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Looking at Scott Pioli's Draft Record in KC

Well, this is about the time of year that I realize there is only 1 football game left and I go into a mild depression. What I do to cope with this is look at things like mock drafts, free agents, etc. Anyways, I have been looking at a few of the past Chiefs drafts, and decided to post about it. Hope you learn something, or at least find this entertaining. First FanPost by the way!

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Scott Pioli's first draft in Kansas City was in 2009, as Im sure you all know. This draft, in my opinion, was horrendous. Here is the list of players taken by the Chiefs...

Tyson Jackson, Alex Magee, Donald Washington, Colin Brown, Quintin Lawrence, Javarris Williams, Jake O'Connell, Ryan Succop

The more I look at this, the more depressing it is. Just about every pick in this draft hasn't worked out. Succop is probably the only player who has exceeded expectations. He has developed into a solid kicker for the Chiefs. Jackson, Washington, Lawrence, O'Connell, and Succop are the only players left on the roster. Jackson is the only starter (not counting Succop).

The interesting player from this draft is Tyson Jackson. I know most fans in KC hate the pick. For the first two years, I completely understand. Even to this day, it is still probably a reach. But, I think Tyson Jackson has developed into a good player. He was, in my opinion, the best Defensive Lineman for the Chiefs this year. Jackson was constantly eating up double teams, and finally started making plays consistently this season. He even was getting pressure on the QB, although that was only occasionally. I remember ProFootballFocus had him rated as one of the best 3-4 DEs in the NFL this year. I think that says alot. It isnt a sexy pick, but the success of Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, and Derrick Johnson has to say something about this Defensive Line. That is Jackson's job, to let those guys roam around and make plays, and that happened this year. Hopefully it continues into next year.

Finally, on to the rest of this class. Washington, Lawrence, and O'Connell are the only players left on the roster. They are all 3 role players at best. Washington was not very good this year. O'Connell doesnt need to be on this team going into next year, and Lawrence is an okay special teams player. That is about it. Not a very good first impression from Scott Pioli to say the least.

*Note, the rest of this draft class was bad in general. It wasnt just Kansas City.

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Finally we are moving into the very positive portion of this post. This is for sure Pioli's best draft in KC. Starters and very good role players are plentiful.

With the first pick, we drafted Eric Berry. It was devastating that Berry tore his ACL, and I really hope he recovers well. From what I have read things are going well for him (and Charles/Moeaki). At the time, this pick somewhat surprised me. I really wanted to draft Berry, because at the time, and still today, I think he can be an Ed Reed/Troy Polamalu caliber of player. I figured Pioli wouldnt take a Safety, but Im glad he did. Berry should be a pro bowler for years to come. This was a slam dunk pick.

In the second round, we took Dexter McCluster 36th overall, and Javier Arenas 50th overall. They both made impacts early in their career, both having huge games on Monday Night against San Diego in Week 1 a year ago. Alot of people are somewhat down on these picks, but I like both of them. I think McCluster is a very good back. Just look at the statistics. Also, he pretty much singlehandedly beat two teams (Chicago and Denver). Arenas is a solid nickel corner, and a very good punt returner. I dont think Arenas has all that high of a ceiling, but he is a good enough player. They are both players you want on your team.

In the third round, we had another two picks. They were both outstanding picks. Moeaki showed alot of promise in his rookie campaign. That one handed TD catch was just phenomenal. Jon Asamoah replaced Brian Waters this year, and he was not a letdown. Asamoah was very good for a first year starter, and I think he can be a very good lineman in the years to come.

The Chiefs next pick was the best pick Scott Pioli has ever made, in my opinion. Kendrick Lewis has dveloped into a stud, and to get him in the 5th round, bravo Scott Pioli. Lewis and Berry along with Flowers and Carr (?) can be one of if not the best secondary in the league in the near future. They are all very young and talented. Pioli nailed this pick.

Cameron Sheffield was the last pick for the Chiefs in 2010, and he is still an unknown. He hasnt got much playing time, so its hard to critique this pick. This wraps up the Chiefs draft in 2010, and out of their 7 picks, 4 are starters and 2 more are solid players. Heck of a draft if you ask me.

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This is Pioli's most recent draft. This was the first one by Pioli that wasnt a Top 5 pick, so that should be noted when looking at it.

Alot of this draft is to be determined. It is really hard to judge a player solely off of their rookie season, especially in this lockout shortened year.

The list of players is Jon Baldwin, Rodney Hudson, Justin Houston, Allen Bailey, Jalil Brown, Ricky Stanzi, Gabe Miller, Jerrell Powe, and Shane Bannon.

Out of that list, Baldwin, Houston, and Bailey were the only players to really see the field. Baldwin showed alot of promise, but was wildly inconsistent and didnt even play the full season due to injury. Hudson appears to be the starting Center going into 2012, and that is a good sign. Houston is really the only player to see consistent time this year. He looked to be a very good player opposite Tamba Hali, especially down the stretch. He is super athletic for his size, and has pretty good instincts for a rookie. Also, Allen Bailey played fairly well in sub packages this year, and Brown was a good special teams player. They both have some potential. The rest (Stanzi, Miller, Powe, and Bannon), are big question marks.

Again, if youre still here, thanks for reading. Hope this was informative and or entertaining. Post up in the comments section your thoughts on these past drafts, or even the upcoming drafts.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

DeCastro beats Ta'amu all day, any day

find your new religion today!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Where'd that come from?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

well done, and welcome to AP!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

Pioli's grades by round for his first 3 drafts.....

1st rounders- B (Berry really skews this)
2nd rounders- D (Cassel, 2 role players, and a guy we really haven’t seen yet)
3rd rounders- A (Pioli is on fire right now in this round)
4th rounders- F
5th rounders- A (This is assuming Stanzi becomes the next Brady)
6th and 7th rounders- Who cares

And no, these aren’t premature.

by ChiefsFetish on Jan 26, 2012 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

Well hell if you are going to round up on a round by ASSUMING a player will be great..

1st rounders-A
2nd rounders-A
3rd rounders-A
4th rounders-A
5th rounders-A
6th and 7th rounders-A

Can’t only use it for one round

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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd round

Cassel, Vrabel, Arenas, McCluster, Hudson = D? I’ve possibly been more critical of Cassel than anyone on this site over the past three years, but even I think a D is a bit harsh. McCluster has nearly won two games by himself already (2010 Week 1 vs San Diego and 2011 Week 17 at Denver).

1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)

by kc_radrh8r on Jan 26, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

It would appear that a coach that knows how to use him can make him look like a star. The last raider game is of note. We lost but if it were not for Dex and Bowe, we aren’t even in that game. (offensively)

by fishhooks on Jan 27, 2012 10:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice first post

Not as high on Lewis as you are, but he was very nice value for sure.

by Lucasjr5 on Jan 26, 2012 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

3RD RD GRADE

Needs to be lowered, don’t forget Alex Magee is not even in the league.

Carpe Diem

by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 26, 2012 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

At least we got a pick outta him before he got thrown out haha

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

...you're kidden right?

…We pretty much gave Brian Waters away… !!?? TO THE ******* PATRIOTS Asamoah… not a letdown? “What game were you watching..??” With Brian Waters we get to playoffs… And I know one player can’t change things, but face it with Brian you take 5-7 maybe more sacks away from the final sacks allowed tally of season.. Releasing Multiple Pro Bowl Lineman…? Did we give Will Shields away… ?? ..Nope (FYI: Brian Waters I’m sure got tips/tutorledge from Shields and a tackle by the name of Willie Roaf + (Mr.Casey Wiegmann)

There has been now to questionable releases or cuts with this regime.(In my eyes)
(First Bernard Pollard (1st year of Pioli regime) last time I saw still knocking off heads of WRs still today and then Brian Waters… ? Pro Bowl<Super Bowl bound)
Merry Christmas Patriots and a Happy New Year

by HometownKC86 on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

You must not watch games

Big John was clearly our best lineman all year.

by RamX21 on Jan 26, 2012 11:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

But we let go of a safety who can't cover and misses a ton of tackles!

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 6:05 AM CST up reply actions  

nobody does that, it's not allowed ...
He only made the Pro Bowl because of his name

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate to say it, but there are a LOT of players who make the pro-bowl because of their name.

Didn’t get to watch many Pats games this year, but I would be willing to bet that Waters ‘name’ didn’t hurt him any in getting pick to the pro-bowl.

by DivineGrace on Jan 29, 2012 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I get your frustration

but you are way off on Asamoah.

And I now have the word “tutorledge” in my vocab.

by Steve_in_RI on Jan 27, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

new wordage ... YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

No joke.

The loss of Pollard and Page would be waaaayyyy more palatable had our safety situation had gotten any better… oh… wait…

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Jan 27, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd year draft was there best, but

if we were going to take a TE in that draft we should have drafted Gradkowski in the second round instead of McCluster. And if we did not, we could have Hernandez or Graham with the Moeoki pick. I have nothing against Moeoki but he is always hurt. I would rather have Gradkowski or Graham.
Also, how good is Stanzi if he cannot beat out Palko when Cassel was hurt. I can see us drafting a Wheeden this year if Stanzi is not that good.

by Mustang fever on Jan 27, 2012 7:19 AM CST reply actions  

Cause GRONK not GRAD was coming off a bad back injury and had not played in a year?

Or Graham the guy who was very raw, and is still not a good blocking TE?

Hindsight is 20/20 but you also have to take into account the QBs throwing them the ball and the offense they are in

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

So if a young Stanzi isn't good

we draft a guy 5 years older to develop him?

by Steve_in_RI on Jan 27, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

nah, Alex Smith only took 7 years to "break out" so ...

… counting college playing time, Cassel should be ready to break out in 2017

I can hardly wait! :-)

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 27, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Shoulda woulda coulda.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I love how after the fact, when players like Gronk are on a team with a sure fire HoF QB, that people are like “We should have drafted HIM instead of Moeaki.”

Funny how not a single person was complaining about Mo last year…

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Jan 27, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

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