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Jackie Battle and Le'Ron McClain's futures in KC?

I was contemplating doing an individual post for both of our Chiefs here, but I was worried about the FanPost/FanShot police and decided to merge them.

Jackie Battle

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What to think of Jackie Battle... Jamaal got hurt and our once prominent and formidable rushing attack. We all knew that Thomas Jones was passed his prime, no one thought McCluster had what it took to play RB, and preseason, almost everyone had called for Jackie Battle to be released. But out of the bottom of the depth chart came Jackie, running in a rage that no defense was going to stop before 3 or so yards. I first noticed him in the Minnesota game. He converted a few crucial thrid downs late in the game when there appeared to be no holes, but beefore the announcers could say "It'll be a 1-yard gain for Jackie Battle" he would explode out the other end of the pile with a linebacker or two on his back. Then he had 117 yards in the Colts game, which made me think he could be the RB of the future, only for him to have a mediocre season from there on out.

But I can't say that was Battle's fault. Our rotation of RB's was working against him. He'd get 3 carries, and right when he's getting in the groove, Jones or McCluster would go in for him. He could never get into the running "mood" because as soon as he was ready he'd go out. It was counter-productive and just didn't work well.

I believe that Jackie has all the potential to be a great RB in the NFL. He's a big 240 pounds runner who probably is the most physical in the league. And in the shadow of the Nigerian Nightmare, he started out his career at fullback around 265 pounds (however, he could run a 4.4, maybe still can), only to jump around between the two positions. Their running styles are very similar, too. No side-to-side movement whatsoever, just get all that weight up to speed and punish defenders. He's also just everything that a Chiefs fan wants. A linebacker running the ball, who is about as humble as it gets and rarely celebrates or even talks.

Do to his age (28 years old) and perception of his lack of skill, many think he will be a backup next year to a free-agent brusier or maybe even get cut. What do you think about Jackie's future as a Chief?

And our next Chief...

Le'Ron McClain

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When we picked up Le'Ron, I was psyched out of my mind. I have had a bit of a man-crush on him since his college days at Alabama and it intensified when he led the Ravens in the rushing in 2008, and when he came to KC I just about died. He was a fullback who could run like a halfback, and was a great blocker and receiver. It made me love Pioli when we got him.

Many on AP think he was a disappointment. But I never lost faith in McClain. He makes some sick blocks that really can spring our runners, and for being a leading rusher in 2008 barely got any carries. He has made some great catches, but has also dropped some.

When Romeo became head coach, the offense changed. Le'Ron got a lot more carries. He was crucial in the Green Bay game, both blocking wise and running wise. Late in the game he got one of a few carries that game and bowled over A.J Hawk for a first down that we really needed, and on the next play drove Charles Woodson 15 yards downfield on Jackie Battle's 15 yard run that sealed the game. He had a few 10+ yard runs on the 10 or so carries he got this season, and I think he needs an opportunity to get more carries. If Jackie leaves KC, I want Le'Ron to get a lot more carries opposite Jamaal.

And it's not just his play on the field. He's a guy who Chiefs players and coaches say is a locker room leader and who gets along with everyone. He tweets about his teammates and the team constantly (I mean CONSTANTLY), and really seems like a team first guy. I'd hate to see him go.


People say they can't run in this system because of their styles and our personnel.

But why not? Sure, we were the smallest line in the league this year, but with hopeful draft choice David DeCastro and young center Rodney Hudson, we'll bulk up on the line and maybe finally be able to convert a 3rd and 1 for once! Who the hell wouldn't want to actually score on the GODDAMN GOALLINE FOR ONCE!!!?????

Thoughts?

Poll
What do you think of their futures in Kansas City?
Jackie stays, Le'Ron leaves.
13 votes
Le'Ron stays, Jackie leaves.
93 votes
Both stay.
219 votes
Both leave.
8 votes
Jackie stays, but only as a backup.
12 votes
Le'Ron needs more carries!
57 votes

402 votes | Poll has closed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I think we should keep both

keep McClain at fullback,& Battle for st, & depth. Both should be cheap,and both seem happy as chiefs. I also think chris polk should be giving serious look at our 2nd pick as t.jones replacement.

GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!

by chief913-816 on Jan 29, 2012 3:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

agreed on keeping both

Idk about polk, I am voting for Pead in the 3rd/4th

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2012 3:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This ^

except I’d prefer Bush or Snelling, or maybe Vick Ballard/Pead later on. 2nd round should have some quality players we need more (Sanders, Allen, Fleener, Rambo, *possibly Burfict).

Dx3: Draft David DeCastro

by shotty on Jan 29, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope Polk is not their pick.

He has had shoulder issues in his past, which is not a good issue for a back, particualrly a large back. As far as McClain, I really want to see him brought back and get more carries. It would be nice to see him at halfback ala Tony Richardson is some short yardage and goalline situations.

by KC4ever on Jan 29, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually like Battle ... and McClain as well

now, can we please go about the business of getting DeCastro? thanks!

nice job as always, NN

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Emphasis on "special"

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 29, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

it's a SHORT paddywagon

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks for the post

I’d rec it ifc I could do so from the mobile site

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2012 3:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

just did, just for you

actually more like because I forgot to earlier, but hey … what are friends for, right?

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it worked out well putting them together, police or no police.

Between them, McClain seems the more valuable player as he can do everything Battle can do and more. (Surely therewill always be someone to fill Battle’s special team shoes.) I didn’t understand the misuse, or under use of McClain this year. At the very least he should have got all Jones’ carries.

While I appreciate Battle’s contributions, especially this year, I think we have seen his ceiling, and I’m pretty sure we can find even an UDFA to take his place. I’m not sure we need a bruiser RB as much as a bruising O-line. Acrosss the league I see some pretty wicked (no-name) RBs making the best out of momentary holes, hitting them fast. Our running plays, on the other hand, seem to take forever to develop. In short, I hope Le’ron has a logn career here withthe Chiefs. Ideally, I hope Battle loses his job to a real hungry kid with a spark..

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 4:31 PM CST reply actions  

Battle is getting the job done

Why wish for him to lose it?

He’s fine as a #3 RB and ST player

McClain is great as a FB

I say bring em both back and replace Jones with a guy who can run more like JC

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not putting a curse on him or anything.

I just think it would be great to have a fresh hungry kid with some zip.

Battle is getting the job done
Why wish for him to lose it?

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Pictures? Check. Extensive information? Check. Poll? Check.

It only took 16 hours and 8 posts but we finally have a real Fan Post today. Congratulations.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 29, 2012 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

What I think: both leave

What I want: McClain stays, Battle leaves

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 29, 2012 5:38 PM CST reply actions  

McClain wasn't a typical Pioli signing anyway

I don’t feel like he did enough to warrant his contract in Pioli’s eyes. I feel like he could be utilized better, so that is why I would like to bring him in back. I could see Pioli going with Bannon though.

Battle has been given multiple opportunities. He had one good game against the worst team in the league against an undersized defense. It was a matchup nightmare in our favor and doesn’t work against 90% of other defenses. With JC and Dexter back next year, and probably another FA to replace Thomas Jones, there is no need to keep Battle other than special teams.

Basically, both guys have reached their ceiling and are still expendable. These are the kind of guys Pioli/Belichick usually let walk.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 29, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

good thoughts

Counterpoints:

  • Both guys have very reasonable contracts
  • Neither had teams beating down their doors as FAs
  • Both are role players that have proven to put the team first
  • both are worth more to KC than other teams
  • both are versatile, which makes them more typical Pioli players
  • Romeo/ Muir seemed more willing to use McClain post-Haley… so maybe LeRon is another guy Haley held down for unknown reasons… so, with him gone, maybe Romeo can keep/use him better

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2012 8:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

valid points

Though I doubt McClain has a hard time getting a contract elsewhere. Getting Bannon on the field would be a small feather in Pioli’s cap, as well.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The story went that he wanted to go someplace where he could get more carries.

I don’t know what bill of goods Pioli sold him.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 30, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

an actual contract might have done it ;-)

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 30, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Battel had his chance and couldn't keep Jones off the field. Not good.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 29, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Jones didnt look terrible down the stretch

Had some good runs

Plus, you can’t fault the players for coach’s preference for Jones

by stagdsp on Jan 29, 2012 9:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

you on your mobile?

need that #

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

im not a fan of battle at all.

I think he is just a waste of space, im thinking the chiefs are just scared of someone else getting production out of his 4.4. speed at 240 LBs and they just hold onto him.

by the great thunderlips on Jan 29, 2012 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

runs in molasses

good strength, fair mobility but, just plain slow hitting the hole and no second gear once he gets to the second level

by tomachop on Jan 29, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

for

Someone with 4.4 speed he is awfully slow at getting back to the los. I dont get it

by chief red foreman on Jan 30, 2012 4:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Bring both back...

and sign a free agent RB. I think the one thing our backfield doesnt have is a reliable all around back. And id rather the draft pick go to other positions because i think theres alot of good FA RB at a reasonable price

by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 30, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

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