Bias in the NFL?
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM CST
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This is my first post on Arrowheadpride. I have been a member of this community for about two years now, and I enjoy all of the www.Chiefs.com related information that I recieve on this site. It is getting old talking about who we are going to draft 3 months from now, who our quarterback should and will be, and who our other coaches will be.
So I would like to bring up a topic that I have not seen much of a discussion about on this site. If you will, follow me after the jump.
I can remember watching on at least 3 occasions this year when a play seemed like the call went against the Chiefs, but no replay was shown, and the bad call was allowed to stand because our coaches did not have the opportunity to review the previous play.
I know that people have talked in the past about the NFL having a "big media market bias," but is it actually the media that is in control and has the bias? You decide for yourself, but to me, it just seems like the www.NFL.com is giving too much control to the Media in this aspect. There has to be a fair way to make sure that every team has an equal opportunity to win every game (especially if you need all the help that you can get).
I feel that the media should be required to at least show one replay of every play to avoid the possibility of media bias. At least 3 times this year, a horrible call went against the Chiefs that should not have been called. Is it because we just got a bad brake, or is there more to it than that. You tell me AP.
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Care to explain why you feel there is no bias in the media Craig?
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
Why would the media care?
The NFL is so freaking huge, that there could be a Seattle/Jax Superbowl and a gazillion people would watch. I don’t think anyone cares about big market/small market. For years teams like Indi and GB were the sweethearts of the NFL and they are small markets.
I think if you watched every game every year, shit like that all just evens out. Plus I’m not sure what the media has to do with calls going one way or another. Just because they aren’t shown/reshown on TV, that doesn’t impact the call on the field.
by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
+$9,000,000,000
they get their money regardless of who’s playing … it’s not “The Media” controlling anything on the field
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just like any business, the question is
How can we maximize our revenues. Goodell was extended because of his business model that he designed for the NFL in
2010, projecting 25 billion in revenues by 2017.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to see a Seattle/Jax matchup in the Super Bowl.
Just for the sake of seeing something unexpected.
*Aw come on. Don't leave your Uncle T-Bag hanging. - Dr. Funke
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
They care because
if it is a Seattle/Jax Superbowl, then they won’t have some of the more desirable media markets, like New York and Boston, to cater to. I’m not saying that the NFL is behind all of this, but I am saying that I think the media (Fox, NBC, CBS) cares wheter it is Seattle/Jax in the Superbowl.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
that doesnt mean there controlling the outcome of the game...
Just because they dont show every replay the refs still make those calls on the field, and unless theres reason to believe there paying refs then this makes no sense to me, because weather or not we see a bad call the call wont change once its made. Like it or not the refs are doing there joband its not always easy to make every call right or wrong.
I'm not talking about the refs.
I’m talking about the media affecting the outcome of the games. You don’t think that NBC is happier than “pigs in shit” that this years Superbowl features New York and Boston?
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 1:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
affect the outcome HOW?
about the only they COULD is by “paying off the refs” and I don’t think they are … could there be better ref work? absolutely, but that’s not what’s being discussed here
a year ago it was Green Bay … one of THE smallest markets in the league (if not the smallest) … think about it
how often have the Jets been in the SB? right … see what I mean?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
the networks
Decide which replay to show. The only way the coaches can decide to challenge a call is if they see the right replay.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
the coaches in the booth
See the same replays we do on television, unless they are not shown.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
they see some replays that even WE don't see ... perhaps you didn't realize that
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I do realize this.
Do you realize that they have less of an opportunity to watch it on time before the next play if it is not shown on television.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I go to every game and im pretty sure
that what is shown on screen isnt always the ame or at the same time as what you see on tv, but im at the game and so im not 100% sure.
no, the only way the coaches can decide to challenge is if they see what they think is a horribly bad call
The only way the coaches can decide to challenge a call is if they see the right replay
often they go on the word of their players, sometimes on what their own people “upstairs” in the booth says, other times even just a hunch … in any of those cases, thy toss a red flag and the play is reviewed (and remember not every play CAN be reviewed anyway)
what the networks show after plays isn’t for (or against) the teams or the coaches … it’s for the entertainment of the fans watching on TV, no more and no less
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Also
Human error is a part of every sport when it comes to officiating, but the ability to change the call is left in the hands of the networks who show, or decide not to show, the replay.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention...
These networks have contracts with the NFL that make them billions of dollars anyway… why would they risk messing that up by controlling outcomes of games to make a lil more money. It only hurts them in the long run because the NFL have networks lined up just dying to showcase there games and take that money.
the decision to show the replay or not has nothing to do with the decision on the field by the refs
the ability to change the call is left in the hands of the networks who show, or decide not to show, the replay
the only other option, from your argument, is to stop the game and do an offcial review after every play … not gonna happen
sure mistakes are made, but that’s nothing to do with the media or the networks
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm just saying
That I feel the NFL leaves too much power in the hands of the networks when it comes to showing replays.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So
What happened in 09 , when small market Indy and small market and unpopular New Orleans went to the Super Bowl?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 26, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
The Networks would have a shit fit if that match-up happened.
but I am saying that I think the media (Fox, NBC, CBS) cares wheter it is Seattle/Jax in the Superbowl.
I don’t know about bias, I am in NY and it’s a small market over here, so I wouldn’t have a clue ; )
What I will say is that, Tom Coughlin has a unbelievable record for overturning calls. Does he get extra time to have assistants watch the replay and send down a message? Hmmm…….I say we have Pioli bug the NFL and Network offices to find out!
/no skitzo
Sounds like a plan to me.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 1:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Easy fix
Just like UFC’s motto “don’t leave it in the hands of the judges”
Same in any sport. Do not allow a bad call to lose you a game. In football every single inch matters. Play a good flawless game and you won’t have to worry about the refs ruining a call.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 26, 2012 2:44 PM CST via mobile reply actions
That is a good solution to this problem.
I was just trying to see if anyone thought that the media could affect the outcome of the game.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This isn't meant to reflect the "media"
But when in Arrowhead I can tell if the play or call was questionable. No replay on the big screen. If it favors us we see it multiple times with a zoom in even at times. If no replay. I’m leaning over to my buddy telling him we’re losing the call. I’m sure other teams stadiums do the same so I don’t think it’s unique to our stadium. It’s just funny sometimes.
You Play to Win the game!!!
that’s funny cause i have noticed it in our own stadium, hardly see replays that could help us, but every single play of the opposite team seems to get a replay, esp if it could help them. is a conspiracy i tell ya
by bean the tattoo man on Jan 26, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
some of you are missing the point of this post
Chiefs1 has a good point, i’ve noticed on several occasions where they have not showed replays for the chiefs, but we see every bad call, botched play, etc… for the other team. i fully believe there is biasness in the nfl.
by bean the tattoo man on Jan 26, 2012 3:23 PM CST reply actions
No I get the point of the post.
It’s just rediculous.
There is no bias against or for any team, and I still have NO idea what the hell a replay has to do with anything.
by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Because usually one or two plays decide a game.
The networks control which replays are shown. If they’d prefer a certain team to win a game, then I’m sure they would have the capability to make it happen.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 3:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If a play is questionable...
then coaches and other ppl we pay to make the challenge calls need to handle it. if its not challengable and the team isnt talking to someone afterwards about it then there not doing there job and need to be let go.
WHO CARES?!?!?!!?
Sorry to keep beating this drum but since when does the replay of a close call on network television actually make one lick of difference?
Ed Hocculi: “Well I was going to reverse the play, but CBS didn’t show the replay to the regional audience, so I’m going to keep the play as called on the field”
by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Each team has coaches in the booth who's soul job is to make a decision to challenge plays.
Whether or not CBS or Fox shows it to the world couldn’t possibly be more irreleveant.
by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Because
Not showing the replay on television, if your on defense, gives the offense time to run another play really quick before you have time to see your own replay, since they did not show it on the network.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 4:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
well, seems to me you came in with preconceived notions about this
you made your post, and asked people to give you opinions … but it appears that even though most people disagree with you on this, not much can or will sway you from your belief
you said “You tell me AP” but you don’t seem to want to hear what we tell you, so you’ll go on believing what you want to believe
it’s all good
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I do want your opinions, relax Ups
I just think that since almost all people on here are huge football fans (not a fat joke), that they could be blind to the possibility of this happening. I only have preconceived notions because I like conspiracy theories, and I have also heard sports radio personalities and announcers bring up the notion in the past, from both angles. You seem to feel that there is no chance that this could happen, so you must have your own preconceived notion on this topic as well.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 4:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
curious ... I actually think there's more to 9-11 than what we're told
your thoughts? I have a LOT of unanswered questions about that event … I actually do “buy into” some (not all!) “conspiracy theories” … Oswald was not the only shooter in Dallas is another that I’m convinced of
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm not so sure about the moon landing either.
9/11 seems straight forward to me. Was it not obvious after we invaded Iraq afterwards (mobile sarcasm fail). ;)
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The coaches aren't watching television. It doesn't matter what the network replays.
Both teams have guys that review plays, in their own booth. The replay that is shown on the scoreboard is ran inhouse…. not by the network covering the game.
The media has 0 outcome on the results of a game.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Don't blame the media
We suck because Pioli can’t get talent on this team. period ….cut and dry
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 26, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
I could be wrong
I don’t know for sure, but I would assume that the coaches booth would have access to replays of every play regardless if it is shown on the big screen or on the air to home viewers.
by DMc,JC,TJ-Threeheadedmonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions
this what i thought my own self, so then why isnt it taken advantage of?
by bean the tattoo man on Jan 26, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
if that's the case
I would also assume that maybe a challenge isn’t being made because of a number of different reasons: not a good angle, not enough time to view it, the play cannot be reviewed by the officials, not having or wanting to use a potential time-out, etc.
by DMc,JC,TJ-Threeheadedmonster on Jan 26, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
After some research... I found this...
All NFL teams now have assistant coaches and various assorted personnel upstairs watching the replays on TV. It’s usually these coaches who initiate a challenge, they get a view on TV that the head coach on the field can’t see, and they tell the head coach via headset to challenge the play.
Doesnt say if they have control over there replays...
but I would assume they would at this level of competition, but they have a limited amount of time to make the call b4 the next play obviously. So that can make it hard, and obviously no one is perfect.
They would have more time
if the replay was shown, s what I’m saying. Why, in some instances, do they show the replay, and others they do not.
At least I can still hate the stinking Raiders!
by Chiefs1 on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how does that give em more time the game speed does not slow down for replays...
The guys in the booth are not watching it on tv like you are.
The guys in the booth are not watching it on tv like you are.
I believe the assistant coaches in the booth ARE watching it on live TV. The only people with the ability to select which replay angle to watch is the review assistant.
That doesn’t change much, though. The game is only interrupted by TV timeouts during commercials.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
not all plays are "replay worthy" and in any case teams have the same amount of time between plays on the clock
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Everbody is biased...
for one reason or another. The media makes stars out of people as much, or more so than the fans. These so called “stars” get treated differently than average Joe’s. It can work for the good…protecting qb’s (his good, not ours) or the bad…James Harrison (heck, I’d throw him out myself)
I can think of two cases this year where we nearly got screwed
by the Zebras and both were during the MNF game against the Chargers. The Dex fumble is the first because his behind was firmly on the ground when that ball came out.
The second was a Cassel “non-fumble”. What happened during that was BS as that was a case of the Tuck Rule. I remember that well. We had the damn Tuck Rule overturned on us.
by Casey Byron Adkins on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 PM CST reply actions
By the same token, the PI call on Gates that took a TD off the board was a horrible call too
IIRC (might be thinking of a different play) but the 2 pt conversion also had some grey area as to whether it should have counted. That was just a horribly officiated game both ways. Wasn’t so much bias as incompetence.
"Whenever I walk, people try to hand me out flyers. And when someone tries to hand me out a flyer, it’s kinda like they’re saying, ‘Here—you throw this away.’"
-Mitch Hedberg
and the media wasnt involved in deciding those, they showed the replays...
and the ref still f’ed it up.
pet peeve that I am starting to see way too much on here
brake break
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 27, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions
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Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
... try the veal, I hear it's delicious!
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
You can't force the media to show a replay of every play
no way you’d have time in a hurry up offense.
The booth has the technology...
to call down to the officials before the next snap regardless except if Peyton is running the no huddle. I think third downs, scoring plays and turnovers should be able to be initiated by the booth.
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