One less 3-4 Defense

The one asset the Dolphins do have is depth in the front seven. They’ll need to reshuffle the lineup, but should be able to piece together a decent defensive line. The issue will be at linebacker. Karlos Dansby will return (at inside linebacker most likely), and Kevin Burnett may land in the starting lineup again by default (probably strong-side linebacker). However, the Dolphins will need to add another starter, preferably someone who is strong in coverage.

Depending on their confidence in Cameron Wake and Koa Misi’s ability to transition to defensive end, the Dolphins could target a pass rusher with their 1st-round pick. Nick Perry and Quinton Coples would be the most likely targets.

There is also an outside shot that the Dolphins could target Luke Kuechly with the 9th pick. The move would necessitate moving Dansby to outside linebacker, where he played early in his career with the Cardinals.

Paul Soliai?

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He should be available

Their 5 techs will now become the DTs

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions

So theres a stud NT available in free agency.

I hear we need one of those.

by chiefFANatic on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM CST reply actions

Why are there so many stud trench guys?

There usually isn’t this many is there?

by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Two less

Buffalo going back to 4-3.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 3:06 PM CST reply actions

I was feeding Buffalo 3-4 Defense guys and they like it in my mock draft

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

I thought they were gonna do a hybrid 4-3/3-4

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by KingChief on Jan 30, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

I was just reading on the Bills site

they seem happy enough about the move but pissed that they wasted 2 years trying to get 3-4 guys

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions

Seem to like Mario Williams a whole lot better up in Buffalo now

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions

Why are they changing? Thats stupid..

As for the topic, idk if they’ll just let him walk. Ya they have starks, langford, and odrick but soliai is by far the best out of those. I guess it just depends who wants him more. $$$$

by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions

I would guess that they let him walk.

I dont think he fits their new scheme and they already franchised him last year. Doubt they do it again.

by chiefFANatic on Jan 30, 2012 3:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

add buffalo to the mix…they’re scrapping their 3-4

by kc571 on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM CST reply actions

I thought they were just continuing to work their way towards (evolving) the 3-4?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions

Nope

Completely thrown out now.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

Damn

Not saying I love it
but if the Bills got Coples and Curry, plus Dontari Poe, to go alongside Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus, I think our d-line would be right up there with the Giants on the most feared fronts in the NFL.

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by DanRoc on Jan 28, 2012 7:45 PM PST reply actions

but that’s good for us

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions

Yes it would be one of the most feared fronts in the NFL

And the only 5 man front in the NFL.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions

gotta love that guy's sig line

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions

"This is Sparta"

/no skitzo

by Masons on Jan 30, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions

They might not let him walk but he might be too expensive to keep around.

Whether they need a huge body like that will depend how much over/under looks they plan on using in their 4-3

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by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions

So is Indy staying a 3-4 Defense?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

damn

staying a 4-3 defense

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions

They're the ones that are "evolving"

Im guessing Pagano is going to collect 3-4 players over the next couple of offseasons to eventually get the personel he needs to run his defense and until then he’ll lean heavily on the 4-3 side of what he knows.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions

very interesting

by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2012 3:26 PM CST reply actions

Good news for us.

Makes our NTs and OLBs cheaper.

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by Brsrkr on Jan 30, 2012 4:00 PM CST reply actions

nice find, Steve!

by upamtn on Jan 30, 2012 4:38 PM CST reply actions

They did make one interesting point regards the 3-4 defense

getting killed by TE’s nowadays and that Belichick switched to the 4-3 cause he can kill 3-4’s with his tight-ends

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions

You need a LB/S hybrid type player to deal with that.

Doesn’t really matter what the formation is.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 30, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions

Patriots Defense is supposed to be a 3-4

Each week during the season, the packages the Patriots are utilizing on defense have been charted, focusing on defensive backs.

With a package that has four defensive backs, that has been classified as base. With five or more defensive backs, that is referred to as a sub defense.

The Patriots leaned havier on the base D last Sunday in Denver against the Tim Tebow option attack. Of 29 snaps in the first half, 22 came out of base personnel. The numbers ended up evening out by the end of the game, as the Patriots played more sub in the second half after taking the lead.

Here is the Patriots’ season outlook when comparing the base vs. sub defense:

Sub — 608 of 987 (61.6 percent)
Base — 352 of 987 (35.6 percent)
Short-yardage — 27 of 987 (2.7 percent)

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4713031/charting-base-vs-sub-defense-5

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions

comment to question

MikeReiss-ESPNBoston

I’ll respectfully disagree. It shows how the 5th DB is more of a starter than the third LB. It shows how certain matchups prioritize the base over the sub. It also shows that in two of the three losses, it was heavily skewed toward the sub (so which playoff teams might present the same matchup problems?). A lot to digest here in my view.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions

if the patriots are a 3-4

then I don’t understand the 5th DB vs 3rd LB statement

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

Pats switched to a 4-3 with Albert and Wilfork

Have been playing more 3-4 looks lately, used it almost all game against the Broncs to contain Tebow

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

Houston should help us with that.

He can run with most TEs, gives us three LBs who can/should be able to man-cover TEs.

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by Brsrkr on Jan 30, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions

Hali showed yesterday he can run with TE's (Graham)

but not exactly cover him

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions

I think Tamba's getting a lot better in zone.

He’ll eventually get better at pretty much anything you ask him to get better at.

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by Brsrkr on Jan 30, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions

Baltimore 3 – 4
Dallas 3 – 4
Green Bay 3 – 4
Houston 3 – 4
Kansas City 3 – 4
NY Jets 3 – 4
Pittsburgh 3 – 4
San Diego 3 – 4
San Francisco 3 – 4
Washington 3 – 4

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:36 PM CST reply actions

so still 22 teams that are not a 3-4 then

by readANDgold58 on Jan 30, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions

Baltimore 3 - 4 - Is Baltimore also a 4-3 Ngata/McPhee/Cody played 1600+ snaps combined

Dallas 3 – 4 – Ratliff
Green Bay 3 – 4 – Raji
NY Jets 3 – 4 – Pouha
San Diego 3 – 4 – Garay
San Francisco 3 – 4 – Sopoaga
Washington 3 – 4 – Cofield

Stated need for a 3-4 Nose Tackle

Houston 3 – 4
Kansas City 3 – 4
Pittsburgh 3 – 4

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions

And some of those 3-4s are not like the others.

Wade will be looking for a one-gapper. Is Dallas gonna continue with the one-gap since Wade left?

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by Brsrkr on Jan 30, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions

Supposedly they are a 2 gap under Ryan

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

Ratliff is a stud

I don’t think the Cowboys plan to do anything but ride what he does best.

checking on Houston

I would peg Myers’ new deal in the neighborhood of 5-years for $25-30 million dollars with $18-20 million guaranteed. The center formerly known as Ragdoll will get his raise, his important guaranteed total, and Houston avoids breaking the cap and locking themselves in a bad deal since Myers should be effective into his mid-30s, as most top centers (Kevin Mawae, Jeff Saturday, and Olin Kuertz being recent examples) have shown to be.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2012/1/25/2732584/houston-texans-center-chris-myers-free-agent-contract-negotiations

got sidetracked :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions

Ravens are definitely a 4-3

They did an article on it on PFF about it, I can’t find the exact one, but this one talks about Suggs as a DE:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/19/terrell-suggs-dominant-defensive-end/

by Chief Fan NZ on Jan 31, 2012 3:11 AM CST up reply actions

That is just the subpackages, like Tamba

Stands up in the base, but becomes a DE in 4 man fronts. Ravens have the players to run a lot of 3 man fronts, taking a DT out and adding in another DB.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 6:18 AM CST up reply actions

David Molk Center Michigan

Yeah, I get that to an extent. I mean, he wouldn’t be a good choice for a team like St. Louis or the Saints. At the same time, Jason Brown would not be a good fit for the Texans. Molk will probably weigh 290 at the combine and (I’m guessing) measure a shade under 6-2. That’s not too far off of Ryan Kalil, iirc.

Besides, even admitting that I am incredibly biased here, two things jump out at me: 1. He won the award for best center in the country. 2. Despite playing in the same conference with Konz, Brewster, Reilly Reiff, and Kevin Zeitler, it was Molk who was named the best OL (not just the best center) in the B1G. That’s quite a two-fer right there.

All that said, I’d be fine with Houston taking him in the third, and I’d be livid if he were there in the fourth and we passed on him.

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 30, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions

someone to keep an eye on, if things get twisted up in the first couple rounds.

/no skitzo

by Masons on Jan 30, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions

Not really, would be a depth guy for us behind Hudson

Unless they see Hudson as a Guard

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 AM CST up reply actions

The Chiefs will not have improved their interior if they acquire yet another undersized player

Hudson is nearly 20 lbs heavier than Wiegmann, but not all that much bigger than Lilja (if at all). Wiegmann and Lilja have big problems with beefy noses. The Chiefs need to bring in an athletic but big guard. This might hamper some of their zone blocking, but will almost certainly improve their ability in the middle. Dominate from the inside out.

by Dagda on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions