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Decastro Mania and Scott Pioli

A quick look at any of the draft threads will make it readily apparent who is the clear fan favorite is this year. Decastro mania is rampant. David Decastro is a great prospect one of the best interior lineman to come out in recent years, he seems to be as close to a sure thing as it gets. In the wake of Decastro mania though, many are overlooking another prospect who has many of the same credentials. The fact is there are two elite interior O-lineman in this years draft, two prospects who are head and shoulders above the rest. The fact is there isn't as big of a gap between these two as many like to imply.

Let look at a scouting report for each prospect:

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Prospect 1: (6'5" 213lbs) One of the most dominant OG prospect we’ve ever had the pleasure of scouting…plays with that nasty mentality that you just have to love in an offensive line prospect…looks to finish his blocks on every play…very athletic and is the lead blocker on almost every outside run or screen pass Stanford ran this year…locates well on the move and looks to just destroy his target once he locates them…very strong at the point of attack…anchors well and does not give up any ground…stays balanced with good footwork and does not give over extended…does a good job passing off rushers to his OC and OT…head on a constant swivel when blocking in space always looking for next player to hit…unreal awareness for sensing the delay blitz and picking it up.

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Prospect 2: (6'4" 315 lbs) Elite size and bulk for a center – Fantastic blocker when on the move, finds his targets quickly – Moves exceptionally well for his size – Very effective in combo blocks – Resets well after initial punch – Excels on the second level, picking off linebackers – Runs the screen play very well.

Prospect 1 is David Decastro, Prospect 2 is Peter Konz. Many have, wrongly, pigeonholed Konz as strictly a center. Konz played center at Wisconsin but is just as good of a guard prospect as he is at center.

Star-divide

Now let's look at Scott Pioli and his draft tendencies. Two things stand out when we think about Scott Pioli and the draft: first is that draft picks are highly valued and trading back for extra picks is always stressed, second versatility is key.

First lets look at versatility. It's no secret that Pioli likes versatile players. When it comes to interior linemen this same trend holds true. The first O-lineman drafted during the Pioli era was a guard from Illinois by the name of Jon Asamoah. Asamoah was a guard in college but was widely reported to be capable of playing center in the league as well. In his first year he got practice reps at center in addition to his time at guard. The second interior lineman of the Pioli era was Rodney Hudson a guard out of Florida State, touted as being a great center prospect in addition to guard. Next there is Mike Pouncey the center from Florida Pioli attempted to trade up for. Pouncey was often described as better guard prospect than center. All three of these players have one thing in common, the ability to play both center and guard. This trait seems to be something Pioli values.

Next lets look at Pioli and preference for trading back and stockpiling picks, this has been Pioli's MO since the patriot years. This year the 11th or 12th pick will be prime realestate for trades. there will likely be a top rated RB and a couple of top rated pass rushers on the board that teams covet. Pioli would likely be able to work a trade that had the Chiefs drop a few spots, pick up an extra 2nd this year or even better a first next year, and be in prime position for Konz. This strategy would allow the Chiefs to fill their remaining holes this year and have an extra first next year for ammunition to trade up for a QB of their choosing. That QB would be walking into a ideal situation with a strong supporting cast giving them the best odds for success.

To me Konz seems to be the more logical Pioli pick. Honestly, I would be ecstatic with either Decastro or Konz. Both would solidify the Chiefs entire line for years. Both bring the size, agility, intelligence, and nastiness the Chiefs so desperately need. This post is mainly to raise awareness that it's hardly Decastro or bust, in fact, a trade back and Konz may be better for the Chiefs in the long run.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Pretty sure the first OL Pioli drafted was Colin Brown

Overall a good analysis, nice job

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 10:49 PM CST reply actions  

Good post

Thoughts about Reiff or Martin? I prefer DeCastro simply because hes a no risk play, you know the guy is going to be rock solid

by tomachop on Jan 26, 2012 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Reiff won't fall...

and Martin is over rated. In fact I think Martin could easily bust.

by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

and there is always Mike Adams OT Ohio State

to fall back too

Justin Case

Its WAR for the Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 27, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

nice post, well done ... from the driver of The DeCastro Train

one note on the versatility thing: Asamoah, though he may have practiced at Center, has never taken a regular game snap at that position, and has been RG exclusively this year

Hudson has played a few snaps at G but is most assuredly thought of as our Center of the Future (which can’t come soon enough)

I like Konz, I really do … and you could be right and Pioli trades down and takes him … but man, I’d much prefer DeCastro, and think of this: if Pioli does trade down and Konz is gone at our pick … well, that means we screwed the pooch on building ourselves the best OLine Interrior in the league (ok, next to the Saints) and that would NOT make me happy to see

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

Cordy Glenn will still be there

So were not lost without hope :)

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

really? you seem underwhelmed ...

he’s all the rage on Arrowheadlines this morning

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

There's nothing special there

He had a good week but he got his good week riding horrible technique which just won’t get you far in the NFL.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 27, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

options, man ... we need options!

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I like(before this week too) Mitchell Schwartz alot for RT

Even with a great Pro Bowl week he’s probably a 4th or 5th round guy. I would say for me he’s probably on par with Zebrie Sanders(if not a bit better) and way better value.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 27, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Kevin Zeitler OG is a option, here's what cbssports has to say about him.

12/07/2011 – 2011 AFCA FBS COACHES’ ALL-AMERICA TEAM: OL Kevin Zeitler, Sr., Wisconsin, has been selected to the 2011 AFCA FBS Coaches’ All-America Team announced by the American Football Coaches Association. – Wisconsin football

Full Kevin Zeitler News Wire
Overview

The all-state high school offensive lineman (who also moonlighted as a wrestler) was considered one of top recruits in the country, but stayed in Wisconsin to continue the Badgers’ legacy of producing 1,000-yard running backs and NFL talent.

Zeitler appeared in three games as a true freshman, and then jumped into a veteran line to start every game at right guard in 2009. After playing as a reserve the first four games of his junior year due to a pre-season injury, he regained his starting job for the 2010 Big 10 conference schedule and was named honorable-mention all-conference for his efforts.

There will no doubt be comparisons between Zeitler and 2011 third-round pick John Moffitt, and both players have the size, tenacity and mobility to play for a long time in the NFL. But while the Waukesha native may not be as big as his former compatriot at left guard, his lower center of gravity, agility as a pass protector, and consistency hitting targets in space could earn him a higher grade from some teams.
Analysis

Pass blocking: Anchors against larger defenders in the middle, resets hands to maintain distance. Athletic enough to help on nose tackle then pick up twist or late blitzer. Mirrors quick interior rushers. Looks to help the center, or even the tackle a few yards upfield, if he is uncovered.

Run blocking: Good fit in a zone system, uses mobility and strength to move defender down the line. Dips shoulder and moves his feet to get outside leverage when needed. Strong and low coming out of his stance, effective in short-yardage situations. Finds the mike quickly and negates him when it is his responsibility. Gives effort to hit as many targets as possible, even if on the ground. Need to work on keeping outside leverage when doubling on the nose.

Pulling/trapping: Good foot quickness working behind the line, though losing a few extra pounds around the middle would help his agility. Brings hips to knock back linebackers in his way, maintains block until running back finds the hole behind him. Gets down low quickly to defeat defenders trying to cut down running backs. Ducks his head at times, must keep his posture to see and sustain against his target.

Initial Quickness: Possesses adequate quickness off the snap to get his hands into defenders and attack linebackers at the second level, but is not elite in this category and can be a step late at times.

Downfield: Regularly hits second-level targets, uses strong hands to latch on, and keeps legs churning to carry them out of the play. Knows correct blocking angles inside, gets into position with good footwork. Will punch at smaller defenders at times instead of latching on, allowing them to get off the block.

Intangibles: Dependable, no-nonsense mauler who works hard in the weight room and on the field. Did not start the first four games of 2010 due to a high ankle sprain suffered during the summer.

Ben Jones C from Georgia is another option.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 27, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He's not bad, but I worry about him getting to the 2nd level in the NFL.

The only reason I mention B.Jones or a C for that matter is I think he can play OG. I think Jones can play OG in a ZBS, but I wonder if Brewster isn’t better suited to play in a PBS. Over all he would be great if he fit the ZBS plus he might be on the board at our 4th rd pick. I’ve pretty much made up my mind on what OG I would take, and that’s DeCastro or Zeitler.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 28, 2012 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Brewster's nasty, but he might be a liability in pass pro'.

Could just be the defensive bias, especially for the C, in the pass rush drills I watched. And just how good is that Mike Martin kid?

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by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

amen

i have been pounding Zeitler band wagon.Remember Jeff Adams

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 28, 2012 3:36 AM CST up reply actions  

You cant teach that size or athleticism

Scouts are drooling technoque can be taught, its not like hes some raw prospect either he does have some technique, very good feet and great hands/arm length

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

like they say in basketball ...

you can’t teach tall

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

SO.....

Who is going to play RT ? Decastro leading the way…and oh …oh oh …Richardson whiffed the block… Ray Lewis tackle for loss.. Now what?

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 28, 2012 3:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ummm Glenn is a possibility?

I never said not to draft a RT.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 28, 2012 4:32 AM CST up reply actions  

the tackle class falls off a cliff after Reiff

but, this is a very deep guard class

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 29, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

which is the ONLY reason I’d consider passing up on DeCastro… though it’d be tough to do

by stagdsp on Jan 30, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

at least not yet (huge grin)

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by upamtn on Jan 30, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of Glenn at all

I don’t see him as a tackle for sure (some do)
and, I think of him as sort of a lumbering guard that is better suited for a power scheme (even though some have said he has good feet)

by stagdsp on Jan 27, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

more than sufficient, I trust your judgement

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

You need to watch more tape then

To caught up on looking at his weight, hes great on pulls and downfield blocks from the left guard position.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post Everest..............I agree Ups, it's very risky

…………If DeCastro is available when The Chiefs are on the clock, IMHO it’s a no brainer. If he is off the board, you then have to look and see if any really good OT are still on the board. But I have a feeling they will not be. And even if they were I believe trading back and then reaching a bit for Konz is the next best option. I’d rather have the #1 ranked C in the draft then settling for the 2 or 3 best OT.

But as you said Ups; “the pooch could get it good” and without any lubricant.

/no skitzo

by Masons on Jan 27, 2012 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we all concur, though, that after Decastro, Konz would be the guy.

And then it becomes a screw-the-pooch issue. That’s why I was more accepting of the T-Jax pick than many, and I wouldn’t hesitate to reach for NFL-ready interior, rather than for upside outside, when the floor might turn out to be no better than B-Rich.

I think I’d be more likely to attack interior with just one FA or one draft pick, but I’d be doubling-up on OT (FA and draft or even 2 picks), as a hedge.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

If were doubling down I really like Datko

Datko in the 4th would be perfect in a double down scenario. He has first round talent with injury concerns. If we’re bringing in two tackles Datko’s upside makes him a great choice.

by Everest on Jan 28, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Very nice

Well thought out and right on point with Pioli’s track record. However I may swap out Konz for Cordy Glenn! Dude is massive and shows nice versatility! He looks like he could start at G or RT! And we all know RT is a much bigger need then C! He’s having a really good senior bowl week. Getting lots praise and going against some real nice D-line prospects. Plus there’s Pioli SEC bias to add to they equation. Wonder if he was a team captain too? Lol!

by EmmyICT12 on Jan 27, 2012 12:00 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

Yup. There's a buzz about Glenn.

I’m cautious about drinking the Kool-Aid, though. Watching Senior Bowl week into the wee hours, tonight. Wild card player I’m looking at, now, is that 237-pound LB, who runs a 4.4 40, Zach Brown. I know he’s a 4-3 projection, but a player like that, and maybe swapping out your SILB is your first move toward nickel. Makes your defense more versatile, and might be just the TE killer teams are looking for, these days.

You can go ahead and leave your bigs in the game, more, and be big enough AND fast enough to take on today’s double TE sets, where you RARELY see both TEs being very good blockers. It’s nice to have a guy big enough to not fear contact at the line against a significantly bigger TE, and at the same time have that guy have the jets to close on anything that TE can do. A guy like that can also take on a portion of Berry’s run-stuffing role, freeing him up to get in touch with his Ed Reed side, and maybe doing more pure cover stuff.

I usually don’t advocate for this kind of LB, but that 4.4 speed is a real draw. If he has a good head, I don’t care if he doesn’t mix it up with OLs much. In fact, I don’t want him to. Comparisons are made to Demorrio Williams, only this kid is way faster.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions  

2012 Oline....

Albert, Nicks, Hudson, Asamoah, Glenn! Lilja, brich, and a project draft pick or 2 for depth. Wow! Youth,experience, talent, depth athletic enough to still play ZBS but with more power to push the pile for those tough yards on 3rd and short/goaline! Sign me up!

by EmmyICT12 on Jan 27, 2012 12:13 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

you're missing Mims

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 27, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

exactly my point

good guards can be had in other rounds.This is a deep guard class

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 27, 2012 3:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Cause he is not that talented

Why should the Colts take Luck when they could possibly get the next Brady?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

we MUSR get DeCastro ... he's our LGotF

and only teams with “ELITE” LG’s ever win the SB … look at the Patriots, really, just LOOK at that team!

I rest my case :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

How many Bradys are there?

How many Kurt Warners are anguishing in another league? Dick ‘’ night train lane’’ closelined people. Ya, thats right, CLOSE LINED people!!!! It is a passing league. OH… I know.. the team wins.. blah …blah. THEN WHY THE HELL are the 2 best ..yes ..say it with me QB’s in the SUPER BOWL!!!!!?? DeCastro might ( and I say MIGHT ) be the next Will Shields. Then again.. even he is a 3rd round pick. This is a very deep draft for guards. After Rief.., the tackle prospects go to shittt…… I like Jeff Adams in the 6th round but helll

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 28, 2012 3:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Eli is not the 2nd best QB in the league

Not touching the rest, just because of that one stupid statement

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 28, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

out of those 4 teams

the 3 best qb’s are in the SB. I don’t think that is even debateable. Eli is a top 5 qb in this league

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 29, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

of what 4 teams?

How are 3 QBs playing in the SB?.. saints you done confused me

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well yeah.. the other two are Smith and Flacco

Flacco is still improving, and by all means he is a good QB.. Smith.. not so much. No way anyone puts Eli over Brees or Rodgers, Eli is making his case for being considered elite though you are right

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 5:49 AM CST up reply actions  

just like Luck might (and I say MIGHT) be the next Peyton Manning ...
DeCastro might ( and I say MIGHT ) be the next Will Shields. Then again.. even he is a 3rd round pick.

FYI: DeCastro goes in the 1st Round … I have no idea what makes you think that he’s a “3rd Round pick” … maybe that’s where YOU would wait to pick the guy, but every professional-grade scouting organization that I’ve seen has him being the best at his position by a wide margin, and as being Top Ten talent AND the best Interior OLineman to come along in at least the last 5 years

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

ahhhhhhhhhhh

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Will shields was a 3rd round pick

I didn’t mean DeCastro was. Nevertheless, my point is you can get elite guard prospects in later rounds

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Same point can be made that you can find elite QBs in later rounds as well

That doesn’t mean you pass up elite talent for a gamble later in the draft

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Where can you find those

And don’t say Brady either. Where are all these elite late round qb’s of whom you speak?

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 30, 2012 1:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Brady!

Dawson? Warner? etc haha finding a elite player late is a possibility, but because in the past an elite player was found in later round doesn’t mean they all will be.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Good catch

Not sure why I was thinking he was a late round pick

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

3rd overall to be exact

So, that is 2 examples out of hundreds of QB’s drafted

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You are using an exception of a rule, trying to twist it to be the rule

You can pick a player in the late rounds/udfa and coach him up, but that doesn’t mean every late round pick will turn into an elite prospect. You can pick a player high, and have them bust just the same, no matter what position.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 6:13 AM CST up reply actions  

now your confusing me

who’s not that talented, Zeitler? He’s the 3rd rated guard in this draft. Not sure where the QB talk came from

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 30, 2012 1:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Not nearly as a complete prospect as DeCastro

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 5:52 AM CST up reply actions  

DeCastro is a great prospect no doubt about it

Point is, this is a very deep guard class. Maybe as many as 8 will be taken in the 1st 3 rounds. After Martin , Kalil and Reiff, the OT class falls off a cliff. My thing is that, I would rather take a B+ RT and a B+ guard, than have a A+ guard and an f at RT(Richardson). Guards are easier to find than OT’s , I don’t think that is debateable. There is a reason 5 guards were taken in the 1st round in the last 5 drafts combined, compared to 24 tackles in that same span

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 30, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Same reason as QBs teams reaching for a need, and not getting a good player

Just to have to redraft that position. I’m taking the best prospect at a position of need in the first.. that would be DeCastro over Reiff/Martin.

You honestly think if Adams/Sanders is there in the second(which could happen) that they wouldn’t easily upgrade Richardson?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 6:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I would be an uprade over Richardson

Not a fan of Adams and I think Sanders will be gone by pick 28. I really like Jeff Adams out of Columbia as a late round sleeper pick. But more than that, there isn’t much out there at tackle.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 31, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Pulling/trapping: Good foot quickness working behind the line, though losing a few extra pounds around the middle would help his agility. Brings hips to knock back linebackers in his way, maintains block until running back finds the hole behind him. Gets down low quickly to defeat defenders trying to cut down running backs. Ducks his head at times, must keep his posture to see and sustain against his target.

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 28, 2012 4:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Konz ruined the Rose Bowl for me

SNAP THE FREAKING BALL.

This is all ridiculous, no guard is being taken at #11.

by craig in calgary on Jan 27, 2012 1:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

exactly,

pioli is not takin decastro at 11 with lilja still on contract. Just not happenin

by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 27, 2012 1:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Then how about at #12

For a player compared to a future hall of famer

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

This is all ridiculous, no guard is being taken at #11.

and no 3-4 DE is being taken at #3, and no safety is going to be taken at #5.

I don’t know if DeCastro is Pioli’s guy. But if he is:

I think Pioli would try to trade down, since DeCastro should fall a little farther than 12.
If he can’t trade down, he has shown that he will take the guy at the top his board regardless of whether analysts call it a reach.

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 27, 2012 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

yep

Its WAR for the Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 27, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure about him falling much further

apparently Arizona and Dallas would take him

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

seen mocks where he goes to Dallas at 14

one had him going to Washington at 6

all I know is, if he’s there we don’t take the guy, I’ll be VERY pissed off

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

You and me both.

This should be the first year that Waltersfootball will be right about us going O-line in the 1st round.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 28, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

a little "retro style" for ya, craig
This is all ridiculous, no guard safety is being taken at #11 #5

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 7:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Im the newest passenger on the Decastro Train

Pretty much because I don’t see any better options at 11/12.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

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and yanno what?

we like you SO much that you get to ride for FREE!

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm with Craig

I’m just struggling to envision Pioli taking a OG at 11. I think Lilja’s issue last season was having to overcompensate for Wiegs. Put Hudson in as C and Lilja will be back to 2010 form. I see us trading number 11. No player other than possibly DeCastro fits a need AND represents value. And don’t say Martin or Reiff. RT’s don’t go 11 either. So to me it’s trade up for RG3 or trade down to pick Poe, Hightower or Burfict. Use the extra pick from a trade down to pick up an OG like Zeitler to replace Lilja in a year or too and add interior line depth.

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 27, 2012 7:08 AM CST reply actions  

I love how you struggle to see Pioli taking a OG at 11

yet you put in your post “So to me it’s trade up for RG3”… Is that your opinion or something you think Pioli would EVER actually consider? Dont forget he is a spread QB and Pioli thinks “All spread QB’s are Garbage!”

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 27, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Dont get me wrong

I think RG3 isnt like all the other Big 12 Spread Offense QB’s that have come out or played in college the last 5-7 years. I think he can be a special player…

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 27, 2012 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He has a lot of talent and Newton did it, I think RG3 can as well. He is not as big so he may get beat up a bit....

……..I’m just more Old School, I’d rather see the QBs hands under center. That didn’t sound too good…lol

/no skitzo

by Masons on Jan 27, 2012 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

get your mind outta the ...

oh wait, it’s FUN down here! never mind :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Pioli has never said that

And QB is a need and of far greater value than OG. RG3 is not like other spread QBs. He has arm strength and deep ball accuracy to go with the mobility that you get with typical spread QBs. He has all the tools to transition to a pro style QB

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 27, 2012 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Here are a few items...

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/3/3/2024715/combine-todd-haley-scott-pioli-shed-light-on-evaluating-qbs
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Here are a couple of items from the War Room book.
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“drafting a quarterback in the first round instantly puts your job on the line”
He also then goes on to talk about how he hates the spread offense and how he has a hard time even watching it on tape. He could care less about a QB’s athletic ability and cares more about pocket presence and pocket sense. He talks about the center/QB exchange. He does love accuracy of the college QB. I agree he didnt say those exact words but watch video of him talking about the spread, look at all the QB’s he has EVER drafted, look at the position players he has drafted etc. You come to a pretty quick conclusion.
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Oh and your “Value” of a QB vs OG… We all know that QB is the most important position on the field but there are other factors to look at. Do you know what the cost will be to trade up to the 2nd pick? It will cost KC the 11th and 47th along with at least our 1st and change in 2013, probably our 3rd if not our 2nd. You cant just look at value as far as what that position does…
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RG3 or DeCastro/Sanders in 2012 and something like Tyler Wilson, Mantee Ball or Manti Te’o in 2013 as well as the 2nd/3rd round guy. You are talking about 4 players (2-1st round, 1-2nd round and probably a 3rd rounder) for RG3… That is a CRAPLOAD of talent for one player. Look at it this way. Eric Berry(1st), Dexter McCluster(2nd), John Baldwin(1st), Justin Houston(3rd) for RG3. That is the potential haul for the picks we would have to trade for RG3.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 28, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

then why do we have Cassel?
He could care less about a QB’s athletic ability and cares more about pocket presence and pocket sense

you know I had to ;-)

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Pioli is dumb if he is so sure that spread QBs aren't any good considering the majority of college offenses are spread offenses

RG3 does have pocket awareness. He has accuracy. He has arm strength. He has athletic ability. Cam Newton and Andy Dalton disagree that spread QBs can’t work out. True there is a learning curve to transition from spread to pro. All it means is they need a bit of coaching, but if they possess the abilities like pocket presence, arm strength, and mobility then there is a lot less he has to learn. RG3 is also a great character. Raised by two army sergeants. He shows great maturity when he talks to the media and was the leader of the Baylor team.

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 28, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

considering he was thinking about going into Med School ... I'd say he's intelligent enough to learn anything he wants to :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Michael Holly did some interviews on the radio and I remember him saying something along those lines… I wish I could remember what station and when he was on when he said that. He was on like 3 or 4 times when the book came out and when certain things happened with KC. His impression from Pioli is that he doesnt think spread QB’s will amount to much in the NFL.
BUT like I said in my post above, I think RG3 is a different player. The only issue I have is what it would take to get him… If we drafted 5th and had to move up to 2 then HELL YEAH pull the trigger. 11 all the way to 2 is a lot to give up…

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by KSU-Chief on Jan 28, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I am absolutely on board the DeCastro train

I think I was one of the first to mention him… and I’ve repeated this quote often…
he was described as “the most dominant player at his respective position in the draft”

that’s saying something.

Anyway, I’d be fine with a trade down for Konz, and I wouldn’t hate Martin or Reiff either…
I just think it’d be smart for OL to be the first pick…. or the 2nd

by stagdsp on Jan 27, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions  

the first pick ... AND the second

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

ya think?

whatever works to get DeCastro, I’m down with it!

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Martin is awful

A finesse tackle who cant deal with the speed rush, and you want him over Glen? Srs?

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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I don't think DeCastro and Konz are good players but....

I just don’t see Pioli going there this year. People can say “no one thought he would take a 3-4 DE at #3” or “No one thought he would take a SS at #5” but the difference there was immediate need. There is no immediate need at guard. People in general are overreacting about Liljas performance at LG this year and considering he isn’t near retirement I don’t see Pioli drafting a replacement with a first round pick. Now if you said a 3rd round guy like Zeitler or something that can come in and be depth? Maybe. But a replacement? Nope. It’s the same reason we likely won’t see a high pick burned on ILB. If Pioli only saw Lilja as a temporary short term fix, only to draft a high round guard(because remember Pioli thinks longterm so he wouldve seen guys like DeCastro and Konz coming) then he would’ve likely kept his Pro Bowl LG as a one year fix to buy time and released the guy they owe more money to.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 27, 2012 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

one would hope so, and that he still has his eyes on them :-)
Pioli thinks longterm so he would’ve seen guys like DeCastro and Konz coming

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

good points, GB

My thought is that the “immediate need” is more of a product of a “rebuilding team” which KC no longer is (IMHO)

good teams, including those Pioli helped make draft decisions for, draft for current/future need AND depth and value…

I think one could argue that KC now (for the first time in recent memory) has a solid starting lineup in place (with Richardson as the possible exception) and can draft role players, depth players and value picks more than “immediate needs”

Look at last year’s draft, I think WR was a need, but they had Bowe and Breaston coming in, so most were surprised they took Baldwin… but he’s a long term pick, and they weren’t worried about getting huge production from him in year one… same with Hudson… and Stanzi… and Powe…

Also, I think people forget that there is more than one round in the draft… just because he takes a stud like DeCastro or Konz in the first doesn’t mean he cant come back and address other “more urgent” needs in rounds 2-7, not to mention FA

finally, Pioli DID admit they need to improve the O Line, and that doesn’t JUST mean RT

by stagdsp on Jan 27, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

wrecks AND cookies!

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

True enough as well.

Have to remember with Baldwin though that he was an immediate need. We had no one other then Bowe and free agency wasn’t a sure thing at that point and he needed to have somehting in place. I agree that we’re not rebuilding anymore and are down to just needing a few more pieces but I just think there are more glaring needs and if it’s not need based he’ll take the most explosive player available.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 27, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but like stagdsp is saying, just because a need is glaring doesn't mean it requires your highest pick.

Ups ‘n’ me like the 1st round interior OL pick, because it’s a glaring need coinciding with some elite players.

I’m not certain why I’m sanguine about spending a 1st on interior line, when I’d fight to the death to prevent a 1st-round ILB or RB, 9 out of 10 years.

And I’d rather spend the 1st on an elite OG than spend it on a possibly (not) decent OT, at the next level. And it’d take one heck of a crap group of OTs, OGs, WRs, DBs for me to spend a 1st on an ILB, although I’d be inclined to reach in the 1st for a dominat ‘tweener OLB/DE. Looking at the bull rush that Ingram has to go with everything else makes him tough to scheme against and tough to pass on in the draft. Somebody that might slip, because he’s only 6-foot or 6-1, and, rather than worry about his role, turn the question around, get him on the field, and make him the problem of opposing offenses.

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by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

this ^^^

you and I and MNchiefsfan and Masons and others share a lot of these views … I think perhaps a good part of it is because we value the interior of the OLine as a “group” more than just individual players, and believe that long term value and ability in terms of both pass protection AND the running game is a very valuable asset for a team’s success

and as you pointed out (and as many of us have) DeCastro is – by all accounts – absolutely elite at his position, and if he’s still on the board at our pick I believe he’d clearly be BPA as well, and that at a position OF need (even if not the position needing upgrade the most) … and to me, the benefits of having a young stud interior OLine for the next decade supercedes the “need” to go for the second or third or fourth best RT or the “need” to find another 3-4 DE or the “need” for another ILB etc etc

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I wholeheartedly agree

However I also have a strong bias towards a trade back. I think it’s hard to go wrong, when picking up extra 2nds 3rds or even a first next year. No player, not even David Decatro, is assured to pan out in this league, by trading back you double your odds of getting a great player and in a perfect world you get two great players. This draft in particular has a lot of very intriguing players who could potentially do great things for the Chiefs in rounds 2 and 3. The other possibility is that we pick up and extra first next year giving us the ammunition to move up and grab a franchise signal caller. I feel that if we can get either of these options and still land an elite interior lineman it’s in the teams best interest. I feel that Konz is an elite guard prospect as well and is being overlooked by many with all the hype surrounding Decastro, in any other year it would be Konz receiving the hype.

by Everest on Jan 28, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

nice arguments about Konz ... and valid points about moving down, double the chances of success

draft day could be very interesting :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 28, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Just have to mention, you guys base all your logic on services that rate players. Teams rate them differently, things like system/scheme fit and some about personality and fit within the group.

Take Mike Adams, the best RT prospect in this draft for ability to come in and start from day 1, not the third or fourth ranked tackle prospect. So you skew your wants by liking the guard by thinking we are getting less than in the T department. I really WANT the RT fixed, but if a really talented playmaker is available, then I’m OK with taking a tackle later. But I am not down with taking a guard as it’s not a big need.

by dubld on Jan 29, 2012 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Adams might be a RT only, Reiff/Martin might be RT floor, LT ceilings

Much different, no matter who rates them, they will take the upside into account.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm glad you are so sure of yourself about this, as I see it different. We

need an immediate starter, not upside, and if a guy can start then he is pretty good, without upside to HOPE for.

by dubld on Jan 29, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure what your issue is... Reiff/Martin/Adams all have the talent to start at RT over BRich

He is the third or fourth ranked tackle prospect, because of what I said.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Kalil does, too! ;=)

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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 30, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

dbld, I guess that's just where some of us will have to agree to disagree ...
not down with taking a guard as it’s not a big need

I see our pathetic dead last ranking in Red Zone scoring as a huge need to address, and while Hudson replacing Wiegmann should be part of that, I also know that Lilja isn’t getting any younger, nor is he what could considered “elite” in the OG Universe

top that off with DeCastro’s talent and level of play not only on the line but also “in space” … pulling and trapping and blocking on the run … and what he can do for our running game both the “short” game and the overall … to me it’s an easy decision

sure, I want RT fixed as well, but the obvious elite RT is Kalil and then everyone else after that … we’re in the “everyone else” group so which one isn’t that huge of an issue, not a huge difference from one to another

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by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

you talk as if red zone scoring is all on the interior o-line, it ain't. we had a

wee bit of discourse about the ZBS before and it isn’t suited to short yardage situations. Although I can understand the want of the gifted players at all the positions, I just don’t think you want a DeCastro who will be a free agent in four years jumping ship for a big contract elsewhere and have nothing to show for it.

by dubld on Jan 29, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Cause having Adams as a free agent in four years jumping ship for a big contract elsewhere

Is so much better?

btw there are options on the new contracts for a 5th year

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

dubld, ZBS doesn't preclude getting guys like DeCastro who are both nimble enough to move and strong enough to push and block

so unless your idea is to completely scrap the system and go to full ahead power blocking scheme – which I doubt Crennel will do – then the ZBS is what we have and will have for the foreseeable future

and really, it isn’t JUST the Red Zone, it’s almost everywhere on the field … short yardage we have issues, and DeCastro is a stud, strong and blocks out to second level very well, in addition to being able to pull and block on the run, as well as block out defenders on the pass

as for contract, there is nothing preventing the team from redoing his contract in a few years and extending it out more

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by upamtn on Jan 29, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree whole-heartedly

Had a discussion on this very same topic with BAMF yesterday

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

rec Stag

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 27, 2012 8:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I was on the Cain Train and that got derailed...........

And so might this choo choo, too—if Pioli “loses” Carr—my priority and/or Bowe.
Given what Carr’s agent is going to want, I don’t think Pioli is going to come up anywhere near “Flower’s money”, and that is what I think BC will want.

If he loses Carr then he has to decide whether to sit down and have a smoke with Dre in the first or take DeCastro, or wait until the second and gamble he can get a guy who is big enough—Gilmore, as we have plenty of small CB’s already.

But Pioli does think long term and maybe he wants Dontari Po so his NT’s will be Po/Powe

There are some going to be some good guards available in R-2, not to mention Brich looks more like a G to me than a tackle, and

I kind of like the Schwartz kid from Cal in the 3rd for ROT.

IF the DT option plays out we “plugged” the big gap in the middle of the D, get at least 1 starting guard caliber player in R-2, and let Schwartz and Mimms duke it out at RT, and have Brich back up across the line?

Would that not fill our most pressing needs……particularly if Carr/Bowe stay?

by SinceMG on Jan 27, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions  

The only reason not to pay Flowers kind of money to Carr is if you overpaid for Flowers, in which case you screwed yourself

on Carr, who’s developed into as good or better in coverage as Flowers, imo. Carr’s always had more long speed and size, and his technique has improved every year. Flowers is very very good, but I think he hit his ceiling sooner, and Carr’s ceiling is looking higher, to me, at this point. When he’s in the inside leverage and you try to beat him over the top, you’re rolling the dice on a pick, and Carr has mastered both

  1. getting his head around and
  2. fighting to high-point the ball.

A year ago, he learned to get his head around, and last year, he was actually locating the ball and making a play for it, rather than being just a blind body in perfect position, but no idea where the ball was. Bigger WRs would reach right past him for the ball, even though his feet had put him in perfect position. This last season, he turned the corner and got a pick or three in those same situations.

Ultimately, I’d like to see Flowers end up playing more FS-type stuff, but so far, he hasn’t shown he has the head (heart?) for it. I think eyeball-to-eyeball, you give up a little something if he’s your 1st line of defense, but I think his combo of ball skills and anticipation would make for a lot of x-ray interceptions. The hidden weakness in that inverted coverage I like to see is if the CB who switched to the back end doesn’t understand the situation or doesn’t have his head in the job description, back there.

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by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

Carr"s ceiling right now might be higher than Flowers’ right now. I can’t understand why they didnt get him to sign beginning to mid season to save some cash. They have to pay him the big bucks now

by tomachop on Jan 28, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes. But that's how the guys with the money always are.

But their penny-wise pound-foolishness is why they have the money, and us geniuses kibbitz from the periphery.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 2:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I think DeCastro can play and excel at right tackle

Just like people speculated Brandon Albert could play LT. Point is DeCastro bring versatility, which is why he isn’t your average guard and why 11 or 12 could make sense for him. I highly doubt he gets past the Cowboys at 14.

by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mess with a sure thing

no reason to try and get him to play a different position

IF KC takes him… plug him in at LG, and move on

by stagdsp on Jan 27, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

yup, BPA at a position that gets the interior of the OLIne on LOCKDOWN for a decade

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Just saying...

it worked out for Albert, I think its worth considering, especially when you consider how god awful right tackle was for us and has been for us ever since Tait left.

by Crown Chief on Jan 27, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't go into it with that intention, but I'd sure as hell be open to trying it, if RT continued to suck and I had a G who was better.

It would say that I screwed up at OT.

It’s ironic, to me, though, that I still believe that an elite player will make a bigger difference at tackle, than at guard. Too often, you HAVE to throw the ball, and your likelihood of success hinges on OT winning 1-on-1 against the best edge rushers in the league. Maybe you’re a little light in the middle, but anybody big enough to exploit that should be easy enough for your QB to evade, provided your tackles are winning against all comers outside.

I think that there’s maybe 1 or 2 real deals at LT each year, and a lotta guys who might, but might not. To me, there’s maybe 1 or 2 worth taking in the 1st and a whole bunch of guys NOT worth taking that early, unless RT is your urgent need, and not reaching might mean not getting the instant starter 32 picks later, like Bulaga, the draft before the season the Packers won the SB. But it’s burning a 1st for a player who’s going to be elite or near-elite on the right side, even if it doesn’t translate to the blind side.

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by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 1:45 AM CST up reply actions  

RG

DeCastro Played RG :)

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 27, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he can play either

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by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I truly hope you are wrong

We won the Denver game 7-3. Good luck with that offensive production week in week out. What do you want to address? ILB FS RB? We’re not at the luxury pick level yet,..close but not yet.

by tomachop on Jan 28, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I personally want to see some overkill on that position group.

Line play is the first thing I look for. It’s the main reason I’m so quick to defend current skill players. it’s not that i like THEM so much, but that I hate seeing my team get the worst of it in the trenches. It’s hard for me to really make the call on the skill players, until I see them opening holes, and basically winning the surge.

Everyone talks about wanting a franchise QB, but bad O-Line can cause you to cast away the QB in the churn who COULD throw darts, on the right team, but you end up going for the 2nd-best passer, because you need his mobility. Nothing like dominant pass rush to remind us all that Manning and Brady were NEVER solo acts.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 2:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Devon Still

maybe the only other guy I can see going in the 1st for us. QB is not going to happen

by tomachop on Jan 28, 2012 1:34 AM CST reply actions  

There are some intriguing later round guys this year

Kheeston Randall is another guy to consider taking a flyer on. Came into the season very highly rated and was something of a disappointment. Has the size (6’5" and 301 lbs) and physical tools, to be a great run stopper but lacks the explosiveness to be a great pass rusher. Will probably be available in the late rounds.

by Everest on Jan 28, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Rather have Brockers than still

Brocker’s upside is a lot higher than Still in my opinion and he is a much better pass rusher.

by Everest on Jan 28, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

The problem with upside, remember Dorsey was the next Reggie White, is that they rarely

achieve the projection and has cost many coaches and GM’s their jobs. Upside is good, just not early in the draft.

by dubld on Jan 29, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Sorry but I really have to disagree with you in his case

Many people are already rating Brockers ahead of Still, the two are pretty close to each other right now. The difference Still IMO opinion is already close to his ceiling Brockers still has lots of upside. Still is getting a lot of hype right now but remember he was seen by most as a second or third rounder, late first at best during the season. Brockers is a much better pass rusher than Still and just as good anchoring against the run.

by Everest on Jan 29, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I can dig what you are saying, it's just I am not of the opinion that Still is going to be worhy of getting picked as high as we are slotted.

Brockers, as I see it, is worthy talent wise just not in experience or strengh. So as far as I am concerned we shouldn’t choose any player as high as we draft unless he can start immmediately, and play well while doing so.

by dubld on Jan 29, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Konz has been on my radar. Good call Steve.

Merlinnj

by merlinnj on Jan 28, 2012 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

Konz flanked by Hudson and Asamoah….Yes to this!

by ChiefRocka on Jan 30, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

except that Hudson is really too small to play OG ... he's our next Center, next to Asamoah

thus the need for DeCastro at LG (smile)

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