Future Chiefs At The Senior Bowl

by Joel Thorman on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM CST

During the Senior Bowl there are always reports of Team A spotted talking with a player and then it's tweeted and then fans like us get all worked up because we either love or hate that player.

Those are fun because you learn more about each particular player but in the long run the Kansas City Chiefs, or any other team, talking to a particular player doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Nevertheless, there are a lot of tweets and reports of players talking to Chiefs scouts. A few of the ones I've seen today...

The Chiefs chatted with DT Kendall Reyes, a 6'4" 300 pounds out of Connecticut. He's expected to be a second or third round pick this year. Also with Notre Dame SS Harrison Smith, 6'2", 212 pounds. He's expected to be a mid-round pick.

And my candidate for best name: Senio Kelemete. He's a guard out of Washington listed at 6'4" and 300 pounds. He's expected to be a mid round pick.

And in other draft updates...there's a small school guy, WR Thomas Mayo out of California (PA), who was one of many who connected with KC at the East-West Shrine game. He's listed at 6'2" and 207 pounds. There's also a late-round guy, ILB Shawn Loiseau out of Merrimack, who has spoken to Chiefs scouts.

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I like where they are looking..

based on your reports. O line, D line and depth are a big need for us.

Keep up the good work.

by angrydeafman on Jan 26, 2012 3:38 PM CST reply actions

Wouldnt mind Reyes in the 2nd

Or Kelemete in the 3rd

Actually wouldnt mind any of these guys as Chiefs.

Dont know if thats a good or bad thing.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 3:51 PM CST reply actions

Reyes doesn't look like he would fit at all for that high of a pick though

There was some talk about Mayo being a freak before the college season started

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions

The CBS review makes Reyes sound pretty dang good.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah the practices he has shown a lot of explosion

I see a 4-3 interior guy, uses a lot of spin moves not power

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions

Could be a Gilberry backup/replacement, then.

Are they lining up much 3-4 type play at the Senior Bowl?

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 26, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

4-3 only

No blitz/stunts/single high safety or cover 3 zone

Just like the probowl its shit for the defense.

He could be a Gilberry type player, but for that high of a pick? Ill pass

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions

We run Sub-Packages 50% of the time

And he isn’t a Gilberry-type, if anything he’s a greater then Gilberry-type. A lot more size and talent to work with, and upside as a 5 tech DE which Gilberry could never be.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think both Gilberry and Dorsey would be pleased as punch to be traded to 4-3 teams.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 26, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions

Gilberry is FA though

And there is no way i want Reyes starting his first year…

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, right...

Forgot about Gilberry’s contract year. Too bad for him it was worse than last year.

Yeah, if we lost Dorsey or TJax right now, we’d be in poor shape. Although I’m hopeful that Gordon could be servicable, I think he did pretty well when Dorsey was out last year. Plus all that rookie playing time for Bailey might pay off sooner rather than later.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 26, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions

I meant a Gilberry type player to start off as

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions

Well you don't draft people for immediate impact

That’s what Free Agency is for

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions

High picks are never drafted to have an immediate impact?

News to me.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions

Not always

Was Jason Pierre-Paul? How about Tyson Jackson? Rodney Hudson? Dexter McCluster? Javier Arenas?

The list goes on and on and on. The draft is a crapshoot, and fans particularly take way to much stock in it.

If the player you draft has an immediate impact that’s always a good thing, but definitely not expected particularly the father away you get from the first round.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions

Hence the ''high picks'' part

Which he would be.

Are you saying Dex nor Arenas had impacts? JPP didn’t flash his first year?

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

In their first years? The impacts were minimal at best, and they're still not "starters"

As was JPP, who was in a rotation his whole rookie year. He flashed but it wasn’t exactly great flashes, he’s become a monster due to development.

So what that means Reyes can’t flash his Rookie year? That he can’t have an impact rushing in the Nickel Package, playing 50% of the snaps?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions

High picks are expected to have impacts, thats all I'm saying

Twist it all you want.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions

I'm not twisting anything

You’re the one alluding to Reyes not having an impact because he’d start in sub-packages his rookie year. Oh well he’s not a 3 down player immediately, that’s setting your bar way to high. Hardly any Defensive lineman are that are taken in the 2nd round. Hell any DL rookie period if you want to get technical with it whether they’re drafted in the 1st or 7th.

Don’t see why he wouldn’t have an impact, unless you just don’t like him as a prospect and think he will bust.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions

I don't like him in our scheme as I said

Or rather at this point, I do not see a place for him. I also stated I do not believe we will be in the position to take a subpackage player with a 2nd round pick which he could easily rise to be after this is all said and done.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions

I dunno. I know we've still got other needs, but we need to backfill that D line sooner or later.

Even if Dorsey sticks around. I don’t know how long they keep Gordon. Right now, Bailey and UDFA Bair are our only developmentals for DE.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 26, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions

Which we can find those guys later on in the draft

We could get a OT/OG/ILB/TE/DB in the second/third that would help us more than a back up DE

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions

But if he's starting in sub-packages that we run as much as we do the 3-4

Then he wouldn’t be a back-up, he’d be a starting defensive tackle. With potential down the line to start 3 downs.

But honestly what guys at those respective positions would be there?

OT: Levy Adcock? No thanks rather just wait till round 3.
OG: Brandon Washington? Zeitler? Don’t fit our scheme that we run now.
ILB: Bobby Wagner? Audie Cole? Wouldn’t be worth the pick, may not start this year anyway. Doubt we sniff Hightower or Burfict.
TE: Coby Fleener? He’d definitely be a back-up
DB: Some good corners, but if we re-sign Carr that type of pick can go on the backburner. Don’t expect Barron to be there, and its to early for any other safety. Not impressed with Iloka but I could live with Antonio Allen. I doubt either would give us the same impact as a good defensive lineman rushing the passer.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions

Zeitler moves rather well actually, can fit a ZBS

Dorsey, Tjax, Bailey, Gilberry, Gordon, etc can all play in the subpackages

No need for a guy who may only fit in 1 role, that early

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

Not at the Senior Bowl

Looked completely lost in space.

They can play them huh? Sure, I’ll believe that when Crennel actually does it. Since he doesn’t I’ll err on the side of actually improving our team, Reyes may have one role early on but that doesn’t mean he won’t expand on that. Their is more then one year in the NFL, their are seasons after a player is drafted.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

Gordon, Bailey, Gilberry, and Tjax all saw time in the subpackages last year IIRC

I don’t remember if Dorsey did, although the year before he was always in them.

Most ZBS prospects will look lost when its a 1 on 1 drill, which usually favor the Dlinemen anyways.

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

Bailey and Gilberry were the main guys, they probably had 90% of the snaps

I don’t remember ever seeing TJ once, maybe you’re confusing him with Dorsey? Gordon doesn’t even have a contract with us next season.

I’d rather have a rotation anyways, don’t want guys that have to be in there for 3 downs. The Giants are going to the SB because of how great their depth is, versatility and they’re experts with the rotation, same with Baltimore.

And it wasn’t 1-on-1 drills, he’s not out blocking in space downfield on one-on-one drills.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions

Going off mills with the Tjax reference

Do not remember seeing Dorsey out there last year in the subpackages.

Love to know how Zeitler doesn’t fit the scheme, I was talking about the 1 on 1 practice drills where he would lose a step, which in a ZBS he has help, and most ZBS prospects do not look good in 1 on 1 drills because of that

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 8:10 PM CST up reply actions

I think he shoots up boards

He’s already talked about as a 2nd-3rd rounder and when the season ended people were saying 4th, and that’s before the combine where i think he’ll impress.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't mind Harrison Smith in the 4th

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by KingChief on Jan 26, 2012 4:00 PM CST reply actions

It's be cool...

If we could see a running list of players that the Chiefs have reportedly talked to, worked out, or interviewed during the offseason so we could get a gauge of the draft board. When compared to our draft outcome, such a list could also be used to determine the meaningfulness of these “x team talked to x player” reports. Just a thought.

by Pooterius on Jan 26, 2012 4:01 PM CST reply actions

Pioli said last year

that they interview every player at these games.

The fact that the media hears about some of them specifically doesn’t mean too much, I suspect.

"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless

by Tarkus on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I wonder if he asks all the players about the candy wrapper.

by Pooterius on Jan 26, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions

They ask if they'd rather meet Columbus or Shakespeare.

And other stupid questions like that.

"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless

by Tarkus on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

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A: Dani Boatwright

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions

Rather have a peanut and plan M&M

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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by KingChief on Jan 26, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions

Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006

by KingChief on Jan 26, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions

We do have one of those, we call it the draft table.

I imagine Chris is going to get it going here pretty soon. Its one of my favorite things on AP

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by nateforchiefs on Jan 26, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions

almost time to do the Annual Who Have The Chiefs Talked To Chart

I mean really, we have nothing here, unless this is what’s supposed to be our daily …

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM CST reply actions

We need more coordinator updates.

"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless

by Tarkus on Jan 26, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions

Whats going on with Mike Vrabel?

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by nateforchiefs on Jan 26, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions

Not sure

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions

Good time to be upgraded huh?

Now that there is actual work to be done!

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions

Re: Best name

Bacarri Rambo is hands down the best name IMO.

by Bonofied on Jan 26, 2012 4:15 PM CST reply actions

He didn't enter the Draft

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions

Oh my bad

thought he was in this years draft. Either way, best name on the planet.

by Bonofied on Jan 26, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions

amazing 9 out of 10 CBS ranked players are under graduates....Still is the only senior

/no skitzo

by Masons on Jan 26, 2012 4:24 PM CST reply actions

Harrison Smith can fill the role of white safety.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 26, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions

Good article on Smith

http://irish.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/harrison-smiths-long-journey/

Seems pretty similar to Sabby Piscitelli.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 26, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions

Is that the same as a White Sale?

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by Kool TA on Jan 26, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions

I haven't heard any of those names before.

Just get us some good young talent Mr. Pioli.

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by mistamic on Jan 26, 2012 4:42 PM CST reply actions