Weekly Official AP Mock-tastic Thread 1/31-2/6 Post-Senior-Bowl-edition
Welcome to this week's edition of the Mockery of a Thread.
This past weekend was one of the biggest scouting opportunities before the Combine, with the Senior Bowl practices and game. Many prospects helped make themselves some money (or lose some) based on how they stood out amongst the nation's top Seniors.
h/t to GenericBrand for this link of Senior Bowl analysis
http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39790/60/senior-bowl-12-one-last-look
As usual, I'll set my mock out there for your critical pleasure
1) David DeCastro, G Stanford: I really tried to go a different route here, but I can't do it. DeCastro just makes too much sense for KC, by FAR the best player at a position of need
2) Colby Fleener, TE, Stanford: I like this pick a lot... again, good value, very much a position of need, can help make this offense scary... or at least better :)
3) Antonio Allen, S South Carolina: can really help the secondary as the #3 safety, can cover TEs and shut down the running game.
4) Alameda Ta'amu, DE/NT Washington: I have NO idea why he slips this far, but he represents good value and flexibility for the DLine. (I'm keeping this the same from last week, but IF the Chiefs were to bring in Soliai or Rogers, I could go with Audie Cole, ILB)
5) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal: a Senior Bowl riser, looks like a very good RT prospect
6) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado: depth/development guy at G or T, great size and upside
7) Devon Wylie, WR: Slot WR, 4.38 speed
7) Beau Reliford, TE: FSU: Former Basketball player, good receiver and blocker, lots of upside
(draft rankings from http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012 )
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This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I like that Stag.
Do you really want to double up on guard when we still have Lilja on the roster. I could see double up on S or a LB.
good point
a couple of factors, for this mock:
- Miller was more of a value pick, he could play G or T, if he pans out
- DeCastro would start day ONE… so maybe Lilja doesn’t stick around?
- and, really they need more depth on the interior line anyway
- also, there were just more OLinemen I liked around those picks than S or LB
- finally, I don’t see LB as a huge need, personally
Ta'amu? he couldn't get past DeCastro even one time when they faced off ...
obviously not someone we want, right? ;-)
stiill dunno about that Round Two … have to NAIL that one, but DeCastro and Allen are spot on for 1 and 3
Lilja would be more than welcome to stay on as a backup/spot starter/mentor in my book, with ya all the way, stag! :-)
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what don't you know about Fleener?
I think Lilja will stay… but then again, maybe Richardson doesn’t?
who knows… but Pioli DOES like to double dip at positions of need… so, where better to double dip than OL?
Fleener's probably 3rd, not that I wouldn't take him if he's the best option
Dwayne Allen’s gonna be gone by our 2nd so he’s out, depends too on Free Agency (who’s out there and who we do or don’t get at RT) … and yeah I know you got the prospect Schwatrz but I’d just as soon get a 2nd Rounder who can start (or in theory should start)
none of which is to say I’m “down” on Fleener per se
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agreed
FA could change a lot…
I’d be happy getting a TE in FA, then taking RT earlier.
I actually started this mock with Reiff in the first, and looked for a G later on… but I didn’t like how the cards fell, so I went back to DeCastro
homecoming always feels good
so I went back to DeCastro
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There might be enough nice TEs in FA for us to avoid the need of drafting one.
Could probably say that about RB too though.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
not keen on Finley ... talent yes but seems like he's not much of a "team player"
from what Swags found out over at Acme Packing
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Dreesen is nice
Carlson too. Shiancoe. Kris WIlson….
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
I did like Wilson when he was here
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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By upamtn: I'll do more lookin' and thinkin', but I liked what I saw in Ta'amu.
Pretty rare combo of size and athleticism, from what I saw. Would be cool to have him practicing against Decastro, i.e., pick up both linemen in this next draft. Fact is, we’re targeting Decastro because we think he can shut down ‘most anybody inside, and, if he’s everything we all think he is, that should hold for a college player, which Ta’amu IS.
I think Ta’amu’s higher than 4th-round value, and somebody will snap him up, so you have little to worry about from stadsp’s mock.
I don’t particularly care for the Fleener pick. I think he’s very good, but I think he’d need to have better speed to justify such a high pick, which I’d hesitate to spend on TE, anyway.
would of ≠ would've
Ta'amu is overrated a bit
But i honestly dont see him falling past the 2nd round
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe so. But I have a feeling he'd be a terror as a pro, with the right coaching.
Be nice to have a 3-4 where out of nowhere you swap DE and NT every so often. But at best, you could call my opinions “snap decisions.” I really haven’t done any more diligence than I’ve been paid to do.
would of ≠ would've
With a draft like this, how far can this team carry it's QB?
As long as the QB can manage the game and limit turnovers, we can win the West. That’ll put us at home in the playoffs. Sooner or later that monkey has to jump off of our back so we can win a playoff game.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
Nice, one of the better mocks I've seen, and I've seen 3.
If it’d fall right, I’d just throw a LB in there somewhere.
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
"throw a LB in there"
when he was a kid, Bill Cosby once threatened to run away from home … refused to come home and was pretty defiant towards his mom … when his dad got home he was asked if he still wanted to run away and he nodded yes
so, dad picked him up like a football, held him up in the air with one big, strong arm and asked “ok, how far do you want to go?”
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He then grew up to feed his kids chocolate cake for breakfast
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
And Jello Pudding
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
x

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by chiefs_fan_forever on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
I ran away when I was a kid.
Didn’t get far, as I wasn’t allowed to cross the street.
Strict parents, or did you grow up in Mogadishu?
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
Have any of yall had someone run away to YOUR house?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I ran away TO my girls house as a kid
48 seconds later I was back home.
"There's a reason it's called 'girls gone wild' and not 'women gone wild'. When girls go wild, they show their tits. When women go wild, they kill men and drown their kids in a tub". - Louis CK
smart move
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HA!
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Interesting note from that Senior Bowl analysis
Antonio Allen (6-1/202), South Carolina – I mentioned Allen as a possible rover strong safety/linebacker, but that may be limiting his potential. Allen showed range and a physical side when closing the line or in coverage of tight ends. While Allen’s foot speed may not be outstanding, his abnormally long reach helps in many areas. He’s the No. 2 safety in this draft behind Mark Barron.
With the depth at safety in this draft I could see him going in the second round especially if he has, what I expect to be, a great showing at the combine. People perceive him to not have the footspeed but there’s a good chance he runs 4.4s in shorts which could move him up to the top-middle round two.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
well his stock is rising!
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You have three of my favorite picks in your mock
I think Fleener, Allen and Schwartz are all solid players and represent good value at those spots, if they last that long.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I notice a distinct lack of running back.
I want a new one off the lot, not a free agent with an expiring warranty.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I woulda sacrificed the TE.
We don’t need an all-around, Moeaki can do that. We could get one who’s a receiving or blocking specialist later.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Allen #2, RB #3. TE #4.
Powe’s gonna be a Pro Bowler :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I like this too.
Allen could very well go second round, then Pead or Martin or LJ or Wilson in the 3rd.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind Wilson didn't declare.
Shame.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Who, David Wilson? He's still on CBS' board.
They have some good looking TEs listed around the fourth round, by the way. Ladarius Green, Brian Linthicum, Rhett Ellison.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Did Wilson declare?
He has a little bit of a fumbleitis issue but that can be corrected. Still a nice runner and is like an elusive TJones.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Thanks
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen RB Wilson (Va Tech) mocked as 2nd RB off the board behind Richardson.
Really think we need a RB this year, FA or Draft. Martin , Pierce, Pead in 3rd or Ganaway or Ballard in 4th or 5th. (depending on how combine goes.)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I'll be surprised if he's the second off the board.
He only has one year of production under his belt. He’s probably a 3rd rounder or so.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Two highly rated guys have little on resume.
L. Millert and Wilson don’t have a lot of production but….. that is also to say they don’t have as much wear and tear on the “old chassis”.
Like they car that was driven by the little old lady only on Sundays to church and back.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Yeah, RB probably doesn't need as much tape to evaluate as a lot of othe positions.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
An elusive TJones?
So he’s elusive for 2 yards and then get’s tackled?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
Brandon Bolden is a bit of a sleeper in late rounds
Coming off an injury(ankle) but was highly productive before that, He’s an Ole Miss player which Pioli will like and can block and catch out of the backfield. His stock is way down because of the loss of almost the whole college season.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like a good prospect. CBS says he's a good receiver, gunner on punt coverage.
Look out, Battle.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
As of now Boldin would be a solid pick in about 6th round if he lasts that long.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Charlie Cambell has us taking Lamar Miller in the 2nd
I’d have no problem at all with that pick.. He actually reminds me a lot of our own JC.
Actually, I like his mock a lot, taking Reiff at #11, Miller in the 2nd, Brock Osweiler in the 3rd (the one pick I hate, I’d prefer Ta’amu or Audie Cole here). He also has us taking a WR in the 4th (in case Bowe leaves), but I’d take Trumaine Johnson, who is still on his board there. I’d also like to take a flier on that DT playing in Canada w/ the 84" wingspan in the 5th or later.
What I really like about Cambell’s draft though, is that he has DeCastro being taken at #18. Ideally we could trade back to #14 with Dallas & take their 3rd (pick Brandon Taylor, S, LSU), or back to #17 with Cincy & take their 2nd (Zeitler or Fleener here).
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Great mock...
but I’m not sure Fleener falls to the 2nd round. This kid reminds me a lot of Finley. I could easily see the Broncos snagging him in the 1st. I wouldn’t mind Dwayne Allen of Clemson in the 2nd if he is there.
Broncos need a QB that can throw it to a TE before they get another TE.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'd much rather have Allen than Fleener.
Much better blocker and not too much of a drop off in receiving ability. Not to mention they put up pretty similar numbers when Fleener had Luck and Allen… doesn’t.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, allen is #1
I assumed he’d be gone when KC picks
by stagdsp on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Orson Charles
is the best of breed
Can Have in the 2nd or maybe third
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be down with him
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yo homies, rec this ... rec yo mama, yo papa, yo sista sledge and we are family ... I got all my posse with me!
yaknowhaddimean?
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I know ... and probably going to have 739 comments in 3 days, just like last week
are we pathetic or are we pathetic? (damn, that calls for a poll!)
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by upamtn on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
did you get the email I sent you last night?
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didn't but did now
and she thinks I want too :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions
and back atcha ...
someday, man, someday … save me some Q
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Include it in next weeks pathetic post.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I know … and probably going to have 739 comments in 3 days, just like last week are we pathetic or are we pathetic? (damn, that calls for a poll!)
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
maybe get a little pool going on over / under
winner gets an autographed 8 × 10 color glossy of Joel in his black jammies
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Is that with his Wolverine Spikes in or out?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
either way it's a collector's item, sure to go fast
hurry, order yours TODAY … operators are standing by!
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I tried to buy a Security Camera today
$ 500 for a web enabled model.
Do you need one for the AP World Office?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
nah, but I could use a pair of V-Moda Crossfade M-80 headphones :-)
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Back up the Mountain
You are getting to far from your roots!
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
fantastic comments on this page
one of the blurbs was about the Dr Dre headphones for the Pats, someone commented how absurdly overpriced they are and not all that great anyway
second guy is like “oh yeah? what you got better?”
immediate list of his top 30 or so … lengthy explanation of why he likes this and that, etc … goes on to tell he’s a MAJOR audiophile
long discussion following on headphones, earbuds .. absolute CLASSIC stuff and so wildly off topic
gotta love it!
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Huh
I couldn’t hear what you said…..
:)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
My new Mock Draft
1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
7b. Evan Rodriguez FB Temple
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
haaaaaaaaaaa!
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Championship.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I agree
Rodriguez is a guy that can really push us over the top.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
My predictable mock.
1. Don’t care
2. Antonio Allen
3. Don’t care
4. Really don’t care
5. Oline?
6. Camp fodder
7. Guy with a funny name to give us something to talk about
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Andrew comes before Antonio
Luck > Allen
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Can't argue that logic.
Airtight.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Vontaze Burfict is a funny name
can we get him in the 7th?
Would anybody make fun of him….hmmm
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
only someone with a death wish
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My Mock
Don’t care who we pick as long as we address OL in some way…
and everybody’s favorite QB KELLEN MOORE
You forgot the sarcasm font.
Kellen was compared to one of our own at the Senior bowl. and no I’m not talking about Matt C.
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by chiefs_fan_forever on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
and that needs sarcasm font how?
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We can graft leg extensions on him
or just Peyton’s Neck
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
My new Mock
FA: Bowe, Carr, McClain, Daniels, Gordon, Shaun Rodgers, Rob Ninkovich, Donnie Avery, Ben Grubbs
1) Trade with Chicago, theyre looking to make a big move for a WR/OL and a former Chief as head honcho could mean they trade with us. Grab their 1st, 3rd from the Panthers and a 2013 2nd.
1.19) Mike Adams OT OSU – was dominant in the Senior Bowl, and I see him having a great combine. A bit inconsistent throughout his career, but I see him locking down the RT position with a chance to compete for LT with Albert heading to a contract year.
2) Ladarius Green TE LA-Lafayette – woah a surprise pick here, hes a guy whos stock has been surging in my eyes since the end of the season and should continue to rise once the Combine comes. Hes extremely athletic, has strong hands, is a mis-match for defenses and although isnt the greatest blocker is very willing which goes a long way.
3a) Antonio Allen S/LB S. Car – McGraw with athleticism and more talent, hes a guy im very high on and we may have to draft him in the 2nd which id be fine with.
3b) Doug Martin RB Boise State – we need a guy who can be a 3rd down back, someone who can pass protect, catch and run the ball effectively. JC/Dex arent good blockers, and I dont expect Jones/Battle to be back. So we grab Jones’ younger clone in Martin whom i have rated as the 2nd best 3rd down back in the class outside of Richardson.
4) Emmanuele Acho ILB Texas – pretty good prospect that follows his brother in the 4th round. I think hes a starter down the line with immense potential.
5) Kheeston Randall DE/DT Texas – not a guy who picks up stats but can control the point and effects the game more then the stat sheet says. Sound familiar?
6) Cliff Harris CB Oregon – weed is an issue but there is some talent and value here in the 6th.
7a) Matt Merletti DB UNC – guy coming off an injury, could be worth a flyer late
7b) Hebron Fangupo NT BYU – got some size and potential, just in case Powe doesnt pan out.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Could live with that
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
I like this from round 3 on.
There’s better options then Green in the second and the problems with Adams is he’s not consistant and showed that even this past week at the senior bowl. If we can get Adams early in the second then I’m OK with it but he’s a risk in the first.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
No way Adams makes it to Round 2
Too many teams need OL help, and hes got LT potential and I see the Jason Peters comparison Mayock made. Inconsistency was an issue, but that was at LT, maybe its less of an issue on the right side?
Green is just one of a new wave at the position, and hes got the highest potential of any of the big name TEs(Allen, Fleener, Charles) why I see him going as early as us in the 2nd. Im thinking Finley with better hands, and thats pretty huge.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
I like this.
Don’t like seeing Green go that high…but I wouldn’t be surprised. I bet a lot of these TEs shuffle quite a bit before late April.
I agree with you about Martin. Except that he’s not strictly a 3rd down back, he’s got good size and durability. And that’s why I think he doesn’t last this long.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Oh i agree, as an overall back I have him rated top 5
I think Martin has definite 2nd back potential, and would be a great compliment to Charles/Dex and take majority snaps if needed. On top of that hes got special teams value outside of returning, leadership value and is still raw at the position being a former DB two years ago.
I think he could become the next Ray Rice with a Thomas Jones physique.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Really? I hadn't read that he used to be a DB.
I always thought Tomlinson was a DB playing the wrong position.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Martin could be the vision of The Professors dream
Arenas with full RB duties lol.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
Ha! Could we give 'em both the same number since they "supposedly" play on opposite sides of the ball?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I doubt Adams falls to #19
A lot of mocks have Sanders and such creeping in in the backend of the 1st.
Strong Demand for Tackles of any sort this year.
that is what might make your trade down work:)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Doubt Sanders goes into the first after the Senior Bowl
Hes all but locked in his 2nd round status, Adams still has the character concerns and inconsistency issues, bad senior tape, on top of the fact hes a RT only right now, which pushes him down to top 20.
I see Reiff/Martin around anyways and theyre rated higher, plus Konz/DeCastro/Glenn also around teams will have their pick of OL talent so Adams may slip through the cracks. I could just as easily see him go after pick 19 as much as he can go before.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of teams want Guard talent too
and will eat up the possible Centers available for Guard Duty.
Should we grab a Center Early? We only have One option on our playing board right now.
and he is unproven
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
question
pretend we get DeCastro, given that he starts at LG, given that Lilja is backup and or spot starter, whatever … so …
can Lilja backup at Center?
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I don't know that he ever has
and if he did it was not much, same with Asamoah and everyone else on the roster
Hudson or Bust
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions
is Konz able to play OG?
maybe worth a 2nd if he’s there but not if he’s strictly OC
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Konz goes in the first no matter what
But he could be a good guard I think. Dont see why not, Waters was a center too IIRC.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
originally TE in college ... you know, Albert's Natural Position
yeah I think Waters was tagged at C and might have played it for a year or so …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Baltimore needs a Center
supposedly
Arizona and Tennessee have need at the Center position
if Houston oes not re-sign their Center the will have a need too
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions
How bout
1. DeCastro we all know this guy
2. McCants Tackle Alabama-Birningham
3. Molk Center/Guard Michigan
Line done
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
okies
see, I’m easy to please :-)
now, about those headphones …
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
McCants in the 2nd?
Please tell me youre joking. He might have to move to guard in the NFL.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
you like Glenn, right?
not sure if he can move quickly enough as OT in ZBS
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I dont think hes an OT, and if Ryan OCal can be a RT for us anybody could
I think hes scheme diverse anyways, his 2010 tape at LG shows as much.
We dont even really know what our offense will look like anyways since we dont have an OC, so that point is moot. :p
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Who says that?
NFP and fftoolbox don’t say that
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
From what ive seen at the Senior Bowl practices
I jus didnt really like him at tackle, he feasted on weak cOmpetition in college and it showed when he got to the all star game.
At minimim hell take a year, maybe two to develop and we can easily find that later.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Or earlier
in the draft cause Free Agency is slim pickings for Tackles
I think we are working ourselves into what we should do in the 1st round. Trading down might not be an option
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Trading is always an option, particularly at top 12
Top 10 talents that fall could be highly valued.
Even with the slim pickings in FA I still only see 3 OT picks in he first, and id rather not be the team that reached on a 4th round talent that is extremely raw in the 2nd to beat the rest of the pack.
However, i could be wrong, never know thats why its the draft.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hold on there
1. Kalil
2. Reiff
3. Martin
Why are we grabbing a 2nd round tackle in the 1st :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Oh damn i meant 4
Actually i wouldnt be surprised to see Martin fall out of the first…
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I’m partial to that fear of the screw-the-pooch scenario, where we trade down and miss on all our guys. And in that fear lies the prospect of doing something just as bad, and reaching in the 1st for a guy no better than we might find later on. NFL-readiness for these OTs is very questionable, I think, which makes me trepidatious about spending a 1st.
But then my eyes tell me much different things about the prospects coming up than others are reporting, for instance I like Sanders more than most, and I like Adams a little less than most. Glenn could make a very nice, all-around OL, who could plug in wherever you were weakest, and give you a decent standard of play. All-around basic good is what I like about Sanders, too. The guy may end up inside in a year or two, but better than spending a 1st on a guy with more pure OT up-side, who never realizes it. (sigh)
would of ≠ would've
It think the common knock on Sanders is that he IS kinda locked into tackle with his skill set.
And even more than that, a pass-blocking tackle. If he looks pedestrian against DE bull rushes in practice, I don’t see how he could ever move inside in the NFL. The fear with him is that he’s not scheme-diverse. Glenn, on the other hand, is a 340 lbs’er with quick feet….
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Y'all could be right. OTOH, those drills are defense-biased,
and I’m more looking at the guy’s feet. I saw a lot of the other guys getting passes from the talking heads, when they were just grabbin’ jersey, and it just looked to me like Sanders was trying to do it right. Kinda like Bulaga a couple years ago, only with longer arms. Hard to explain. A feeling that you’d know what you were gonna get. He might improve, but he wouldn’t flat-out blow it.
With no clear purpose in mind in the drill, I think it’s a lot easier to get outside on the OT, which gets him jumpy, which puts him off-balance against the bull rush. Like, my positive take on Ta’amu might be skewed by those very same drills, because he gets more room inside than he’d EVER get in a game..
Even so, my impression is different than most on this. Last year at about this time, I was starting to gush about Sam Acho, on just as little good info.
would of ≠ would've
The thing is it wasnt just drills he struggled
It was during games as well.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:11 AM CST up reply actions
Acho's brother is in the draft this year
People are underrating him too i could see him bring a good fit at SILB
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
They talked him up on NFLN the other day, saying he was
especially enticing, with the success of his brother, Sam.
And yes, stagdsp, I think he’s doing very well in AZ.
would of ≠ would've
Why do you like Sanders?
Hes just so average, and gets beat up by a bull rush. Scouts dont even look at him as a RT prospect, and only a LT like Sherrod last year.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
And you think he can move inside?
He cant even handle bull rushes from 250 lb defensive ends.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
pretty good comparison, Brown was even more athletic
If he could stay healthy hed probably be a starter for the Saints…. At Left Tackle.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think it all started when I liked what Walters said about him.
Prob’ly colored my impression of him in drills. I didn’t break down Senior Bowl, yet. Tried to zero-in on Sanders. In coming weeks, I’ll do isolations on all those guys. Just wish I could see ALL the tackles in that resource.
But I thought he was a better run blocker and more stout than, say, Nate Solder, who went in the 1st last year, and still finds himself in Rodney Hudson land.
I just wish you guys weren’t afraid to call me out. Sucks.
would of ≠ would've
Hey i try to call you out sometimes
Its hard when youre so agreeable, plus those walls of texts can be formidable.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:13 AM CST up reply actions
Just workin' those writer's muscles, without any need to win a pissin' contest.
I came on AP ‘cuz I was bustin’ to air my views on the game, and to hear from other avid watchers what they thought THEIR eyes were tellin’ ’em. Some guys are touchie about being challenged, but I just see it as part of the pursuit of truth.
Shoot, sometimes I just share the random thought, just to see what it sounds like in print. It’s a good way to test your thinking, regardless of whether others respond or not. I shared my algebra notes with a fellow grad student, once, and he later told me they were useless, because so much of the stuff I wrote was just plain wrong. In point of fact, though, I DID pass my prelims, but I had to get a lot of things wrong before I could get ’em right, and half the time, the one kernel of truth was the last 5 lines of 10 pages of CRAP, but once I had those 5 lines, I HAD it, and I could move on to the next idea. My stuff was useless to anybody but me, and once I got to those last 5 lines, I had no need for those 10 pages (although I could always re-learn a lot of that stuff purty quick by skimming those notes.).
would of ≠ would've
HAHAHAHAHA!
Just workin’ those writer’s muscles, without any need to win a pissin’ contest.
Shoot, sometimes I just share the random thought, just to see what it sounds like in print. It’s a good way to test your thinking,
I can identify with this stuff. (sigh)
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 10, 2012 3:52 AM CST up reply actions
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would of ≠ would've
plus I was picking only Offensive lineman
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
At least you weren't picking only Lance Longs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Not quite. Hudson or Harris.
For Harris, it’s right 53 or bust. I think 2011 was his last year of PS eligibility.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think were fine with Hudson/Lilja manning Center
I think Hudson will be fine there, and its not like teams have back-up centers around the league either. Its usually a guard who takes over.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
see, I didn't know that ... and I'm sure Hudson will be fine
usually a guard who takes over
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Weigmann was an upper half Center this year too
sooooooooooooo some of those Center/Guards suck bad
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Well i mean i dont know exactly either
Center isnt usually a position that gets injured, from what Ive seen in games if the center goes out youll see one of the guards. Like with the Steelers, Legursky backs up Pouncey but is listed as a Guard.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
True
or you could have a backup Center replace an injured Guard
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I like it for the most part
1a) Trade with Chicago – good, if we cannot get our QBOTF
1b) Mike Adams OT OSU – ok
2) Ladarius Green TE – hmmm
3a) Antonio Allen S/LB – very good
3b) Doug Martin RB – good
4) Emmanuele Acho ILB – ok
5-7a) dont know anything about these guys; agree with the choice of positions
7b) Hebron Fangupo NT – will be long gone (4th/5th rd)
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Fangupo only has one year of production
On top of that hes strictly a nose, hell be there late like Powe last year.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
in some draft boards he's listed as high as a 3rd rounder
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
So was Powe
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
Mocking my own Mock:
1) OT or OG love DeCastro (Stan) , Reiff (Ia) or Martin (Stan)
2) OT Sanders (FSU) or TE Fleener (Stan)
3) RBs Martin, Pierce, Pead, NY Chapman
4) TE Green (La Laf) or NT Fangupa (BYU) or ILB Johnson (NV) or FS/SS Iloka (Boise
5) RB Ganaway or Ballard
6) DT Baptiste (BU) or Wolfe (Cin) or DE Bequette (Ark)
7) C Vlachos (AL) or TE Reliford (FSU)
7) CB Lynn (PSU) or WR Childs (Ark)
With my luck: All of those 1st round hopefulls will be off the board in the real world so we trade back (Twice) for extra 2nd and exrta 3rd.
1) OG Glenn (GA) Guess what? The guy can play RT as well. or ILB Hightower (AL)
2a) CB Minnifield
2b) FS Merkele Martin (OSU)
3a) OC Brewster (OSU) Possible move to OG.
3b) NT Josh Chapman (AL)
4) TE Green (La Laf) or NT Fangupa (BYU) or ILB Johnson (NV) or FS/SS Iloka (Boise
5) RB Ganaway (BU) or Ballard (MS St) or TE Ellison (USC)
6) DT Baptiste (BU) or DT Wolfe (Cin) or DE Bequette (Ark)
7a) C Vlachos (AL) or TE Reliford (FSU)
7b) CB Lynn (PSU) or WR Childs (Ark)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Joey, do you like gladiators?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Like potato chips "hard to take just one". And.....
….. Sometimes the temptation to “double dip” is just too great.
I am torn between taking a really high rated talent like a OG DeCastro or OT like Martin or Reiff …. or ….Wanting to see a trade back for extra picks…. I really like some of the DB guys that are projected as 2nd or 3rd round picks. Also like some RBs projected for 4th and 5th.
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Could we transfer one of those 2nds
to another 1st next Year.
Ha
I feel like Wimpey, Can I have one of the hamburgers today……
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
This one speaks to me, CatChief.
I’m not as worked-up about the 1st-round OTs, but then I haven’t seen zip, because the top 3 didn’t attend Senior Bowl. I even forgive you the 3rd round RB pick, but I wonder why there’s no 3rd or 4th at that position in your MegaBoard.
Would love to have a pair of 2s and a pair of 3s, though. With that setup, there are about a zillion variations that I’d like.
I want to know more about Brewster. Seems like he knows his stuff and plays with ferocity.
would of ≠ would've
I see 2nd and 3rd rounds as loaded and "Like a kid in a candy store" hard to choose just one.
Thus …. trade back ……
2nd Rounders: RB; Wilson, OT; Sanders, OG Zietler, TE; Allen (if not gone in 1st), Fleener, DT; Poe, Ta’amu, S; Martin, CB; Minnifield.
3rd Rounders: RBs; Martin, Pierce, Pead, OT; Datko (If healthy), Mosely, Potter, OG; Washington, OC; Brewster, NT; Chapman, SS; Allen, CBs; Gilmore, Johnson (Mont), Johnson (Ia St)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Yes.
I’d have to see a lot more of Datko. As it stands, I’m not too keen. If it were between Brewster and him in the 3rd, I’m not sure I wouldn’t go Brewster, who strikes me as a scrapper with some real beef.
would of ≠ would've
After the top four OTs I see nothing to get excited about.
Kalil, Reiff, Martin and Adams all seem better suited as a ZBS LT. Better at Pass Blocking than Power Run Blocking. All seem a little willowy and more athletic than powerfull. Martin may be best of the lot at run blocking in our ZBS scheme???? Not sure .
After this group I like the Big OG Glenn as someone to convert to RT or leave as a big Guard to bulk up our interior. Even at 340 lbs the guy has indications that he would fit a ZBS system. Ideal target if we trade back. Doubt he will last until our pick in 2nd round.
The best OT prospects will go early because they are OTs not because they are best talent value at that pick. DeCastro or Konz may be best talent at O-Line in mid 1st round. Glenn may be best talent later in 1st. After that I like OC Brewster and OG Zietler in 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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Adams is a much better run blocker
But highly athletic, dude is like 320 lbs but carries it very well.
I actually dont expect them all to go early in the 1st, the talent just isnt there i see a scenario playing out like last year Where they go throughout the first.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
I believe Glenn started @ RT in the Senior Bowl.
I think that’s one of the reasons I’m more partial to Zebrie Sanders than most folks, here. I have the same general impression about those OTs as you do, and I feel like Sanders could run-block better than those guys. But then one of my many loving critics tells me that Sanders is LT-only material and doesn’t have enough lead in his ass for RT.
So I’ll go back to what little footage I have, armed with the wisdom of my critics (disagree-ers, or whatever), and see if I have it wrong on Sanders.
But yeah, I think there’s definite RT potential in Cordy Glenn, and I am partial to the more physical RT over the willowy athletic type, or willowy and slow type (Mims?). And those top 4 kinda remind me of Nate Solder, who obviously has his uses, but did NOT crack the starting lineup, except for an injury in the guy ahead of him. At the time, he seemed like a reach-for-need, and he still kinda seems like a reach-for-need that didn’t quite pan out as a rookie.
would of ≠ would've
Pretty sure Glenn started at LT
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
Schwartz is a baller!
Two furd players, 1 Cal and 1 Udub…I can’t get behind this Pac12 heavy draft!
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by Another Successful Tedford QB on Jan 31, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions
Question?
If you had to pair a Conference with a playing position this year What would you group?
Big Ten = Offensive Lineman
Big Twelve
Pac Twelve
SEC
ACC
and so on
that, Sir, requires some research :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
not really
QB = Big Ten
Big Twelve is down across the board
ILB = SEC
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 31, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
you already know the answers, why you asking the rest of us dummies? :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Big Ten QBs? Only two in CBS's top twenty. Big 12 has three, with two ranked higher than any Big 10 QB.
Methinks you have a man-crush influencing your rankings :)
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DB= SEC
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by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not easy ...pretty spread out this year?
Big Ten = Offensive Lineman; Adams, Konz, Rieff, Brewster
Big Twelve = QBs; RGlll, Tannyhill, Weeden
Pac Twelve = OL also: Kalil, Martin, DeCastro
SEC = Secondary; Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Gilmore, Banks, Boykin,Barron, Allen, Lester,
ACC = ? D-Line; Coples, Thompson, Branch, Johnson,
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Devon Wylie
Is a natural catcher of the football who has some savvy to his game working his way open and adjusting to the catch. Is a tough kid who is willing to work the middle of the field and will get up and attack the football. Lets the ball get into his body too often underneath, but secures the ball quickly and showcases the initial suddenness to slip a defender and accelerate. Gets up to speed quickly and showcases good straight-line speed. Isn’t as shifty when trying to avoid the bump off the line, as he has a tendency to really run around corners on the outside. But exhibits very good straight-line speed with the ability to get behind and track the football vertically.
Is a big threat on special teams as well. Is a gifted return man who accelerates quickly, has a good feel and has the quick’s to make defenders miss. Plus he’s a tough gunner, who will get down the field and tackle. Isn’t the kind of size/speed guy you want at the position at the next level, but it says a lot about his toughness.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=35103
Would let Arenas and McCluster focus on their primary jobs as CB/RB
Wouldnt mind Wylie, and love the idea of Dex/Javy(mostly Javy) getting a break
Only problem is Wylie is never healthy, as a late round flyer though what do we got to lose?
Its not like we take guys off our board just because he gets injured.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 31, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Select A or B
Is still developing as a pass blocker, displays solid range off the edge and looks athletic enough to reach speed. However, struggles to keep his base down, isn’t real technically sound/compact with his footwork and has a tendency to get overextended and double over the waist when looking to anchor. Takes good angles initially, but struggles to shuffle and slide through the play. Loses his balance easily and can be overwhelmed easily on contact because his weight is typically on his toes and he doesn’t stay real compact with his footwork lunging into contact. Does a much better job keeping his hands up and base down when he needs to block down or handle bigger/slower defensive ends off the edge where he can play with power. However, vs. speed he chicken wings his arms on his drop in order to create momentum, exposes his frame and doesn’t keep his hands up ready to uncoil on his punch.
or
XXXXXX exhibits elite range when asked to pull and get out to the second level. He is very coordinated in space, moves effortlessly and has the flexibility to cleanly drop his pad level and cut down defenders on contact. He coils up into his stance well and exhibits a good initial snap through the hips into contact, extending his arms well off the ball and initially gaining leverage. He moves his feet in order to mirror and maintain his angle. However, he will begin to pop upright through contact, limiting his natural power and taking away from his push and ability to stay engaged through contact.
B
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
I choose this one
Axxxxxx Axxxx (6-1/202), South Carolina – I mentioned Allen as a possible rover strong safety/linebacker, but that may be limiting his potential. Allen showed range and a physical side when closing the line or in coverage of tight ends. While Allen’s foot speed may not be outstanding, his abnormally long reach helps in many areas. He’s the No. 2 safety in this draft behind Mark Barron.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
First is a tackle, second sounds like a guard. Can the second guy pass block?
Were both reviews written by the same person?
Ya know, making decisions in an self-imposed vacuum might lead one to consider drafting an Alabama RB in the first round :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
B sounds like Decastro
A is…dont know
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Google snippits to find out who they are
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
That takes all the fun out of it though :p
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 1, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well after you have guessed haha
Not before
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
New one
Sign Carr, Franchise Bowe
Sign FA’s LT Demetrius Bell, TE Jacob Tamme
Trade down with Chicago (as mentioned by others) to #19, we pick up their #50. We send Dorsey to Philly and get a second rounder #51.
R1 #19 G David DeCastro-Stanford
R2 #43 LB Vontaze Burfict-Arizona St.
R2 #50 S Antiono Allen-S. Carolina
R2 #51 RB Lamar Miller-Miami
R3 #76 NT Hebron Fangupo-BYU
R4 #106 DE Jaye Howard-Florida
R5 #139 CB Donnie Fletcher-Boston College
R6 #170 FS George lloka-Boise St
R7 #203 Ath Chris Rainey-Florida
very nice. but only if BRich's replacement is in place before the draft...
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Alright
Free Agents
BenJarvis Green-Ellis RB. NE connection. RBs are expendable in NE and Law Firm has a sure set of hands.
Paul Soliai NT. I say we grab him. We’ve got the money and now that Miami is switching to a 4-3 he will probably be let go
Dwayne Bowe WR. Has put up great numbers despite lousy QBs. Shown great maturity over the last two years and has not said anything to indicate he wants out of KC for a big pay day.
Brandon Carr CB. Pioli should know that Brandon is important to the defense and that losing him and trying to get a rookie to fill his shoes is risky. To quote CraiginCalgary. “why take the boat when you can take the mystery box. it might even be a boat”
LeRon McClain FB. Showed a lot of passion. Wasn’t used properly by Haley and Muir. Hopefully the new OC can scheme him into the offense because I think he has a lot to offer
Draft
We trade 11 to Cincy for there second 1st and there second round pick. They move up for Richardson
1st: Dont’a Hightower ILB. Replaces Belcher and improves our run D.
2nd: Kevin Zeitler OG: Promising Guard. can sit a year and learn just like all our interior linemen do.
2nd: Zebrie Sanders RT. Disappointing senior bowl but middle second round is good value.
3rd: George Iloka DB. Versatile DB. Played FS but also played a couple of games at CB for Boise State this season due to injuries. That kind of versatility is what we need out of our nickel DBs
4th: Alameda Ta’amu NT. The amount of nickel we run means the NT doesn’t see that much of the field meaning we can wait til the 4th round. Ta’amu is good value here and looks like he can become a two gap NT for us.
5th: Brock Osweiler QB. Very raw but high ceiling. Only mid round QB I think has a chance to be great. Needs coaching and to learn but a couple years behind Orton(hopefully) or Cassel(hopefully NOT) and he might develop into something.
6th: BPA
7th: BPA
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
Yes we do sign Kyle Orton
Can’t believe I forgot to put that in.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 1, 2012 7:14 AM CST up reply actions
Agree with Mock FA and Mock Draft.... sooooo........
won’t happen…. too good to be true….. I agree; but will Pioli?
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Nice offseason
I don’t like the Hightower pick though. Personally I don’t think he’s worth anything more then a late 2nd rounder but that aside….Belchers problem isn’t run defense, he’s actually very good at defending the run especially in the middle of the field. His problem is pass rush and dropping into coverage. Based on that, Hightower drafted for that reason would only be a small upgrade if that because he’s a hell of alot slower then Belcher and Hightower would probably be a marginal upgrade in pass defense. Not enough upgrade to spend a first rounder on.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Disagree.
Belcher’s run defense struggles are mental. He mis-diagnoses running lanes and plays, hesitation gets him blocked. Hightower has good experience playing ILB in a 3-4, so his total reactions would be faster and more accurate even if his foot speed is slower.
That said, Belcher is a converted small-school DE and still learning by leaps and bounds, so I have hope that he’ll show a jump in play this year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I like the trade down option and think there is a legitimate chance Cincy would be interested
I like the extra second we get so it got to BPA at PON. No OT’s will be around. TE and S would be a reach at that point. could possibly go Lamar Miller at RB but again it would be reaching. I like Hightower as a prospect. Good experience in the 3-4. Can bring a pass. Also Belcher is not signed yet. He is a bit on the slower side and I will be interested to see his 40 time. But experience in the 3-4 and leading the number 1 defense does it for me
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:59 AM CST up reply actions
can bring a pass rush*
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 2, 2012 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
1) RG3/qb baylor(trade-d.bowe/g.dorsey&
2 firsts)
2) Bobby Massie/ot ole miss(trade down)
3) Tommy Streeter/ wr miami
4) Bernard Pierce/ rb temple
4) Lonnie Edwards/ g texas tech
5) J.R Sweezy/ 3-4 de n.c state
6) Janzen Jackson/ s McNeese st
7) Anthony Miller/ te cal
7) T-bob Hebert/ c lsu
*Paul Soliai/ nt mia FA
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Feb 1, 2012 1:05 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Several players I like in that draft
However giving up 3 firsts for RGIII? No thanks, Swap firsts this year/Bowe/3rd(or greater depending on his play) next year.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Nice, first one I've seen showing what might happen if we trade up.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
This is how I see it going down.
1) Trent Richardson, RB (Alabama) – I don’t think this is wishful thinking. If he’s available at 11, he’s the best player available, and at a position of need. No brainer.
2) Orson Charles, TE (Georgia) – The lack of production at the TE position killed our passing game in 2011. Charles/Moeaki will make a dangerous two TE set. Orson Charles averaged 14.7 YPC in his college career, and had a knack for making clutch catches.
3) Nate Potter, OT (Boise) – 6’6" 300lbs and great feet. He’s an immediate upgrade at RT. There is no way we go after a RT in the first round like many suggest.
4) Jerry Franklin, ILB (Arkansas) – One of the most reliable run stoppers in the SEC. Four year starter and All SEC-Team honors.
5 – George Iloka, S (Boise) – At 6’4" he is the tallest safety in the draft. He’s versatile…playing both safety positions and CB. His draft stock could easily go up after the combine and he may be long gone before we get to the 5th round….but if not I love him in big nickel covering Gates.
6 – Casey Hayward, CB (Vanderbilt) – Reminds me a little of Flowers. Very physical tackler, quicker than he is fast, and is pick six waiting to happen in zone coverage.
7a -Jaymes Brooks, OG (Virginia Tech) – Reading about this guy, you might think he would go higher. Great work ethic, and smart. This guy can jump out of the gym. Powerful inside presence. He might be the best interior lineman no one has heard of.
7b – Mike Willie, WR (Arizona State) – Described as having surprising strength and athleticism. Also a VERY good blocker. Special teams?
Richardson better than DeCastro?
Don’t think so.
It was the lack of production at the TE position that killed the passing game? Funny.. I thought it was lack of QB play..
Potter may be a guard at this level
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 1, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Everybody always sees a sparkly they want before eating their veggies.
That said, back to the kitchen to finish making that pizza.
would of ≠ would've
Gimme coffee over veggies anyday
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
Coffee isnt a veggie?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
It's a drug haha
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Awesome Mock!
And I agree with yoyuthat our passing game suffered after losing Moeaki. He was Cassel’s security blanket in 2010, so we mos def gotta make sure that mistake doesn’t repeat itself. I am curious though, why did you go with Charles instead of Dwayne Allen out of Clemson. Either way solid mock!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 7, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
This Walter Football Mock Draft for the Chiefs makes sense, if Richardson is on the board at our pick I want us to take him regardless of whether Decastro is there or not.
“Jamaal Charles will be back next year, but the Chiefs have never been convinced that he can carry the load. That’s even a more unreasonable expectation in 2012 given that he’s coming off a torn ACL.
Trent Richardson is by far the top player available. He would give Kansas City the top one-two punch at running back in the NFL.
For Chief fans who want a tackle or something else over Richardson, let me remind you of Arizona’s 2007 NFL Draft. The Cardinals had a very slight need at running back (as much as Kansas City needs one), and Adrian Peterson was on the board at No. 5. They instead opted to take an inferior talent who filled a much bigger need. Five years later, I’m sure Arizona would rather have Peterson over Levi Brown.
Richardson is the best running back prospect since Peterson. Taking him here is the right move because you don’t choose a Levi Brown over an Adrian Peterson."
Agreed
and Roll Tide. Trent really is the best RB I’ve seen in a long time. If he’s on the board, we have to take him.
getusome sucka!
As good as the UDFA they have in Houston?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Feb 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the latest for your spears to be thrown at
My mocks are based on availability on drafttek’s mocks. I favor BPA at position of need.
Round Pick Selection School Height Weight Position Value/Reach
1 12 Trent Richardson Alabama 5’11" 224 RBF Value +8
2 43 Dwayne Allen Clemson 6’4" 255 TE Push
3 76 Bobby Wagner Utah State 6’0" 235 WILB Value +9
4 106 Mitchell Schwartz California 6’5" 324 ROT Value +5
5 139 Kellen Moore Boise State 6’1" 191 QB Value +5
6 170 DaJohn Harris USC 6’4" 305 DE34 Value +7
7 203 Robert Blanton Notre Dame 6’0" 200 CB Reach -10
getusome sucka!
Why do we draft a WILB?
I thought DJ was pretty good already
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 AM CST up reply actions
Don't be so sure
I struggled with that pick because there was a higher rated 3-4 OLB, but Moore could be a diamond in the rough (in the 5th round). The guy is a gamer. He’d just have to get used to the speed and level of competition, but he could end up being a steal.
getusome sucka!
He won't be successful in the NFL
Does not have the arm strength nor the build to do it. Been saying this for the longest time, at the Sr bowl practices people finally started to see it
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Walter just did a new mock
Trent Richardson
Zebrie Sanders
Leonard Johnson
Michael Egnew
I hate it.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
If we signed Carl Nicks, I wouldn't hate it
Otherwise, we still have the big hole at G.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
No hole at guard we still got Lilja
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Charlie Campbell on the other hand...
Riley Reiff
Lamar Miller
Brock Osweiler
Gerrell Robinson
Now this i could live with, would be hard to stomach Osweiler in the 3rd though. Lamar Miller in the 2nd makes it much easier to do.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Now that is an RB to pair with JC
I could live with Brock that high, due to how much potential he does have. Robinson.. Would rather have Pead/Bradham. Guy/Pierce go right before the 4th round pick haha
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 6:00 AM CST up reply actions
I view Brock as a 5th rounder
He has a ton of work to put in, his overall game is a huge mess and I doubt Pioli drafts him anyways.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
He wont last that long
too much upside and almost every team is looking for the franchise guy, or the guy to groom
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Hes not Ryan Mallet though
Id rather draft Wilson in the 5th
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
More mobile,maybe not as big of an arm, bigger frame, just raw
No drug baggage either
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Quick one
RESIGNINGS:
-Dwayne Bowe
-Brandon Carr
-Le’Ron McClain
-Cory Greenwood (re-signed)
-Brandon Siler (re-signed)
FREE AGENTS:
-Peyton Manning – QB – Colts (wishful)
-Paul Soliai – NT – Dolphins
-Matt Slater – WR/ST – Pats
-Jacob Tamme – TE – Colts
-James Sanders – S – Falcons
-Andra Davis – ILB – Bills
DRAFT:
1. David DeCastro – G – Stanford
2. Zebrie Sanders – OT – Florida St.
3. Antonio Allen – S – Georgia
4. Bruce Irvin – OLB – West Virginia
5. Josh Chapman – DE/NT – Alabama
5. Davin Meggett – RB – Maryland
6. Charles Brown – CB – UNC
7. William Vlachos – C – Alabama
‘THE RIGHT 53’ DEPTH CHART:
QB: Peyton Manning, Matt Cassel, Ricky Stanzi
RB: Jamaal Charles, Dexter McCluster, Davin Meggett
FB: Le’Ron McClain
WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jon Baldwin, Steve Breaston, Keary Colbert, Terrance Copper, Matt Slater
TE: Tony Moeaki, Jacob Tamme, Anthony Becht
LT: Branden Albert, Steve Maneri
LG: David DeCastro, Ryan Lilja
C: Rodney Hudson, William Vlachos
RG: Jon Asamoah
RT: Zebrie Sanders, David Mims
Offense: 25 players
RDE: Glenn Dorsey, Allen Bailey, Brandon Bair
NT: Paul Soliai, Jerrell Powe
LDE: Tyson Jackson, Amon Gordon, Josh Chapman (IR)
ROLB: Tamba Hali, Cam Sheffield
SILB: Brandon Siler, Andra Davis
WILB: Derrick Johnson, Cory Greenwood
LOLB: Justin Houston, Bruce Irvin
RCB: Brandon Carr, Jalil Brown
SCB: Javier Arenas, Charles Brown
LCB: Brandon Flowers
FS: Kendrick Lewis, James Sanders
SS: Eric Berry, Antonio Allen, Donald Washington
Defense: 25 players, 1 IR
K: Ryan Succop
P: Dustin Colquitt
LS: Thomas Gafford
Special Teams: 3 players
REGULAR SEASON RECORD: 16-0
2013 SUPER BOWL CHAMPION
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
very good work, buddy
I’m nitpicking here, but:
give me:
- Joel Dreessen instead of Tamme
- keep Belcher instead of Davis
- (4th) Audie Cole over Bruce Irvin, and keep Studebaker as the backup OLB
- (5th) Brandon Bolden over Meggett
- (6th) Devon Wylie over Slater and Charles Brown (keep Daniels for CB depth)
- (7th) Levy Adcock over Vlachos
Levy Adcock?
Hes more likely to go in the 2nd then the 7th
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 2, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like Audie Cole
Takes poor angles. Really just not impressed watching him play. A guy I do like is Adrien Cole out of La-Tech as a potential 7th rounder.
I like other corners better than Brown, but he has 3 years starting experience at the nickel position and shuts down slot receivers. In sub packages, we can have him and Javier on the slots and Carr and Flowers on the outside.
Andra Davis’ best years were in Cleveland under Romeo. He hasn’t succeeded elsewhere, but I am really just tired of the Belcher experiment. I do think Belcher would probably be a better fit, just b/c he could play in sub-packages, whereas Davis is more of a 2-down SILB and we already have Siler.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
+1
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Keary Colbert
to come back and replace Jeremy Horne?
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
If we get to the point we are arguing Colbert vs. Horne
I’ve done my job.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
And you did a good one.
A lot will have issue with your Zebrie Sanders pick, but not me, at least not ’til I re-watch Senior Bowl week.
would of ≠ would've
Heh. I was thinking Jerheme Urban when you said Horne.
I really like Colbert, for some strange reason. I wondered why he wasn’t used more. Seemed to be sure-handed in traffic and seemed to run good routes.
Horne had an “I’m the fastest and the bestest” hangover from college, I think. Like a reacher and a grabber in the OL rookie class, a guy who was used to having a physical advantage in the amateurs, and had a lot of technique/attitude polishing to do, in order to be a solid NFL player. But like an earlier Horn, who played wideout for the Chiefs, I would hate to see them cast aside somebody with speed, RIGHT when he turns the corner. I hated to lose Joe Horn, and it burns me to hear Drew Brees speak of him so fondly.
would of ≠ would've
Fantastic mock Stag
I’d be more than comfortable with this. First 4 rounds especially.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
I love this draft very nice post!
This would be a great draft for us fills almost everything!
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 2, 2012 2:55 PM CST via Android app reply actions
--My mock-- Using CBS rankings
Resign Brandon Carr, Franchise and trade Dwayne Bowe Rams for a 2nd this season and a 1st next year.
Trade down with Cincinatti for pick number 21 as well as a 3rd rounder this year and a 2nd next year.
1. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St.
An instant and large upgrade at RT with LT potential.
2. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
Insurance in case Charles doesn’t regain his elite status and also a 1-2 punch.
2. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
Jeffery lacks great speed but he has great size and leaping ability. Jeffery and Baldwin on the outside is a lot for a defense to deal with.
3. Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
A safety with a lot of talent and all the measurables that can be trained up by Crennel.
3. Mike Brewster, C, Ohio St.
Interior Line depth with Weigy moving on. Hudson starts and Brewster is depth at G/C.
4. Alameda Ta’amu, DE/NT, Washington
A piece for Crennel to mold and use much the same way he used Shaun Smith.
5. Rhett Ellison, TE, USC
A big tight end with 4.7 speed that can provide quality depth.
6. Chris Galippo, ILB, USC
A SILB candidate that has fallen because he doesn’t fit in the Cover 2 USC uses.
7. Tyler Urban, TE, West Virginia
TE depth that has all the measurables you look for.
7. Lance Lewis, WR, East Carolina
ST help and depth at WR. 6’1" with 4.5 speed could be a solid possession receiver.
Harrison Smith over Markelle Martin?
What about Allen as the late 2nd, and Streeter as a third? Big frame, great speed, raw but has shown the ability to get passed DBs and also catch with his hands
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well I really like Harrison Smith and Mayock loves him
Mayock is on record saying Smith will go in the second round at the latest. And yes i like him more than Martin or Allen for what we need. And i couldn’t pass on Jeffery for a safety.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Well you would be getting a better FS prospect IMO and a raw big fast WR
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not looking for a deep free safety. We have that in Lewis.
I want an all around safety that can take over for McGraw and backup both spots. Harrison Smith has the athleticism and smarts to be a great player and I trust RAC and Thomas to put him in the best spots to succeed.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
They get another NT, and maybe the segue to nickel is same base, with that 3rd safety.
It’s becoming a popular choice, these days, getting more speed on the field, without sacrificing the rock in the middle.
would of ≠ would've
Maybe I'm looking at things a little differently
However why not have 2 safeties that can cover deep when we use those 3 safety sets, and let Berry roam/man up?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 5:45 AM CST up reply actions
That can work as well but i don't like how telegraphic our defense already is.
With Harrison Smith we could play him close to the line and let Berry drop or swap that. We can send either on a blitz, either one can cover TE’s, it just adds to the confusion. I don’t feel as confident in Martin handling that. And Allen just looks out of place playing deep safety.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Smith reminds me of Sabby to much
Great body & athleticism, but the brain hasnt been there to put it together
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
He is a smart kid. Does well at Notre Dame a fine academic institution
It could just be he is with a defensive coordinator that couldn’t utilize his strengths. But in the third i would rather take a player that has a high ceiling and maybe hasn’t been coached up than a player who appears to be as good as he will be and it wasn’t anything special.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 4, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Havn't seen enough of him to know if he could cover TEs or WRs
The little I have seen, he doesn’t look the quickest nor the smartest.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
The idea of a S/LB 'tweener's been growing on me.
Guys like that Zach Brown kid, for instance. As for a deep roamer, I think Javy could do a nice job with that, and I like his instincts and vision. A bigger guy to jam people at the line, with Javy playing back, and using his extra gear to close on the deep balls, could eliminate some of the issues I have with Javy’s height.
New England caught KC in nickel, with Javy in tight, and then they ran the ball, taking advantage of KC’s DBs.
This being said, that’s the ONE thing that was criticized about Zach Brown, as a LB. Still, he’s one stout safety, if that’s how you play him, imo. Also, if KC picks up another NT or 5-tech DE, who has more in the way of pass rush, they can stick with that base 3-man line, and swap out Belcher for a speedier LB/S ’tweener, and still be stout against the run AND be able to play physical at the line against the extra (big) wideout and/or the TE.
would of ≠ would've
I think Zach Brown plays a lot like DJ56
He would be a great WILB, but we are set there.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
He's faster. Closer to that freak in SFO, but with more LB instincts.
Not Willis. I’m talking about that freak safety Singletary brought in.
The reason I’m talkin’ up the guy is he’s faster than McGraw, Sabby, LEWIS, and probably Flowers and Daniels. I think RAC and Thomas coach up the DBs just fine, and this is a guy who could play TE killer, even against Vernon Davis (another SFO freak) or Aaron Fernandez. Low 4.4’s.
The strike against him is he’s not going to engage big blockers. As a LB, he might be a good backup for WILB, provided KC’s front 3 are eatin’ up blockers. But I see him more as a SS wildcard kind of guy, who’ll run-stuff as good or better than most any SS, but have SPEED.
I usually turn up my nose at S/LB ’tweeners, but the guy has SPEED, which allows you to mix things up a lot more out off the same pre-snap.
would of ≠ would've
Sounds like an interesting guy.
Sounds like he’d be solid in zone, but I’d worry about him in man covereage. That takes some technique that he probably hasn’t spent much time learning.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He ran downfield with TEs in the Senior Bowl.
Most assuredly needs some work, but he’s a potential TE killer, from the LB side.
would of ≠ would've
I'll be shocked
if Jeffery makes it out of the top 35. If he does, I’d love to have him, but I just don’t see it happening.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
I wouldn't be shocked but i would be a little surprised.
He is big and he can make the circus catches but he runs a mid 4.5 and if he has a bad 40 at the combine people will really question his big play ability. He also didn’t show a great ability to break tackles or make people miss.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on his ball skills. Guy named Jurevicius looked pretty good, at one time.
Something i worry about with those guys is how long they can last, because they make up the difference by giving up their bodies.
would of ≠ would've
Almost the exact same report was made
on Sidney Rice when he came out of South Carolina. Minus the injuries, he is a very talented player.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
Not sure Sidney Rice is a great comparison to help your case.
He has been in the league 5 years and has 2600 yards receiving. Not exactly special.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 7, 2012 2:27 AM CST up reply actions
That mainly has to do with injuries
Rice is talented, just can’t stay on the field long enough to prove it
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 5:54 AM CST up reply actions
Also Sidney Rice was drafted at pick 2.12 right where we might be picking.
And right where i had him in our draft.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 7, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
No way jeffery goes in the 2nd
Especially late in the 2nd
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
its not my rankings.
its cbssports rankings and they typically dont miss big on players. jeffery lacks elite seperation and quickness ability.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Still doesnt matter
Jeffery will go way before the later 2nd just because ranked it that way doesnt make it true. this is why I hate rating systems and laughed at how some people could draft RGIII in the 3rd round.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 3, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone rankings are different
At least this way people can use the same rankings(CBS) to come up with their mocks
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
You realize that the "late second" you are mentioning is our pick at 11/12?
We got the rams second at the beginning of the round and our second at 11/12. It is definitely possible that Jeffery could be just inside the top 50 picks.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well i have us resigning Carr and franchising Bowe
If we Franchise Carr and resign Bowe. Minniefield is the pick. This draft is about addressing needs and adding picks to make a move for the number 1 overall next year. Gives us 2 firsts and 2 seconds next season.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I think re-signing both Carr and Bowe is the prime computation.
I can see more than one scenario in which Minnifield’s the pick in the top 1/2 of the 2nd. And I’m not either-or on this. My standard trade-down makes Minnifield possible. And I’d not hesitate to take him, with Carr re-signed, as well.
Assuming a good job can be done @ RT, somewhere in there, I’d be likely to take Dre Kirkpatrick in the 1st, truth be known.
would of ≠ would've
This
Almost no way that Jeffery doesn’t go in the first.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
As much as the Chiefs need to sign him
I see them having to tag Carr then trade him to Detroit (where he wants to go) This will force the Chiefs into a draft that will look like this
1) Dre Kirkpatrick CB, Bama
2) Next best Tackle available. Could be Sanders, but I doubt it, probably will be Bobbie Massie from ole Miss
2b) (from Detroit for Carr) Ta’amu NT Wazzu—I was happy to hear that his reputation for an inconsistent motor didn’t emerge during the Senior Bowl
3) Audie Cole ILB NCSt—I don’t know much about him, but Mel Kiper likes him and he should be available
4) Michael Egnew TE — I still don’t like mizzou, even more so after they went to the SEC, but this kid can play and would be great value in the 4th
5-7) build depth at guard, safety and running back
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Feb 3, 2012 8:06 AM CST reply actions
When has it been said that Carr wants to go to the Lions?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Have you a source on this or just basing it all on Gunther Cunningham?
TheValleybetterthanPAC12: Aside from your needlessly Ent-ish handle, do you have real info that says Carr wants out? From Pioli’s side, we all know it’s his #1 priority in player personnel.
Interesting way of playing it, though. Sign Bowe, apparently, and tag Carr. Take the 2nd-rounder from DEEtroit.
I also liked Ta’amu. Guy is big and he’s quick. He’s a guy you can trim 10 pounds of fat off, and he’s your prototypical six-foot, two-and-a-half-inch, 330-pound NT. A lot of folks don’t seem interested in him in the 2nd, and some even seem to think he’ll be sittin’ there in the 4th. But I like the 2a and 2b picks. Right up my alley.
I’m not sure about Egnew. I feel like he’d have to have something more special in speed for me to spend a draft pick on him, since blocking is foreign to him. Heck, the Chiefs ask their receivers to do more blocking than I’ve seen him do. Somebody who’s watched him more than I have (not hard to do) might have a different opinion on this.
would of ≠ would've
I would hate this
So we would essentially be trading Carr for a 4th rounder and hoping Kirkpatrick develops to Carr’s level.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
If the guy doesn't want to play in KC, maybe you and he are better off with a trade.
But the minute you spoke up, a mere 2nd-round pick DOES seem pretty paltry for a FINE corner, who’ll play at a higher level in 2012 than any corner in the draft I can think of.
So I wouldn’t like it, either, Nick. I have a feeling the asking price might be higher than just a 2nd for Carr, if he pushed really hard to be traded, which I don’t think he’s going to do. I think Carr is tied for #1 priority with Dwayne Bowe. It’s one thing Pioli said, loud and clear, so I expect it’s the truth. I HOPE Carr signs something like a Flowers deal, and that Pioli’s willing to meet him, there. The only reason to pay Flowers more would be for out-performing his rookie deal sooner and by a greater amount. Flowers was pro-ready when he came outta the box, but he’s kinda like Bulaga in having certain things that just aren’t gonna happen. Carr had some things to work on, and he has. I think his ceiling is literally and figuratively higher than Flowers’s is, right now. Payin’ ’em the same seems fair, to me.
Next go-round, maybe Carr’s worth the fatter deal.
would of ≠ would've
I haven't seen any evidence that Carr doesn't want to play here
I have heard in player interviews that our defensive secondary all love Crennel and Emmitt Thomas and they have a tight friendship. I don’t see Carr wanting to leave.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
That's a relief, Nick, stags.
Somebody was on here the other day talking about how Carr has been rumbling about wanting to get a pay day and/or move on. What you two are saying is more in-line with my thinking, but if somebody heard somethin’…
would of ≠ would've
I haven't seen or heard anything like that
his interview on 610, he stayed very professional, didn’t discuss it much, but said something to the effect of “if all goes right, I’ll be back”
Here is mine with the thoughts that Bowe and Carr are signed. No other FA signed.
RD 1. David Decartro – G
RD 2. Alamenda Ta’amu – NT
RD 3. Antonio Allen – S
RD 4. Mitchell Schwartz – OT
RD 5. Vick Ballard – RB
RD 6. Chris Galippo – LB
RD 7. Beau Reliford – TE
RD 7. Marquis Maze – WR
Still have
a GLARING need at RT…that makes me very nervous. No QB?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Schwartz I feel will be an upgrade, and I have a good feeling about Mims.
Since we red shirted Stanzi for the most part I think he should get the benefit of the doubt. I believe Orton will be part of this team next year when it starts. Loser of the Cassell vs Orton will be trade bait.
good thoughts
I like Schwartz and Mims as well… lots of potential, but it’s risky.
love the rest of the draft, though
Didn't they move Mims up from PS, to protect him?
When I was talkin’ up Zebrie Sanders, many mentioned Schwartz as every bit the player Sanders is, only more likely to be available in the 4th. So if you like Sanders at all, maybe you’re OK with Schwartz.
But as to RT, I bet Demetrius Bell is a viable target, and it’d be hard to argue that KC would look worse @ RT. I’m not sure about O’Callaghan. I think he’s more consistent, mentally, than Richardson, and he can pull and set the edge better. So just adding Bell, with O’Callaghan the swing tackle, plus one more beef guy in the middle, and the Chiefs are in a better situation.
Chiefs added some very good WRs in 2011, and the core group spent a year under Haley as taskmaster. Get some competition at the QB spot, with a full offseason program, and you might have turned the corner on offense. Cassel would have the head start, and he may even keep the lead, for all I know, but just doing those things that Helmets said, and the team forges ahead, imo.
would of ≠ would've
I think he is saying that neither Mims or Schwartz are clear upgrades over B-Rich
I agree with this.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
yes and no
I’m saying both guys have the POTENTIAL to be upgrades… but both could take another year or two to get there.
if you want a day ONE starter at RT, You gotta look at the first round
or FA.
Still, I throw a Schwartz or Sanders at the larger position group (some of the 2012 class are all-around pretty good), preferably with a FA RT who’ll raise the level of play/competition right away.
But that top handful of tackles that are likely to go in the 1st may not be all that ready-to-start, either. That’s why I lean toward getting a true, NFL-ready OG earlier than most would like, and FA-plus-draft @ RT, ’til next time.
would of ≠ would've
haha, you said "FART"
3rd-grade-jokes aside, I am a big DeCastro fan, as you well know.
I just don’t see anyone in FA that’s a really viable option, so if they go DeCastro, I am preparing myself for a possible 1-more-year-of-BRich scenario
Maybe the coaching change will help.
Some guys have a way of telling you what they want you to DO, and don’t ever cast the situation in terms of DON’T do’s. Some guys respond to negative reinforcement, but some guys you want/need to catch in the act of doing something right, and build on it. I think Haley was maybe the kind of guy who got you feelin’ bad about mistakes, and when you’re dwelling on your mistakes, that’s the visual you carry in your brain.
Never tell a guy “Don’t Fumble,” because you’re planting the image/idea of fumbling in his head. Instead, preach ball security and “Take Care of the Ball!” Could be the same sort of deal with B-Rich, because Loco and I both agree that there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with the guy physically, despite his gettin’ beat off the snap. Maybe he just doesn’t practice against the kinds of pass rushers that give him problems. He can shut down a Dumervil or a Clay Matthews, but struggle against a bigger guy, who’s quick for his size, right off the snap.
would of ≠ would've
I don't think his athletic potential was ever the knock against B-Rich.
Could be the same sort of deal with B-Rich, because Loco and I both agree that there doesn’t seem to be anything wrong with the guy physically, despite his gettin’ beat off the snap
I think even coming out of college (IIRC), the deal with him was the mental aspect of the game (not intelligence speaking): Self-confidence, motivation, passion, learning the techniques, not making dumb mental mistakes under pressure … and being way behind on pass-blocking capabilities. He always had the run-blocking down, IIRC?
Anywhoo, He’s had 4 seasons now to learn and get all of that down, and he hasn’t. Its time to move on to a guy that has already, or will ritch quick-like.
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 10, 2012 4:07 AM CST up reply actions
Hi guys, ive been an AP reader/follower for almost a year now.. this will be my first comment. Just want to say..
WHAAAAAAAAAAATSUPPPPPPPP!?!?!?!?!?
lol ok seriously tho
i will def try and add meaningful comments to these discussions.. all that runs through my head are chiefs thoughts anyways.
i just needed toget my first comment out of the way :)
AP was an oasis in the desert, when I just wanted to do what I've been doing, here, ever since: Talk Chiefs Football.
would of ≠ would've
You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Alright, let me take a run at this...
1. David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
2. Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
3. Antonio Allen – S – South Carolina
4. Alameda Ta’amu – DT – Washington
5. Nate Potter – OT – Boise State
6. Russell Wilson – QB – Wisconsin
7. Fozzy Whittaker – RB – Texas
Assuming no trading…I could get really crazy if I assumed KC makes about three trades and lands about 23/24…
In accordance with the prophecy
Drat...forgot the 2nd round 7 pick
7. Charles Brown – CB – North Carolina
Might have to switch Brown and Whittaker to get em both in round 7.
In accordance with the prophecy
Lets see the trades and picks
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
My brain already hurts and I haven't even put pencil to paper!
Drat…now I have to try and calculate the worth of picks…sonuva…
In accordance with the prophecy
Yayyyy I don't have to do work
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 3, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I really like this mock but I would like to see pead or ballard in the somewhere
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 4, 2012 11:28 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I hear you
I just thought with OL needs, it out-weighed RB need at the round 4 and 5 slots (where Pead or Ballard will likely be found). Whittaker is really a pretty decent back and could be a pretty good value in the 7th. He plays a lot like Charles did at UT. Not as fast, but the same style of back (shifty, home-run hitter, great return guy). Plus, I think he comes out with less of a “fumbler” perception.
I guess Pead could be had in the 4th, instead of Ta’amu, but I still feel this team needs another NT prospect. Who knows if Powe will pan out and Gregg isn’t an every down guy anymore.
In accordance with the prophecy
No I like what you have 1-4 rounds
but if one of Pead or Ballard fall or maybe the baylor RB or Martin but fozzy does sound good to so that works let’s just go back to I like what you have all together Haha
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 4, 2012 1:31 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
No chit-chatting until you get the trade down mock done
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yes sir Get'r'done
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Just the draft, assuming trading during the draft
Operates under 3 assumptions 1) Tag and Trade Bowe to St Louis, 2) Trade #7 to Washington, and 3) DeCastro is not available at #12.
KC tags and trades Bowe to St Louis for their picks in rounds 2 (33), 3 (66) and 6 (TBD). Given all the FA WRs, I’m not sure Bowe carries a round 1 trade value. I couldn’t find anything anywhere that said otherwise. If anyone has a link supporting him as a guy that could value a round 1 value, that could change my scenario.
KC re-signs Orton and trades #7 to Washington for their 5th round pick (134).
KC holds on to the #12 pick (assuming loss in coin toss) unless DeCastro is NOT available at that slot. If he is not, KC trades that pick to the Jets (who badly want Coples for pass rush) for their picks in rounds 1 (16) and 3 (78).
Cleveland, in dire need of talent, then trades up to KC’s current 16 slot, from 22, and the Chiefs acquire their picks in rounds 1 (22), 3 (68), 4 (101).
This is where KC stops and moves on to their picks:
1 (22). Cordy Glenn – OG – Georgia
2 (33). Dont’a Hightower – ILB – Alabama
2 (46). Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
3 (66). Zebrie Sanders – OT – Florida State
3 (68). Antonio Allen – S – Clemson
3 (75). LaMichael James – RB – Oregon
3 (78). Jamell Flemming – CB – Oklahoma
4 (101) Aaron Henry – S – Wisconsin
4 (108) Nate Potter – OT – Boise State
5 (134) Akiem Hicks – DT – Regina
5 (139) Desmond Wynn – OG – Rutgers
6 (161) Russell Wilson – QB – Wisconsin
6 (172) Tank Carder – OLB – TCU
7 (203) Frank Alexander – DE – Oklahoma
7 (224) Fozzy Whittaker – RB – Texas
In accordance with the prophecy
Going off CBS
22-Adams
33-Miller(Hightower is gone)
46-Zeitler
66-Antonio Allen
68-Osweiler
75-Bradham
78-Streeter
101-Ta’amu
108-Linthicum
134-Hebron Fangupo
139-Josh Robinson
161-Jeff Fuller
172-Jacquies Smith
203-Andrew Datko
224-Chase Ford
OT with Adams and Datko
OG with Zeitler
DB with Allen/Robinson
WR with Streeter/Fuller
DL with Ta’amu/Fangupo/Smith as pass rusher
ILB with Bradham
TE with Linthicum/Ford
RB Miller
QB with Brock
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Next year I'm going to Mobile....(that's what I keep telling myself)
I’m only three hours from Mobile, and if the 2nd daughter hadn’t decided to come early….
anyway, that top four or so looks good to me!
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
So does Daboll being the OC and a change to a WCO change our draft at all
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
Shouldn't
Most of the time you hear someone talk about a player mainly fitting a WCO system is only for weak armed QBs. Not really sure Daboll runs a pure WCO, we ran elements of it last year, however Daboll was taking shots down the field with the ’Phins, so he could be a guy who keeps adjusting his system not try to fit his system down players throats
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
thanks for the insight
Just thinking with our main needs being offensive the Daboll hire may affect the draft strategy. Our WR and RBs would be good in a WCO. Maybe that’s the reason behind the hire. We’re at rock bottom now with our offense so there shouldnt be much harm in changing systems. We really can go only one way on offense now.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 4, 2012 5:53 AM CST up reply actions
Dont really know why people think WCO is dink and dunk
I seem to remeber Montana throwing it downfield sometimes, WCO isnt purely short passes and dumpoffs if youre QB can get it downfield he will.
But i suppose thats the very issue with Cassel now isnt it.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 4, 2012 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
WCO is not only dink and dunk, but a vast majority of their routes are quick timing routes
I was mainly saying that you don’t really have to adjust the draft prospects.
Why yes, yes it is
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Daboll is strictly a West coast guy at all
I don’t see the offense changing THAT much… hopefully, just a little more creative
But, again...I think playcalling is overrated
I think chemistry with the QB is much more important, as well as the talent on the field, particularly at the QB position.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Agreed
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
OC and QB who can get 1-on-1 correspondence with the thinking of the WRs.
Basic “getting open” principles AFTER the snap, rather than slavish route-running, is what seems to make a big difference, if the Giants are any guide. Numerous times, I’ve seen Cassel make the right read and the receiver make a wrong read, and conversely. They need to be of one mind and one vision. Eli was talking about that in interviews, recently, and how he has to trust the WR to make certain throws, and some WRs won’t be targeted if he doesn’t trust ’em.
When you see it in action, it’s very common-sensical, although most seem to think the WR made the QB look good on poor or risky throw, when the QB’s doing a good job of seeing where the WR can get to it and the DBs can NOT, and he’s throwing it low-and-away, for instance. When the QB and WR are in tune, it’s a beautiful thing to watch. But one or the other look like crap when they’re not.
A lot of this goes to personnel, though. SOME uber-quick WRs will never feel the coverage, so it’s just a matter of luck if you have the right play on and catch the defense in what you anticipated. A lot of that with the Weis-and-Haley-led Chiefs. I can’t make up my mind if it goes to coaching or player’s ability to process.
would of ≠ would've
We have seen how well that works havnt we?
Even when there is a deep route or broken coverage Cassel has looked scared to throw it deep, and the defense can tighten down even farther
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 4, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Just found out a friend of mine is in the draft
Cory Harkey TE, UCLA. We went to HS together, hes not well known but looked fantastic as a blocker in the shrine game.
Would be cool if we got him as a UDFA or even as a late flyer.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Here is my updated mock...
Trent Richardson RB Alabama
Bobbie Massie LT/RT Ole Miss
Juron Criner WR Arizona
DaJohn Harris DT USC
Tank Carder TCU LB
Isaiah Frey CB Nevada
Phillip Blake OC Baylor
Eddie Pleseant S Oregon
I went with Richardson because if Jamaal Charles comes back and is not what he used to be, the Chiefs will be hurting on Offense. The Chiefs need to upgrade at the RT position can wait until the second round . Other than that I really like Juron Criner, I think he is going to be special. I say the Chiefs skip NT because they will more than likely look for a veteran in Free Agency.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 5, 2012 9:36 AM CST reply actions
Way high for Criner, let alone a WR
Not sure we need DE depth nor WILB depth that high.
Hate the Richardson pick..
Overall.. I would be very very very displeased with this draft
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
No TE?
I think we need an upgrade at TE…is Blake a likely starter? We need G or C to replace Weigs… Hudson covers the other spot…
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 6, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah...
Lilja’s not bad…that’s why I think the call for DeCastro, while I would like a big giant bruiser in the middle to make holes for Charles, is maybe misguided…I’d rather have an OT like Martin or Reiff to take Richardson’s place, and I think both of those guys might be NFL ready….We’re not going to get a 11 or 12 pick every year (thank God) so let’s make this one count and shore up our biggest weakness…RT.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'd lean toward Reiff, because of his Iowa background.
Need a high-floor guy if you’re going 1st round RT.
For obvious tactical reasons, your tackles do need to be more elite athletes. The thing, here, is, there’s an obvious power deficit up the middle, and there really aren’t any instant starters amongst the 2012 tackle class, at least not at #12. So you CAN address the middle, and get upgrade in 2012 with Decastro or Konz and probably Zeitler. Doubtful you regret it down the road, either.
I’d definitely be throwing talent at the OT position, but because of my doubts about the prospects at the next level, I’d be scouring FA and looking to double-up with one or two draft picks, to boot. At least the upgrade inside is virtually certain, thru this draft.
would of ≠ would've
Say what you want
But if Jamaal Charles comes back and his play goes to crap, having Richardson is going to be a blessing. He is being compared to Adrian Peterson, why would you not want an impact player like Richardson in Chiefs red. He makes the offense dangerous.
Other than somehow drafting a QB like RGIII or Luck, there is no one on the draft board that could make the Chiefs offense better. Who would you take in your mock draft?
I see you like Ta’amu, but it must be some kind of man crush, because he is a TERRIBLE player!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 5, 2012 1:28 PM CST reply actions
Decastro would make this offense better
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 5, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Ok I'll bite
Richardson is not AP, Richardson played behind a GREAT Oline and almost always had big holes/space to get up to speed, AP didn’t and has a much better burst. There is a reason that Ingram/Lacy have looked great behind basically that same oline. I do not believe Richardson would fair well in our ZBS, especially with the push we have gotten up front the past 2 years. I would rather have Pierce/Martin/etc in the later rounds for a back up RB.. yes you are talking about draftin a BACK UP RUNNING BACK at 11/12.
Give me DeCastro or a trade down for RT, get a great Oline and you can plug and play RBs. Look at the Texans oline and Foster, not a high pick but he fits the ZBS and when you are able to get a good Oline RBs who have good vision and can make quick cuts can be found throughout the draft, look back at the Shanny days in Denver under the same ZBS system.
Actually I have not changed my sig about Ta’amu since around the last draft, a ‘’TERRIBLE player!’? No.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I actually like Lacy better than Richardson
And I like Richardson better than Ingram.
I think we should feign interest in Richardson and use it to try to get someone like Cinci to trade up and nab him.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Lacy is a mean little bowling ball
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Call me a pessimist
But there is no way a speed back like Jamaal Charles is going to come back from an ACL injury and carry the load as the primary back for the entire 2012 season. Hell, he has never even been the primary RB. Who are you going to have carry the load McCluster, Jackie Battle perhaps? If the Chiefs want to win with Cassel, they have to give him a running game.
DeCastro doesn’t really make sense for the Chiefs. There biggest need is to upgrade at the RT position. I am all for it if Reiff, or Martin are there, but if they are not, they have to take Richardson. We have two really good prospects in Asamoah and Hudson (Hudson can play guard). We also have Lilja who is pretty good as well. DeCastro would be a luxury, not a need.
You used two very bad examples for running backs as well. Adrian Foster is a one in a million statistic. Finding him was the equivalent of getting struck by lightning, and Shanny had a pretty good QB that kept the defense modest. When Elway left, so did his chances of winning another Superbowl. His theory on running backs couldn’t be that respected either, because if it was, he would have never been fired from Denver.
Again, say what you want, but without a running game the Chiefs don’t stand a chance of winning. The Chiefs averaged 162 yards on the Ground in 2010, and 118 yards in 2011. The Chiefs need there running game back. The answer to that problem is Trent Richardson!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 5, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions
So there is only 1 RB in the entire draft?
Only Richardson? Wow.. didn’t know that.. we best draft all our draft picks to get #1 and get a back up RB before someone else!
Martin does not project too well to RT, much more of a dancing LT than RT. Do not think Reiff will work at OT. Hudson is the Center, Lilja was pushed back too often which killed short yardage situations/goal line situations/drives. Have to get stouter up front.
Really? Maybe you should look up how many late round RBs work out.. look in the SB at Ware/Bradshaw, how about on the Pats, how about Terrell Davis? Holmes? Yeah.. Shanny was able to constantly plug and play 1k rushers because of the Oline being dominate in the ZBS scheme and the RBs being able to make 1 cut and get vertical.
Pierce/Martin/etc in the later rounds>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Richardson who doesn’t even really fit a ZBS.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 5, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
we don't need Trent
I do love me some Trent but we have bigger needs love Decastro too if we go OL but I want to see us finally take a chance and trade up for a franchise QB in RG3 and add a few other depth parts later in the draft with what ever we have left from the trade what do talk think?
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 5, 2012 9:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's really what needs to be done
Just don’t see it happening.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 6:03 AM CST up reply actions
I agree don't see it going down either
so I say of no RG3 draft OL and more depth for the team and next year look to trade up for barkley or bray? any other 2013 QB’s you like
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 6, 2012 11:47 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
As of right now Barkley is clear and away the #1 QB and #1 pick
Bray has the tools, but need to see how he develops and how sitting almost all year effected him
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
ok so not much yet to look at until the NCAA season starts...
just wanted to see who we might be looking at saying we don’t go after a QB this year
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Well there is Barkley
Bray
Wilson
Murray
and Landry Jones
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
only barkley sounds good to me lol
maybe bray or murry but I don’t think they are on barkley’s level yet
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 7, 2012 12:10 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not too high on Murray, def not on Jones after his regression
Bray not playing much last year really sucked because you couldnt see how far he could progress, so this year will be important
Wilson has had some great looking games in his own right
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
i like bray in the first
Depending on his season, we might not have to trade up too far for him, especially if next year is loaded with several 1st round qbs. this year only has two legit first rounders even though more might go.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Feb 8, 2012 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
It might not be a stretch to see only 2 first round grades next year
Landry has a lot to prove
Murray.. is not there yet IMO
Bray is not there yet but could be the #2 QB
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 5:57 AM CST up reply actions
well a 2013 mock has us taking Bray!
6’6" his is giant like you said getting hurt,hurt him when it comes to the development of his overall game I guess o wouldn’t mind barkley or bray next year of we don’t get RG3 but I think he is the best we can actually get our hands on if we try and I believe RG3 can be the answer for many years for the chiefs at QB but if not let’s build up some oline and more depth on D and take one on the 1st rd QB’s next year
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 8, 2012 12:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Which mock is that?
We could easily win the West next year with our IR players back, pushing us into the 20s and out of reach of the top QB prospects without a HUGE trade up. Which would put us on this roller coaster of West Champs and beaten up in the playoffs, to tough schedule(which we have next year as well) and a crappy year so in 2014 MIGHT be the next chance we have a great chance at a top QB prospect
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Really.. how far off is it at this point?
Cassel/Palko/Stanzi at QB
Bowe/Carr not under contract
Tough schedule
Coaching changes…
I think we will finish better than 9th next year, but shesh there is some talent there
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
sure there are unknowns
but, drafting 9th means they have a worse season than this year…
with Charles, Berry, Moeaki coming back, I can’t see that happening… even with Cassel as the starter
and, we all know Bowe and Carr will sign with KC :)
Yeah I think we will finish better than 9th
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well if people don't really stop to think how much talent we lost this year
and just go by this season+what I listed above.. can easily see why people could have the Chiefs ranked so low
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Josh Chichester TE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
They kept their big men and their perimeter guys healthy, at least
after Baldwin finally entered the scene, with the late start giving him close to the equivalent of a training camp. If their fundamentals were solid and their QB was any good, they should’ve been able to scheme to fit the men left standing. Certainly the defense managed it, even with the likes of Sabby Piscitelli.
While I disagree with most on ways and means @ QB, I’m still not happy, there. But I also feel like their fundamentals up front and outside were poor on offense. It says more to me that their 3rd-round RB and TE were considered such tremendous losses, than the mere fact that these particular players were lost says to me. Chiefs kept what I consider key personnel on the field better than most teams around the league, so my conclusion is that THOSE groups should be under the microscope.
I’m pretty happy with the gang at WR. I feel like they’re just waiting for the OL to give them time for the double move, more often, and a QB to get ‘em the ball more often. I’m also fairly happy with the gang at TE, unlike most folks. And the thing I like the least is their blocking, while most folks care more about their receiving numbers.
Most of the things I see folks noticing are more symptom of inability of the QB to get it done in the amount of time and space the OL’s giving him. We all notice Hernandez and Gronk, but what we forget is how long that spindly QB of theirs is getting, and guys like ME have to be reminded how GOOD he is at delivering the ball when he gets that amount of time (and why oh why doesn’t KC have that kind of guy – I feel my brothers.).
would of ≠ would've
Damn, Dr. Mills
You actually used paragraphs! :=O
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by LocoLoboChico on Feb 10, 2012 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
I think Reiff will be fine at OT...
Or Martin….We have to address that need. We cannot have another year with B-Rich as our starter, especially once we pick up Manning.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 6, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
draft-related tweets:
“I think Matt Kalil is going to go first, but David DeCastro to me is the best OL prospect, Pro Bowl guy early” – WesBunting
“when creating mock draft, remember Tampa HC Greg Schiano utilizes zone scheme, More likely to take Lamar Miller in 2nd over Trent in 1st” – The SidelineView
with that in mind...
1) DeCastro, OG
2) Miller, RB
3) Mitchell Schwartz, OT
4) Michael Egnew, TE
5) Brandon Taylor, SS
6) Andrew Datko, OT
7) Devon Wylie, WR
I'm down with that...
Draft 4 O-linemen, though (counting TE)? And what are we doing with QB? You think we are pretty set with LB, or do we address that through FA?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 6, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
I could see KC doubling-down on the OL this year.
AS for QB… I would LOVE to see a trade up for RG3, but I am predicting Cassel, Orton or Manning (in order of most likely to happen)
I like the LB group pretty well…
in FA,
re-sign Bowe, Carr, McClain, Gilberry, Battle
add: Soliai or Rogers, Dreessen (in which case, I would skip Egnew for Audie Cole, ILB?)
If we do get Manning,
how about Jacob Tamme? Those guys had pretty good chemistry in Indy when Dallas Clark went down….maybe we could pick off another couple free agents from the colts, like sign Wayne to a 1 yr contract….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone think Tampa will make the switch to a zone scheme so quickly?
I wanna say they have been a man scheme and have a pretty good Oline as is
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 6, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
good question
I doubt the OL scheme HAS to change with the OC
thus, I think KC sticks with ZB, which is why I posted that quote
I don't think it has to change with OC/HC
Just that it can, but if the Oline is in good shape.. I don’t see how a smart coach would come in and change it
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 5:56 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn be surprised if they blew that whe team up and started from scratch
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 6, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Why is that
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 5:56 AM CST up reply actions
Bottom barrel team with a bunch of guys with bad, selfish attitudes
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 7, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's kinda funny
2 years ago.. high draft pick and new head coach
1 year ago.. 10-6 record with a surprising turn around and a team everyone wanted to keep an eye on
Last year.. horrible season and coach is fired
Familiar?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes.
Weird how the HC went from awesome to shitful. In Raheem’s case, I have no idea what happened, there. I thought he had a unique way of reaching players, and his bad luck this year was just bad luck. A flurry of injuries off a shortened offseason. In Haley’s case, I was close enough to hear the rumblings. But in Morris’s, I’m just not sure.
would of ≠ would've
Think he lost the team/players as well
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
we need to resign Carr, bowe, mclain
We need to sign either Soliai/Franklin or Grubbs/Quality OG this offseason. If we got one of those guys and kept our guys with a couple lower profile signings of course id be happy. Id really like us to bring Orton back and cut Cassel, but I have a feeling were stuck with Cassel so I’m not gonna get my hopes up.
In the first we need to go Decastro or Poe depending on where we go in FA.
2nd – Kelechi Osemele RT ISU
3rd- Doug Martin RB BSU
4rd- Brandon Weeden OSU
5th- Micheal Egnew TE Missouri
that’d be an ideal for offseason for me
Chiefs 2010 big board-
Eric Berry
Dez Bryant
Taylor Mays
Rolando McClain
Russel Okung
by JrGrayson on Feb 7, 2012 1:51 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Lots of guys that don't fit.
Poe, Osemele, and Egnew all don’t really fit what we’re looking for. Poe played against very weak competition and rarely looked dominant, he has the size you look for but little else. He has been massively over hyped and would be a horrible first pick. The guy is realistically worth a later third or fourth at best as a developmental project. Osemele has far too slow of feet to play outside, he’s pretty much limited to power scheme guard. Egnew is a pure pass catching tight end with zero blocking ability, we look for all around tight ends.
Dang!
Pretty spot-on, but I DO like Grayson’s thinking about being aggressive and landing one or a pair of the better FAs out there, and adjusting the draft accordingly. We can quibble over fit, and I, for one, tend to shudder at RB as early as the THIRD round, when I see so much else to be done, but the FA aggression to kick things off is right up MY alley!
would of ≠ would've
My updated mock draft with us Signing Bowe and franchising / trading Carr
- Franchise Carr and trade him to Tampa Bay for their 2nd this season and their 2nd next season.
- Trade down from the 11 spot with Cincinatti who moves up to select Richardson and we get their pick number 21 and their 1st next season. Trade value of 1250 for us and assuming they finish 17th again a trade value of 1210 for them.
- We now have 2 firsts and 2 seconds in the 2013 draft which is ammunition in case management feels comfortable going after Barkley or the top QB.
- Player Rankings are from CBS Sports
And now the 2012 NFL Draft
1 (pick 21) – Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St
An instant starter at RT that also provides LT competition to Albert and pushes him to raise his game even more. Shores up the weakest part of the team and allows this line to function without needing help from a TE on the right all game.
2 (pick 4) – Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
My favorite running back in the draft because of his elite speed. He would excel in a one cut ZBS and he possesses that second gear that is so hard to find. Insurance for JC and a quality rotation guy with him.
2 (pick 12) – Chase Minnifield, CB, Virginia
The replacement to Brandon Carr and a very talented man corner. He should be able to step in as a rookie and do a solid job as a number two corner. He won’t be Carr from day one but could be better eventually.
3 (pick 11) – Ladarius Green, TE, LA. – Lafayette
A raw athletic tight end with a high upside. Should be able to learn behind Moeaki and provide additional weapons and insurance at the TE position.
4 (pick 12) – Marvin Jones, WR, Cal
He continues to rise up the boards and i had him as a pick in the 7th when he was ranked there. I still think he is worth this pick where he is now slated. He is quick, tall, fast, and he catches absolutely everything.
5 (pick 11) – Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
A big strong NT that falls because he is just a nose tackle and has almost no pass rush. He is also undersized for most 3-4 defenses liking but he is available on these rankings so i grab him.
6 (pick 12) – Janzen Jackson, S, McNeese St
A very talented safety that played with EB at Tennessee but left the team for personal reasons then was kicked off for possibly substance abuse issues. 1st or 2nd round talent that falls for substance abuse issues. This years Houston.
7 (pick 11) – Joe Looney, G, Wake Forest
Looney is compared to Asamoah in the analysis and he could be used as guard depth with starter possibility if Lilja struggles and Looney impresses.
7 (pick 31) – Brandon Hardin, FS, Oregon St.
A solid player that missed his senior season with a shoulder injury. He has the size. 6’ 2" 220 lbs, and speed, 4.5 40 to be able to come in and challenge those big tight ends in the league if he develops right. A high upside low risk pick.
Ha thats pretty much the same start to the one I put above with SCKS trade downs
I would likely go Streeter over Jones, Ford over Hardin
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
Streeter is listed as a third rounder
And i really like what i see from Jones. He runs crisp routes and shows solid acceleration in and out of breaks and his hands are phenomenal.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 7, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Could swear CBS had him lower than 108
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I love it!
I think Minnifield will end up being the best player in the draft. I also loved how Adams has shut down some really good players in college (JJ Watt and Adrian Clayborn). If this happened I would be extremely happy. I agree with Bamf though, I would go with Streeter. If he developes he could be a scary player. Awesome draft!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 7, 2012 6:36 AM CST up reply actions
Chapman is available in the 5th because he just had surgery to repair a torn ACL
He played with it last season, but delayed surgery. It has hurt his draft stock, but I admire his toughness. He will probably end up on IR his first year, but it could still be worth a shot.
If we don’t think he can put on the weight to play NT, he still has the size for a 5-tech.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Not sure about the length needed for 5 tech
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Meh
Shaun Smith and Amon Gordon are both 6’2". I think he could play at 6’1"
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I think you definitely prefer the longer frame.
But there are some shorter guys who are plenty athletic enough to be all-around good. I think it’s the kind of athlete they are, more than their frame length. And when it comes to that, I think Gordon’s more all-around, because he can actually rush the passer better than Smith or Dorsey, either one. One of the reasons I like Ta’amu is because he looks to me like a guy who can 2-gap and be stout at the point, but has enough burst to draw the double on passing downs. He might even be BETTER at 5-tech than he’d be lined up inches away from Decastro in a phone booth. He just looks to me like a guy athletic enough to use one free step to beat anybody stout enough to stop him. He’d still be a handful for any kind of KC-sized ZBS G.
Off the ACL is a gamble. The surgery itself seems almost routine, these days, but the fact that a player suffered such an injury in the first place may be a harbinger of injuries to come.
would of ≠ would've
He looks like he is going to have short arms though
He won’t be like Dorsey and have those crazy long arms, nor the pass rush threat of a possible Gordon
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 7, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
I think he has the size that Crennel looks for in a 3-4 NT.
He is 6’ 1" and listed at 310 lbs but could have put on weight during the year. With his low center and his incredible strength i could easily see him as a solid NT. I don’t think he could be a 5 tech though because of his height and arm length.
by Jonathan Hake on Feb 7, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm. I think 6'2'' or 6'3'' and 330 lbs is RAC's ideal.
But I really wonder at how the league’s evolving. I’m thinking we might be headed towards more uniform 3-tackle fronts, with the NT specialist being a little less valuable than he used to be. And the way KC sides their front 3 with a pair of 270-pound OLBs, maybe you’re looking for a little more athleticism from the guy in the middle, and don’t just look for stout. In years past, holding the point was the point, but nowadays, that guy needs to be able to get up the field, when the offense goes double TEs and splits one wide and the other in the opposite slot, and you’re caught in your base D, and you’re all spread out, which simplifies a lot of the blocking scheme, if you have one or more dud pass-rushers in your front 3.
Did you notice how New England went to 4-3 from 3-4? Not just during the season, but I think during the SB, itself.
Dorsey BARELY gets it done, with Hali’s help, but there’s not much flexibility to drop Hali (even though I think he has good instincts for coverage, as long as his assignment accounts for his (lack of) foot speed). Better pass rush from Dorsey (or replacement) would give them more flexibility. More mobility from Kelly Gregg (or replacement) might change my mind about Dorsey. And, to skin the cat another way, another DB who can single-up, and they all look better.
would of ≠ would've
A guy to keep an eye on
Looks like a natural pass rusher. Could be worth a look in the later rounds, because I don’t see us re-signing Studebaker. I think Gabe Miler will replace Studie on the active roster.
We also have to make a decision on Cam Sheffield this year. I know he has suffered some injuries, and he has looked pretty decent when he has played in preseason, but he still can’t find a role on this team. I had high hopes for him.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
My guess is Sheffield sticks.
He actually got some playing time in a couple games on regular defense. Seems like I saw him quite a bit in the GB game.
I like Adrian Hamilton. He’s the kind of player that makes you want to trade for extra 2nd- and 3rd-round picks. Can easily see him tending towards 270, without doing anything special to bulk him up. Wouldn’t want to lose that quickness he has. Sure looks like you picked a winner, BAMF. You don’t see many guys in his size and weight class move like he does, and I don’t care that it was against DII competition.
would of ≠ would've
Mark Barron has a double sports hernia wont be at full strength till August
He could fall to the 4th.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
that'd be huge
I’d take him there, as he’s really only needed for depth.
put him on PUP if you have to
Wow, yes
Barron would be great.
I could see him falling to the late 2nd, but I don’t see him falling to the 4th. Wow.
I would take him in the 2nd. I know some people aren’t high on him here, but I think you need 3 good safeties the way this league is now and I want to get one in the 2nd or 3rd.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Antonio Allen could be moving into the 2nd now
Iloka’s stock may also be up.
I bet Robert Lester is wishing he would have declared now.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Barron mock, super trade down/comp edition
1. Mike Adams – RT – Ohio St.
2a. Kevin Zietler – G – Wisconsin
2b. Mark Barron – S – Alabama (trade down)
3a. Lardarius Green – TE – La-Lafayette
3b. Malik Jackson – DE -Tennessee
4. Vick Ballard – RB – Miss St
5a. Josh Chapman – DE/NT – Alabama (IR)
5b. Andrew Datko – RT – Florida St. (IR, Orton comp pick)
6. Charles Brown – CB – UNC
7a. Adrien Cole – ILB – La Tech
7b. William Vlachos – C – Alabama
That was fun.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
We won't get a comp pick for Orton this year, what was I thinking??
Did Shaun Smith play a lot this year? He was the biggest FA loss I remember from last season.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
No he didn't play much
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
He started for a while
But lost his job midseason
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 8, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure I would go Green that early
Why Malik? pure 4-3 DE IMO he didn’t look great inside at UT, kinda high for either a subpackage player or a player that you would want to add 20+lbs and see how he could be at 5 tech
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Feb 8, 2012 6:02 AM CST up reply actions
I really like 1-5 rds!
other the 3b I think we can find someone better with that pick but good mock
by kcchiefs2782 on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Levy Adcock
he’s an interesting prospect… cbs has him in the 7th round
he wasn’t invited to any all star games or the combine…
but, some people mock him in the 2nd.
his profile seems to indicate he has all the tools.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1754845/levy-adcock
what’s the deal with this guy???
Seems like a late bloomer
Haven’t really watched him play, but I am open to almost anything in the 7th round or undrafted FAs.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
His injuries are the main reason Zebrie Sanders got any attention, IIRC.
I think it’s injuries. He was a high prospect coming into 2011, but he needed to show improvement (reputation for slow-footedness). Maybe people project him as a guy who’s just gotten by on his size, thus far, and not showing something special in 2011, he’s just a big guy, with a lot of downside?
would of ≠ would've
Walters newest mock
Richardson
Sanders
Taamu
Jameel Fleming
I could live with it
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
If we draft a RB at 11/12, I'm gonna go clubbing baby fur seals.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Could be worse
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 8, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Baby monkeys?

Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Yes we could draft a baby monkey
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
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KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Feb 10, 2012 4:15 AM CST up reply actions
Here is what I hope happens in april
David Decastro OG Stan
Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss
Dan Herron RB OSU
Joe Adams WR ARK
Brandon Taylor S LSU
Miles Burris LB SDSU
Hebron Fangupo NT/DE BYU
Rhett Ellison TE USC
I have Massie there because I really do not like Zebrie Sanders. I think the dude is going to be a liability.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Feb 14, 2012 10:44 AM CST reply actions
Anyone think we might take Dontari Poe (NT) in the first round?
Guy looks like a beast at 350….Would anchor that DL for years….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Feb 14, 2012 3:34 PM CST reply actions

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