Does Scott Pioli Understand That The Chiefs Have A Problem At Quarterback?
by Shackett on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 PM CST
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Was curious to what the forum thought of this. Every CHIEFS conversation I've had starts out with Matt Cassel's ability to play the Quarterback position.
Some people believe that Pioli is giving him a free pass after the injuries last season, and out of Patriot loyalty is going to stick to his initial plan.
Others believe that Pioli is using his classic Smoke Screen (ala Phil Taylor / Gabe Carimini / Brian Bulaga ) by saying that trading up for a QB is unlikely / Stating that he is happy w/ Matt Cassel-Ricky Stanzi.
This might be Pioli's most important draft as a GM. Regardless of Cassel starting or not ... the Chiefs do not have a solid back up Quarterback. On top of everything.... Cassel has yet to prove that he can convincingly win games without Jamaal Charles in the backfield.
Thoughts ... Opinions?
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Simply think Pioli has seen Cassel play well in the past, and with the right situation
will be able to again.
2012 - The Year of the QB
We either find out we got one or we get one
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 29, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I said that in 2011
And I’m over it. Sure there were injuries and inconsistency in the coaching, but this is year three of me watching every snap Cassel takes. His physical tools are apparent. Orton is a step up no matter how small a step up or what you think about Orton’s decision making at times. Why is this even a question?
fuck...
hate the way pioli doesn’t dismiss Cassel as a failed project. Makes no sense to try and build around a qb that doesnt work well with our team instead of moving the incompetent qb and helping out our team. If Manning becomes a free agent, Chiefs would be extremely foolish to not take that chance for a championship if Manning declares himself healthy and ready to play.
So he should come out and say Cassels sucks
before even finding his replacement, and possibly try to trade him?
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
no need for that, we do it for him ... and very well indeed :-)
he should come out and say Cassel sucks
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He has an opportunity to sign Cassel's replacement right now
It’s put up or shut up time for Pioli. He can sign Orton and trade Cassel. Unless we really believe he’s going to go after Manning or trade up for a top prospect. I’ll believe it when I see it.
phuk...
…both you and Pioli need to realize Cassel isn’t a failed project… Cassel provided stability while the roster was being rebuilt, but, Pioli needs to realize Cassel isn’t the final step in the process of developing a winning offense.
Where would yout put Cassel in a ranking of all NFL QBs? I would rather have Cassel over 4 starters out of 31.
we have one of the best running backs in the league, a decent O-line, very talented wide receivers, and Cassel still plays like that? We were good enough to take the afc west last season because of Jamaal Charles and his 6.4 yards per carry and the addition of Berry to an emerging play making defense.
The best play that Cassel was involved in would either be handing the ball off to Charles for tds or the ball he overthrew by a couple feet to Moeaki against SF. He was terrible all season like against buffalo in which berry and succop saved Cassel in, his last game against the raiders, and his pathetic performance against the ravens. If Pioli thinks he can construct a dynamic offense around Cassel, he would need to put star players in every position but the QB, a luxury the Chiefs cannot afford.
Except that it wasn't like that. You are picking and choosing your "facts"
In 2010 Cassel had good enough numbers to get him to Hawaii. He was the AFC Offensive Player of the month in November, passing for 1111 yards and 12 TDs.
In 2011 Cassel had no running game, lost his go-to tight end, “his very talented receivers” were Bowe and Breaston who was starting on a new team. The “play making defense” was routinely giving up around 40 points. He was 4-4 when he injured his hand.
I now return you to your regular Cassell hate programming.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
I am a big time Cassel supporter.
I agree with most everything you said, but I do have one issue. I would submit that at least ‘some’ of the reason the Chiefs D was giving up 40 points a game ‘might’ have something to do with all the 3-n-outs (general lack of sustained drives) by the offense (including, but not limited to Cassel’s performance).
Head in the sand.
Wake up. Can’t have 90 yard games from a QB and expect to win games. Ever.
Unless you are Tim Tebow. And Cassel most certainly is not.
The Pro Bowl argument is over
especially since the two best quarterbacks don’t even go anymore. I mean, even Derek Anderson made a Pro Bowl, so it’s not like it was ever a good determination of a top notch quarterback. And offensive player of the month? Really, you’re going to play that card?
Don’t call it Cassel hate either. I wished Cassel could turn into a top ten quarterback for three years now, because I wanted that for him, but it never happened. I’d still tell him to never give up and never listen to the naysayers if I saw him. That still doesn’t mean he’s got it. Locking on to his first option, errant throws, and long range wobblers have nothing to do with hate.
NO you dont understand!
No QB on this team moved this team like Orton did. Why did Orton move the Chiefs up and down the field? Because Orton is a real QB! He makes quick decisions and gets the ball out. Against GB he got the ball to 9 different WR’s. When was the last time you saw Cassell make those kind of decisions? I personally have never seen it. Another fact in this discussion is Cassell is so terrible at reading defenses that he’s one of the most sacked QBs in the league. Orton was sacked once in 3 games vs Cassells 22 or 27 or how many ever. I’m to lazy to look it up just now. Cassell being our QB is wasting our WR core. Did you notice how much better Orton made the O line look? It wasn’t because the O line played better its because Orton makes his reads faster and gets the ball out in 3 seconds vs Cassells 6 to 9 or never! I’m tired of seeing Cassell throw the ball in front of the WR or behind the WR to far on crossing routes. I’m tired of seeing deep balls thrown 10 yards to far. I’m tired of seeing Cassell stare down one WR and try to throw it to him. I’m tired of seeing Cassell look at his primary read and if it’s not there check it down to the RB without even looking at his 2nd and 3rd options. I’m sicking fucking tired of watching Cassell! It’s a failed experiment, Cassell will never be better. Hes 30 years old already. Orton is by far the superior QB in every phase of the game! Sign Orton or Manning and trade Cassell.
Manning
May not even play again. According to the news this morning, his recovery isn’t going all that well and he may never be back to full health. At this point, Manning is more a name than an asset.
disagree ...
Manning is a terrific asset in the world of endorsements and marketing … Nike, Adidas, Puma, Sketchers
gives a whole new meaning to “Come At Me, Bro!” when you consider Eli as well as Peyton
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
The situation being against overmatched defenses
With the very, very rare exception (he was all right against the Steelers in ’09)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I have no idea
I guess there’s a possibility he believes Cassel’s got what it takes. It’s tough to believe, given how obvious Cassel’s struggles are, but he could well view him as the best option available.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
this is a possibility and it makes me sad that it actually might be Pioli's perception
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What other choice would be available in Pioli's perception?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
If he’s genuinely not sold on RG3, the only option out there is Orton…
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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seriously
This is getting old….the Chiefs/Pioli isnt going to tip their hand one way or the other…why say we think Cassel sucks and we will search for a new qb? This would be a disadvantage in botb free agency and the draft…also lets say a free agent we eant signs else where and lets say we cant move up in the draft and are stuck with Cassel…how is he going to feel if we come up and rip him all offseason??? Chill out people start complaining after the draft if we havent improved that position
by CWil03 on Jan 29, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
greened
Agree completely. Most of us say Cassel sucks and are just afraid Pioli will stick with him until its to late. Maybe he gets it and will do everything possible to improve the position. Either way, there is no way to know until after the draft when things really start to happen.
Pioli bought a Lemon!
RAC City. I predict an AFC West crown in 2012. If Cassel is not the QB, Chiefs will go deep into the playoffs and possibly make some sizable upsets. It all depends how healthy the team gets but Superbowl aspirations for sure.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 31, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Would you keep Cassel as your #1 if it meant you could pay and keep both Bowe and Carr?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
yep
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
If there was a clear upgrade at QB over Cassel available - no chance.
If not, keep what you have and keep looking. Silly to lose Carr / Bowe just for the sake of losing them. But if it means you can definitely upgrade the most important position on the team – absolutely make the move and try to replace Bowe / Carr.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Especially if it is signing free agent Peyton Manning.
The Chiefs can draft either Robinson from ASU who looks like a young Bowe or Kirkpatrick who could replace Carr’s production. Losing Bowe doesn’t kill me as much knowing we could use our first round pick to replace our first round talents, and draft an O-lineman in the 2nd round.
If we signed Peyton Manning I'd rather use that 1st to upgrade our OL
and protect a risky investment.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Cassel's contract this year allows Pioli to have some flexibility within the cap to get other players or re-sign our own.
Worst case scenario you’re stuck with Cassel this year, his best year contract-wise, and then you go out and replace him next year when the draft appears deeper and there could be other more interesting free agents.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 29, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
hell no
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 29, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
All these posts about the Chiefs Quarterback problems
make it sound like the easiest thing in the world is to find an elite starting Quarterback. In reality there isn’t a position that is harder to fill in all of sports, and fixing it isn’t as easy as saying it needs to be fixed.
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Jan 29, 2012 1:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So you want to fight me?
;-)
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by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Do you own an AK?
Since 2005: Royals win% = .4100, Chiefs win% = .4095
Mitt Romney is a serial killer.
by averagegatsby on Jan 29, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
No, but I am a pimp.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Its as easy as 123
Trade away every draft pick and player. Force teams to take your picks and players. Make the free agents come to the team and sign a contract. Its all so simple.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 2:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chiefs QB problems?
THere is one [position harder to fill is a top rate starting pitcher for the Royals. Talk about tough!
hey now, the Royals have Zach Gr ... oh wait
never mind!
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Are you serious??
… the Chiefs do not have a solid back up Quarterback.
Actually, that’s the only thing they do have: Matt Cassel as #2
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Think of the effect, during a games or several games, when the receivers, and RBs on
screens, are loosing confidence that their QB will make the right throw and get the ball to them. I think that that is maybe why these guys seem to almost quit when they would get a couple of TD’s behind. If the players don’t have confidence in their QB, it’s going to effect the entire team. And, in worst case, Orton would definately be an upgrade.
So what is your argument?
We should re-sign Orton?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 2:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree, but that isn't a certain option, nor an infallible one
Orton is a UFA. He likely wants to get a long term starters contract.
KC getting Orton to commit here will likely put us in the same position we are currently in in 2 years: clamoring for an upgrade at the QB position with no feasible option to do so.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What he wants and what he'll get are two different things.
He may want a long term starter contract but he will never get one. He has been traded around and even released in favor of a option QB. The guys best shot at winning is a 2 year deal in KC and I think everyone knows it.
The Bronco’s shopped him around earlier in the season didn’t they? I may be mistaken but I thought I heard that. If that is true, no one was willing to give up anything to take on his contract which is telling.
This is the issue with KC fans
We are so hungry for improved QB play that we are willing to take only marginal improvement without thought of the future past next season.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
at 29 I think Orton could be a very good choice for the next 5-6 years easily
and, stats aside he looks clearly superior in how he goes about his business … granted he’s not the ONLY option, but he could very well be our best option when all other things are considered
given a simple choice between Orton and Cassel, I’d take Orton without hesitation … even though his stats might only be marginally better, the eye test, and sabermetrics tell a slightly different story … he’s a definite upgrade to Cassel
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You know me, ups
I’m the last person to claim I feel Cassel is the answer. However, I do recognize that if we can claim to know what Cassel’s ceiling is, then we definitely know what Orton’s ceiling is, which we have seen in a bigger sample size.
I, like everyone else, can see Orton’s physical ability that surpasses Cassel’s, but the on-field production just hasn’t been far and away what it should be compared to Cassel, and that is why I believe we will be in the same boat we are now in no more than 2 years, if we commit to Orton long term
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I disagree completely in terms of physical ability
Cassel isn’t physically incapable, it’s a head thing … Orton goes thru progressions more quickly and completely, he seems to read the field and defenses better and faster, and looks much more comfortable in the pocket (and stepping up to the line if he needs to) than Cassel has even shown on his best days
go read the Arrowheadlines article that quotes Rich Gannon about testing QB’s … if someone gave both Orton and Cassel a written test right now Orton would blow Cassel away
he’s just better in so many ways … is he Manning? Brees? Brady? nopem but give him the full complement of weapons that Cassel had a year ago and he’d look a world better than Cassel did last year
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Again, I'm not disagreeing about Orton's abilities over Cassel's
But if we talk like the team won most games DESPITE Cassel, then the same argument could be made about Orton and the Denver win, and you could argue that with better play from the QB, we would have won against Oakland.
Once again, yes, he is seems more capable than Cassel, but the production isn’t there from Orton compared to Cassel. We all want those negatives that we have harped on from Cassel gone (throw progressions, reading defenses, pocket presence, quicker release), but we shouldn’t just accept those as “fixing the problem” when the most important aspect, on-field production, isn’t much better than Cassel’s has been through both of their careers
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
did you watch the same games the rest of us did?
come on, man … his on field production was head and shoulders above anything Cassel has done in 2-1/2 years … now if you mean POINTS then yeah … Houston, We’ve Got A Problem … that’s why many of us are dying to see the OLIne upgraded (and not just a "marginal RT thing, but the LG and of course Center as well)
again though … Orton’s “production” in the past (as you know) can be attributed in part to being on some pretty talentless teams … give the man a decent set of tools to work with and he should be able to win a lot more games than you might think (with, you know … better mechanics, the progressions, reading defenses, etc etc) … you just admitted he does all that, and those are the things Cassel does NOT do … what else do you need to understand that Orton is night and day from Cassel and can win games with our team
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just seems a bit shortsighted to me
Especially when you are using the argument for Orton that many use against Cassel: you have to build the team around him to be successful. If you want to argue that Orton needs a good team around him, then we aren’t really making any headway on improving the QB position, are we?
You can’t even rightfully say that you don’t expect us to be clamoring for the same thing in 2 years that we are right now. Orton’s better mechanics and abilities will all but be forgotten when his negatives start showing through, such as his propensity to throw INTs at the worst times, his bad decision making, his lack of leadership, and the fact that in about twice as many years in the league than Cassel, he has likely led just as many late game winning drives.
Like I said, marginally better with on-field production and light years better than Cassel in fundamentals isn’t a good enough reason to commit to Orton as long as he likely expects his contract to be. There is a reason he has been dumped by his first two teams, both times for less fundamentally sound QBs, nonetheless.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 7:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well, we built the team around Cassel last year year and he looked horrible
and looked worse this year (albeit with JC and TMo out) … tired of waiting for him to “develop” and would prefer to “take my chances” with Orton
how’s that?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Again, I understand the thought here
But “taking our chances” means a long term, expensive contract for a QB that is already a veteran in the league, and still hasn’t been much more than a servicable starter in the league, again, not unlike Cassel, but with some better tangibles.
Mt thoughts here (and I know you won’t like it) are either ride out Cassel another year or throw in Stanzi, at least mid-year. I don’t see us winning many games either way, and if im surprised by development from either, fantastic. If not, closer to the top of getting that high draft pick QB.
And yes, I get that even a high draft pick can fail, but the best chance of finding that elite QB is st the top of drafts (or at least in the first round), and the more games we might manage to win (which Orton gives us the best chance, but closer to 7 or 8, not 12 or 13), the farther we are from that QB.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 8:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Delaney -
Orton sustains drives which makes our defense (and the whole team) better. Don’t discount that even though the scoreboard won’t show it. Without all the 3 and outs Cassel had we weren’t getting blown out like we had been with Cassel.
Ya Orton may have trouble finding the end zone as well but he gives the defense a chance to win the game by holding the opposing team to 10 points or less.
Like your user name.....remember him well. I liked Cassel from the start and then
started listing to some of the comments being made by those more knowledgeable than I last year after the Oakland and Baltimore games. Then this year, his third year, I really starting watching what they were saying (happy feet, does not see the whole field, can’t handle pressure, folds in the pocket right away, locks down on one receiver, it was so obvious, etc.) and I saw great effort by most of the team but saw how discouraged they seem to be getting. Example: not sure what game but Bowe was really trying hard it appeared and for about three/four passes in a row, the ball was either in the ground or way overthrown. To me, I could just see it, like the wind was just out of him after those plays. I’ve seen the same in linemen, have you ever noticed how their heads turn around after the QB releases the ball to see if it’s caught, or dropped, or overthrown, or underthrown. When the QB is frequently out of sink, it affects the whole team. Cassel has done some great things but overall, he’s just not handling the job just like the screen interception at SD. It just shows a guy that can’t handle pressure consistantly. Otherwise, he’s a great guy and I wish it could be fixed but this team has come too far to be in this situation even for one more year.
I could be the biggest Haley apologist around If I wanted to be universally hated.
But I do think Haley made a head case out of Cassel. He made him learn a new offense two weeks before the 2009 season. Then Cassel spent the year running for his life.
I really think the 2010 Weis-Haley argument went like this:
Weis: OK Matt, I want you to do this and this and…
Haley. Hold on. No way! Matt, If your first receiver isn’t open, dump it off or throw it away. Don’t take the sack and WHATEVER YOU DO don’t throw an interception. Dont’ take any chances.
Weis: Well then, what do you need me for? You can be the QB coach!
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
There might be some truth to what you say but Orton, for an example, came
in and really moved the team without being fimilar with the coaches or the players (receivers specifically). There will always be change and QB’s need to be able to contantly adjust to the circumstances. However, a QB needs to have the confidence of his team-mates and if he looses that, he’s pretty much done.
I will definitely cede that point
Orton had the offense in the field longer, I would wager. Anyone want to look and see what our average time of possession was with Cassel/Palko vs. Orton?
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, at this point I much prefer Orton over Cassel. My point was they were playing for different coaches.
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by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Current Scenarios
Current List of Teams in Need of QBs
1. Redskins
2. Dolphins
3. Colts
4. Cardinals
5. Seahawks
6. Jets
7. Chiefs
Manninng = Cardinals, Redskins, Jets, Chiefs
Luck = Colts
Flynn = Phins, Seahawks
TJ Yates (?) = Browns, Seahawks
Orton = Browns, Jets, Cardinals , Chiefs
Campbell = Jets, Seahawks, Cardinals
The Jets are going to be players in this scenario. Rex knows that he’s out of a job unless he fixes the QB problem in New York (especially if the Giants win a Super Bowl).
Manning = Jets – same town as baby brother. Decent coaching staff.
Flynn = Dolphins – same coaching staff as GB. Perfect fit.
TJ Yates = Seahawks. Pete Carrol runs the same WCO as the Texans. He needs a starting QB asap.
Campbell = Cardinals. Throws the deep ball very well. A perfect fit for Ken Whisenhunts system. Will compete w/ Skelton for the starting position.
Orton = Redskins. A veteran QB to start the season and mentor a young QB.
Chiefs / Redskins / Browns = Fight over drafting RGIII , Tannehill, Etc.
TJ Yates?
Why would the Texans dump him? He has a high ceiling for what the Texans got him for, so he’s a cheap and reliable backup. I think the Texans are much more likely to dump Leinert.
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Matt Schaub
he was playing inspired football prior to his injury…. Yates has a small contract for 3 more years. Schaub’s contract is too large to dump.
my take ...
Manning retires
Flynn to Dolphins but fails to resemble Aaron Rodgers
Yates stays put, only to lose to Chiefs in Conference Finals
Campbell to Cards would be a good fit
Browns have a guy
Seachickens continue to resemble Pete Carroll’s Grandmother
Redskins? who cares, man
Orton returns to Chiefs who announce their pick of David DeCastro in the First Round of the 2012 NFL Draft, Chiefs go on to win AFC West and eventually lose in the Super Bowl to the Saints, prompting Arrowhead pride to explode with a severe outbreak of “I Told You So!” from bloggers claiming only an “Elite QB” can ever win the Super Bowl (Note: Drew Brees names Carl Nicks as Super Bowl MVP for saving his life form a raging fire called Tamba Hali)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL, good one. You are sooooooooo.......in love with DeCastro, what are you going to
do if the Chief’s don’t get him. Are you working as his agent???? He does sound good and I wouldn’t mind the Chief’s getting him but do you realize how often you plug him? Lol.
not his agent, cry if he's there and we pass on him, yeah I know ... hoping some people will accept it by osmosis ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You're not named Nostradamus without reason I see.
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by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
If ain't the wild hogs, its the damn Nutria
And if it ain’t the damn hogs and damn Nutria, its the damn Mississippi washing all the top soil into the gulf. And if ain’t the damn hogs, the damn nutria, that gosh darn Mississippi, and hurricanes … its the friggin’ oil spills. I wonder if dem cajuns ever get the feeling that god doesn’t like’em? Louisiana needs federal intervention to save’em from god’s wrath.
Signed: President Barak Obama
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 29, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
protein ... they are a gift from heaven and should be eaten, all of them
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if we have to fight both the skins & browns for getting RGIII we'll loose
due to draft position they’ll be able to offer more value at lower ‘costs’
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
only hope is that the browns still have hopes for...whats his name again?...colt mccoy
also they need receivers badly
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
I hope so
who’d our possible trade partners want? Dorsey? TJax?
the Rams need receivers and the Vikings have holes everywhere, I believe.
Bowe cant be traded as long as he’s a FA – think anybody could be interested in Baldwin although still unproven?
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Lot of possibilities, don't forget tag and trade scenarios. I think the Rams would
love to have Glenn D. as he would make the D-line and recent draft picks into a happening front. Not that I am advocating getting rid of talented players, but sometimes the gain outweighs the loss. Also, not sure Luck is going to be the first pick over rg3, who has as good of arm as you will get to see.
QB puzzle
Manning to the HOF
Colts => Lucky
Skins => Campbell/Orton
Phins => Orton/Campbell
Cards => Flynn
Hawks => unknown QB via draft
Browns => stick to McCoy, draft Blackmon
Jets => Rex Ryan explodes; uncertainty at every level
Chiefs => Give me an “R”! Give me a “G”! Give me “R-G-three”
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
This is the year......No Really it is
We all get so little information from this regime it is hard to follow/predict what they are going to do until they present us with the fait accompli.
What we do know is……….
This is the cheapest year of Cassel’s 6 yr contract—the base goes up the last 2 years.
He has not had a QB coach or O-Coordinator for 2 years in a row in the last 4.
He has had 2 winning seasons with very acceptable stats.
He also gets a “deer in the headlights look when things break down” and runs for it.
Unless Dr. Piloistein has been remaking Stanzi…we need a real back up QB
Our O-Line needs a major overhaul and it so obvious even Pioli has said so.
I think Pioli thinks that
If they can keep Zorn as QB coach and give him an off season to work with Casel
Find a back up if FrankenStanzi doesn’t work
Get a starting Guard
Get a starting Right Tackle who is competent
Resign or Tag Bowe
Find an O-Coordinator who will not re-invent the wheeel
The offense will be ready to go with Cassel at the helm.
However, if Cassel does not shine this year, then he gets cut next year as Pioli will need the cap space then.
Sorry, but when you really look at it, it's unfair to the rest of the team to persist in keeping
Cassel as the starter. I don’t like the word “all” but I think it might be safe to say that ALL NFL players want to win and if they have a weak link, they know it. It’s just like a bunch of friends getting out there and playing football or basketball, there’s a reason why one guy always get’s picked last. The other guys don’t have confidence in him. And, he might be short, fat and slow. Lol.
mmmm....stanzi is a quality backup at the least....removing stanzi, our most talented and potential filled qb, would be moronic
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
MC isn't a good QB
Theres no way that Pioli doesn’t see it but good QB’s don’t just become available that often. I think if anything he is going to bank on Stanzi because that was his first drafted QB here in KC.
That makes more sense than banking on Orton re-signing, Peyton finding his way here, or us trading up for a QB in the draft
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 29, 2012 5:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hard to say. Remember Brodie was consistently the best QB in training camp each year.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
My Nightmare:
Next season, we win the division and lose a home playoff game(again)! Denver finishes dead last in the Division and blows Tebow out for a 3rd round pick. Denver moves up aggressively and gets Barkley in 2013. We are stuck with a 32 year old Cassel who can’t win playoff games with no “real” plan B! Denver builds their offense up over 2-3 years and becomes a perennial playoff team again going to 2-4 Superbowls and we keep going out for year 4 or 5 backups who can’t beat the QB on their original teams! I.E. My nightmare is redoing the disaster that has been 41 years of crappy choices!
RGIII OR Pioli Resigns!
WAR Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!
by Jason Drue Keith on Jan 29, 2012 6:05 PM CST reply actions
I think you're gonna have a coronary, or blow an aneurysm, someday, Jason
But I do agree with someof your opinions. The Chiefs: Repeating “the process” for the 42 years, and counting.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 29, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Agree. I'm actually open to Flynn but agree, just do something instead of what's been done
for all these years. If Pioli had a five year plan, he’d better hurry up. If his plan was longer than that, he should have never been hired.
I don't think so I think he lives under a rock!
if he doesn’t go after a QB this year It’s going to be a long year and next off season we will be talking about the same QB controversy! He need’s to take care of this on draft day this year and get out from under that rock!
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 29, 2012 9:22 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Haha
ya right what kinda of rock are you living under?
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
the problem is he spent so much on him gave the pats a draft pick and now he is left hold the bad apple
NE got lucky they luck up on brady but also to be fair i want to put him behind a better o line because no Qb and i mean none in or out the game hall of fame or other wise can win behind this line. The other thing is next year is matt last year to prove him self or he is gone anyway .
Forgetting Mark Sanchez.
In the available QB pool, if the Jets get a new one that means that Sanchez is also on the market. Would a change of scenery do him good?
For All the Cassell Lovers and I used to be one!
No QB on this team moved this team like Orton did. Why did Orton move the Chiefs up and down the field and convert 3rd downs? Because Orton is a real QB! He makes quick decisions and gets the ball out. Against GB he got the ball to 9 different WR’s. When was the last time you saw Cassell make those kind of decisions? I personally have never seen it. Another fact in this discussion is Cassell is so terrible at reading defenses that he’s one of the most sacked QBs in the league. Orton was sacked once in 3 games vs Cassells 22 or 27 or how many ever in 10 games. Those are killers, they are drive enders especially when you dont have an accurate QB. Cassell being our QB is wasting our WR core. Did you notice how much better Orton made the O line look? It wasn’t because the O line played better its because Orton makes his reads faster and gets the ball out in 3 seconds vs Cassells 6 to 9 or never! I’m tired of seeing Cassell throw the ball in front of the WR or behind the WR to far on crossing routes. I’m tired of seeing Cassell throw the ball in the ground in front of the WR. I’m tired of seeing deep balls thrown 10 yards to far. I’m tired of seeing Cassell stare down one WR and try to throw it to him. I’m tired of seeing Cassell look at his primary read and if it’s not there check it down to the RB without even looking at his 2nd and 3rd options. I’m sicking fucking tired of watching Cassell! It’s a failed experiment, Cassell will never be better and had one good year in NE with a Hall of Fame O line and a 2 Hall of Fame WR’s. Not to mention Bells a Check is a damn good coach. Hes 30 years old already. Orton is by far the superior QB in every phase of the game! Sign Orton or Manning and trade Cassell. If Pioli keeps Cassell next year, I will probally drive to KC and shit on the walk at Arrowhead!
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