Looking At The Timeline For Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Carr Contracts

by Joel Thorman on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM CST

We've had several people ask if there's any updates on the status of Kansas City Chiefs free agents Brandon Carr and/or Dwayne Bowe. The answer, as it has been for a while, is no. There aren't any updates. The Chiefs have surely approached the reps for both players to hammer something out but I don't know where they stand in that process.

And I don't expect an update on those two anytime soon. At least not for a few more weeks.

That's because the players only real leverage here is the threat that they could leave via free agency. Are the Chiefs more likely to offer the best deal in January, with free agency seven weeks away? Or in March, with free agency only days away? Thus it may not make sense for Carr and/or Bowe to flesh out a contract ASAP when they may not have maximum leverage. And maybe one of those guys, if they're not franchised, would want to at least test the open market first, which would delay the process even further.

The first date in which the franchise tag can be applied is February 20 and it has to be used by March 5 so if one of these guys is going to get the tag it has to be within that window. Free agency starts on March 13.

I think/hope the Chiefs get something done with these guys. But I think it's gonna go down to the wire.

(Now watch, after I write this, they'll sign 'em both this week.)

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If that happens, write an article on how the Chiefs won't win the Super Bowl any time soon

(Now watch, after I write this, they’ll sign ’em both this week.)

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions

or how we wont ever find a franchise QB

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions

Or how tickets are too expensive

"Whenever I walk, people try to hand me out flyers. And when someone tries to hand me out a flyer, it’s kinda like they’re saying, ‘Here—you throw this away.’"
-Mitch Hedberg

by DanielH123 on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions

right!

we need a QB very very bad like someone named RG3 I say sign Carr tag and trade bowe and a our 1st rd pick to stl snag our QB for the next 15 years and win 3 superbowls during that span

by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM CST via Android app up reply actions

what, pull a madden...

and win the superbowl all 15 years… sry other 31 teams, Im selfish, but if you ask nicely ill allow us to only go 14 of next 15…

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by Akr_Baby on Jan 25, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions

some people are just greedy, yanno?

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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

at this point i'd settle for just a playoff win

out of every team i root for this one is just the most depressing

by mightymosdefinition on Jan 25, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

what?

there ARE no “other teams”"

by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

He's probably talking other teams from other sports...

2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: CB Kirkpatrick/G DeCastro 1st rd, WR Wright/OT Adams or Sanders 2nd rd, QB Foles/ILB Messina 3rd rd, ILB Messina/OT Oglesby 4th rd, TE M. Williams/RB I. Pead 5th rd, RB L. Dunbar 6th, S G. Iloka 6th/7th FA Signings: NT Poliai or Hill, Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon, Belcher. Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions

what

I said 3 superbowls in 15 years I’m not crazy 15 out of 15 years I’m with you I’d just love a playoff win but if we make those moves I think it is very possible

by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 11:57 AM CST via Android app up reply actions

Bowe's Agent?

Didn’t D-Bowe change Agents last year? If I’m not mistaken he is using Drew which means he’s going to be looking for the biggest contract available.
If it comes down to Carr Vs Bowe give me Carr everyday of the week especially when Vincent Jackson and Reggie Wayne will be available.

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by doriang03 on Jan 25, 2012 11:09 AM CST reply actions

Bowe should be looking for the biggest contract available

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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

He'll get a ton of money, no doubt.

My gut feeling is that it will be somewhere else, though.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Jan 25, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions

If that happens, it will be because the Chiefs traded him for picks

The Chiefs have a few options.

Sign Bowe and Carr.

Sign Bowe, franchise and trade Carr.

Sign Carr, franchise and trade Bowe.

It would be hard for them to really lose in this , I’m hoping that they sign both of them, but the possibility to add draft picks is enticing as well.

No matter what, it should be fun to follow once the info finally comes…

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions

Or they could franchise Carr...and watch Bowe walk off into the sunset.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I don't think they will Franchise either of them

until the other is signed…

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

Why dig a hole like that?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

I agree

But, I don’t know if Pioli does.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

all of these past contracts gives me some faith in Pioli in this area

Jamaal Charles signed on for some six feet bubble tape bubble gum and Elvis Costello mix tape…

he managed to sign Tamba Hali after that ridiculous Charles Johnson contract for less money, this is the one area where it is easy to have faith in Pioli.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

I definitely agree with you.

This is one of Pioli’s plus sides.

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by GaryfromIA on Jan 25, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

If one is determined to walk and opposed to signing a contract with the Chiefs

that is the one you franchise.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

they wont let him just walk

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions

echo

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

they won't let him just walk

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Jan 25, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

echo

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

they won't let him just walk

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Jan 25, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions

At a certain point

Is there much of a difference between 9 million dollars a year and 10 million dollars a year?

If I get a choice between a place I really don’t want to work and a place I’d really like to work, a 10% diffference in salary isn’t going to be the biggest factor.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

But how can you feed your family on only $9 million

you need that extra million for groceries

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by KingChief on Jan 25, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

Only difference is

About a million dollars a year :)

by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

11% isn't trivial

These guys have a limited window to earn and in many cases are trying to support many people. The teams can and do cut them at the drop of the dime, so players should be trying to squeeze every dime possible out the team.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 25, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions

That's a solid point

Guarantee money is always the primary factor.

Given Bowe’s history of not getting hurt, I wouldn’t have a problem showing we’re willing to drop as much or more guaranteed money than another team.

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 25, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions

That's one less

Chrsyler 300M with 24’s on it…

Among other things like jewelry and shoes

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by GaryfromIA on Jan 25, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions

Depends on how much family you're taking care of

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 25, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions

Agents work for players, not the other way around.

If he wants his agent to get him the most money possible, he’ll do that. If he wants him to get him the best possible contract with the Chiefs, he’ll do that.

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by Tarkus on Jan 25, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions

^ This

And we have no real way of knowing if Bowe even wants to stay here.

My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.

by Scott B. on Jan 25, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions

Who wouldn't want to stick around with Pro-Bowler Matt Cassel throwing you balls?

Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.

by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

That's possibly the biggest concern with Bowe's contract talks.

If he could go play with a better QB… would he take less money for a better shot at the ring?

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

You mean the guy

who helped put him in the Pro Bowl last year?

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by Tarkus on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

He was on the pregame show for the Bama vs LSU game.

stated he wanted to stay in KC.

Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.

by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions

So it must be true

money talks in the sports world

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by KingChief on Jan 25, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions

in other words, for the next month or more, this will be like the Daily OC/DC Updates ... No Gnus

by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 11:10 AM CST reply actions

What's so bad about that?

I was always told that no gnus is good gnus.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe

Pioli is waiting to see what happens with Manning before signing any big contracts

by badassz1987 on Jan 25, 2012 11:16 AM CST reply actions

Maybe everyone is waiting for Manning's head to fall off before giving up on that fantasy.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

LOLOL

by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions

Manning drops back, looks downfield ... his head falls off, and now there's a flag! let's see what the referee has to say about it ...

“there is no flag on the play, the whistle was blown to allow the player to reattach his head … please reset the play clock to 7:45 … it is still 3rd down”

by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

Lego Madden?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs

I would not sign Bowe long term

He has maturity issues now imagine what he will be like after getting 35mil guaranteed. Focus on Carr and franchise Bowe maybe move him via trade before the draft, sign V-Jacks and lets go lose another playoff game next year

South Side D

by doriang03 on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

I had to update my draft sig

I think Carr is still the bigger priority over Bowe, only because I think we would have to take a 1st or 2nd round CB to replace him. Brown might be the answer, but he might not.

The issue of not signing Bowe is if the Chiefs don’t… what makes us think they will spend money on another WR in FA? Unless that’s the plan all along. We do need more speed at WR.

Most of all, we still need beef for the OL and a QB.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:30 AM CST reply actions

I think Brown is going to turn into a pretty good corner

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions

I feel good about him being Carr's replacement.

I’d roll the dice on it. And as much as I like DeCastro… if the Chiefs went out and signed a G in FA instead… I’d be okay with that. The FA Gs are much more prolific than FA®Ts. Sign a G, Draft a RT. If they get it done before the draft, I can see that 1st round pick being a surprise to everyone. Someone like Hightower, Richardson or even a Burfict.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions

Interesting... that should be FA RTs. The R was supposed to be in parentheses.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

I kind of like it

"Whenever I walk, people try to hand me out flyers. And when someone tries to hand me out a flyer, it’s kinda like they’re saying, ‘Here—you throw this away.’"
-Mitch Hedberg

by DanielH123 on Jan 25, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions

You are just finding clever new ways to write fart

kudos…

I don’t want to lose Carr, but I do think Brown will develop into a good player once he learns the ropes. He has all the tools in the world.

Those Stanford lineman scare me… they are playing in front of a QB that people want to give up 109 draft picks for and are a tandem.

Who is the Peppers? Who is the Sims?

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions

Yeah, that's why I could see going after a G in FA.

I was looking a Brisiel from the Texans. Maybe the 4-5th best G in FA. Good in a ZBS if we’re going to stick with that.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions

Actually, now that I look at it...

That whole sentence with FA®Ts in it is pretty hilarious if you read it at face value. It was obviously not meant the way it looks.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed

I would however argue that the opposite is actually true.

"Whenever I walk, people try to hand me out flyers. And when someone tries to hand me out a flyer, it’s kinda like they’re saying, ‘Here—you throw this away.’"
-Mitch Hedberg

by DanielH123 on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

Oh yes... I think FA(R)TS are more prolific.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions

Cough up the cash, Clark

by ArrowDread on Jan 25, 2012 11:34 AM CST reply actions

I think Bowe gets the franchise tag.

Carr will either get a long term deal or he will be gone.

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by saskwatch on Jan 25, 2012 11:40 AM CST reply actions

Why draft them if you aint gonna pay them?

by ArrowDread on Jan 25, 2012 11:43 AM CST reply actions

Unless the Chiefs are building for a trade up.

There is zero reason not to keep both.

Cough up the cash Clark… agreed.

Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts

by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions

Because sometimes when you're from NE... you draft players.... find the studs...

And trade them for 73 draft picks. Because we love MOAR DRAFT PIKKS!

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

Patriot way= exploit cheap labor

by ArrowDread on Jan 25, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

You should take up a collection for their poor players.

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by Tarkus on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions

I say why not

if you can draft a guy in the 3rd, turn him into a stud then get 4 draft picks for him, meanwhile you keep winning, then why the hell not do it

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions

Because the only real reason that this is an option is when you have

TOM BRADY! My god people, he is the constant there and the reason that they are always in contention. Look they got him in the late rounds and could have traded his ass for 3-4 first round picks. Did they? NO, because that would be f*cking retarded. The franchise QB is what people need, everyone else is a role player. This is why we all need to be pissed that this franchise has no real want to go out and get a franchise QB. Sickening

by readANDgold58 on Jan 25, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

I think Brady is the best QB in NFL history but...

they also went 11-5 the year he was hurt, so it must not be all him that makes them win….just sayin

by banshee_01 on Jan 25, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

Brady (Franchise QB) + Offensive System = Super Bowls

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions

Cassel (Backup QB) + Offensive System = 11-5

2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.

by Falcon58 on Jan 25, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions