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ESPN's Jeff Chadiha on 810

Pretty depressing reports about Cassel and the OC situation...

- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him "I don't think you can win with this guy"

- Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology...in year two

- Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn't new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

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Not from KC, is Chadiha reliable, or a rumor monger?

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
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by severn58 on Jan 26, 2012 10:02 AM CST reply actions  

Rumor monger.

He only just began saying this stuff. Some could be partly true I’m sure, but gotta love these invisible anonymous sources.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:07 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Basically

It’s en vogue to insult Chiefs management, and he’s following suit. I have no reason to respect or listen to him.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

so he takes after us? ;-)
It’s en vogue to insult Chiefs management

in a real sense yeah, nothing new here, other than more of what we all know: Cassel is NOT very good at all (now if Pioli would get on board and re-sign Orton things would look much brighter)

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much.

Except he ignores the limitations on management. I hope Orton is back, but he has to want it too.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:23 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yup
I hope Orton is back, but he has to want it too

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I ain't stuck on Orton, but there did seem to be a big difference in play.

Not just the QB but the guys around him. Hmmmm.

I would definitely like to see fresh blood pushing the QB position, because if not now, then soon, it becomes likely QB is the weak link.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Chadiha

Is 1 of the most respected NFL beat writers in America. I totally trust what this guy says

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 26, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

i love how when a sports reporter says he's talked to sources

unless he tells the whole world who they are (which is never going to happen. remember the two reporters in san francisco who wouldn’t give up their sources and faced jail time because of it? they took the jail time) then the news isn’t credible. chadiha is a respected member of the media who doesn’t have a history of making things up. he only cites what OTHERS are telling him. you can put your fingers in your ears and and scream la la la all you want but i’ll take him at his word since, you know, he has access to people who know these things.

The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells

Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells

by kcguy on Jan 26, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

What is a while?

Two months? Since it’s been clear there were some issues with personell?

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Why do you take this stuff so personally?

If there is a post about a media person saying something negative about the Chiefs, I just know you are going to be in it with guns a blazin’.

At what point do you give some credence to these stories when all these seperate media outlets are all saying the same thing?

by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Who said I take it personally?

I’m trying to give another perspective. I think some sporting journalists here are too idealistic about these national guys.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought it was perspiring

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Boss, I have to agree with craig here

After reading the posts I knew for a fact you’d be here to shoot it down. Just face it man. With so many people saying the same things it’s got to be true. Everything with the Chiefs isn’t always sunshine and rainbows. I absolutely believe what’s said here, even if he doesn’t name sources.

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by TheScootness on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Or I could keep thinking for myself and offer my own opinion.

I mean do we really want this to become a forum full of lemmings?

It’s not like I’m the only guy who has this opinion anyway.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I mean do we really want this to become a forum full of lemmings?

That’s what happens when people believe that everything the Chiefs do and every move they make is positive and attempt to discredit anyone who says otherwise.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Or when people berate someone for doing the opposite.

You apparently don’t understand different opinions and debate about them.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

What’s telling is that you never offer your own opinion or evidence opposing what anyone has said. You immediately try to discredit the person saying it.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I caught a Chadiha interview by mistake. I think I was going to 810 for a Mike Lombardi thing.

Anyhoo, his biases seemed to be pretty close to mine. As I recall, he was pretty nice to Haley, but had some things to say about Pioli and personnel that weren’t very positive.

At the time, a lot of APers pooh-poohed Chadiha, but he sounded like a regular guy, and some of the things he said kind of rang my inner bell, from my take of Haley’s character and my non-take on Pioli’s character. I could tell from Sound FX and the like that Haley might not go over big with some guys, and it could cost him short-term, until he got his guys.

I thought maybe Haley lost the lockerroom, and it DID seem like the players were somewhat relieved to have RAC running things. But if Haley was being harassed, I can see how things would get tense, through no fault of his own. I guess it depends on how much credence you put in the personnel end of it.

There was a semi-blip on the radar the first time Old Man Haley came to Chiefs training camp. What came out was that the trenches just weren’t pro grade. Pioli made what Steve_Chiefs would call “Spreadsheet” decisions, working the waiver wire on OT and OG, in ‘09, but not really accomplishing much, and that, more than anything else, was what’s held back Haley’s squads, imo. Nothing against the guys they had, but not a lot to say for ’em.

Anyhoo, to get back on-topic, I think most of us are just doing good science, when we’re skeptical about unnamed sources, and what they say. It’s not so much a knee-jerk FOR the Chiefs front office thing, so much as it is a burden of proof thing. It’s not that you’re totally FOR the FO, but there’s no real reason to be for anything as unsubstantiated as the negative reports.

By their sheer number (and general tenor), the criticisms are becoming more and more believable, but I’m not jumping on either bandwagon.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem is your opinion is a straight joke

Your opinion has been not that Pioli is great or that he’s easy to work with. The drum you’re beating is that the media is making it up, embellishing stories, or is out to get the Chiefs. Its a constant attempt to discredit the messenger. That’s not an opinion on the matter being discussed.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My opinion is a joke.

Great ad hominem.

Also great straw man. I never claimed this was made up out of thin air, you joke. My claim is that these things are being sensationalized, ie blown out of proportion.

Learn to dispense with the logical fallacies, cause I’ll point them out every time.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You weren’t discussing a topic. You were discussing the person who brought it up.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Jan 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

THIS^

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Chadiha was part of the topic.

How about you address what I say?

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t know why I ever even respond. You’re head is so deep in the sand it’s not any use. Let me know when you’d like to discuss WHAT Chadiha said instead of who or what he is.

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Jan 26, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Look. I can do it too!

I don’ t know why I ever even respond. You’ re
head is so deep in the sand it’s not any use. Let
me know when you’d like to discuss WHAT
I said instead of who or what I am.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So what part are you calling into question?

Chadhia doesn’t have an axe to grind with this team or Pioli. He is just a straight shooter

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Sounds reasonable to me, I’ve been saying this for weeks and weeks

In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti

by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 26, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk about taking things personally.

Sheesh.

First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...

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by SFLChief on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Talk about taking things personally.

Sheep.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Jan 26, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

………..shit.

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Jan 26, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions  

not in here ... please!

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

you're "attacking" the reporter, the source of the story ... rather than the topic of "Halley, Cassel, Weis, Pioli, Chiefs"

you’ve said basically that because it’s Chadiha it can’t be true …

relax, deep breath

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I never basically said that.

And I’m not in a huff.

Read again what I said. Pretty clear. It’s a problem when you try to infer more than I did say. I gave reasons why I think this report is blown out of proportion. Not based on who Chadiha is, but on what happened win loss wise and based on what I perceive to be a prejudice in Chadiha’s reporting.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And if this was an insolated incident you would have a point

But then we remember that someone tried to coin the oh so creative nickname, “Nick barley Wright,” and we’re reminded of your one man vendetta to discredit media members. Shit must be exhausting too. Love the victim card you try to sprinkle in there too.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’ll post my opinion regarding reporters I think are just rumor mongers, muckrakers, and sensationalists. It’s clearly not a one man vendetta, since several others have echoed what I have said, and even said it gasp before I did!

What must get exhausting is getting so up in arms about what I say about a public personality who makes controversial statements.

You’re so hypocritical it’s not even worth taking you seriously, as others have pointed out as well.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

And again, try to discredit the person rather than what they're saying
it’s not even worth taking you seriously

Being taken seriously by some corporate tool wanabe matters not to me. How’s your white toast with the crusts cut off? How’s that sugar free, reduced fat, vainilla ice cream?

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

An empirical observation that you're often a hypocrite IS A REASON that you should be discredited.

Surely you know that there are legitimate things that discredit people, right?

Buhler?

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

How the hell is he a hypocrite?

There isn’t a commenter on here that is less hypocritical, in fact he will keep his opinion to the death, even when he is obviously wrong
(Sanchez being good, Pac10 being the best conference)

by craig in calgary on Jan 26, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I see what you mean. He’s never given an opinion about me either.

I’m so sorry, Craig….

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Well just look a little up the thread craig

HIV says “Problem is your opinion is a straight joke” but a little later he says this “And again, try to discredit the person rather than what they’re saying.”

That my friend is hypocritical.

by Don Piolie's Consigliere on Jan 28, 2012 1:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Case in point.
And this [your support of Kietzman] sums you up to a T.

If you were really so against “discrediting” people, or recognizing biases in what a reporter says, you’d never have said this.

It’s like you can’t connect your moral outrage to what you actually do.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like we've had some censorship so we'll clean it up

I do not try to discredit Keitzman, I in no way think he is a liar or sensationalist. He is just a bland tool.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

There was no censorship.

THe bracket was just to make clear what the context of the conversation was. That’s how citations work.

Obviously you are trying to discredit both myself and Keitzman in the comment.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

My comment was removed....

where I stated that I in no way try to discredit Keitzman. He’s a respected journalist who’s built a solid radio station. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a tool that appeals to a certain white washed demographic.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well there it is, you believe Chadiha is biased

with your bias already in place, you tend to discount what he says because it’s him saying it

if you look at the statements in the initial post without that prejudice (let’s say Joel was posting it, for example) would your response be the same? would you dismiss everything or see it as an “attack” in that scenario, or would you give the statements at least some credibility because it was Joel and you have no (or less) bias?

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

When he says something about Pioli, I don’t take it as seriously.

But I have REASONS I think that way, and I’ve listed a few of them.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

alright, so you admit that you have an anti-Chadiha bias

but separate the comments from Chadiha and judge them on their own merits (or lack of) … and not dismiss because it’s from Chadiha

if the most respected reporter in your mind had said those things, would you dismiss it all out hand and say about him what you’ve said about Chadiha?

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

No. Probably not.

It depends on other circumstances. Like I said, these reporters can get a hive mind.

Why is it so wrong to have an opinion here that supports the organization and puts some modicum of faith in the process, and then questions people that criticize it?

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not wrong to support the organization

by the same token, it’s also fair to question the organization …

He only just began saying this stuff. Some could be partly true I’m sure, but gotta love these invisible anonymous sources

many people use anonymous sources, that in itself isn’t a reason to dismiss or discredit someone

It’s en vogue to insult Chiefs management, and he’s following suit. I have no reason to respect or listen to him

others say the same thing? ok, but that’s also not a reason to dismiss or discredit Chadiha (if anything that would lend more credence to his words)

I suppose my point is that one should look at the media and not the medium … IOW … the content instead of the source (Chadiha) and go from there

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we agree more in principle than you thing. But...
many people use anonymous sources, that in itself isn’t a reason to dismiss or discredit someone

I know. The problem is that anyone can say anything about anything if there’s no credibility that comes with naming your sources. This is what makes the media so interesting, but also so ambiguous and unreliable. With just unnamed sources and no other evidence, no one really knows what’s the truth.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

that's true ... but simply not naming soucrces, in and of itself, isn't always a bad thing
anyone can say anything about anything if there’s no credibility that comes with naming your sources

when Bernstein and Woodward were investigating the Watergate scandal, they often relied on “unnamed sources” … that didn’t make their work untrue or unreliable

they were blasted by the Nixon Administration (and a few others) as being “not credible” simply for not naming their sources (and their sources were very good) and in the end it was their work that uncovered the nasty truth about Nixon … just showing you that unnamed sources aren’t always a bad thing

see :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

Not a cut and dry thing by any means, and I don’t mean to paint it that way.

But with Watergate, there were other pieces of hard evidence other than just anonymous sources.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

true, but there was no way to link it together w/o those anonymous tips

again, the point is that many well-respected journalists do rely on “anonymous sources” for inside information … just as police often rely on anonymous tips about crimes

the job of the reporter is to report, to tell us what’s going on … if they didn’t have some of those “inside sources” they’d never have anything to tell us and we’d never have anything BUT rumor and speculation

this instance isn’t rumor, it isn’t speculation, it isn’t even opinionated … it’s straight up “here’s what I was told, make of it what you will”

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Think of it this way, ups

The one report from Babb on this topic that had real, actual quotes from living, breathing, known sources were people with blatant and obvious bias against the team.

Now other reporters have their own “sources” that no one wants to come here because of a bad environment. Are their sources those same scorned former employees?

You start to see the slippery slope we tumble down once we just give credit at face value.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 26, 2012 3:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

we tend to believe whate we want to believe, no?

that which fits our preconceived notions always feels better than that which is different and makes us uncomfortable, even if true

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Hopefully, we believe what we see with proof and reason. I have very little pre-conceived notions, I don’t judge off of hearsay and rumors, I form my beliefs from extended knowledge of a situation.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Has any awesome coaches turned up on the Chiefs coaching list?

No one is knocking down the door to be part of the Chiefs management team

I hope I am wrong when it is named

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions  

With so many people saying the same things it’s got to be true.

The fact that you think that terrifies me…

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

In General

not just sports journalist related things…

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

What terrifies me is Obama

a Muslim and not an American Citizen became US president.

What Next a Hindu Frenchman American President will declare peace and Surrender America to the Canadians

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, Steve?

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You aren't serious, right?

Right?

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 26, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously dude

Come out from under your rock for once. You could use some sunshine.

by ArrowDread on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Point is, when we were winning, no one was saying this stuff.

Chiefs struggled this year and all of a sudden all this stuff starts coming out. This guy and others are comfortable bashing the management because the team didn’t play as well.

I find it telling that he’s so defensive of Haley, who did not have this team ready and totally screwed up with Palko. I think the guy just has it out for pioli. We’re kidding ourselves if we think these reporters have no agenda they’re pushing.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 10:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

ITS A CONSPIRACY!!

Poor Pioli. Everyones out to get him!

by ArrowDread on Jan 26, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

When have I said I agree with Pioli on everything?

I think the media hate for the guy is out of proportion. But clearly he’s made mistakes, isn’t perfect, and is probably a tool to work with. I bet he did something to Chadiha in the past that pissed him off.

That doesn’t mean he’s hopelessly running the organization into the ground.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

didn't seem (in the above post) that Chadiha was "defensive of Haley" as much as he was donw on Cassel

again, just confirming (with tidbits) what many/most of us have thought for a long time

Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn’t new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

not long after Haley was fired, someone here posted some tweets by Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports (a very respected writer and investigative journalist) and Robinson’s tweets were to the effect that Weis “gave up” on Cassel not long after he (Weis) got here in 2010, and Pioli ended up doing most or all of working with Cassel that year (even while Weis was getting props for “fixing the QB”)

so yeah, nothing NEW here,, just more confirmation of what we’ve already heard

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I don't really see any hate on Pioli here

Sounds like he’s just stating what he’s heard from his sources. And we knew this stuff anyway.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh he's hated on Pioli.

I’ve heard him do it. Maybe not here, but that’s the background I’m approaching this with.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ah

I admit, I don’t listen to him or anything. I’m in MO, but not tuned in to the local KC media. But seriously, this is just stuff we’ve heard in the past. I doubt he’s just hating on Pioli. With multiple sources saying this stuff there’s got to be at least some truth to it.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

"Giving up on Cassel" might mean digitizing his plays.

Trying to program him to make system throws, rather than giving him any authority to exercise his own judgement.

Oddly, that’s kind of what it looked like on the field. It really looked that way when he’d throw hot to a triple-covered receiver, or stumble into the 3-man pass rush, when he could’ve extended the play, as soon as he saw they were only sending 3 (e.g. the Ravens in the WildCard game). Ironically, saw some similar things from Flacco in the New England game, the other day.

I agree with bossmanham that Chadiha seems pretty negative about Pioli. Thing is, if he’s out of line, and not doing due diligence as a reporter, he’s likely to be sued. Deep Throat was the lynchpin of what Woodward and Bernstein were chasing, but they had a LOT of legwork to do, too. If Chadiha’s a pro, he’s checking things and his reports have legs. If not, then maybe he’ll be lookin’ for work, before too long.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

have you heard the latest in the continuing saga?

seems the Chiefs are now refusing to pay off Haley’s contract … similar to what the Raiders did with both Lane Kiffin and Mike Shanahan

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

And it’s entirely possible that Haley crossed the line.

Or that Pioli’s just a stuffed shirt, punking his underlings whenever possible.

Could be that this is the way Clark Hunt wants it to run. An efficient, cut-throat, take-no-prisoners organization.

These are the kinds of stories I hate hearing, regardless of who’s wrong or who’s right. I’m kind of a “They’re all wrong, ‘til somebody’s proven right” guy. It’s turning me off to my Chiefs fan-dom.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I know what you mean, Prof

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

This is why I think Pioli is in no danger of being fired in the next 5 years

barring a total collapse (which is doubtful). Hunt & Pioli see eye-to-eye on how the organization should be run…streamlined and with the money going to the product, and nothing else. Clark is, for lack of a better word, a bean counter…If Pioli or the team’s lawyers come to him & say they have cause not to give Haley the final $3m of his contract, of course he’s going to say ‘go for it’…particularly after Haley tried to give the front office a black eye as a parting gift.

This is all in-line with the supposedly sub-par living conditions at training camp & the policy of forcing parking attendants to pay to enter the stadium. I don’t like it because it comes across as petty and cheap, but that’s the mentality of a bean counter. Honestly though, it could be much worse (as a fan).

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Hard to say. And for all I know, Haley, himself, was the unnamed source

in much of the reporting and league gossip about Pioli. Nothing like a guilty conscience to make you paranoid, and Haley might’ve been unable to keep his lip zipped in “private” conversations. Could be there IS cause for the firing, in the form of a deliberate piece of misinfo (Yeah, they teach that stuff in exec school) planted on Haley, to see if it surfaced and where it surfaced. Great way to find out who’s talking behind your back, that relies on zero technology, and only the loose tongue of the guy you fed the red herring.

I’m not saying this IS what happened, but the available facts are consistent with Haley being unable to contain his discontent, making a play for more say on personnel.

Jerry Jones said something at Senior Bowl about trusting his scouting more than his coaches, because the scouts put in far more time evaluating the prospects than any coach. A coach’s impression from one week @ Senior Bowl shouldn’t outweigh years of monitoring these guys on and off the field for a number of years, by a guy whose only job is scouting.

If I were GM, it’d be like checking homework with a study partner. When everybody agrees, chances are good that everybody’s right, but when somebody disagrees, you re-do your diligence, with a bias towards vetoing the acquisition.

I can see numerous picks that would’ve set ME off as HC, when they so obviously needed help on OL, and have only drafted 2 decent OLs in 3 years.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

For instance, if the ONLY guy Haley said something to was Chadiha in a cell phone convo,

he might conclude his phone was tapped, when it maybe was just the fact that Chadiha was blurting those things out in his reportage that pinpointed Haley as the source. I had a boss, once, who warned me about numerous “nice guys” to avoid confiding in, because they’d failed the test, when he floated a false rumor by telling them something, swearing them to secrecy, and then waiting to see how the story got back to him.

Snakes in the grass, he called ’em.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

No, its started last year when our OC quit in the middle of a playoff run

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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Proof enough right there.

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by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Wanting to take the Florida job might've been KC-related. Might not.

A lot of circumstances, like his boy playing down there, at the same time, also weighed in favor of such a more. Didn’t have to be eagerness to get outta KC, not necessarily. But it did seem weird that it was announced when it was. That wasn’t good. In the NFL, you can’t even talk to a coach until after his season’s over, right?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

From what I thought I understood.. yes

What’s evident is that he couldn’t wait. That’s telling, to me. “Get me the fuk outta here.”

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by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh.

NCAA isn’t bound by NFL tampering rules, AFAIK. And it’s not like Weis could exercise prior restraint, and stop Florida from making him an offer. Besides, a guy can look for work any time he wants. Just not from the NFL to the NFL.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

So eager during a playoff run....

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say Chadiha is repeating the same jargon

we already knew Cassel wasn’t good, now Chadiha is just rubbing it in.

I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf

by Chiefs3188 on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Chadiha is a national guy....

A respected national guy. The idea that there is some media (national and local including local competitors) conspiracy to bring down Pioli is laughable.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think there's some grand conspiracy

Namely because there aren’t that many media people saying the same things. A few local guys and this guy isn’t some widespread prevailing opinion.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

And Lombardi reporting that there was a major rift between Pioli and Haley

He had to be discredited too.

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

True, they're all hacks

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

What about him?

You understand that people in the media copy each other quite often, right? It’s a hive mentality.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh...

I’ve accepted that for a while.

by bossmanham on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

So we lost Weis and Haley over disagreements regarding Matt Cassel?

He is the Alex Smith of KC.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 AM CST reply actions  

Based on stats, he IS Alex Smith

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 26, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Smith is quicker, more elusive, and bigger-armed than Cassel.

While I have to think that having Jim Harbaugh (a plucky QB I always admired, even as arch-nemesis) in his ear definitely gives Smith an edge, I also think that Smith has a better natural toolkit than Cassel. It’s easy to downgrade Smith in your mind, after the ‘9ers were taken out by a very good Giants team, in a very close game. If I’m Jim Harbaugh, I’m a lot happier than RAC is, knowing I just have to go after WR, with an eye peeled to any slipping linemen in the draft.

When I look at the Chiefs, even COPPER looks like a damn good receiver, and I can’t help but have a soft spot for those pesky and annoying suck-for-Luck-ers. It would be nice to have a QB that, when 4 whole seconds ticks off the clock, I KNOW the defense is going to regret it, and I rejoice. It would be nice to have a QB that neatly sidestepped any fat man out-of-control enough to be charging at him, and just use the fat man’s momentum against him, to BUY that 4-second play, instead of watching my guy blindly stumble into the ONE place he should NOT go, while his cave-sitter eyes are picking up a mere 30 degrees of arc, directly in front of wherever his head’s pointed.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions  

My big concern, which I believe many agree, is simply that Pioli is going to keep

pushing for Cassel and has already done so to a point where a guy like Orton sees the signs and is looking elsewhere just because he does not feel that he will get a fair chance to start. I wish Pioli would at least come out and say that the QB starting spot is open competition just like all other positions.

by jcox31mc on Jan 26, 2012 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

The thing with Orton is, if you're going FA QB, there's a lot more competition in the offseason than there was in-season, 2011.

Orton was an emergency pick-up. And there will be more QBs entering the mix, before the draft. Might even be surprised at who comes out.

Not that I think Pioli’s going to chase one, apparently because he’s sold on Cassel.

That tweet or whatever it was, that McClain let slip about Orton, did put Cassel in a bad light, by sneaking it in in the guise of a good light being shed on Orton. Remember that thing about Orton taking him aside and saying “Go here, and I’ll get you the ball.” Like Orton knew exactly how it was going to break down, and where the vulnerability lay. And he was right. So there does seem to be better in-game grasp of the situation. But I think I want a QB who’s more likely to get away from the pass rush, and more likely to see the open man, when the D does a good job of disguising pre-snap, tricking him out of looking for Jerheme Urban, wide-open, 20 yards down the field. I think that’s how I’d try to beat Orton, if I were goin’ up against him. Line up one way and play it another way, like a kung fu fighter training his body in the Tiger and training his mind in the Crane. Looks like Crane. Fights like Tiger. I think when people don’t do what they’re “supposed to do” on defense, Orton might trust his head more than his eyes, or maybe his eyes just aren’t that good.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I can see it now...

KC hired Romeo because he was the best person for this team.
KC let Romeo be the DC because he can handle it.
KC promoted an OC from within to keep continuity with the Offense.
KC didnt bring in any QB competition because Cassel is that good.
KC doesnt bring anyone in from outside because NO ONE WANTED TO COME HERE!!!
Might be true or might be full of crap… Either way it is fun to talk about.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

that's why we're here :-)
Might be true or might be full of crap… Either way it is fun to talk about

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

The whole thing with Haley and Pioli is the fact that they're adversarial, PERIOD, says one or both are bad news, imo.

All I can say for sure is I’d rather have a beer and shoot the shit (or listen) with Haley than with Pioli. I bet Haley’s hilarious when he gets on a roll, with a few drinks in him.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting, I feel the opposite

Everything I’ve read about Pioli leads me to believe that he’s about the most loyal & genuine friend you could have. In ‘War Room" the author spoke extensively about how Pioli would go and visit Dimitrof’s father in the hospital routinely (when the elder was dying of cancer), because Thomas had taken a job out of the region & couldn’t be there. I’ve read other stories of his personal loyalty as well.

As for Haley, I liked a lot of his qualities as a coach, but one thing is that he never seemed genuine to me. I don’t know about his personality beyond the public face, but the persona toward the media always seemed aloof and rehearsed to me.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 26, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw a lot of myself in those media encounters.

Nothing to gain by blurting out a lot of stuff, but having to be ever-conscious of keeping my native openness in check.

But then, Haley’s sarcasm, oiled by a few drinks, is the kind of thing that’d have me ROLLIN’. Plus I’m kind of a scruffy guy, to start with.

You may be right. I can speculate much more widely and unreasonably, thanks to my limited fact set. :o)

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Apparently its not a prime destination for a DC job either. There are only 32 OC and DC jobs in the leagues and still people don’t want to work for Pioli

Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 26, 2012 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

Why would we want a DC from the outside when one of the best in the league is already in-house?

As for OC, I don’t doubt for a minute that outsiders are reluctant. Why sign up to play for a coach who will likely retire in three years?

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Because we just hired an in house guy...

Plus there is plenty to do as a HC that will take away from his gameplanning/video/meeting time. He even said that in an interview at the end of the year. It was ok then because it was 2 teams we faced before and nothing really changed personel wise. Add the normal turnover in the NFL on the team and the D will plenty of new faces. Not saying he cant handle it but bringing in or promoting someone would be the smart way to go…

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

If anything, Crennel's (apparently) short shelf-life is an inducement to an up-and-comer.

The OC would be 2nd in real and apparent authority, after RAC. The personnel acquisition sequence might not have been ideal, but there are quite a few pretty good players, and Pioli’s approach will round out the team, and maintain it, long-term, from what I’ve seen, so far. He just didn’t do enough early in the trenches, and he BLEW the 3rd-rounder on Magee. Better scouting would’ve produced an excellent OG with that Magee pick, and Goff maybe never set foot on the field..

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

What in this report is a surprise?

Cassel sucks and no one wants to work here until Pioli realizes it. Same record been spinning for years.

by ArrowDread on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions  

I wasn't as quick to judge, but i can understand how you feel.

You know when a QB’s special, and ours ain’t.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Very concerning...

if even some of this is true (Pioli backing Cassel to the wall) and we have lost good prospects in the coaching world and FA’s because “word on the street” says that we are going to continue starting Cassel (we know he lacks, and so does the NFL)…we may lose Bowe to a team with a legit QB and Carr may go after more $$$ and a chance to win. It already is very hard to be a Chiefs fan (never even been in the state of Missouri), and this type of proganda would make it even harder. Wow, just wow….

by KCfosho on Jan 26, 2012 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

Cassell sucks!

GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!

by chief913-816 on Jan 26, 2012 12:34 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

source? ;-)

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Film Archive

2009-2011

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Mr. & Mrs. Cassel

1982-

"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute

by severn58 on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe him...

but, why should this piss off anyone or make us think the future is not bright or vive-versa. Matt Cassel has serious limitations, go figure. The people who say Pioli is married to Cassel, due to his ego, loyalty, or ignorance are irrational. Pioli isn’t going to show his hand, but I would bet my life he is going to make a play for a QB in free agency be it Manning, Orton, or Flynn.

He is just hinting Cassel will be the guy because if those plans all go to shit then we are stuck with Cassel. The trade up for Griffen would be too expensive and the other 3 viable QBs in the draft (Tannehill, Foles, Weeden) will not be ready to lead this team to a division title. This is why Pioli hates leaks and info getting out, it really does no good to help your football team. PR, yeah, but winning isvall that counts.

by Crown Chief on Jan 26, 2012 1:27 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Oh boy....

I really, really, really, really hope you’re right on this.

by Special K on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Straight to Pioli's Ears

there is no way Pioli does not have a minion reading the thoughts of the best Chiefs Fans in America and reporting back every AM

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

heh. No lie.

We’ll see how it plays out.

If Pioli lands QB out of the blue in FA, then we’ll look at recent events a little differently.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

And Rec’d.

Information like this is all based on the spin we (or long-time anti-everything-NE guy like Chadiha) put on it. Maybe Matt Cassel ends up “the guy” next year…but you can be damn well sure they’re working on upgrading the QB position as much as is possible. Right now, the options are extremely limited and complicated at best. Unless Manning falls into our laps or some other option materializes, it may be Cassel for another year. You can bet if Cassel doesn’t have a 2008/2010-like year (with what should be an immensely improved offense, even compared to that year), then there is no way he’s here another year after that.

by cheapham on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking about looking at Chadiha's history of his story angles

Does he in fact have a long time anti-New England bias???

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 26, 2012 3:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I could be wrong about that

I do know he has been ragging on Pioli for a long time though, and I seem to remember him leaning into the Patriots connections pretty strongly in one of these 810 interviews last year.

He talks about Pioli as if the guy picked on him when they were kids though…it’s kinda crazy to me. Feels unprofessional, like there is some unspoken genuine animosity there that impacts everything Chadiha has to say about him.

by cheapham on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

OR

Chadiha is just telling what he has heard from numerous sources.

He doesn’t have to say shit on Kansas City Radio since he is paid by ESPN anyways.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Chadiha's message is that Pioli's exec of the year stuff was pure fluff.

That he just did what Belichick told him.

If Pioli was a mastermind in New England, then it’ll show in KC STAYING at the top, once they GET there. So far, I’d say Belichick’s had good staying power, although his teams seem cobbled-together. But you see that he understands bein’ bigger ‘n’ anybody quicker and quicker ‘n’ anybody bigger.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean...

- He revealed that Haley told him that his father, Dick Haley (famous Steelers personnel man), upon watching Cassel practice told him “I don’t think you can win with this guy”

Pretty easy to verify… “Mr. Haley, can the Chiefs win with Matt Cassel?” True until proven otherwise. Doubt he would just make the shit up out of thin air.

- Was told by a source within the Chiefs that he trusts that Matt Cassel was still mistakenly calling out plays using Patriots terminology…in year two

Again, just don’t see why people would make this kinda shit up.

- Was told that Weiss was not a Cassel fan at all (I know this isn’t new, but yet another source confirming what we already know)

The Cassel fans are the minority around here, and with good reason. Like the comment above, Chiefs film, 2009-2011. More bad than good. Nothing new.

- Was informed by multiple sources around the league that the Chiefs OC job is not a prime destination because of the atmosphere created by Pioli, lack of confidence in the staying power of Romeo and the fact that Cassel is the QB

Clearly, the Chiefs OC job is NOT a prime destination. Ain’t no one knocking down the door. Whether it’s because of Cassel, the work environment, or the fact that we’ve had how many OCs in 3 years, and none have stuck? We went 10-6 and made the playoffs with Weis and he STILL didn’t want to be here. Say what you want about his better situation in Florida (which clearly was bullshit, because he’s gone yet a year later). If he believed in what we were doing, and believe we could get to the promise land, he’d be here. He didn’t, and with good reason. He’s seen what success is, and the process to go about it, the pieces you need for it, and what was going in KC clearly was not it. “DEUCES!”

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 8:00 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

of course it's not a desired location for coaches ...

who the hell wants to pick up candy wrappers, right? ;-)

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by upamtn on Jan 26, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Allegedly.

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jan 26, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

heh. Nice rant.

It will be easy to find someone who wants such a prestigious job – one heartbeat away from the president, as it were.

But yeah. Dysfunction will turn candidates away.

It’s hard to tell, now, but in a year or two, we’ll see what the temperature is. MIGHT be that things run more smoothly without Haley. Might be that personalities evaporate, just with that one move.

Chadiha’s been saying pretty much the same things, right along. And outward events seem to bear him out. Certainly I’ve scratched my head (OK, pulled my hair) at some of Pioli’s moves, to date. Like I’ve said a LOT of times, I think I’d be a full year – maybe two – of Pioli’s plan, with regard to the trenches. It’s ironic, how slow I’ve been to pass judgement on Cassel, when I never would’ve spent that 2nd-rounder on a FA QB in the first place. So in my world, Cassel wouldn’t be a Chief, and there’d be one (likely two) more young OLs and one (maybe two) more young DLs/LBs/TEs, each.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah. Take care of that other stuff, and cast a wide net late and in UDFA for HB.

I think you quickly find an OL-HB combo that works very well, if your focus is on the OL, itself.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 28, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

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