ByeBye PeyPey - One Fan's Perspective (OpEd)
With all the news, rumors, talk, opinions, fanposts, fanshots, tweets and polls about the future of Peyton Manning, I'm going to dive in with an expansion of a comment that I made yesterday about the subject. As of now, nobody really knows what the future holds for Manning, and it's likely that he doesn't even know for sure just yet. His options, assuming Irsay doesn't want to spend a king's ransom on the current deal, seem to be limited to one of the following: figure out a new deal with the Colts, sign with another team or retire.
My strong belief is that retirement is his best option at this point of his illustrious career, and while I know there are a great number of fans across America who cheer for the Chiefs and the Dolphins and the Jets and yes, the Colts and would love to see Manning continue to play, I'm going to lay out my reasons why his best choice is to go quietly into that good night and peacefully await his first ballot unanimous Hall of Fame election.
The Injury
So, what did Manning actually have done? Well, it was a cervical neck fusion to repair a bulging disk. Moreover, it was his third neck surgery. Not his first. Not his second. His third. We're not talking about Steve DeBerg's pinky here, this is Manning's neck and spinal cord. And we're not talking about someone who simply needs to grab a cup of coffee or lift a pen to a paper to do his job. This is football. This is an impact sport. How many of us remember holding our collective breath when we saw Trent Green lying helplessly on the ground? How many of us remember the late Darryl Stingley? It only takes one hit, one jarring tackle, one time of Manning's body being slammed to the ground and his head slamming back on the turf for something beyond horrible to happen.
Jack Tatum & Darryl Stingley Hit (The Final Play) (via jaw1987cchs)
Is it worth the risk? Remember, too, that was in a preseason game. Yes, the rules have changed since then, but it's a reminder of the bottom line violence of the sport. Sure, it was an accident, a fluke. The point remains: in a sport as violent as football, anything can happen. Hope for the best but be prepared for the worst. Just ask Trent Green.
Is it worth the price of going too far, too long? Muhammad Ali would probably say no. Ali. The Greatest. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. A few hits too many have changed all that. Forever. At what point is too much simply too much? How far does our need to see violence and bone jarring tackles need to go? At what point does Manning's longterm health and future become more important than our desire to see a game and our own greed for glory as embodied in our team gaining wins and Super Bowl victories? If I'm Peyton Manning, that time is now.
The Record Book
3rd in alltime passing yards behind Favre and Marino
2nd in alltime passer rating for a single season behind Rodgers
1st in alltime single season 4th Qtr comeback victories (and tied for 2nd as well)
2nd in alltime comeback 4th Qtr victories behind Marino
2nd in alltime career game winning drives behind Marino
2nd in alltime TDs in single season behind Brady
3rd in alltime TDs career behind Farve and Marino
And the list goes on and on and on, suffice it to say that Manning's place in NFL history, and the record books, is secure. One interesting statistic is single season touchdown percentage, where Manning is tied for 6th with George Blanda. Manning's 9.9% season came in 2004. Blanda's was in 1961. Adrian Burk (who?) ranks 5th with 10% and that happened in 1954, and those above were all from the 1940's. There's not another "Modern Era" name to be found until you get to Aaron Rodgers' 9% from this season, ranking in a tie for 15th with names from the 1940's, or Brady's 8.7% from 2007 ranking tied for 20th.
The list for those who'd like to see some history is here. Fascinating look at names from a bygone era, with Manning right up there in a seemingly out of place and out of time statistical anomaly.
The point? Manning doesn't need to complete another pass or throw even one more touchdown to be considered one of the greatest of all time. He's already there. He's proven it time and time again. The man simply has nothing left to prove.
The Money
Alright, anyone who thinks that Peyton Manning actually needs more money because he's foolishly frittered away millions of dollars please raise your hand. I'll wait ... and wait ... and wait ...
Right. Manning is arguably one of the most intelligent players in football, or any sport. His contracts over the years have been worth millions of dollars. Hundreds of millions. Plus bonus money. And endorsements. And more endorsements. Back when Michael Jordan was at the top of his game, it was reported that his salary from the Chicago Bulls was about $20 Million a year, and his endorsements were worth another $80 Million a year. Really. That's more than the GDP of some nations. Anyone care to bet that Manning isn't in similar company? Right, that's what I thought.
Peyton Manning doesn't need another dime. He doesn't need a contract, or a bonus. He doesn't need the glory. So much as been tossed about concerning the "best city to live in" should Manning sign with a team not called the Colts. City to live in? Peyton Manning could buy his own city. His own island. Manning Island. To be truthful he already has an island in Indianapolis, but it's in the guise of a domed stadium.
The Bottom Line
In short, it's time for Manning to do what's best for Manning. At this point, with nothing left to prove for his place in history, with no need for money and nothing worth risking his health and perhaps his life for, it's time for Team Manning to do the right thing. It's time for Manning to take a deep breath, sit back and think of his family, his kids, himself. I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan, but I've long been a huge Manning fan and admirer. Amazing talent! I appreciate all you've done and all you've given to the sport, to the game I love. But it's time. All good things must come to an end.
It's time for Manning to hang up the cleats one last time. One final time. Forever. Canton awaits your arrival.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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I'm thinking he has a bad taste in his mouth from Irsay et al.
He’s a fierce competitor and I got to think he’d LOVE to go to an AFC team just to kick the Colts ass and show that young punk Luck who’s better. No different than Favre wanting to go to an NFCN team and kicking their ass twice.
I’d love to be that team. Remember Chiefs vs 49ers in 93? Good times.
by craig in calgary on Jan 30, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions
I agree with the "Luck" part of that theory, especially
If there wasn’t some Golden Boy QB that everyone is hailing as the “next HIM”, I think it’d be easier to walk away.
If the top prospect they were sure to take was a OL, or a pass rusher, or whatever, I think he’d be fine being done.
But to have another QB actively CHOSEN over you? That’d burn me up, and I’m not 1/100th as competitive as he is.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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almost any other situation and I'd agree completely, but Manning's 3 neck surgeries are not something to take lightly
it’s more than understandable that he’d feel this way, a point brought up by a lot of people both on AP and by some national names, and the whole situation is sometimes looked at as similar to what Montana went thru, as well as Aikman with the Cowboys and Marino with the Dolphins
but again, the difference here – the major difference – is that none of them had to deal with anything like a neck surgery
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Agreed
My whole premise is based on the idea that he’s cleared and ready to go. If not, i’m guessing all that stuff flies out the window.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I understand ... my starting premise is the same
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Manning will get his last laugh when The Last Emperor, the Golden Child Luck
Ends up holding a clipboard in Buffalo in about 8 years.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
ha!
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I remember a poster someone brought to that game
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by motrepip on Jan 31, 2012 12:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I completely Agree with You
but this statement:
At what point does Manning’s longterm health and future become more important than our desire to see a game and our own greed for glory as embodied in our team gaining wins and Super Bowl victories?
More than OUR desire, is Peyton’s. I am positive he wants to compete again but I think he needs to go out on top and able to walk. If Eli wins the super bowl, does anyone think Peyton is going to retire and let his lil brother “one up him”? As Craig points out above, how much desire does he have to stick it to the Colts once this whole mess is decided?
Before we go there
We need to realize all that money and intelligence also brings one more VERY important factor to the table…His doctors. That is who knows more then anyone else. If the doctors clear him and he feels good then this all goes by the wayside. I know 3 surgeries, all makes sense to me and if the doctors say he is a high risk or if Manning himself feels that its just too much of a risk then by all means retire, I would not blame anyone much less Manning. BUT, if the doctors clear him and he feels good I cannot see the competitor in him retire. Everything is speculation to this point and in the end its all about Manning and his doctors. The only thing that is not speculation is his doctors to this point have not told him he cannot play again other wise he would have already retired.
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
by BDCinSA on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Very Valid Point
His doctors tell him he is cleared to play why wouldn’t he?
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Ali was cleared to fight by his doctors ... that doesn't make it a good idea to keep playing
does an extremely wealthy man really need to bet everything he has at the casino just to prove a point? and if he loses his bet, then what’s left? he might confirm to all the world that he’s a true gambler at heart, but if he loses his fortune on one last bet and ends up a pauper, he’s still a pauper at the end of the day … brave but foolish
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I was thinking that right after I submitted this
good thing doctors are never wrong about these sorts of things.
The problem here though is Peyton is gonna trust his doctor if he says what he wants to hear. If he doesn’t, who knows, maybe he’ll try and find one who does clear him…
I agree with you that he should call it quits, but I just don’t think he will if he is told he can play again.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 30, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
in some ways we're all like Peyton
Peyton is gonna trust his doctor if he says what he wants to hear
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MIchael Jackson was cleared by his doctors to...never mind.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
ouch!
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BD, valid point on what his doctors say ... this post was written on the "assumption" that he does get medically cleared
my thinking is that he very well could get that green light … but with a caveat: football is a very high risk endeavor (as we all know, and of course as Manning himself knows full well)
the question, if he is cleared, is really what I’ve laid out in the post: the risk-reward ratio, and in my eyes the risk involved isn’t nearly worth the reward
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Don't you think his doctors
will evaluate his risks playing football when they clear him? It’s not like he’s going to the local clinic, and they have no idea what he does for a living.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
I'm sure they all know what he does to earn a living
it’s required information when filling out forms in most medical offices :-)
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Please don't let our last vision of him - be him wearing one of those triple helmets
the size of Newt Gringrich’s head.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Word!
I am not too far off the mind set that he should retire. He is 36 and this is his 3rd neck surgery as you said.
I just dont see the competitor in him throwing in the towel. I also dont think that we can discount the fact that football is his life, its in his blood and its who he is. I think that plays a very valid part in what could happen. We all have done foolish things for love of “inset your cryptonite here”.
For every tragic ending stroy we could most likely counter with a feel good stroy about someone who overcame the improbable and was told they would never do what they love again. I am sure Payton is one of those that has the drive to prove he can. In his interview yesterday he did not sound to me like he was done. Should he be….maybe.
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
oh, he WANTS to keep playing ... of that I have NO doubt whatsoever, none at all
but what else would he say? he knows Irsay is going to cut and run … that leaves him “marked” as being damaged goods available to the public at a wholesale price, and that’s only if he’s actually cleared by his doctors AND has full arm strength back
sounds inviting … but how long til he gets cleared and, more importantly, how long til he’s throwing the ball like his old self? and what if that day never really comes? if a team signs him too early and he doesn’t get back to where he used to be, or even 70% … see what I’m saying here?
sure HE wants to play … but if it in his best interests to? is Peyton Manning with a Jets or Broncos jersey on really what football fans want to see? just as a dedicated fan of the game … think about it
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Spider, good points and I'm sure right now Manning is livid just thinking about Tom Brady using his locker at Lucas Oil Stadium
no question he’s super competitive, that’s one of the things that’s driven him to such heights in his career … but Eli could win this Super Bowl and even another and nobody would mistake him for Peyton
Terry Bradshaw and the Steelers went to, and won, a lot of big games, but when one thinks of “Elite QB’s” Bradshaw isn’t in the discussion with Manning, Marino, Elway, Montana, Brady, et al
I’m sure he wants to compete, passionately … but you and I agree: health is more important in the long run
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Hopefully he comes to this realization
health is more important in the long run
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 30, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
For me this is not a definitive yes or no.
There are qualifiers. Will playing further create a significant, pronounced threat to his health? Football is a rough game so there is always going to be a risk of injury. If the risk is above ordinary, significant, and pronounced I would say retire. If it is not, and he so desires, I would say play on.
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and if the risk is only SLIGHTLY above what it would normally be ... ?
I think that’s part of the equation here, GL … but just how much more is an unknown, even to the doctors themselves
good point though!
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I'm not his doctor.
So I can’t very well vote in this poll.
[x] Not Sure
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
[x] Not Sure
Until, he get’s a final word one way or the other, I’ve gotta abstain. If doctors say he’s good, and that his neck is no different (although of odd length) than any other players, he should keep playing.
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This ^
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
And Ups isn't a doctor either...
From what I have read, the “three neck surgeries” is misleading. The first two were to repair the same bulging disk. Not a gaur entered fix, but less invasive than a fusion.
Neither took. So they went with the “nuclear option” which they had avoided originally be ause of the required recovery time. Not be ause it means his head will fall off the first time he gets tackled.
In fact, the fusion is stronger than repairing the bulging disk. 48 current NFL players have had this surgery and still play. These included LBs that take huge hits every day. This is nothing like Trent Green’s concussions.
The only danger to his career was the nerves that can affect muscle strength after recovery. That is why the press keeps making such a big deal about arm strength returning and his throws to teammates.
This is not to say he won’t retire. He’s got the cash, the prestige, the endorsements, and may not want the pain. But if he retires, it won’t be because he is going to die the first time he gets tackled.
Link:
www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/nov10/clinical2.asp
www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/story/2011/12/02/sp-nfl-manning-neck.html?cmp=rss
by juvatbull on Jan 30, 2012 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
nice find, juvatbull, and thank you!
I do know we’ve had at least a few AP bloggers who’ve commented that they’ve had the same or very similar surgeries and think Manning would be wise not to continue …
and as you said, he’s already got it all
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Yeah.
We also had bloggers who had their appendix removed, who said Cassel wouldn’t be able to play for months. Those type of testimonies aren’t particularly useful. Every injury is unique and every person who has it is unique.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Exactly. The AP members likely don't have the same access to top of the line recovery processes and doctors at the peak of the field
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure those doctors can make a difference in the actual healing process itself
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Manning having a lot of money means he has access to better recovery techniques
which in turn could improve his healing process
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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valid point, Sir
so, put yourself in Manning’s shoes … would you retire or continue?
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How many ways
can I say I have no freaking idea, because I don’t know what he and his doctors know?
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
so, what are you trying to say here? ;)
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Great points
Good clarification of his situation.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, nice find. Rec'd.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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WAIT A DARSH GAARN MINUTE
If you listen tothe audio of the doctor, he studied 99 self-reporting athletes and determined that the ones who elected surgery had slightly longer careers. But his file of participants goes back TWENTY YEARS!!!!. So obviously the guys who were not electing this rather uncommon surgery 20 years ago were hanging up the cleats at a larger rate than they are today, when the technology is better and the paychecks are bigger. Speaking of which, this doctor IS in the business of neck surgery after all. This was not some double blind study, let’s be sure we are clear on this.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Very valid point, elec...
My point wasn’t to shoot Holes in the idea that Manning has issues, just to inform the cause some. The two most often used facts in this case are: he has had three surgeries, and it’s his neck.
Just trying to show that three are really just three incremental steps in one long process, and that it’s a process that does not automatically equal NFL disqualification.
by juvatbull on Jan 30, 2012 6:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understand, I agree and accept that
it’s a process that does not automatically equal NFL disqualification
you’ve done a terrific job at showing and explaining all this … definitely shedding some light on the subject (see what I did there without the use of electricity)
props to both of you guys :-)
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well on would most certainly hope so!
this doctor IS in the business of neck surgery
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Si, compradre ...
the paychecks are bigger.
Now onto Commissar Uppers: who in the hell are you to decide this:
Alright, anyone who thinks that Peyton Manning actually needs more money … Peyton Manning doesn’t need another dime. He doesn’t need a contract, or a bonus.Freaking KARL MARX!?!?
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
annnnnnnnnnnnnnd wreck'd!
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as of Mon evening, a Yhoo Sports report says he is not healing very quickly (according to souces close to Manning)
and I found this part of the article interesting …
… two league-affiliated doctors with experience in spinal fusion surgery said it could take up to a year before Manning knows if he can return. Both said the risk is too great for Manning to play again …
granted, these are not his personal doctors, but it shows that not every physician thinks that a return to football from this kind of surgery is a good thing, or in this case, even possible
but then, what do I know … I’m not a doctor :-)
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I voted "yes" but it is still up to Peyton. Here's a possibility that I could see happening.
I have my doubts that he will be healed enough to risk playing this year. He may very well need to sit out another year and really get well healed. Then he’ll re-evaluate. Most of these injuries, after they are fully healed and if the side effects are gone, leave a person stronger in many ways than before. What will cause Manning to play again, if completely healthy, obviously will not be the money, glory, his fans, maybe not even his family…..it will be his competitive juices and love for the game. If he starts throwing (I’ve heard that he already has) and by this summer or even next fall or winter, feels good and wants to get back in, he’ll do all the research and pick a team and go for it. It may not happen even this year but I would not be surprised if he’s a starting QB, for a couple years, starting in the Spring of 2013. JMO
absolutely, he's as competitive as anyone in the league ... your timeline of another year to fully heal is one I hadn't heard or thought of ... could he end up like Favre? I hope not ...
it will be his competitive juices and love for the game
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And another [x]Not Sure vote
But what an excellent post by ups. Here, Here – Everyone give him a hand. Rec’d but still I didn’t vote. This is one tough decision for Peyton and I think it comes down to what the Drs say. He is one of the fiercest competitors to ever play the game (and if you don’t believe me go back and watch some of our playoff games against the Colts) and if he didn’t want to play anymore he wouldn’t be going through what he is right now. Colts or not, it’s all up to what the Drs feel his risk is at this time.
I was so close to including that "not sure" option, but I really decided that in the end I'd prefer it to be a simple yes or no question
none of us are or can possibly be sure of what Manning will do … and I really doubt that even he knows for sure yet
I always hated seeing him beat us all the time, but sure loved watching him play!
thanks for the props, Sir!
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Well should've for poor, lost fence-sitting souls like moi here.
I was so close to including that “not sure” option
I know its not very popular in today’s sociocultural-political climate to consider our needs … but there are a few “middle of the road” moderates left. Yanno!?!?
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
middle of the road moderate?
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sorry … you were saying?
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Yeah ... middle-of-the road moderate!
That veers radically towards one side of the road and then the other on a few things. So … everybody hates Loco. Oh well … so it goes. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
we're probably identical in that, Loco ...
I’m like wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to the left of Jupiter most days, but on occasion I have my Dark Side of the Moon opposite ideas on a very few things
meet ya there, Brother
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Not sure why we would want him to retire
Wouldn’t we, as fans, want to see him fully recover and return to play at a high level? If further injury is a concern, then we shouldn’t want ANY player to step onto the field.
Respect is one thing, but to not want him back on the field after not missing a single snap in his career before this season, never having a history of injury, and being one of the best in avoiding hits and sacks, that is just nonsensical.
As a fan, I would rather see him at least try to further his career, possibly adding that one record that I believe still stands: no QB has ever won a super bowl with two different teams.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree, I think all fans would LOVE to see him play again ... but that's not the central question in my mind
wanting to see him play is pretty much a given for any football fan … and I do like your “qualifier”
If further injury is a concern, then we shouldn’t want ANY player to step onto the field
I remember when Priest Holmes tried to come back, that was sad to see when he couldn’t do what he used to on the field … what does remain to be seen is, even he is cleared, what his level of play would be like … and that, nobody knows … and while it’s cool to want him to “further his career” (and as a fan I understand that POV) it again leads me back to asking: does he need to?
did Willie Mays need to sign on with the Mets? did Montana need to come to the Chiefs? both were solid alltime greats and HoF’ers
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Does he need to?
Without looking, I’m not sure how far behind he is on some of those records, but he coils make history with being the only QB to win a superbowl with two different teams. There are some stacked teams out there that he could come in and have to do minimal to get the team over the hump (San Fran, New York, etc.) and that could easily be a record that may never be broken.
Its hard to say if he needs to or not, but if he is cleared to play, its hard to think he wouldn’t WANT to.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he'll never beat marino in yards but he's done what he has in far less time than Marino, Favre, Elway, etc
career yards/seasons played
career touchdowns/seasons played
almost anything/seasons played
the guy is tops
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If Peyton plays next year
whatever team he plays for should have a halo put on his helmet and all defenders should be required to carry a pillow so if they sack him they can lay it down before his head hit the ground
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I thought that was the rule for ALL QBs.
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All except Mike Vick and Ben Roethlisberger
You can deduce why :-)
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 3:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Vick is way above average in drawing roughing the passer penalties.
I’m not sure about Big Ben. He usually doesn’t throw until someone is hanging all over him anyway.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
As much as I was kidding about them
I am surprised by Vick, especially after his post-game rant about how he doesn’t get roughing calls.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 4:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Read an article right after that.
That pointed out that he was way above average in drawing penalties. He was either leading the league or near the top, I don’t remember.
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interesting
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haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
priceless! :-)
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Is it a surprise that the top two QBs
play in the same division as arguably the two dirtiest players in the game? You be the judge.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 30, 2012 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you might be on to something there ...
the names at the bottom are interesting, too … Flacco, both Mannings, Brady, Schaub … great protection and/or quick release (or both)
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Guys who get rid of the ball
vs. guys who hang on to the ball.
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surprising that #10 guy isn't a little higher in the list
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poor guy ... do we say "1, 2, 3 aww"
nah, let’s not
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Can we find someone to do a "Stingly" on Dog Killer?
Byron Stingly SURE AS HELL didn’t deserve that. But there’s one current player who does. Yep … I have an evil side … if one wishes to judge me that way. Just call me … HIV2Elway Jr. for this comment.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yanno, I can't say that I haven't thought negative things about that guy myself ...
not that I’d want to see something like that happen, of course … my original preference was simply that he serve a much longer prison sentence
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Ben RoastMyBurger welcomes even Terrell Suggs trying to rough him up!
I’m not sure about Big Ben. He usually doesn’t throw until someone is hanging all over him anyway.
He’s one tough SOB!
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
that he is ... no love lost for the guy after his fiasco, but he IS tough
then too … how tough can he really be if he needs bodyguards to go out for a drink?
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Well, IIRC, the chick admitted she had consensual sex with RoastMyBurger
But regretted it afterwards. This is NOT rape! Having worked at Charter Hillside (yes, I too find it ironic that I worked there … instead of being a patient; but it sure was a rich source for my material) for 1-1/2 years many moons ago when I was a psyche major, I’ve had a couple women tell me about being ACTUALLY raped! Now if you want to say RoastMyBurger is a major league jerk, asshole, jackass … something wrong with him mentally towards his relations with women??? Then otay … he’s guilty of that apparently.
As for his bodyguards? Hey, I think that’s more of … having a posse entourage with you worshiping the ground you walk on. Now maybe they were a highly trained cadre of Bruce Lee disciples? I don’t know??? But, hey … if you think somebody really has it in for you … being a badass, macho man football player doesn’t stop bullets and knives. Bodyguards are supposed to take those for you. :+) Anywhoo … he’s a tough hombre on the football field at least … if not anywhere else?
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
psych major ... yanno, I almost went into that early early early on in my life
yeah, explains a lot about you, Loco (angelic smile)
I dunno, just the idea of the bodyguards and all, the posse if you want to call it that … inane
then too, I can’t figure why someone would have it in for some athlete to begin with … ah well, I know nothing, Col Hogan
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Off Topic, but I love Andrew Sharp's take on ...
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So why hasn't Pioli gone out and got Brady and Belichick?
Either we have a cheap owner or they dont’ pick up after themselves.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
some kind of contractual nonsense I'd imagine
but really, can’t have one without the other, that would be an exercise in futility
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Excuse me but you got Belichick all over my Brady.
YOU got Brady on my Belichick!
MMMMM.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Patriots Peanut Butter Cups
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thank you, Steve ... not for agreeing, but for seeing my point
it’s not out of hatred, but more out of respect for all he’s done … rather see a guy “go out on top” than just play out the string
whatever happened to guys staying with the same team forever .. the “lifers” … George Brett, seems to me he was asked by Robin Yount or someone with the Brewers his opinion about staying with the Brew Crew or going elsewhere (late in his career) and Brett was very much in favor of him staying on where he was … the lifers are few and far between these days
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Ohhh ... I can see your points ... cuz you're a good writer.
But I don’t have the total, utter inside scoop on exactly what Peyton and his medicine men know? Sooo … I really have no firm opinion on this matter. If he’s healthy, the he should continue his career. Just as long as he doesn’t dare come here and take Matty Nice’s job.
Matty Nice forever! THE USC Trojans forever! HIP! HIP! HOORAY!
Anywhoo, rec’d for good writing. You should start an ezine or something.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
ha! ty Loco ...
but I’ll pass on the ezine startup, too much competition … besides, with AP going there’s no need to bother, this is as good as it gets
the pay sucks, but the hours are great :-)
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I hope this isn't Peyton's doctor!
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I agree, Peyton should just say goodbye to the game.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
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good post
I am with you on burying this topic. It is time to move on from the Peyton Manning pipe dream
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 PM CST reply actions
Not that it matters mtn, but Ali has Parkinson's disease.
There is no definitive evidence this was caused by blows to the head.
I know ... although there's a strong liklihood that the condition has been exacerbated by the original damage
there’s a definite correlation though, and dementia pugilista itself is similar to Parkinson’s in symptomatic terms, and in 1984 he was originally diagnosed as having Parkinson’s Syndrome … head trauma is often associated with that as well
nice catch, Nanker!
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Apparently great minds think alike (at least twisted?)
You beat me to writing a similar post, so I’ll simply reply to yours.
I have been saying exactly the same things to anyone who would listen before this season was half over. Great work on the records mentioned. That was the one area where I didn’t have specifics; all I know is he has nothing left to prove AND a Superbowl to boot. Marino should be so lucky.
This isn’t an achilles, knee, elbow – it is his spinal column. He is going to Canton. The only thing he proves by continuing to play is he must not be, in fact, very smart at all.
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by Chiefs_Ragnarok on Jan 31, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions
thanks for the props, Rag ...
I didn’t dive TOO deep into the record books for stats because I didn’t want to spend #18 days on one post :-)
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I'm a fan of Dylan Thomas
And I always prefer to rage against the dying of the light
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nice!
Robert Frost guy myself, although I am partial to Steinbeck …
This is the beginning—from “I” to “we”. If you who own the things people must have could understand this, you might preserve yourself. If you could separate causes from results, if you could know that Paine, Marx, Jefferson, Lenin were results, not causes, you might survive. But that you cannot know. For the quality of owning freezes you forever into “I”, and cuts you off forever from the “we”.
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I enjoy Frost too, I actually own his complete works.
Steinbeck has his moments
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 31, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
... and miles to go before I sleep
props, nate!
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Ditto!
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