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can't see it happening, Steve ... esp not that cheaply

I mean really, we’re not that far off from being ready to go … 1 or 2 in FA and a GOOD draft, re-sign our own guys and we SHOULD have this division locked up for most of the decade

if we trade away draft picks right and left and have a “fire sale” just for one guy, it’s almost like gutting the building to do a remodel job and having little leftover to do it with

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 5:49 PM CST reply actions

We won't know (probably ever)

if we don’t try.

Just exploring under every rock and Security Camera to see what we could do.

If we try.

We have no idea what Chuckie wants to do with his new ball club, cept Win early and often

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions

always a lofty goal :-)

Win early and often

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions

Romeo's plan also

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions

We need a guy to lead us to the promise land.

Cassel ain’t that guy.

by Mr.Pibbs on Jan 25, 2012 5:54 PM CST reply actions

oh, you want THIS guy!

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions

He sorta had a Carl Peterson plan to get there though

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions

which ended up as a movie ...

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions

I was thinking more

The Chinese Candidate

5 year plans ad-infitum

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions

Dorsey, Cassel and Bowe + our 1st for thier 1st

then get one of the many FA recievers to replace Bowe, start Bailey in Dorseys place and draft a RT in the second round (theres a few good ones valued in the 2nd) pick up OG in FA, keep reloading DL and depth in the draft…..betcha thought I forgot about Cassel, not.

by KCfosho on Jan 25, 2012 6:05 PM CST reply actions

We cannot trade Bowe

unless we re-sign him first.

IF the Colts cut loose Manning they have 28 Million dollars in cap to pay other players.

Happily the Chiefs also have close to 30 Million dollars in cap to spend too.

So with fewer needs and just as much money to spend, we could go all in in 2012

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions

yeah but ...

if we trade Bowe we have one less #1 WR for WHOMEVER to throw to … and if we trade out top picks we have less elite talent to protect WHOMEVER … and if WHOMEVER doesn’t work out we have awhile to wait to correct the situation

see what I mean?

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions

Bowe is not on the roster now

and we don’t know if he is coming back.

I understand what you are saying as the point of the post is that we are going to take a step back to hopefully move forward (BIG TIME)

The Status quo is barely keeping us Playoff calibre

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions

I totally disagree

There is no status quo…the franchise has shown continued improvement since Pioli and Haley came. Adding Romeo was huge. Adding Breaston was huge. The last 15 guys on our roster are better than the ones there 3 years ago

We are barely playoff calibre because we had to climb out of a deep hole…but we are still climbing

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 25, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel will keep us perpetually a near playoff calibre team

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 7:56 PM CST up reply actions

We don't need to be San Fran to win in this weak-ass division

We can certainly make the playoffs with Cassel, continued defensive improvement (I see no reason why we DONT improve with a full offseason), and a good running game.

Hell, we couldn’t have beat the Steelers withOUT that running game and all the holes.

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jan 25, 2012 9:15 PM CST up reply actions

you mean....like the Raiders?

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions

Build the team first...

and we will be a qb away…like the Jets, or Ravens. I’d rather sign Orton, build the o-line where it gives him “Brady” time, and watch us score 30 a game.

by 12t on Jan 25, 2012 6:20 PM CST reply actions

this ^^^

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 6:22 PM CST up reply actions

Agian Orton is not on the team either

we could wait for 2013 and hope that a QB we like is there or simply reach out and make it happen now.

Opportunity Costs

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

Romeo only signed for 3 years that theory creates confusion and chaos .

Why signed Romeo if we are gonna take a qb that is gonna take years to develop ?

Why keep Matt for one year if we are only gonna start all over next year by taking a rookie in which would create a situation where would have to decide to extend or allow Romeo to be a lame duck coach based on the play of a rookie QB ?

Give Romeo the QB he wants if its Orton so be it and then you play out the three years and draft a QB that coincides with whatever new coach we bring in after Romeo .

by Willie Beamon on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions

Until the O-Line is fixed it will not matter WHO the QB is.

Orton, Cassel, Manning, Luck, RGIII….they will ALL be running for their lives with our current O-Line. THAT is why I would let Orton walk, draft G / T in this years draft, let Cassel get beat up until the line has time to ‘gel’.

Once the O-Line is DONE, then we can trade the farm to move up and get a “Franchise QB”.

by DivineGrace on Jan 26, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions

Willie has a good point though

We are going to force Romeo to start a rookie in his 2nd year of a three year contract

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 8:27 AM CST up reply actions

Did you know Orton and Cassel have the same Sports Agent?

do you think that guy is going to want to lose money by having both his clients vying for the same job?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

Interesting...

Maybe we should cut Cassel now. What is the worst that can happin’, we start Stanzi. Trade Cassel for a TE…

by 12t on Jan 25, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions

yep, I heard it here in a thread

Since Wichard’s passing, many of his former clients have found new homes with different agencies. Calais Campbell signed with Ben Dogra and Tom Condon of CAA. As did Antonio Cromartie. Jamaal Anderson switched to Lagardere Unlimited. Now Jimmy Clausen has finally changed agencies, and has selected David Dunn of Athletes First. Other quarterbacks represented by Athletes First include Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub, Aaron Rodgers, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, Matt Cassel, and Matt Hasselbeck – quite a list.

http://www.sportsagentblog.com/2011/06/02/jimmy-clausen-signs-with-david-dunn-of-athletes-first/

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions

We'll always be building then...

Especially when bunk ass QBs like Orton and Caassel are playing. As long as they’re in the OL will never appear to get any better.

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by Tomahawk29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions

one would argue that with Orton and his only being sacked once that the Oline appeared to be much better with him behind center

by Willie Beamon on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions

Speaking of the Pats great OL...

What happened to them in 2008?

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by Tomahawk29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions

Can't rec this Steve...

The pic is too disturbing. Why does the guy have a purse? Stealin’ womans’ money?

by 12t on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM CST reply actions

Dude is pulling his/her GUN

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

I agree should have went another way with the pic.

had me scared to scroll down any further.
No way give up kendrick lewis the guy is a stud and a great pick by pioli.

by the great thunderlips on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

Coinage for another great Pick by Pioli

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

I liked that

Actually

Made yall wonder!

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions

Unconditional Guarantee...

I Andrew Luck, AKA, “The chosen one”, hearby guarantee all those considering taking me #1 to never get injured, always perform at an elite level regardless of those around me, and bring you the glory of a S.B.
Sincerely, Andrew Lottsa Luck

by 12t on Jan 25, 2012 6:46 PM CST reply actions

Luck does look good in Red

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions

I would absolutely throw a try at the Colts for this

I would want to keep Bowe, but if its him or a franchise QB, the answer is obvious.

However, the Colts chances of giving away Luck is much lower than them giving up Peyton. I think one of two things happens in Indy: they keep Peyton, at least this season, and draft Luck, or they release Peyton (or Peyton retires), and they draft Luck.

I just can’t envision a scenario of them not drafting Luck

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 7:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions

yah, my guess is Peyton is a former Colt very soon

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions

I can agree

But the clock is running now on Pag’s head coaching career.

A QB is not the only position of need for the Colts. The New GM also has the clock ticking and a QB without a team looks like the 2010 Colts.

It very well might cost more but Scotty better check out what it would take. That actually is his Primary Task after all

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 PM CST up reply actions

ok, then there's this ...

doesn’t HE need his own QBotF? and if so, wouldn’t that be Luck? he’s brand new (as is the GM) so he should have a 2-3 year “grace period” no?

I imagine Pioli has checked, or will … but it’s not like him to pull off trades like that, I think he covets more, not fewer, draft picks

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions

Belichick does too

and then he never pulls the Trigger on what he has stored all that potential fire-power for.

When was the last Patriot Super Bowl WIN?

with an elite QB

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions

Those draft picks mean little to nothing without an elite, in this day and age

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 9:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

without an elite QB

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 9:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

yeah, Baltimore and Frisco got to the Conference Finals with "elite QB"

ummmmmmmmm … no

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions

But did they make it to the Super Bowl?

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

yawn

sorry, I do tire of the same old same old more easily than I used to :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions

What was the last mediocre QB to make the super bowl?

Grossman?

I’m just saying, there really is no point in stockpiling draft picks if you don’t have the one player that is most likely to get your team to the postseason and beyond

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 10:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

Luck: Being prepared when an opportunity presents itself (not to be confused with Andrew Luck).

You stockpile draft picks so when the opportunity to get a “Franchise QB” presents itself (once you have all other pieces in place…like O-Line, WR’s, RB’s) you can trade up to “get your man”.

We are not prepared (yet)…If we get DeCastro and Mike Adams in this years draft (and can ‘stockpile’ a few picks) THEN we can move up in a draft (2013) and get our “Franchise QB” (If Stanzi is not that guy already….which with the right players around him…I think he just might/could be).

by DivineGrace on Jan 26, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions

Lots of people don't want to pay for a franchise quarterback.

So, how do we get one? They don’t grow on trees. They are seldom found low in the drafts. We either have to suck to get a first pic, or we have to negotiate for one. So, what’s it going to be?

by Mr.Pibbs on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM CST reply actions

The fallacy of false choice

You listed two options as if they were the only two possibilities.

Another exists…develop your own mid to late round QB

Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl

by PVChiefsfan on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions

That is the Pink Pony

or the Red Herring that GM’s that have no “Balls” rely on

Go Big or Go Home

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions

Ya, that develop your own mid to late round QB stuff NEVER works out.

Just ask Houston

Lets face it, there is no one in the Chiefs orginization who has ever taken a QB after the first round and won a Super Bowl….amiright?

by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions

You are

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions

Ok. I have to ask.

What does stripping and gay cowboys have to do with the Chiefs needing depth and a QB??!?

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by Tomahawk29 on Jan 25, 2012 7:51 PM CST reply actions

Do you know this man?

Why the dispersions on his character?

We all have to make a living

:)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions

my goodness...cassel dorsey...ok....but getting rid of kendrick lewis? why the heck would we do thaty

id rather give up 2 more 3’s than surrender lewis. hes a huge part of our secondary.

send all the picks plus dorsey you want

Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt

by SDChief on Jan 25, 2012 7:51 PM CST reply actions

More about available capitol to spend then spending all of it

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions

I would be willing to bet anything there's

nothing any team could offer the Colts to get that 1st pick, well maybe NE if they offered Brady and some picks. Colts wont be trading that pick for anything, imo

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 8:07 PM CST reply actions

Sadly True

But lets give the new GM a call and see :)

and then we can Call St. Louis and see what the 2nd pick would cost.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldnt mind if we tried for the 2nd pick

but I think teams like Washington will be willing to throw alot more picks to move up there then we will, I say we fix oline and draft for depth this year, then next year make a huge push for whoever they think the best qb is coming out

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions

I mainly was thinking that trading up is not an insurmountable thing to do

and we have chips to play in this 2012 draft to get there

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions

nice

I like this route I would be happy with luck even tho I truely believe RG3 will have a better career imo legs help I fell lucks legs might become an issue in a few years like rivers but still so much upside with him just keep him upright and off his back so either way we do need that future QB

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