How Many Teams Will Go After Peyton Manning (If He's Available)?
by Joel Thorman on Jan 27, 2012 9:33 AM CST
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We've all been reading the stories that out right now regarding Peyton Manning and his future with the Indianapolis Colts (if you haven't, read it all here). As Kansas City Chiefs fans know, Manning's name has been brought up around here, which is fine. It's still a little surreal to think that Manning may not be in a Colts uniform next year so it's hard for me to realistically look at whether it makes sense for the Chiefs to pursue him.
That said, there are plenty of teams, including the Chiefs, who should look at Manning if he becomes available. I went through the league and found that about half the league should be making a serious run at Manning if he hits the open market. (Will he hit the open market? We'll see what Rob Lowe says.)
In the AFC East, the Patriots are the only team that shouldn't be looking at Manning. The Jets should take him over Mark Sanchez, as should the Bills and Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Dolphins have already made it known that they'll be in the Manning sweepstakes.
In the AFC North, the Steelers won't part with Ben Roethlisberger. The Ravens probably shouldn't part with a potential longterm option in Joe Flacco, either. Andy Dalton is entering year two in Cincinnati and coming off a Pro Bowl so it doesn't make sense to make the switch there. That leaves the Browns, who would surely take Manning.
In the AFC South, the Colts obviously don't count here. The Texans have Matt Schaub so they likely wouldn't be involved in Manning. The Jaguars make sense for him even with former first round pick Blaine Gabbert there. The Titans are in a unique position with a veteran (Matt Hasselbeck) and a rookie (Jake Locker) so they probably wouldn't be inclined to break the bank for Manning (but it would make them an instant contender).
In the AFC West, the Chiefs, obviously, should be taking a look at Manning. The Raiders probably should as well but they're locked up with Carson Palmer. The Broncos should be willing to take Manning even with Tim Tebow. The Chargers are all set with Philip Rivers.
In the NFC East, the Giants have their own Manning with Eli. The Eagles are committed to Michael Vick and the Cowboys probably wouldn't be interested in Manning with Tony Romo there (but never count the Cowboys out). The Redskins are one of the teams a lot of people connect to Manning.
In the NFC North, the Packers have a guy who's not bad so they wouldn't want Manning. The Bears should want him but they're committed to Jay Cutler, same with the Lions and Matthew Stafford. The Vikings have Christian Ponder but their team is good enough to win right now with the right quarterback so they should be involved in Manning, too.
In the NFC South, the Saints and Falcons have their quarterbacks in Drew Brees and Matt Ryan and the Panthers won't move away from Cam Newton. The Bucs are in an interesting spot with Josh Freeman but this is Peyton Manning we're talking about.
In the NFC West, the Cardinals and 49ers should both be involved in the race to get Manning. The Seahawks definitely should as well. The Rams are likely out of it with Sam Bradford.
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I hope he does not end with the Chiefs...
Personally I Hate him and I think he is the ultimate choker in playoffs… combine that with our history in postseason and is a recipe for disaster…
Hate is kind of a strong word?
I’d love a healthy Peyton Manning, even at 36 years old I’d love a healthy Peyton Manning. With him here to run our offense we would have a set position for the next 2-3 years and become instant contenders IF we addressed our O-line.
Add to that we could draft a QB next year and let him learn behind one of the greatest players of all time…I think Manning would be an incredible signing. But that’s only IF he’s healthy. And honestly, in this situation, I’m not sure the rewards outweigh the risk.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
by shotty on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Whehn he has crushed the chiefs playoffs dreams
I think is the right word, is not personal hate, is sports hate. This guy is not that good. If you remove the playoffs games vs the donkeys and the chiefs en 2002 and 03 he is at least mediocre in postseason
by Ulises Harada on Jan 27, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
go dig up some old game film on him and pay close attention
he’s that good
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by Buck'O on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should educate yourself
And come back and talk.
He was very good in the ’09 run to the SB.
by kcsno56 on Jan 27, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And ended in an interception.
In 06 when he was champion (thanks to Rex Grossman, the real MVP of that Super Bowl), he played horrible. The game vs the Chiefs he threw 3 picks, vs the Ravens the D won that game and vs the Pats he had a great game, but the referees were horrible. Everybody loves him and maybe he is the greatest regular season QB, but in playoffs he is not clutch, he is not a sure thing and he fell short of Indy expectations
by Ulises Harada on Jan 27, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
So who is clutch?
I agree he doesn’t have the same #‘s as in the regular season, but no QB’s do.
Yeah...
Manning sucks. Who would want a TOP 5 QB of ALL time! I can handle the people who don’t want to get their hopes up, or the ones who think he id damaged goods, but not the ones who wouldn’t want a healthy and available Manning. Who do you want to get?
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
By this logic Drew Brees is only a good regular season QB too
Peyton and Brees make their team competitive. Without either, those teams become mediocre and have next to no shot at the playoffs. We’ve seen this with the Colts this season.
Elite QB’s are rare, and then there is Peyton Manning. Healthy he would be dynamite. Especially considering the benefits of his intelligence, mentoring, and play-making ability.
Add to it we actually have a defense and he could very well bring a Super Bowl to KC. Here he doesn’t have to do all the work like he clearly did in Indy. But only if he’s healthy.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
Its STILL a team game..
Manning is arguably the best QB of all time….as Chiefs fans, I do not see how ANY OF US, could possibly NOT want to pick up a HEALTHY Peyton Manning…just winning a playoff game would be a HUGE improvement over the last 20 years….Peyton Manning brings instant RESPECT for the ENTIRE organization…..makes us instant contenders….even if you sell the farm for him, which i dont think we would have to, if he brings KC a Championship within his last 3 years, he was worth it…this team has not SNIFFED a Super Bowl in my 40 years on this planet…im tired of settling, how bout YOU?
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
He's 9-10 in the playoffs...
Has an 63.1 comp%, 88.4 passer rating, 29/19 TD/INT and 7.51 ypa.
Maybe not equal to his regular season stats, but hardly a choker.
Tom Brady, capt cool, everybody’s all american:
62.8%, 87.6, 36/19 and 6.6 ypa.
Yeah, he has won more games, but statistically Manning has been equal or better.
Brady plays outdoors
Manning plays in a confy dome that helps QB stats… The fair comparative will be with drew brees, who also plays in a Dome and it is not even close right?
by Ulises Harada on Jan 27, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Are you asking or do you know...
Best way would be to ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH! Dont post something unless you are willing to look up the facts… Not attacking you personally but just making a point. It is very easy to find the information you are talking about. It’s called Google…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Did you know Google use to ge called Backrub
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
be called
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
They could call it "Rub and Tug"
It is that good! :)
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I don't know
But going from Matty nice, bottom 10 in QB that start in the league to Peyton Fcking Manning, top 5 QB in the Leauge is a no brainer.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
9-10
is better than not winning a playoff game since 1993
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
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Agreed completely
And I in no way was saying that is even a bad stat. Hard to go much better than .500 in the playoffs, only one team wins its last game of the year…and Peyton has done that.
Peyton Manning has more playoff wins in his 13 year career than the Chiefs have in their 72 or whatever year history.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
52, man I have bad math skills.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
Who needs math when random numbers work better
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Yeah, the point is still as valid. Just add a +/-20 years to the next statement.... and you're covered!
Besides, 73% of all statistics are faked according to a survey I made up for this post.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That statement is 68.95% accurate
With a margin of error of +/- 52%
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
were chiefs fans our franchise is the ultimate choker
if its a choice between the crap we have at qb now and him
we go for manning
by mightymosdefinition on Jan 27, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
but hes got a superbowl ring
just think with the weapons we should have if nobody gets hurt next year im for him coming im tired of getting my hopes up i want a superbowl
you're certifiable.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
I don't think the Chiefs have a shot at him
I saw earlier someone posted about him wanting to play in a dome and that would make Dallas more attractive. I don’t think he could handle Decembers at Arrowhead Stadium. It’s cold as hell
For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired
by ArrowheadHunter on Jan 27, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions
dallas meh
lol
that stinkin’ jerreh
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I don't see him wanting to play Eli twice a year
Just a hunch though
1st Round - OT Jonathan Martin - Stanford, 2nd - NT Dontari Poe - Memphis
3rd - WR Marvin McNutt - Iowa, 4th - ILB Tank Carder - TCU
5th - RB Vick Ballard - Miss State, 6th - QB Austin Davis - Southern Miss
7a - TE Brian Linthicum - Michigan State, 7b - OT Markus Zusevics - Iowa
Sign one of the top FA guards (Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, Evan Mathis) Sign a FA QB. Either Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, Josh Johnson, or Dennis Dixon.
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jan 27, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
If Manning is a free agent he is only going to a team with a decent chance to win.
Here are the teams in the hunt IMO.
Washington, New York Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals, Browns and Bills.
The Bills and Cardinals just signed deals with QB’s last year, so I think it is unlikely they go after him.
The Jets are projected to already be over the cap, so I don’t know how they can shell out the $$$ to sign him.
I think Cleveland drafts RG3.
That leaves Miami, Washington and the Chiefs as the leading contenders.
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49ers?
Pretty easy to argue that Peyton Manning would put them in the Super Bowl this year. That defense combined with Manning-Gore-Davis and a coach who (apparently) knows how to win.
Also, while it wouldn’t really be a factor, it would be kind of interesting to see Jim Harbaugh and Peyton Manning in the same organization considering Manning took over for Harbaugh as QB in Indy.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Possibly, but I think they are riding Alex Smith.
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I don't know.
I think Harbaugh wanted to, but it’s tough to do that now after a pretty shoddy performance in the NFC title game. If the 49ers don’t go after Peyton, I think it has more to do with Colin Kaepernick than it does Alex Smith.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Also, expectations will be EXTREMELY high for them next year.
Can Alex Smith (or Colin Kaepernick) produce under that kind of pressure for a whole season?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
They do have a lot of cap space, so they might be in play.
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My prediction of most likely to least likely.
Miami, Wash, KC, SF
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Yeah, that's about how I have it set up.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
Mine is based on winning 1st, as I think that's how he'll make his decision
SF, NYJ, KC, Mia, Wash
I have a harder time seeing him going to Washington or Mia than SF or NYJ where his addition makes them instant SB contenders. Wash is mainly on the table b/c of the $ Snyder is probably willing to throw at him. That said, whoever signs him is going to throw him a boatload of $, if they think he is healthy enough to play…or at least has a shot to be healthy enough to play.
I agree Cap space is a concern, but there are still ways to manuever around it, especially in the short term, which is why NYJ can’t be ignored.
I'd put the Jets and Phins at about the same level when it comes to being able to win.
Put Manning on either of those teams this year and they’d have kept it close with the Patriots all the way to the end.
But yeah, the Skins are starting to slip away. The only thing there is that Daniel Snyder has shown he’s willing to blindly throw his money around.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
I agree they aren't far apart
But the New York spotlight and sharing that stage with his bro would probably be appealing.
Also, their D ranked 5th in the NFL…and their QB play was actually much worse than Miami’s. NYJ + Peyton has a better shot at a SB than Mia + Peyton…but it is probably closer than most think.
I think the cap situation for the Jets is very problematic if they want to sign Manning.
They would have to make several large $$$ moves to make it happen. They are already over the cap.
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I could see Sanchez, Tomlinson, Holmes, and Burress all out the door.
Jets draft Alshon Jeffrey.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
But "Mr. Can't Wait" is the leader of that defense
how can you get rid of him
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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I like how you think saskwatch
I think another thing to consider is why Payton would chose the Chiefs over the teams you mentioned…
1. Excellent Owner and GM. Payton knows he would be in good hands and fair dealing with Hunt and Pioli.
2. Romeo as HC and DC. Payton would know the Defense is in great hands and as far as head coach goes….Payton runs the Offense from field. Romeo would probably be happy to not interfere.
3. New OC. Payton runs the Offense period. Thats just how he rolls. A new OC that isnt heavy handed would be perfect for letting Payton just go out and win games with HIS offense.
4. The BBQ
5. We have a budding elite secondary. Berry, Lewis, Flowers Carr. I also say we add another safety with our 3rd.
6. We have budding elite linebackers. Hali, DJ, Houston. I also say we add Burfict with a trade down in the 1st. This would complete the line and give it a mean look.
7. D line is geting decent. Dorsey, Gather/Powe, T. Jax et. all
8. Our O line is spotty but will be much improved after the 2012 draft. Albert good enuff, Awsome-O 5000, Hudson, Lilja…will protect Payton as always. Definately pick up Adams with our 2nd…or trade up with our 2nd + something.
If Payton demands a new LT….give it to him…scratch Burfict insert Reiff.
9. Our receiving corps. I bet Bowe wont drop chit with Manning throwing to him…just a prediction. Baldwin perfect for stretching the field and that long bomb. Breaston an excellent slot.
10. An elite running game to offset Paytons elite throwing game. Jamal Charles and any good thumper they decide to pair with him.
11. The awsome fans and midwest culture. Right up Peytons alley and the places he comes from.
and more stuff I havent thought of off the top of my head
god speed neckbeard
Team Berry
Team Burfict or Team Te'O
...if I cant have the next Ray Lewis...ill settle for the next Junior Seau.
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 28, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, they would
But it could be done. They have high priced players not living up to their contracts that could be let go. Others could restructure.
You can also go over the cap this year by a certain % (that I do not recall) and then have to make it up after this year. In the short-term (2012) I think it is very doable. It may cripple them long-term, but I am guessing they would/will give it a shot.
And they owe Sanchez a lot of money
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
I'd knock the Jets and Phins off the list
Because i think Manning would rather go to a division where he doesn’t have to compete with Brady for the title.
But then again, money might bring him there.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
If Manning comes back it will be to WIN another Super Bowl
He is NOT going to put himself in the same division as the Pats….they are too strong and it makes it a struggle to even make the playoffs if you cant win your own division…So Miami and Jets are out….Dallas and Washington play in the same division as Eli, so , I would think he would want to avoid that division too….San Fran, I believe, like what they have going already….they just played in the NFC Championship, lost in OT….with a first year coach and a QB playing his first year in a new offense..they need WRs more than they need a QB IMO….that leaves the KC Chiefs…weak division, great running game, good WRs, top 10 defense and plenty of Cap room…..its a no brainer to me
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Me too...
but I think San Fran does have the best chance outside of KC to land Manning.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
i just dont think they would spend that kind of money
when they were already so close….they need weapons…..and i think they are pretty happy with the progress smith made this year….a couple of WRs and another year in the system and they are good to go….they may make a push for DBowe
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
If you are coming back to win a SB...
Then it doesn’t matter what division you are in.
The Jets had the #5 D in the NFL last year, and have been to the AFC title game twice with their version of Matt Cassel. I don’t think Peyton would back down from playing in the same div as the Pats…certainly if winning the SB is the goal.
SF probably has the best team, of those in question if you eliminate the QB position. They also could add a WR or two that Peyton is familiar with. Alex Smith was horrendous in the 4th Q and in OT, and 18 would make them instant real SB favorites or co-favorites (assuming health).
But hey, I hope you’re right, I just think you’re wearing red glasses when assessing the situation.
You also have to consider that he only has about 3 years left
Pats just finished the season 13-3…if you cant beat them for the division title you have to hope to be the wildcard…so youre narrowing your chances of getting to the playoffs and you only have a couple years left…
Alex Smith, made HUGE strides this year. He has had a new OC every year he has played and like 4-5 different head coaches…this will be the first time he has had some continuity…..he just took his team to the NFC Championship, he is much younger than peyton, they also have another young QB in waiting….Peyton is gonna command some big money..I believe, that peyton will be looking for an EASY way to get into the playoffs…this division is very weak right now and would be easy to win next year..Chargers are down, raiders are in disarray, and Denver has Tebow….10-11 wins wins it…once your in who knows what could happen…Giants are proving that now, Cards proved it a few years ago….I believe, the only thing the Chiefs need to stablize the team is a proven QB to LEAD the team…
Maybe i have on some “slightly” rose colored glasses, but, if he wants the best chance to get into the playoffs, the Chiefs make the most sense…..i just dont think the 49ers would push that hard to get him….
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
i also dont think Rex Ryan and Manning
would mesh too well…and that NY media is a bitch, and there is a HUGE rivalry with the Giants
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
I don't see the Bills as players.
Small market team who just gave a shit-load of money to Fitzpatrick. And I don’t see Manning wanting to play there either.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
That's an interesting (and not impossible) scenario.
A lot of media pressure on Romo in Dallas, and there’s always pressure on Jerry Jones to win…
Could Romo succeed in a low-pressure town like KC?
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
I believe so
He would be a clear upgrade over Cassel and Orton…the Cowboys played their best football this year when Demarco Murray was running the ball well and Romo would have a good running game here to help him out. We would be an instant favorite to win the division.
As would I.
And I really don’t care for Romo.
“It’s amazing how a new uniform can change your perceptions of a guy.”
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Yeah, I think we'd definitely become instant favorites.
And while Romo would cost a good bit, I don’t think he’ll run as high as Manning. So we should still be in play for some other Free Agents.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I think Romo
Statted out as a top 5 QB this year.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Craig just died and went to heaven.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You want to talk about CHOKING? F – Romo
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If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets -- phew!
no way
Eli plays in the same division….
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
The only way he wants to butt heads with Eli
is in the Super Bowl….that would be EPIC
Just another plus for the Chiefs…Peyton will stay in the AFC
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
If he head doesn't fall off from a strong breeze
I would love to have him.
The Chiefs should be interested, but will not.
Even though acquiring Manning would give the Chiefs at least a two year window to make a run at the Super Bowl while preparing the quarterback of the future and as the defense peaks with the current roster the Chiefs will stick with Cassel. The Chiefs are already spending a lot of money at the quarterback position in Cassel and will not admit they made a big mistake. I am sure they think if they ignore the mistake no one will notice. So, it is another season of slim pickin’s with Cassel at the helm.
"The Hammer"
If we signed Manning
I think Clark personally put Cassles things on the curb
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Cassel's contract was front-loaded.
And he wasn’t a big mistake (note past tense).
I don’t see where he’s going to block them going after other QBs.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
There is no reason it should
Unless the GM thinks it does.
Agreed.
And I think that remains to be seen.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
I agree with your agreement
And that we don’t know yet…but will find out this offseason.
Agreed
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I concur.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
If Someone takes him That's not indy
It’s prob Miami . Meh
by chiefsman! on Jan 27, 2012 10:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Everyone is forgetting one important point...."Cap Space"
We have plenty of it….and we can re-sign other players even if we payed Manning the 28mil. that Indy is supposed to give him.
And those criticizing Manning. He’s better at 36 than all of the current Chiefs QB’s combined (and all of them since 1993). The only other QB’s I would get would be Luck or RGIII and that isn’t going to happen.
So looking at Cap Space, this leaves us and possibly 2-3 other teams in need of QB.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
For Manning
Team and Players will rework deals to free up cap space. Hell both Oakland and Dallas were supposed to be over by $15mil last year and they got under. You can play with the numbers quite a bit if players let you.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
Not by $28mil they can't. That's a huge number and would require someone eating a lot of $$$ or numerous players doing it.
Dallas and Oakland weren’t even close to re-working that kind of cash.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
Having said that....the Jets would be closest in that regard. They have cap space but could make the 28mil. if needed.
ROOT with your heart.
ANALYZE with your head.
They wont have to pay the $28mil
if he is cut. He would have to sign a new deal…
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
If Manning comes to KC
I think Bowe and Carr would take a “hometown discount” as Suggs would say
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
i would be behind it, but would clark or scott?
I personally love the guy, just a great attitude and the best part is that he makes everyone around him that much better. I think for this to happen though it would require to be let go which obviously probably will not happen. I saw this as a repeat of Joe montana comin to the chiefs back in ’93 it would give the team an instant boost also peyton would help groom stanzi as well as others. there are so many positives here but sadly I really do not believe it will happen.
I don't see the Chiefs paying what he's going to be asking
I’m sure they’ll look into it, but it’s not gonna happen. I see New York or Miami going after him pretty hard.
1st Round - OT Jonathan Martin - Stanford, 2nd - NT Dontari Poe - Memphis
3rd - WR Marvin McNutt - Iowa, 4th - ILB Tank Carder - TCU
5th - RB Vick Ballard - Miss State, 6th - QB Austin Davis - Southern Miss
7a - TE Brian Linthicum - Michigan State, 7b - OT Markus Zusevics - Iowa
Sign one of the top FA guards (Carl Nicks, Ben Grubbs, Evan Mathis) Sign a FA QB. Either Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, Josh Johnson, or Dennis Dixon.
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Jan 27, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions
Manning is not going to want to go to the same division
as Brady and the Pats…He only has a few years left to win another Super Bowl, it will be a struggle to win that division…especially with Miami…and there is a HUGE rivalry with the Jets and Giants, who Eli plays for, and i dont think Manning would mesh well with Rex Ryan…the AFC west is a division ripe for taking over and winning and making it to the playoffs….Chiefs have a run game, a top 10 defense, and better than average WRs…and plenty of money to toss around….IF they are willing to toss it around….personally, if he is available and healthy, they are doing ALL OF US FANS an injustice if they do not make a VERY BIG push for him……its been too long
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
It's fun to dream
But Pioli is married to Cassel. He’s our QB :( forever, and ever.
Many of the teams that "should pursue" him are very bad, though.
Realistically, how many of the teams that should pursue Manning are good enough for him to be interested? About a handful, it seems.
I know I’m being a huge homer, but to me the Chiefs seem like the best destination if I’m Peyton Manning – great defense, great running game, veteran coach, and a new offensive system incoming anyway. I wish I could have said good atmosphere, but I guess that’s not really the general consensus at the moment.
The atmosphere can be back in a second
The Chiefs have given us awful QBs for the last 15 years. Also, a string of awful seasons (minus the fluke playoffs last year). This city NEEDS something to be excited for again.
Can you imagine
How good our defense would be if they can get some time to rest. Stopping the other team, only to have our offense go three and out just puts them on the field way too much.
by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Jan 27, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
I think that’s where Orton helped out the most. Even though he sucked in the red zone…he still kept our D off the field
exactly
The ability to sustain drives to let our defense rest, and just limit the other offense time of possession is key. I also think Manning would make them fear our passing game to let J. Charles do some great runs!
by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Jan 27, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
getting him probably would kill two birds with one stone by filling the QB and OC needs but I do remember watching Manning constantly audible every time he play and that left me wondering…do we have the O line to be able to do that? Will KC get a OC to help Manning with planning plays, giving Manning the options, etc..?
Most important of all, will Manning be able to come here and be the same QB he was in Indy? Remember he only had one OC for the most of his career…
All I know is if Manning comes here, I won’t recognize the offense. (Could be a good thing though.)
Anyone notice we haven't picked an OC yet? Hmmm, maybe they're waiting to decide who the next QB "chooses" as the OC ;)
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by THE_TRUTH on Jan 27, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Life is like a hurricane.....here in........K. C.....
Cassel…..Orton…..Paaaaalko,
Who’s the worst…..of those 3..
If you don’t say Paaaaalko,
Then what the hell do yoooooou know,
ClarkTales..awooooooooo!
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-Dwight Schrute
I agree, but...
If I am not mistaken, we are waaaay below the cap and isn’t this the year that all teams will be ‘required’ to spend to within 10% of the cap? Please correct if I don’t have my facts straight. So technically, if we went by what we were spending before, we would have to spend a ton more money therefore Manning would be almost ‘free’.
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by ARROWHEADSHANE on Jan 27, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
you don't have your acts straight
Don’t have to meet that spending requirement until 2013
make that facts
I haven’t seen your act. ;-)
We would be in the top 2!
Look at the roster people, we have the weapons, the coach, and the division that would entice Manning. The other team is the 49ers. He isn’t going play in the NFC east against his brother or AFC south against his former team. He isn’t going to play for the Dolphins when they are in the same division as Tom Brady and the Jets. The Jets can’t afford him and he isn’t going to want to go to NY anyway. The Seahawks would not be enticing enough for him, Cards could be. And all of you saying we won’t spend the money are irrational. We can pay Bowe, Carr, and Manning and stay under spending from last year with a little manuvering.
while it can be done
especially, with Charles only getting 3.25 million this year, flowers is something like 7 million, Matty Nice is at 5 million, and Hali’s was top loaded too.
But, with black marks on the Org, If I’m manning and I’m choosing Seattle over KC, I’m going to Seattle.
The surprise might be, that Minisota shows interest.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
What?
Minnesota? Besides Harvin, their WR core is decimated. They are in the same division as the Packers and Lions, no way. As for Seattle, their offensive line is god awful despite all the resources they put in it. And they have a powerhouse, the 49ers, in their division. Read this: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/17/2712193/dispelling-myths#storyjump
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I don't consider 49's a reason
for Manning not to go to Seattle, as far as the vikings, they have a draft coming up, and there are free agent wr’s, they have a good running back.
You say Manning would shy away from playing the packers, I say he would not.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
No way man
Adrian Peterson isn’t going to be healthy until October and division layouts are important. He wants to win, and the best way to do that is be on a good team with a weak division. The only 5 teams that have a REAL shot at Manning are the Chiefs, 49ers, Seahawks, Cardinals, and Dolphins. Out of all those teams the Chiefs have the best weapons and offensive line, at least at pass protection. The Cards, Dolphins, and 49ers only have one saving grace (Fitzgerald, Marshall, Davis, Rice) and nothing else around them.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Please get him here
Especially if we don’t have to trade for him. We have absolutely NOTHING to lose. A healthy Peyton on a healthy Chiefs squad? Holy Tebow, that is a dandy of a vision
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
It's actually too good...
I’ve really been trying to not focus on it, as I don’t want to get my hopes up. That said, i think it’s more and more likely every day he’s going to get cut, meaning the Chiefs will have an equal shot as every other team to go get him…
I do believe he will be cut
But you have to wonder how healthy he is if Indy does cut him. Either way, if he is released, and he isn’t at least brought in for a visit/health check, I might have to start suckling at the “fire Pioli” tit with the rest of the sheep.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is obvious the Colts are going to let him walk.
In that case the Chiefs would have just as good a chance as anyone else. It has little chance of happening as Pioli is more concerned with not appearing to have made a mistake in Matt Cassel than actually winning some games and potentially the Super Bowl.
"The Hammer"
Still spewing the same ole garbage, huh?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So out of purely morbid curiosity, why do you believe that about Pioli?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Its obvious Orton outplayed Cassel with just two weeks prep.
The Chiefs are not even going to attempt to retain Orton even though he is obviously the better of the two. That tells me Pioli is committed to Cassel no matter what.
"The Hammer"
How do you know that?
Was it the fact that Pioli said they’d try to re-sign Orton?
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Crennel said they would put Orton on the list and
evaluate who they wanted to keep. Orton is talking like he is gone. Between the two positions it is obvious it is not a priority with either side. If there was a huge interest in Orton, they would have already been talking and letting everybody know the door was open for Orton to compete with Cassel. Neither side is doing that. Actions speak louder than word. The quarterback situation this year was abysmal. There is little hope for much better for the coming season. You don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
"The Hammer"
Did you ever think
that the reason Orton isn’t really committing to the team is because he was told he could come in and compete, and wasn’t just outright handed a starting gig? If that is what Orton and his agent think he can get, then he probably would “talk like he’s gone”, right?
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
They have pretty much said just that
However they aren’t willing to just say okay Kyle you played 3 games now you can take over Matt’s spot.
He might change his mind before it’s over but you can bet if he can just walk into a starting spot… unless it’s crappy money or possibly a team he REALLY doesn’t want to play for that’s what he’s going to do. that’s what ANY player would do.
Come on, tark. You are ruining the fun
I really want to see how many painfully ridiculous yet hilarious certainties and absolutes I can get in one thread. Lets always be trying to start another legendary Skitzo thread (that I missed the first time around)
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 27, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My bad.
I’ll shut up now.
For a minute.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
that's a long time ...
… for you
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
see what I mean?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Regarding Miami
It’s odd that they’ve ‘made it known’ that they would like to acquire Manning. Considering that he’s under contract with the Colts, isn’t that tampering?
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yes, it is
And my guess is there could be some tampering charges brought up, especially if he goes there.
But you haven’t heard anyone official say it, as far as I know.
The Lions got in trouble b/c there were some actual quotes from members of the staff that were out there.
No, because it's a hypothetical.
Peyton isn’t slated to become a Free Agent. He’s under long-term contract, so if he were to become a Free Agent, it would be at the direction of the Colts.
The Dolphins saying they would be interested doesn’t matter because Peyton doesn’t have the option to leave unless he is terminated.
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by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
would cause a problem in Manning was traded
unlikely that it is.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
But they're allowed to express interest in a trade.
i.e. Kyle Orton situation.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Except there can be no trades right now.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
But it doesn't matter.
No matter what they say, the Colts control Manning’s rights. If it was a situation where they didn’t control it, then that would be tampering.
You can’t talk to or release statements about players who are slated to hit Free Agency. Manning doesn’t fall under that category, so the Dolphins are fine to say they would be interested IF the Colts decided to release him.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
This article disagrees with you
Ross isn’t allowed to publicly comment on Manning, since he’s under contract with the Colts – that would be tampering and could cost the Dolphins a draft pick – but high-ranking team sources said Saturday that Ross badly wants a franchise quarterback, and Manning is at the top of his wish list.
The article is correct about public comments.
However, when it comes to “making it known” that you want a player, that usually only applies to using back door channels to influence a player slated to hit Free Agency (like what the Lions did with Jarrad Page).
So, in this case, they can “make it known” that they’re interested in Manning, because as of now, it isn’t even an option. It’s a hypothetical situation that involves the Colts forfeiting their rights to a player. They can’t influence Manning to make a decision, because it isn’t his to make.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure that you're wrong, but if you google Dolphins tampering Manning
There are several articles saying the same thing as this one.
Dolphins actually haven't said anything.
That would be tampering, since Manning is currently under contract with another team.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Right, but they've "made it known" that they're interested.
You can never make official statements, but you can address hypothetical situations.
And the tampering generally only applies to players who are about to enter into Free Agency.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
It's really starting to take on the same appeal as "Farve-watch".
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I almost would have taken Farve
Over the mess we called a season last year.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
thats just it it was built around him not the backup but manning . Dont you think the fact that NO OTHER QB ever gets ANY snaps played apart in no one being able to step in and play in his absence
It took over 10 weeks for the team and Qbs to adjust
by Willie Beamon on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
It's hard to adjust from:
A QB that throws the ball perfectly to one that throws wounded ducks 5 feet behind you. I agree
These are NFL players
Systems are overstated. If a QB is good enough, they would’ve done fine in the system.
You are talking about Orlovsky and Painter. Frankly, they are the problem, not the system or their lack of snaps.
I have read though that the system in Indy is difficult for receivers to adjust to
their routs & timing have to be just about perfect because Peyton is throwing the ball before you’ve made your cut & turned around. A lot (probably a majority) of his INTs are due to receivers not running the rout correctly. Probably no matter where he goes the offense won’t look too good over the first half of the season. Whoever does end up signing him would probably be wise to bring Wayne, Clark & maybe even Saturday along as well, just to help with the transition.
As for KC, I do think Pioli will go after him if healthy, but I also have a feeling that he won’t move quickly or aggressively enough & Manning will end up elsewhere. I like Pioli, but I do think he’s too risk averse.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Which would explain why they got so little out of WR's such as Garcon and Collie?
Umm, no. Those guys did great, even as a young/rookie players. They did great b/c 18 was throwing to them.
I have almost no concerns about the offense if we get him. If we want to hire an OC that runs his offense, I’m fine with that, if we want to run something familiar to the OC we bring in (Daboll for instance) I would have little doubt that Manning couldn’t adjust.
Personally…I’d have the OC adjust to Manning, but I think it could work either way.
Our supporting talent on Offense (assuming we bring back Bowe and that we add 2 OL via the draft/FA) is as good as any he’s going to elsewhere in FA.
Pioli has to realize that if he is interested in a player like Manning, he will have to be aggressive. I know that hasn’t been his style, but the circumstances would dictate it.
No they didnt sorry they did great because they were never the focus he had Wayne and Clark who had been together along with that line for 5+ years in that system already
Its much easier to bring a new player up to speed when others have been in the system for 6+ years already
So you have a veteran OLine ,QB,TE ,all pro receiver who have been together for 5+ years and you still have Marvin Harrison who is about to retire so you have a rookie Garcon sitting behind those guys and learning and then he steps in when Harrison leaves and you then bring in Collie . Nevermind that they also play all there home games in a dome .
With us instead of bring one or two guys up to speed hes bringing 14/15 guys up to speed on a team who plays outdoors the majority of the time.
I like Peyton and hes one of the greatest to ever play in my book but Im also not blind to the fact that even before he got hurt the Colts had only beat one good team that season after the SB and that was the team they historically owned in the Texans
The Colts feasted on some weak teams but they were not that good of a team before Manning got hurt and then they lost to Sanchez in the wildcard now manning will be two years older than he was in that lost to the jets and still has not practiced in over a year .
This is nowhere near the slamdunk you are claiming it to be .
by Willie Beamon on Jan 27, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
This is nowhere near the slamdunk you are claiming it to be .
Nothing is a slamdunk in the NFL. But, it beats the fade away jumper at half court, which is what a Cassel or even Orton lead team would look like. Manning gives us the best shot at the Lombardi Trophy, period.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would say Orton is more of a last second 3 with a decent look at the basket
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I'll give you last second 3 with Orton...
but we would have a hand in our face and possibly a neck beard.
Yeah...
Actually It is a slam-dunk that with (a healthy) Peyton Manning, our offense would be better than with Orton or Cassel.
To the degree it would be better, and how quickly it would be elite can be discussed, but Peyton would dramatically improve this team and it’s chances at a SB.
If your point was that the O is so complicated, then it wouldn’t matter if you are a backup or a starter, you should have to have years of snaps and practices to be successful. When garcon and Collie are on the field, they are running mostly the same routes as Wayne.
You are overrating the system (which was on display this year) and underrating the player.
wondering if perhaps a better question is not WHO goes after Manning, but HOW FAR teams weill go to get him?
what’s the “limit” on this? what’s the “value vs price tag” on a post-surgery Manning? and of course the question of “does Manning retire?”
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Teams will have their own limits...
considering Manning would be very CAP unfriendly with a 2 or 3 year deal. That alone takes out the Texans, Jets, and Ravens. Manning will only retire if his nerves do not regenerate. If they regenerate he will be as good as new. Probably won’t know that until April though.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
3 yr/$33 million
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Yes
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
See my post below
He won’t sign for $11m per season anyway…that’s like an insult to him.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
If he can still play, he's worth $25m per year, no question
take the face value of every unsold seat & add those up…plus the face value of 1-2 home playoff games per year, plus all the extra merchandise sales that go along with the buzz, and that easily exceeds his contract value…many times over probably. It would push us toward the cap this year & probably next, but after that there will be a new TV deal in place which will probably nearly double the salary cap…it would work perfectly from a financial point of view.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I think the injury brings his value down
Favre got 2 years $25 million and is a HOFer and was coming off a shoulder injury, that’s why I think Manning will be somewhere around $11 million per
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Ummm...
Favre’s last season, with incentives he could’ve made up to $28 mil.
He was also much older. Sure there is an injury risk with 18, but I think $20 mil per year is the starting point in negotiations and with multiple bidders (assuming they think he can play) he’s looking at a hefty salary.
I'd be okay with this. And load it with incentives. Like getting us to the playoffs...
and for every game won in the playoffs.
Manning will get paid if he is able to brings it.
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I agree...
But if he comes back, he’s probably going to want a 3 or 4 year deal, not a one year contract.
And that’s probably what we would want as well anyway.
I think it will take 3 years, $66 mil to have a decent shot at it, and I’m not sure that would be enough…depends on who is bidding. But I love the concept of incentives, and as little as possible guaranteed…just don’t know if that will do it.
I'm thinking 2 years, 34 million
With a 16 million signing bonus and a 6 million base in 2012. That is the same signing bonus Tom Brady got with his last contract.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Joel, you need to re-state the question
Which teams would NOT go after Manning (or at least look into him)? That list will be a lot shorter.
Regardless what anyone feels about Mannings, the fact is that he studies other teams and figures them out – and that’s the key. Manning may have health concerns but unlike other QBs who study hard too, Maning figures out the defense and knows his team offensively. The argument could be made that even a weak Manning could find the weak spots in a defense and locate his other options besides his check down receiver while taking less sacks than someone like, say, Cassel?
That said, the thought of Peyton wouldn’t make me think imminent Super Bowl nor would I feel content knowing he’s on his way out the door no matter where he signs. But it would immediately make me think ‘upgrade’ to Cassel or Orton, even if just short term.
I don't really want to
Spend the picks to trade up for RGIII but I’d much rather do that then get Manning. We’ve done the Elite QB past his prime thing before and Montana was less of a risk (injury wise).
What wrapons did Montana have here
Look at the toys Manning would have: two freaks on the outside in Baldwin and Bowe, a good slot WR in Breaston, and Dallas Clark Jr. In Moeaki. Not to mention one of the biggest home run threats at RB. No other team that has a real shot at Manning can match that.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
San Francisco
they could also bring Reggie Wayne along with him. Vernon Davis & Frank Gore aren’t exactly slouches compared to Moeaki & Charles
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yup
SF, as I said above, would be the favorite, if they want him, imo.
And that team (if he’s healthy) would be instant SB favs or co-favs.
I agree...
the 49ers are the greatest competition to Manning. But, Manning has 4 inches of nerves that need to regenerate at the start of December when his neck fusion took. So, that means Manning will not know if he can play until April because it takes 1 month for every inch of nerve regeneration. San Francisco will have Alex Smith as a free agent, they may not want to risk the situation of losing Smith to another team and Manning not able to play. It could be a good situation for us.
by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I hope you're right...
But I don’t think the ‘risk’ of losing Alex Smith is great whatsoever. He is more valuable to them then to any other team. I don’t think they will have much if any competition for him as a starting NFL QB. His market would be similar to Orton’s.
Agreed...
but we are talking about almost a whole month of free agency. I could easily see Seattle or Arizona trying to sign Smith and putting pressure on the 49ers. If the 49ers didn’t upgrade at QB it could be a game changer in the NFC west. And don’t think for a second Smith’s agent wouldn’t put that pressure on them since Alex wants to stay in San Fran and will try to force their hand.
His agent could try...
But hell, it may be the best thing for the Niners if Smith goes to AZ or Sea, and I don’t think either of those teams (especially AZ) would pay starting QB money for Smith.
You're right about the Cards...
but if the skins lose out to Flynn to Miami then they are going to get desperate and will pay starting QB money. Just saying, San Fran will have to do a balancing act while the Chiefs can sit pretty. Also, Manning might want to stay in the AFC. The road to the Super Bowl looks much more difficult in the top heavy NFC, not to mention the second tier teams like the Eagles, Cowboys, and Lions where everything could come together for them next year.
I dont understand why all of you think
that a team(49ers) that just went to the NFC Championship with a first yr HC and a QB in his first year with a new offense….thinks they need to change or upgrade the QB position….is Manning better than Smith yes, but i dont think they want a new QB…they want more weapons like WRs, maybe a speedy RB to spell gore…they made it to the NFC Champion ship and lost in OT with two recieving threats..Davis, a TE….and Gore…Crabtree is not living up to his draft position..
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
How many
Neck injuries did Montana have? How many SBs had Montana won? How many teams have been built around again quarterbacks?
Not to mention
Bowe hasn’t resigned yet…do I think he will? Yes but the deal aint done till it’s signed.
The team is already built
it just needs a QB…so it wasnt built around him….If you sign him, he makes you instant Super Bowl contenders for the next 2-3 years and gives you time to find a QB in the meantime to take over later
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Does he?
I don’t know about you but I am neither a doctor nor a fortune teller. I have no idea how he will play when/if he comes back
well i dont know about you
but i DO know that this will be a multi-million dollar deal…if he is not medically cleared to play, NO TEAM will take him….
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Maybe the Manning publicity lets us quietly sign Orton
I am more on the Orton boat then Manning with his injury questions. Orton beat GB with us, it’s less of a unknown risk for us with him. Even if we don’t get Orton or Manning, that’s two less teams drafting a QB then maybe we get RG III. We are all on the same page. Cassel needs to be a backup. I would be fine with Orton, Manning or RG III just not Cassel.
by loyal Chief fan on Jan 27, 2012 11:44 AM CST reply actions
Even though I like Orton over Cassel
Don’t give too much credit for that Green Bay win. Don’t forget he didn’t even throw a touchdown. That was a defensive win. Manning would be a no-brainer upgrade over Orton.
by Brad-KC on Jan 27, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you watch the game?
The Chiefs dominated the time of possession by marching up and down the field. Yes, they didn’t do the job in the red zone, but they did keep the ball out of Aaron Rodgers’ hands, and kept the defense fresh.
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And we ended up with 19 points
The D won that game. i agree TOP was big, but you can’t study that game and try and claim Orton won it. The D led us to that win.
Orton did play well (against the #31 pass D) but the key to beating the Pack was not giving up 30…the team averaged 35 ppg.
I didn't say Orton won it.
I would never say any one player won the game. He was, however, a big part of the reason why the Chiefs won.
The offense, including Orton, had a lot to do with holding the Packers to only 14 points.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Agreed, they played a part
The D played a much bigger part.
Time of posession is great and all
It certainly helps out your D but it’s pretty useless if you don’t score. If the Packers hadn’t been a little off we’d most likely still have lost that game.
It was a gameplan win . We took a gameplan most thought could beat the packers and executed it on both sides of the ball to perfection.
by Willie Beamon on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
McClain did drop a TD catch
but I get your point
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Be easier to make a list of teams who shouldn't be interested.
New England, New Orleans, and Green Bay are the only teams the guy wouldn’t be an a decent upgrade for.
Silly, he's not talking about cap space... just who he'd be an improvement for.
Though he should probably add New York Giants to that list too.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I think the Eagles this year and Washington every year
have proven you can sign whoever you want as long as you know how work the cap. If cap space is such an issue, why are the Jets being thrown around as a likely destination?
by CapsLockKey on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone who is debating whether to go after a healthy Manning
Needs to take a drug test. SIGN HIM!!
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Old QBs never die...
They just go to Arizona.
I thought they came to KC
Steve DeBerg
Dave Krieg
Joe Montana
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Didn't know that one
that’s a bit before my time
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
3 realistic possibilities
IF:
Manning is healthy, the Colts pay him his 26 mil
Manning isn’t 100%, Colts cut him, a team pay for an non-100% QB
Manning’s neck is hanging on by a nerve…he retires
Point is, probably keeping Matt “Freeking” Cassel as our QB
HEY PITCHFORK AND TORCH CROWD
You guys realize that Manning, a current employee of the Colts organization, has gone public in saying the Colts organization is toxic and people are “walking on eggshells” around there, right? He’d fit RIGHT IN with the Chiefs.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Okay, so those are the teams interested, but that isn't important....
looking for a QB/ should look hard at Manning:
Jets
Bills
Dolphins
Browns
Jags
Titans
Chiefs
Broncos
Raiders
Redskins
Bears
Bucs
Cardinals
49ers
Seahawks
Rams
What is important, I would think, is going to a good situation, and going to a contender. It isnt about a list of qb needy teams, but where would Manning like to play (hint: most places he wants to play probably already have a HOF or QBOTF playing there).
So of those teams on the list, where would Manning like to go.? I’m assuming he will be looking for a pretty good defense (something missing in Indy), good receivers, and a decent run game….
I think the top two choices have to be the 49ers and Jets. Of course, of the two, the Jets have the more difficult road to the playoffs….but IMO, the 49ers have the more difficult path to a SB. Still, they won a lot with Alex Smith!
Next on the list, I’d have to think both the Chiefs, Broncos are on that second tier (after Jets and 49ers).
Much of the rest makes up the third and fourth tier. I can understand all of the NFC West wanting him, but the 49ers playing to their potential appears ready to dominate that weak division again. I don’t think Peyton will want to risk going to one of the other three teams.
The Vikes could be really good with him, as could the Bears…but the bears oline stinks and both teams play in the same division as Rodgers and the Packers….and the up and coming Lions.
I really think there are only four choices—unless something crazy like a Matt Shaub trade happens—49ers, Jets, Chiefs and Broncos.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
The Broncos?
No way, Tebow is untouchable right now (I can’t believe I just wrote that). I think the Texans could be a dark horse, they would have to do some serious maneuvering though. But, would Manning want to play a division rival of the Colts? That didn’t really go over well for Favre, from a legacy standpoint, playing for the Vikings. If they cut him I don’t think Manning will be filled with rage and a want for revenge considering the Colts are rebuilding and the Packers were ready to win under Favre.
I never said Schaub wasn’t, its just going to take some serious maneuvering like the Jets. The Texans could be a dark horse, but they have 3 big contracts due with Foster, Myers, and Williams. Maybe they tag and trade Williams, let Myers walk, and delay paying Foster by tendering him, but they would still be in salary cap hell as they were last year. They have 7 players that are taking up over 40% of the CAP. But, my main point against the Texans is Manning wanting to keep an untarnished legacy with Colts nation.
My main point is they have a very good QB
You don’t need to give me arguments as to why it won’t work there, I agree.
The Broncos could/should look to 18 way before the Texans should.
Broncos should draft a QB.
Again, the thing everyone overlooks, is that Peyton Manning may never take another snap in the NFL.
If the Colts release him, it will still be too early to tell if he can even practice let alone play the game.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
not sure that is a strong point...
49ers made it to the NFC Championship with Smith. Chiefs won the AFC West in ’10 with Cassel (and lost by a game without Cassel for part of the season, and most injured most of the season in ’11). The Broncos won the AFC West this year with Tebow….
So it isn’t like these teams are completely screwed if they signed Manning and he never played. They’d just be ‘stuck’ with the same qbs that managed to play on playoff teams.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Jan 29, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
The broncos won (or were handed, depending on how you look at it) the AFC West
They have a ‘decent’ running game and a good group of young, developing receivers….and yeah, their defense wasn’t bad either. Sure they have weaknesses, but they’re one of the better QB needy teams out there, going off of 2011.
Champ Bailey isn’t getting any younger, either. I don’t think Elway cares what the populous wants..he wants to win. And Tebow will be one the field one way or another.
That said, I still think the Jets, 49ers and Chiefs are the three best all-around fits for both sides. All things being equal, however, the Jets might get the nod…lfor family reasons. I’m sure Archie would love for both boys to play 8 home games/yr in the same city. And, I think they’d be intrigued by the ability to face each other in a SB. Okay, so we all would be a bit…
It’s just that the Jets would have a harder path to the playoffs. So Chiefs, right? Good running game? Check. Good receiving corps? Check. Good defense? Check. AFC? Check.
"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "
by chief Stevie_k on Jan 28, 2012 5:26 AM CST up reply actions
If you wanna look at Manning
there are plenty of pictures available.
The dude may never take another NFL snap with any team anywhere at anytime.
Not worth a look until he proves otherwise, and as of yet, he has not done that.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Arizona
That is all.
Kansas City Chiefs; Profitable Mediocrity since 1969.
If the Chiefs hire Josh McDaniels, I will cancel my season tickets -- phew!
Manning is risky.
There is a doubt in my mind that he will be the same Manning we are used to. If we take a chance id rather find some way to get RG3. i doubt 12 teams show interest in manning to be honest.
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