel: Is he a good hire? – It’s the right hire I think, it’s safe, but this group seems to like him
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? – I’ll say DJ
by craig in calgary on Jan 31, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions
OK. I'll bite.
Most overrated: Berry on IR.
Most underrated: Tyson Jackson. Folks don’t like him, but I see him as the one guy on the D-Line that offenses never take lightly. He’s pretty much always the focus of their attention, and is never single-blocked, unless they’re running away from him.
Biggest need in the draft: BPA.
Crennel: Good. But let’s see how long the rose keeps blushing. It’s a short distance from thrilled to be out from under the yoke to complacency.
Best D player: Jackson or Hali. Jackson could be better as a pass rusher than he is, but certainly respectable for a 3-4 DE. Hali could be a better tackler (Stronger hands). But both either win their battle or draw a doubleteam on virtually every snap. Carr’s right in there, too, because they can single him up in inside leverage against ANYbody.
would of ≠ would've
I'm a fan of Jackson.
And i don’t put merit into where he was drafted. In revisiting that draft class, he was worth taking in the first round and was one of our highest positions of need while switching our defensive scheme. But i can’t say he’s one of the best players on the defense. He’s extremely valuable, but guys like DJ, Hali, and Flowers are irreplaceable.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 1, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
whole heartily agree with Bowe
People still seems to want to trade him. Only losing JC would be more detrimental to the offense
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 1, 2012 6:57 AM CST up reply actions
Here goes..
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC ?
TJAX
Most overrated ?
MATT
Player on the rise ?
KENDRICK
Biggest need in the draft ?
LEFT GUARD
Crennel: Is he a good hire ?
YES
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense?
D.J.
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Fun Topic
1. Underrated- BOWE (without question). ProBowler who everyone wants to trade away?
2. Overrated-Matt Cassel
3. On the rise-Baldwin and Houston (I know I broke the rule of picking two). I think both of these guys are future pro-bowlers.
4. Biggest draft need (this question is different than BIGGEST NEED—BIGGEST NEED is QB). Biggest draft need is OL. This draft and where we draft does not provide a QB. Unless the GM somehow pulls off Luck.
5. Coach-Yes, for now (would love to find an OC that will ‘takeover’ in two-three years already in place). But yes for now.
6. Best D Player-I have to say Berry. DJ spent so many years not living up to his hype that he placed a sour taste in my mouth (although he is a great player now). Hali is great but Berry does not just have PRO BOWL ability but HALL OF FAME skills. Hopefully the injury fades (and steve Johnson gets karma ;)
WRs are finishing touches on complete offenses, at least for the most part.
WR only works if the run game and QB create enough good opportunities for him, at least for the most part. There are exceptions to this, but there are usually underlying strengths to the exceptional teams (Big Ben in PIT, the horde of great WRs in New York (which is more potent in the run game than folks give ’em credit for)).
would of ≠ would've
its not the 1990's
the game has obviously changed… its a passing league
plus… that doesn’t impact if someone is ‘underrated’ or not… Bowe is an impact player and many people are calling for him to be traded… that sounds underappreciated and underrated
I don't think people actually want him to be traded.
I think they’re just putting that out there as something better than just losing him to free agency. That or they want to trade up for a franchise QB, and he’s a valuable chip to use. It’s not that people don’t want him on the team.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Passing league, blah blah blah, passing league blah blah blah.
I agree, though, that Bowe’s an asset they ought to keep. And just having Larry Fitzgerald is no guarantee of success, or AZ would still be in the hunt.
What i’m saying is you have to do certain things well, in order for WRs to really come into their own. New York’s rushing numbers suck, but their play fake is still pretty damn good, and their O-Line faces that nasty D-Line in practice. So the team’s doing things to meet the WR halfway (or more).
So I’m not down on Bowe. I’m certainly not one who’s talking about packaging him in a trade. I just want better conditions for him to play in (Other threats, better pass pro’, better QB play).
would of ≠ would've
Having the best O-line in the league
Is no guarantee for success either. It’s a team sport, there is no “build the oline first” or “get a QB first.” The goal is to be opportunistic in acquiring players that fit your system.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Correct. It is no guarantee.
Just as my wearing a raincoat is no guarantee of rain.
But if it’s raining, rest assured, I’m wearing my (secondhand) goretex shell.
It’s not a matter of either-or, to me. It’s a matter of correct sequencing. Getting the QB before you’ve addressed the O-Line is like jumpin’ in the sack before you know a gal’s name. It’s like trying to learn calculus before you’ve learned how to add fractions (Amazingly, quite a few try to do that very thing!). Why mortgage your future on your QB and then stick him behind a bunch of matador linemen? If he’s any good, you want him healthy. You want ALL your guys healthy. But the QB has very little to do with injuries on OL. I can’t say the converse.
would of ≠ would've
Just a small fact...
Eli gets sacked less than Brady. o-line o-line o-line
Brady got sacked once every 19 attempts, and Eli once every 21 attempts.
Huge difference there.
For least number of sacks taken, Manning was #14 out of 33 QBs on NFL.com’s list. Brady was tied for #20.
Some interesting names in the bottom 10: Alex Smith, Ben, Rodgers.
Seems to me the QB might have more to do with a team’s playoff success than having a sack-proof O line.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Alex Smith got hammered.
he should get some kind of award just for surviving. I’m not big on stats, and sacks is the most over-rated one of all. Pressure (time to scan) and turnovers mean a lot more than the almighty sack. Heck , B Rich probably gave up more yardage in penalties than sack yardage.(big reason to replace him) Teams win games. Look how average Brady looked like against Baltimore. If Brady played for the Rams he may have won a few more games for them, but most likely he’d not finish the season in one piece.Protect the investment first…
by 12t on Feb 1, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Brady has never had a really good O line.
Look at Patriots years 2007-09. 2008 was Cassel’s year, and the EXACT same five starting linemen gave up more sacks than in ‘07 and ’09 combined. That’s not a coincidence.
People sometimes ask, what would Brady look like behind our line? Well, we already know what Brady’s line looks like with a mediocre QB playing behind them.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I hear what you're sayin', and I've said similar things. Then I watch a game, and Brady has this huge, clean pocket that Mattie Cassel would kill for.
would of ≠ would've
Tom Brady and the Pats offense does not have - B. "Drive Killer" Rich - consistantlly setting them back (as pointed out by 12t, via both sacks allowed AND penalties).
B. “Drive Killer” Rich false start penalties aside, take a look at how many motion / line up penelties commited by our Offense last year. That is not bad QB play, that is not the WR making catches, or the RB not hitting the hole….THAT is bad coaching.
Many of the teams we played ‘won’ (took) the games they played vs our Chiefs, but Chiefs also ‘lost’ a number of games as well. By ‘lost’ I mean the other team didn’t beat us we beat ourselves (‘gave’ up games).
I don’t care if we get Luck/RGIII in the draft, or sing Manning (or Brady, Rodgers, Breese) if the other 10 guys are ‘giving’ the game to the other team we will continue to lose in the first round of the playoffs (or not even make it to the playoffs).
Zorn, Saunders, is not Muir/Haley and hopefully the coaching of the offense will improve…reguardless its IS going to change.
Hopefully that will translate into Cassel or getting the play in faster (Many times last year I saw Cassel looking for the play call, and looking, and getting frustraed because the coaches were slow in getting the play to him).
Hopefully that will translate into fewer motion / line up penalties by the 10 guys not the QB.
Replace B. “Drive Killer” Richardson with somone who can give our QB a solid 5 seconds to scan the feild and make a throw (instead of letting 2 different QBs get injured like last year), improve the coaching (getting plays into the QB, training the players the right way to motion / line up) and Cassel/Orton/Stanzi/Draft Pick/FA will look good. Don’t fix those things and it wont matter WHO the QB is, the team go 3-n-out after 3-n-out*.
3-n-out* – by 3-n-out I really mean we get 7 rushing yards on 1st down, line up but B. Rich get 10 yard penalty making it 2nd-n-20 , pick up 11 yard pass to Bowe making it 2nd-n-9, line up and eat another 5 yards on a motion penalty for 3rd-n-14, run for 13 yards….meaning we really went 5-n-out without ever picking up a 1st down. Crap like that is not Cassel, or Palko, or Ortons fault folk.
A frustrating thing about Cassel is that one of his best games happened when he was running for his life.
Remember last year vs Seattle, when Albert was out? Richardson was at LT trying to block Clemens…. Almost every pass play, Cassel had to dodge Clemens. But the weird thing is that he never looked rattled, and he killed the Seahawks. I’m sure that’s because he was expecting it, and his own calm and cool adjustments made up for the constant blind side pressure.
Anyway, one more example of how the QB does at least as much as his O line to make the protection look good. Frustrating that Cassel can’t manage to do that all the time.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Underrated (and under used): Steve Breaston or Leron Mcclain
Overrated (and overused): Glenn Dorsey or Dexter Mccluster
On the rise: Travis Daniels (betting he takes over as starting CB when Carr walks)
Draft need: QB, QB, quarterback, and guy that takes every offensive snap
Romeo hire: contingent on the offensive staff he chooses
Best player on D: Berry. I would bet with him, we don’t give up as many blow out losses as we did this year
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 31, 2012 7:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Underrated- Tyson Jackson
Overrated- Kelly Gregg
On the rise- Justin Houston
Draft need- Qb
Good hire- no brainer
Best player on the team- see my sig
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Underrated- Tyson Jackson
Overrated- Kelly Gregg
On the rise- Justin Houston
Draft need- Qb
Good hire- no brainer
Best player on the team- see my sig
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 31, 2012 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry lol
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
its not the 1990's
the game has obviously changed… its a passing league
plus… that doesn’t impact if someone is ‘underrated’ or not… Bowe is an impact player and many people are calling for him to be traded… that sounds underappreciated and underrated
I want Marty back!
Screw the 2000’s and beyond, football was so much better back in the day!
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s like they invented the word “douchebag” specifically for the new century.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
agreed and agreed
Grew up watching the 90’s chiefs (ok I was a teen but)…I’ll always have a soft spot for: Mean D, Amazing running game, all heart.
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I think my avatar name shows my favorite era of Chiefs football. '89-'92 was the best years for me.
by NigerianNightmare on Feb 1, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. And a lot of futility and ineptitude in the passing game, often localized at the tackle spot(s),
and repaired by stupid QB acquisitions (with the exception of Joe Montana and the FA steal, Rich Gannon), while the blind side was always occupied by the enemy at crunch time.
would of ≠ would've
Mine
Underrated – Dexter McCluster
Overrated – Tyson Jackson
Player on the rise – Jon Baldwin
Biggest need in the draft? QB
Crennel: Is he a good hire? Safe conservative hire….so yeah
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? I would say Eric Berry
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 31, 2012 7:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'll take a stab
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC? I cant decide between Albert, Lewis or Dex. Albert may not be in the ‘elite’ category in pass pro, but he more than holds his own and he’s the best in run blocking. Especially at the second level. You dont see this often.
Lewis: He is a rock solid player RIGHT NOW. I cant wait to see what the retunr of Berry will do to Lewis’ game.
Dex: Dont think he did much? He finished the season with 990 total yards on a horrible offensive team. Imagine how much worse it would have been without him.
Most overrated? Not sure… Maybe Lilja.
Player on the rise? Justin Houston. If he continues his second of pace, he will be better than Von Miller.
Biggest need in the draft? Not even close… QB!!!!!!!!!!!
Crennel: Is he a good hire? Sure. He’s the best of what was available and is the most familiar with our team and systems
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? Humm… For consistency, I woul say DJ. But when he’s on, theres no one better than Flowers.
I rarely see Albert blow an assignment.
Sometimes, he’s just supposed to re-direct a guy, but the other OLs fail in their assignments, or the QB doesn’t have enough awareness to slide away from trouble. He pretty much had his way with Justin Smith in the 2010 game against SFO. Sure, Smith’s a dominant player, but Albert had him guessing wrong or JUST runing past the play. They got the most out of Smith by shifting him inside and just controlling the middle.
would of ≠ would've
Right
But lost in all this is that running backs running behind Albert averaged more than 5 yards per carry for the second straight season. That makes a huge difference when you consider how bad our backs were last year.
I had some "vision" gripes with Jones, but to me, the biggest issue with the 'backs was how it was being blocked-up.
Penetration taking away most of what ANY RB wants to do. When there was running room, they all ran pretty good. Not great, but sometimes, yeah, great, like when McCluster gets a glimpse of daylight. RB talent wasn’t the issue at all, to my eye. And I think more consistency up front would’ve helped Jones with that vision thing (or masked it, to a great degree).
would of ≠ would've
My take.
Underated- Albert
Overated- Carr
Player on the rise- Lewis/Houston
Biggest draft need- ( biggest need is QB not sure about draft need since odds are we wont get one worthy in the draft this year ) so guess my answer is actually O-line, interior.
Crennel- so far good hire, so far…….
Best D player- DJ easily.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 31, 2012 7:58 PM CST reply actions
under rated is casy wigman over rated is tyson jackson on the rise is jon mcgraw need is tackle crenell is good and defense is flowers
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Jan 31, 2012 8:02 PM CST reply actions
u guys always say wigman is bad but he is real good jackson is not as good as you guys say and mcgraw looked good when he got in and i think he could start
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Feb 1, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think Jackson is overrated, because you don't see the flash from a guy who's trying to be a DT and a DE at the same time.
Very underappreciated job.
would of ≠ would've
How can a player a year or two (if that) from retirement
be “on the rise?”
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
So you think he's going to be better next year than he was this last year?
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I haven't seen that happen much to players his age
In fact, I don’t think I’ve seen it… ever. That’d be interesting
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
dude people told lance armstrong he couldnt do it
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but he was juicing
And cycling and the NFL are two different animals.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Yeah, that's how!
:)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
My opinion:
Most Underrated: Jamaal Charles, yes he was a first team all pro last year but everyone forgot about him since he got hurt. The guy averaged 6.4 ypc which is unheard of and if he was 20lbs bigger and in a larger market he would probably be crowned the best back in the game. The fact is he does what he does being the size that he is. Only Chiefs fans know good Jamaal really is.
Most Overrated: Matt Cassel, I only say this because there really is not too many overrated players on the chiefs since they do not get credit for a lot. I am a Matt Cassel fan and still feel we could probably win with him, but I am not in the group that says he is better than Orton which a lot of the main stream media’s opinion.
Player on the rise: Kendrick Lewis, had a very good year even with lackluster safety play next to him. Eric Berry will get all the credit but Kendrick will become a big time player next year I feel.
Biggest need in draft: Quarterback, it’s time to finally draft one and take chance for once. I am sick not gambling on someone who has the chance to change the face of your franchise.
Crennel a good hire: Yes, has the players vote so it’s all good by me. I also think he handles himself well and very confident in what he does.
Best player on the defense: Tamba Hali, this is toss up between tamba and DJ, but I am going to say #91 simply because without him the chiefs defense would fall off quite a bit. Without DJ we would still be able to manage some wins. Both are great players and I probably like DJ better since he was a longhorn but I would have to say Tamba is more valuable to the chiefs.
Hope this helps
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 2011-2012 SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS!
underated: javier arenas
overated: jonathan baldwin
player on the rise: justin houston
biggest draft need: NT build tht defense
crennel: to me he will be a great hire IF he hire a good college offensive coordinator
best defensive player: BRANDON FLOWERS AKA FLOWER’S ISLAND
by Christian Scruggs on Jan 31, 2012 8:25 PM CST reply actions
I'll give it a try and give a little more detail on my opinions...
Most Underrated Player: Jackie Battle – I say RB Jackie Battle is the most underrated player on the team because of the years he’s spent with us and always been the 4th string RB until this season with JC being put on IR and TJ not amounting to much of anything…he changed our running game and helped give us some more balance in our offense. It could’ve been a lot worse season if we cut him like we wanted to during the preseason. Thank God we didn’t.
Most Overrated Player: Matt Cassel – Matt has been waaaay too inconsistent with his play since he’s been here. He can manage the game and he’s a VERY smart player…but it always looks like he doubts himself and his players right as the ball is snapped and things fall apart. As the leader of not just the offense but the entire team he needs to understand ALL the players around him and what they all bring to the table and work that into the snap every time. He doesn’t seem to trust them and it shows in his inconsistency and he needs to get better and actually trust his players to make the plays or he’s gonna find himself riding the bench his entire career. Brady is great, Manning is great, but they are only great because they know and trust the players around them from the RB, FB, OL to the WRs and TEs. They know what their job is and where they are on the field and what they will do to get that ball so the put it there for them to do just that…Cassel can, but only if he has some faith in his team and does it.
Player on the Rise: Allan Bailey – Bailey has show amazing potential, and this was a really hard one to pick because a lot of players on our team have been pulling together to do their jobs and making a really good defense out of nothing. Bailey, in my mind from watching the games, has a lot better understanding of his job to hold the offensive line and create gaps for the LB’s to run through and around and get the the ball carrier in the backfield. He could really push Dorsey for or Jackson for a starting position and one of those players…probably Dorsey…can be used in trade to get more draft picks and bringing back guys like Amon Gordon and picking up guys like Shaun Rodgers would help add depth and leadership along the line. Bailey can be that guy on the line to start.
Biggest Draft Need: That would have to be two different positions. I believe finding a starting caliber RT and another NT would help build our own guys to hold down the position and give competition at the position with Powe. Mims could be a good player to come in at RT or be great backup swing tackle so picking up a guy in the draft that can start at RT from day one is a huge need.
Is the Crennel Hire a Good Hire or Not: I believe it’s a GREAT hire because he knows how to motivate the players, encourage them, and push them, and he also gives consistency to the team that they haven’t had in a long time. If they can get an OC that knows how to push the offense like Crennel pushes the defense then we have a super bowl bound team.
Best Defensive Player: That is another hard one to pick because of what Crennel can do with no-name players…but I would have to go with DJ because of his position, pointing out the opposing offense and calling the defensive audibles to help put themselves in a better position…his knowledge, work ethic, and intensity is invaluable and he is the kind of guy you build a defense around. We have another guy that can be that type of player as well…Eric Berry. He brings football smarts, a HUGE work ethic, and immense intensity to the game each play, but putting players in position to best do their job is not there yet…it can be in time and having Berry and DJ on the field at the same time shows AMAZING improvements over anything we’ve done before…in just those two players…but adding Bailey, Houston, Jackson, Hali, Flowers, Carr, Lewis…we are on the cusp of being one of the best defenses in the league…we’ll see what we can do with FA, Draft, and getting our players back healthy.
That’s my two cents….I hope this helps you!
There's no hope with dope...
I almost picked Battle too.
Not because he’s great, but because he’s not the crappy player a lot of fans think he is. He’s a good backup and special teams player.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
Underrated- Arenas
Overrated- Cassel
On the Rise- Berry (good but soon to be the premier safety in the league)
Crennel- good hire
Best defensive player- DJ
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Jan 31, 2012 8:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Biggest draft need QB.
And should be number 1 on ever teams list unless you have one.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Jan 31, 2012 8:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say QB.
Just because I don’t see the Chiefs in position to draft one (at least one who is going to help them in 2012). I agree it’s the greatest position of need, though.
"Piracy is the new radio." - Neil Young
That may be the case.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
by saskwatch on Jan 31, 2012 8:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Trade.
If KC doesn’t make a trade in the draft to move up for RG3 this will likely be the closest they will ever be to a top 3 pick for the next 5-6 years, given the D’s progression.
They need to get their QB now, while they have a reasonable chance to do so.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
I didn't take "biggest need in the draft" as asking for a draft strategy,
I took it as which position is most in need to be built up through the draft. Not which position is most likely to be built up through the draft.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC?
Matt Cassel…not even close on this one.
Most overrated?
Brandon Carr. Don’t get me wrong he is a ‘good’ player, just not as good as all the hype. I think he is a product of the Pioli/RaC system than anything.
Player on the rise?
Jon Baldwin…guy is going to be a stright baller IMO.
Biggest need in the draft?
G / T / TE / S / ILB / RB – in that order.
Crennel: Is he a good hire?
Yes
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense?
When our D looked good it was because of TEAM play and not just one person (IMO). That said here is how I break down the various ‘rolls’
Tyson Jackson…our best lineman.
Tamba Hali…our best past rusher.
DJ…our best ILB
Flowers…our best CB
Lewis..our best safty.
Thank you for reading my 2 copper
Just for clarification sake DG
are you saying Kendrick Lewis is better than Eric Berry? Or were you only counting those that played the full season.
by Steve_in_RI on Jan 31, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
underrated: Brandon Albert
overrated: Glenn Dorsey
Player on the rise: Allen Bailey/Justin Houston tied
Biggest need in the draft: QB, barring that, OL
Crennel: Is he a good hire: Yes, given the circumstances
best player on the defense: Best overall: DJ. Most dominant: Tamba
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Organization look
Underrated: Phil Emery
Overrated: Scott Pioli
On the rise: Anthony Pleasant, remember how bad our d-line looked last 4 years?
Biggest need: A real OC
Best Person to defend Chiefs: Susan at Unity Hunt/Hunt Sports group, have talked to her several times when I vented, she even asked if I wanted to hold to talk to Clark, got my goat I admit, gave ne her email address so she could forward my message to Clark, of course I have long since given up such fruitless pursuits.
Carpe Diem
nice twist to things putting emery and pioli in there while adding biggest need a real OC.
thats thinking outside the box.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Who ever our oc is
I hope its someone who can put an offense together that plays to the talent of said players. We saw Romeo last year even with horrible safety play put together a decent defense. We need someone that can do that on offense, not just think hmmmm……what would Bill Parcells do?
Great example of this is why the HELL Thomas Jones got 150+ carries last year? I would have had a 1-2 combo of Battle (limited but far better than TJ) and McCluster. And until the Packer game it seemed like Haley in 27 games had little or no concept of play action fake, we saw it work in the 1st Denver game for the td but thenm went away from it (as well as limiting Battle to a whopping 9 carries) .
Were a ZBS team and that fits far more into a west coast type offense than Earhardt Parcells. Hoepfully the interview of Sherman shows that Crennel realizezs we can’t pound square pegs (Earhardt-Parcells) into round holes (zone blocking scheme).
Carpe Diem
Its E-
For Epic fail in KC. 212 pts set record for fewest pts by a Chiefs team in a 16 game season. At least Herm had the excuse that on his watch he was a defensive guy (2007 226 pts), 1979 we scored 238 ut that was a wing T. Haley was supposed to be an offensive guru, if Crennel could manage with injuries and Gaily in 2008 Haley has no excuse. We need a guy who can make chicken salad from, well you know what Casey Printers said.
Carpe Diem
It is pretty crazy
how many people dont think Hali is our best defensive player. Not saying he is for sure, but it is pretty surprising he didnt get more votes than he did.
And if Jamaal Charles is healthy, I believe JC will become one of the best RB to ever play the game. I believe he has the talent and potential but he just needs to stay healthy. If you watch the guy run, there hasn’t been a lot of guys in the NFL who makes the D look like a high school defense as often as JC does. He not only has those big plays, but he is consistent in picking up 5-6 yards every time he touches the ball. I know it is insane opinion, but I am an insane human being.
My take
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC?- Considering people here can’t rate him much lower and since he is at the very least better than how he is treated here, the answer from me is Matt Cassel. Honorable mention goes to T-Jax who some still think is a bust and Amon Gordon who had a very underrated season.
Most overrated?- Brandon Flowers. Maybe not a popular pick, but you get the most passed defended typically because people want to throw at you. That is not a compliment.
Player on the rise?- Tony Moeaki and Jon Baldwin. We have barely scratched the surface of what these two can bring to the offense. Big Jon A. and Dex get some love here too.
Biggest need in the draft?- Offensive Tackle, grab guard later. I do think we need secondary help as well.
Crennel: Is he a good hire?- Yes. Not because he was the best available coach, but he was and is the right coach for this group. They respect him and it showed in their play.
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense?- I don’t know if he is the best but by far the most important player is Tamba. Without a pass rush, our secondary would be sitting ducks out there. Cannot overstate Tamba’s value. I could live with an argument for Berry or DJ also.
my quick take
Undr: Orton
Over: Cassel
Rise: Mims of course, and Bailey
Need: RGIII, then OT
Hire: yes, think he’ll do good things
Best: Tamba
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Mims
Undr: Mims
Over: the guy in Mims spot
Rise: Mims
Need: Mims
Hire: only if he plays Mims
Best: Mims
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Overall?
1#overratedqb? for the Chiefs? haha #2on the rise? Houston #3DeCastro #4Does it matter til we get the qbotf next year? #5 Johnson, c’mon he earned it, for reals
blah blah blah
Who do you feel is the most underrated player on KC? Dustin Colquitt (damn you, lechler) I’ll throw in an honorable mention for re-signing Carr/Bowe. There’s no reason not to give them a brinks truck a piece.
Most overrated? Ricky Stanzi —-I don’t trust my offense with the guy who couldn’t beat out dirty TP. I hope he has skills, but to think he should start sight unseen is asinine.
Player on the rise? Justin Houston. I feel he will be a more complete linebacker than Tamba “The Human Safari” Hali. Maybe soon. Not a nutshot to tamba either.
Biggest need in the draft? DeCastro/RT
Crennel: Is he a good hire? The best possible answer for us. Asking if he was a good hire is like asking if he’s the most huggable coach we’ve ever had. YES.
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense? Derrick Johnson. I used to call him a missile when he sucked. Now, he’s a damn nuke.
@relaxingpoo
slanted
I think it’s obvious that even when derrick sucked, I had faith in him. I may not have been impartial.
@relaxingpoo
I have multiple guys
Underrated
Corey Greenwood; Our best special teams player that i think could get a bigger role next year.
Steve Manerri; Needs to spend every day in the weight room. But, I think he has a ton of potential. He is tall ,lean and athletic
Travis Daniels; I think if we lose Carr he steps in and does just fine.
Leonard Pope; If he had a better QB he could be a really solid tight end
Amon Gordon; jack of all trades guy that needs to be resigned.
Jon McGraw; everyone hated him till he got hurt and had to deal with Langford and Sabby. Not elite by any means ,but a decent player when healthy
Overrated
Steve Breaston; Did very little outside of the colts game
Tony Moeaki; if you sneazed on him you’d break his collar bone. Injuries have been a problem since college. His body is on borrowed time
Kyle Orton; Never did anything up to this point. And didn’t put points on the board when he started. Still, fans think he is the 2nd coming of John Elway
Tyson Jackson; To 1 dimensional to have been the 3rd overall pick. Gets on the field and starts. But far from an elite player that AP fans make him out to be
Scott Pioli; I could build a dynasty to , if a HOF QB fell on my lap in the 6th round. Hasn’t put enough talent on this team
Ricky Stanzi; I have never seen so much praise an adulation for a guy that never played a down. Couldn’t even beat out Tyler Palko, that should tell you all you need to know
Player on the rise
Rod Hudson; Is where Ashamoah was last year. Will be our Center for the next decade
Biggest draft need ; Qb, this team isn’t going anywhere with the J.A.G.‘s we have now at QB. I don’t care how much other talent we get . Without a franchise QB this team is toast
Crennel was a dumb,terrible , lazy hire and more of the ‘’patriot way’’ crap. It isn’t going to work long term
Best player on defense; Tamba Hali, he is the only pass rusher teams even have to worry about blocking
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 1, 2012 2:44 AM CST reply actions
Tamba Hali, he is the only pass rusher teams even have to worry about blocking
Justin Houston started to change that over the 2nd half of the season. When they, you know, actually started rushing him…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I noticed that Houston was getting a few of his pressures on the inside later in the year.
The knock on him coming out of college was that he had a lot of pass rushing ability, but it was all based on his speed around the edge, and he didn’t really have an array of moves. That’s why I think he still has a lot of room to grow, and his starting to go inside later in the year showed some of that growth, and I’m pretty excited to see him after an off-season with Gibbs and Tamba and Master Kim.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm very, very excited about Houston
One area especially that’s got me stoked is how strong he is against the run. I expected him to be weak in that area but teams were mostly avoiding him and T-Jax by the end of the season.
Hopefully he’s hungry to prove teams wrong for passing on him (and to earn a big contract), so he spends as much time with Hali as possible. He’s got better speed than Hali and seems to be just as strong if not stronger. Now he needs to learn to play VIOLENT like Hali (and yes, it has to be capitalized to do justice to just how VIOLENT Hali plays).
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Houston
By far one of Pioli’s top picks not only for the value but just the football player that he is. Turning one first round pick into Baldwin/Houston, has got to be one of Pioli’s best personnel moves via draft or free agency. Houston will never be the type of pass rusher Hali is, but is already superior in coverage skills/open field tackling and is on par with Hali’s run support.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 1, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
If he can develop into half the pass rusher Hali is
He’ll be a notch above most of the league.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
I was more giving credit to Hali.
It was no discredit to Houston. I agree with your statement.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Feb 1, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
take a deep breath...calm down
He had 1 really good game and 1 more that was decent. I want to see more because he still looks streaky for me
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Feb 1, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Underrated: Branden Albert – the talk about switching him to guard needs to stop
Overrated: Matt Cassel – Maybe not on AP, but the media (and K-Swiss) still seem to think he’s an average to good QB…wrong, he is way out of his depth
Rising: Asamoah – too young for me to put in the underrated choice, plus Albert is unfairly lambasted for being a very good LT
Draft need: RT
Crennel: Good hire for continuity, let’s see if it works
Best on defense: Hali – the dude gets held on almost every play, but never quits
2012 Goal: Be invited to Lady Buttercup's spring ball.
2012 Resolution: To establish a better cravat collection than anyone else on AP.
2012 Wish: Chiefs Super Bowl
My answers
Most underrated player?
Belcher
Most overrated?
Dorsey
Player on the rise?
Sheffield
Biggest need in the draft?
OT
Crennel: Is he a good hire?
Yes
Best player on the defense?
DJ
Mine
Underrated: Albert/Jackson
Overrated: Dex (at least how he’s used now).
Rising: Houston/Asamoah
Need: QB/OL
Hire: yes yes yes*
Defensive Player: DJ/Tamba
by Eastcoastransplant on Feb 1, 2012 11:24 AM CST reply actions
Yay, a survey!
Underrated:
Jackson. He’s a big reason the Chiefs D improved the way it did this year.
Overrated:
Barry Richardson. Yes he is overrated. He’w worse than awful. He’s terrible.
Both underrated AND overrated:
Cassel is both. Odd, I know, but I feel like he might be better than what we think now, but not as good as we hope.
Player on the rise?
Belcher – entering his 3rd year as a starter. Dude’s improved every year.
Biggest need in the draft?
QB
Crennel: Is he a good hire?
Absolutely.
Finally, who’s the best player on the defense?
Ooh… tough one. I want to say Berry… but his potential shouldn’t outweigh DJ’s phenomenal year. It’s close between those 2. And Hali? Shit, I can’t pick. I’ll just say TambaBerryFlowerJohnson is our best defensive player. Without one it’s questionable how good the others will be individually. All for one, one for all…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Subjective...
underrated…Shabby. He really has no rating.
over…Palko. Saying he sucked was too kind.
On the rise…Carr,,,and hopefully it’s not the first plane out of here.
biggest need in the draft? Guys that can step in and play major minutes.
Crennel good…hope so.
best player on D… None. Like the Army says…it’s an army of 1
Concensus/plurality: Lewis on the rise.
Most controversial: Tie between T-Jax and Cassel.
Myself, I don’t think Lewis is on the rise. I think he’s a guy who came to the NFL close to as good as he’ll ever be. We like him so much because he came out of the box with real savvy. But if Berry comes back 100%, it will appear as though Lewis DOES rise. I’m OK if folks mess up the cause-and-effect, so long as things correlate. :o)
would of ≠ would've
Heres my thought..
Most Underrated: Kendrick Lewis- i think we are just scratching the surface on how good he could be. And just wait for Eric Berry to come back so that he doesnt have to play along side Jon McGraw and Sabby Piscitelli.
Most Overrated: Tony Moeaki- Im tired of hearing how good he is going to be.. The guy makes a highlight reel catch two years ago against the 49ers and everyone thinks hes going to be a stud. He needs to find a way to stay healthy for an entire year before I will rank him any higher than a Jared Cook Jr.
Player on the rise: Obviously Justin Houston has skyrocketed to the forefront of up-n-comers.. The guy is getting better every game and i cant wait to see him along side tamba and DJ next year.
Biggest need in the draft: Folks.. if we want to be a legit superbowl caliber team, we MUST have a legit superbowl QB. If Peyton Manning were to come here, that alone makes a superbowl caliber team. Look at what he did in Indy these past few years and now give him a defense and a stud RB with a top notch receiving core- WOW! We must get a QB to have a shot of playing late in January. Whether by trade or draft its a definite must!
Crennel: Absolutely – he is the best hire we could have made. The players look up to him and he doesnt need a rebuild. He can work off of whats happended in the past because he has been here. Transitions will be smoother and he brings a consistency to the team that is very much needed. That being said.. i still have my doubts with him as a Head Coach- i just dont see the ferocity that i did at times with Haley. If i had my way every coach the Chiefs hired would be a Tom Coughlin/Bill Cowher/Jon Gruden type of coach.. Thats just the type of mentality that I like to see from my coaches.
Best player on Defense: Derrick Johnson- Only because i think he is the leader of that defense. You might not have liked Todd Haley as a coach, but dont forget that he got DJ to play to his potential-
"It's still real to me dammit!"
he is still a young man in this league
I think he rubbed alot of coaches and GMs the wrong way with arrogance
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
SBNation.com Recent Stories
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Detroit Lions DT Nick Fairley arrested again; now has more NFL arrests than NFL sacks
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
