Thinking outside the box Chiefs Mock Draft
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM CST
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PrintThis draft Pioli pulls, well, a Pioli. Our best option since Pioli wont trade up for RG3 is to trade down, at this point I am not going to predict that happens although the Bengals make a great trade partner.
"With the 12th pick in the 2012 draft, the Kansas City Chiefsselect......Mark Barron, strong safety University of Alabama".
Lets wake up and smell the coffee, this team is not being built to be the Patriots unless we luck into Tom Brady 2.0, were being built to be the Ravens(everyone keeps looking over that Pioli spent 6 years in the front office of the Browns/Ravens with Ozzie Newsome, Belicheck's original wingman).
Barron allows us to slide Eric Berryto FS and with the resigning of Brandon Carr we have the baddest secondary in the NFL that allows us to clamp down and with another year of experience for Justin Houston blitz even more. We will need it with our new OC late of the Dolphins, Browns and Patriots Brian Daboll.
So our draft is:
#11/12 Mark Barron SS Alabama
#44 Zebrie Sanders OT Florida St
#76 Chris Polk, RB Washington
#110 (?) Brandon Weeden QB OK State
#144(?) Rhett Ellison, TE USC
#180 Akiem Hicks, DT/DE Blame Canada
#216 Chris Galippo, ILB USC
Depth Chart:
QB-Ricky Stanzi to replace Matt Cassel by week 4, while we have beefed up our offense and our defense plays well enough where 20 pts wins a game give him a shot, Weeden to compete as well.
FB-Shane Bannon/Jackie Battle, long story short LeRon McClain is going to Denver, I will exp later in the year when it happens.
RB-Jamaal Charles, Chris Polk, Dexter McCluster, Jackie Battle
TE-Tony Moeki, Ellison, His holiness
WR-Dwayne Bowe/Marques Cholston, if Bowe wants to go back to LousyAna let him, we have $50 mil under the cap to get a comparable wr.
WR-Healthy Hands Baldwin
Slot-Steve Breaston, depth at all 3 Haleys 22 guys off the street
RT-Zebrie Sanders, Maneri/Richardson/O'Callagahan winner
RG-John Asamaoah
C Chris Myers, need to sign hiom to get a vet to anchor our line
LG Rodney Hudson, take him to Gates to beef him up
LT Branden Albert, Sanders
NT-Brandon McKinney, Jerrel Powe, Amon Gordon, NT Akiem Hicksby comittee continues
DE Tyson Jackson-Hicks
DE Glenn Dorsey, would love to use Dorsey as trade bait to a 4-3 team, Gordon and Bailey provide depth
OLB Justin Houston, Andy Studebaker
OLB Tamba Hali, Cameron Sheffield
ILB Derrick Johnson, Chris Galippo
ILB Justin Siler, Jovan Belcher
SS Mark Barron, Jon McGrawful/Donald Washington winner
FS Eric Berry, Kendrick Lewis
CB Brandon Carr, Jalil Brown
CB Brandon Flowers, Javier Arenas, Travis Daniels
If everyone stays healthy and we have just the slightest amount of imagination on offense and actually hold Sacred Cow Matt Cassel accountable 10 wins is possible, especially with Steve Hoffman gone, get off the post season snide too, probably not SB but Pioli needs something to save his hide with only one year left on his contract and no extension in sight.
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I dont really see the point in drafting Barron
we are already starting Berry and Kendrick Lewis. The talent, skill, and potential these two bring is probably very high compared to other starting safeties in the league. Our O-line is lacking and could stabilize with a very talented offensive lineman next to Albert, Asamoah, and Hudson
Also
Kendrick Lewis is ok, but a Berry-Barron combo trumps Berry/Lewis and Lewis gives us great depth.
RT’s can be found in 2nd/3rd rd. Our o-line looked worse than what it is because of a lack of playmakers and a hc in dire need of having his head removed from his posterior.
Carpe Diem
First round picks should not be used to upgrade positions of no need
Unless it is a transcendent player who is FAR AND AWAY better than any other player available. Which Barron is not.
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First round picks should be BPA all the way, and if that player happens to play a position that you are set at then so be it.
"If you havin' dragon problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 arrows but my knee took one."
So if somehow, someway, the Packers had acquired the number 1 pick
They should take Luck?
Or if by the time the Pats pickt the BPA is a NT, do they take him?
It shouldn’t be JUST BPA or JUST “need.” It should be some combination of both, depending on the extent of the need and the ability of the player.
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No, the Packers should trade the pick but that isn’t the same thing and you know it. Luck is a the best QB prospect in a while and if you don’t need him then you can trade him for a king’s ransom—the same can not be said for other, mid-round players. And I do agree that BPA shouldn’t be the only thing but only if the talent level between the BPA and the next player (who would fix a need) isn’t that massive.
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IOW first round should be BPA at PON
yes?
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then it ain't Best Player Available
sorry last few days I figured this one out
Position of Need negates Best Player Available in vision
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think it should be the best player available unless you have elite talent at that position
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it can't be both?
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That's fair
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Haha, it looks like it
But it’s probably a reply-fail to andrew33.
You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?
tell ya what, Orton instead of Cassel ... DeCastro instead of Barron in the first, and Antonio Allen instead of Polk in the thrid and I'm down with it
i don’t agree with ALL of it, but props for the work! nice job …
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Don't agree with all
however, you make some nice points. I’d rather draft OL in the first. Our secondary isn’t the first place we need to work on fixing so there more pressing needs that should come first
Destination of this Mock is OK but the route is mis-directed.
- Priority is O-Line.
- Barron is nice but very similar if not better talent later with like of Allen (SC) or Iloka (Boise) or even Harrison Smith (ND). Tough but maybe better cover skills.
- Many drafts have top 3 OTs, DeCastro, Top 2 QBs and top DB, 3 top DE/DTs , Top WR going in first 10 -11 picks. If so we should likely trade back for extra picks.
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This draft is horrible.
A SS in the 1st? Lewis is a good FS and doesnt need replaced. We definitely need depth though, which we can get in later rounds or FA. Also i would be pissed if we wasted a pick on a 28 year old qb. Turrible just turrible.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This draft is not horrible
yes, Lewis had a good year and showed a lot of improvement, but:
1) There is a reason he fell to the 5th…maybe it was legitimate, maybe it wasn’t, but every team passed on him at least 4 times
2) Our system requires both safeties to be balanced in run support and coverage (ideally we would have two Ronnie Lott’s, not one Polamalu and one Ed Reed) and Barron and Berry would provide that
3) Pioli loves him some players from the SEC, and Nick Saban’s program is one of the best at preparing players for the NFL
4) Finally, and most importantly, if we want to go to the Super Bowl next year it is very likely that we will have to play the effin’ Patriots, who, you might recall, have two serious threats at TE, and although I love Lewis, I wouldn’t trust him to cover or tackle either Hernandez or Gronkowski.
I wouldn’t be upset if we drafted Barron in the 1st – we might be able to get him a tad lower, but if he is Pioli’s guy and they think it is too risky to move down they should grab him at 11/12.
I guess I go with the theory that if you are drafting in the Top 15 any given year you will always be well served by selecting the best player available
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
awesome ... another vote for DeCastro! :-)
I guess I go with the theory that if you are drafting in the Top 15 any given year you will always be well served by selecting the best player available
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Exactly!
OL is a greater need than safety depth.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
But it wouldn't be safety depth
it would be a tremendous upgrade to our tandem of starting safeties, and give us a fantastic back-up safety
Also, we ran an awful lot of three safety packages this year
How’s this defense on third and 10?
Houston, Bailey, Gilberry, Hali
Carr DJ Lewis Arenas Flowers
Berry Barron
Your chances of converting that third down are not good my friend
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
it would be a tremendous upgrade to our tandem of starting safeties
We don’t know that. Lewis showed himself to be a decent pro this year, despite having TERRIBLE players next to him at S all year.
Barron’s had a good college career, but he was no Eric Berry or Earl Thomas. With him, it’s FAR from a sure thing that he’d even be equal to Lewis, much less a “tremendous” upgrade.
If he was a Berry or Thomas I’d say MAYBE. But from what I’m reading he was a good player on a good defense. Not a transcendent one.
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For the record, DeCastro is my choice if he is there
But I wouldn’t be terribly upset if we picked Barron.
We used McGraw as a third safety a lot last season, especially in certain gameplans. We could use an upgrade there, so it’s not our biggest need, but it still a prominent one
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I suppose with our constant use of 5 in the secondary it could work...
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I would be happy with DeCastro or Barron or a few other guys
If DeCastro is there he is my guy
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
you're learning :-)
as I mentioned above, I like the idea of Antonio Allen in the 3rd … I think we finish the OLine and THEN draft for depth for best chance to win
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I'm still a Cassel fan
I know, I know
Put Cassel with DeCastro and any kind of upgrade at RT (be it improved B-RIch, Mims, draftee, free agent, whatever), plus a returning Charles, McClain, Baldwin, Bowe, and Breaston and we will win a playoff game.
Add an upgrade at NT (either Powe or a new guy – Franklin?), more beef on the d-line rotation, and a better 4th CB and we have a shot at the two trophies.
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
and yanno, if we DO keep Cassel as starter, OLine becomes that much more important
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Cassel will fold in a ball with 4 seconds or 20 seconds
O-line is not Cassel’s issue.
The Game is to big on most plays of any substance for him.
He will not be Alex Smith vs Drew Bree’s, he will be Cassel vs the Ravens.
Foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. okay enough
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
but we still can't score in the Red Zone ... thus the need for beef
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No the need to stop the other-Goddamned team from scoring
Like the teams in the Championship games
yanno what this thing is about
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I know that, but we still need to score on something besides a Hail Mary
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here ya go, Steve, from another thread, Our Old Pardnah
I want the absolute best player available for our line. If it’s one of the T’s, great. If it’s a guard, great.
An O-line is the sum of its parts, and adding a great piece to the interior is a better deal than adding a good piece to right or left tackle. Finding a "good" player via FA or in the 2nd round is much more likely than a "great" player IMO.
That’s why I’m on board with the DeCastro idea. He’s considered more of a sure thing with a higher floor and ceiling than any of the T’s that will likely fall to us.
And having a "great" player on the line makes the whole that much better than a "good" player.
by MNchiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 PM PST
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Love DeCastro...hope he is ours in the 1st!
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
me too
one mock had him going at #6 … he is Elite talent, indisputably best at his position
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really?
@ 6? I sure as hell hope not, I’m just sold on the guy and am probably going to be disappointed in April if he’s already gone or,..god forbid we don’t choose to take him
yup ... to the Redskins
I was shocked seeing that one … just a mock, but yeah, I was sad and then realized that yeah, he very well COULD be gone that early
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Walters has DeCastro going early (#6) and changed Chiefs pick from an OT to RB Richardson.
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oh please no Richardson
RB in 1st would be such a waste
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3rd 4th and 5th round should yield some great RB prospects in this draft.
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I'm awaiting my 50 cents
Or I’m coming after you.
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it's in the mail ...
… will be as soon as I get my first endorsement check from Kalo
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Same here
Now THAT’’S a transcendent player, at least according to scouting reports
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Great comment PVChiefsfan
4) Finally, and most importantly, if we want to go to the Super Bowl next year it is very likely that we will have to play the effin’ Patriots, who, you might recall, have two serious threats at TE, and although I love Lewis, I wouldn’t trust him to cover or tackle either Hernandez or Gronkowski.
Carpe Diem
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
yep
One pick for the defense is greater than any Cassel led offense for the 2012 season
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
but re-sign Orton and that's less of a worry ;-)
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Orton will disappoint soon enough
I am not sold on Cassel but Orton has a glass ceiling too, I would rather see what Stanzi has to offer, especially if our D can hold down the fort while he develops.
Carpe Diem
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel was Qb for the build
Orton is the QB for the Maybe we get there and we need a QB that could win the damn thing.
QBOTF is 2012
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
sorry damn years are flowing by
2013 drafted QB
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
I am still holing out hope that Stanzi is our QBOTF.
Crazy I know, but if anyone could make find a ‘dimond in the rough’ at QB…it would be Pioli. There was some talk before the draf that Stanzi was the best QB in the draft.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
There was some talk before the draf that Stanzi was the best QB in the draft.
I didn’t see that, but I did read (and perhaps this is what you meant) that several analysts thought he could end up being the best 3 or 4 years later, pointing to his big leap of improvement from junior to senior and his experience winning in a Pro style system.
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
that I can easily believe ... he's had one season (and no off-season at all with the team)
in a year or two he COULD be another Aaron Rodgers … that would be AWESOME
but if we don’t fix that OLine it won’t matter who put back there: he won’t have protection and we won’t have a running game to help him out
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it's DARK in here, and we may die :-)
gotta love Lewis Black
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We are wasting possible SB window time
Orton > Cassel on winning a Playoff game with what we have.
and a gret defense would definitely help the Chiefs win
IF WE GET THERE
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
SB Window Time????
Super Bowl, SUPER BOWL, Don’t talk to me about SUPER BOWL. We didn’t make the f’in playoffs.
Orton =/< Cassel
Neither are our QBOTF. Start one of them until the O-Line is complete, THEN start the REAL QBOTF (Ricky Stanzi).
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
really
you would start Stanzi over Orton?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
yanno what
Orton, Carr, Bowe, McClain, DeCastro, Sanders or Osemele (RT), Antonio Allen (Secondary Depth) … Charles, Moeaki, Berry all healthy … any others you want rounds 4-7, and a few FA’s (not Finley!)
and I’d guarantee us Division Championships for the next 5 years
yeah I went there … that’s how strongly I feel about OLine (and DeCastro and Orton over Cassel)
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2 points:
1) We were a better team the last 3 games of 2011 than the 1st 3 games.
2) We were a play or two away from a spot in playoffs. Those plays were a dropped catchable pass in the end zone and a breakdown in O-Line on FG attempt.
Even with injuries and unsettled and inconsistant QB’ing this team is capable of taking the next step If we keep Orton and allow him to get better aqainted with WRs and fix (Upgrade) the O-Line.
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agreed, Sir
that was my point, really … ie, your last paragraph
although your #2 point is only because of a weak division … in most others we’d have been buried for dead
time to finish it the right way and take the next step …
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I would let Orton get the crap kicked out of him (just like Cassel) until the O-Line is complete.
Once the O-Line is complete…Orton is worthless to me (I would rather have Cassel as our long term backup) and I would indeed start Stanzi over Orton (or Cassel).
With THIS line I would start them like this…
1) Cassel (best shoot at winning games)
2) Orton (really not much different then Cassel w/ execption that Cassel has more time/better report with ‘our’ players)
3) Stanzi (If and ONLY if both Cassel/Orton get injured…not that big of a streach that they both do get injured with THIS line).
Once we get legit G / RT…
1) Start Stanzi (our QBOTF)
2) Cassel as long term back up
3) Trade Orton for a pack of smokes.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
We got concensus then
BUT we can build a good or great Offensive line without DeCastro as part of it
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Could we...??? maybe
That said…if DeCastro is there at 11/12 why wouldn’t you take him?
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Steve, why not get the BEST at our pick? and DeCastro would BE The Best
… if we’re lucky enough that he’s still there
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Grace, did you pay ANY attention to the last 3 games?
Cassel’s been around on the team longer, but Orton looked SO much better … with almost no time with the team he looked that much better
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Orton looked great....
…aginst Green Bay.
2 picks (one in the end zone) vs Oakland…that is crap (Cassel looked better vs Oakland last year.
Denver…we scored ONCE….on a running play. Other than that…nothing.
Sorry, but the only game Orton looked ‘good’ in was vs Green Bay. Green Bay has one of the worst secondarys in the NFL.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Orton looked good overall
one thing that was interesting… he got sacked FAR less than Cassel, and got the ball out to MANY more receivers…
those are signs of better QB play… along with wins.
Cassel scores TDs, though… and doesn’t turn the ball over…
so, they are different, but prettyclose to equal
I thought Orton looked very good, esp considering how little time he had to work with the team
the Red Zone issues aren’t good, most of that I think is OLine
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idk
Orton had the same problems at Denver, I think
and Cassel (in 2010) put the team in the endzone plenty
Orton didn't have a Jamaal Charles in Denver
not sayin’ just sayin’
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you think correctly
A lot of picks in the red zone, and a lot of short FG’s…though part of that could be o-line related. They weren’t great either a few years ago, and we are having the same issues now
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I'm concerned about our short-yardage situations
and our lack of ability to get 2 yds when we most need it … that shows up all over the field, of course, but it’s a glaring weakness in the Red Zone when the field is “shorter” and coverage is “tighter”
so again, more reasons why I want to beef up the OLine with the best available talent (you know who!)
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don't know how this ended up here
I was commenting on what will happen to Stazi if we don’t beef up oline before he’s ready
I couldn't agree more tomachop
Let Cassel / Orton get beat up until the O-Line is done, then start the QBOTF (be it Stanzi, a draft pick, or FA).
by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
why not ... fix the OLine and watch Orton thrive
I seriously see that as a definite and strong possibility … meanwhile Stanzi continues to develop for a couple of years (or we find the next QBotF)
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Right on.
Fix O-Line through FA or Draft or both.
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I'm with ya there.
I saw from 3 or 4 outside sources that believed stanzi was the best qb in that draft. I’ve watched several videos of the guy and he is insanely accurate and has good mobility. I think he will compete with cassel this year.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
I think that Pioli will not start Stanzi until the O-Line is DONE.
Let Cassel/Orton get maulled week in/week out until the O-Line is complete, THEN start the QBOTF (Ricky Stanzi).
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
If we draft DeCastro and a RT the line should be done by the beginning of the season, no?
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Need a few games playing together for them to 'gel'...but if we can get DeCastro and a good/great RT then...
…Week 4-6 should be about right.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
yup
Sanders or Osemele or someone in 2nd Round … oh yeah, should be good to go for 5-10 years (5 til we need to really start looking for LT)
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Lewis dropped to the 5th because..
I believe it was a pulled hamstring (hadn’t quit recovered)..and didn’t tell anybody. He had a bad 40..Pioli just happened to check it out because he had seen him on film. He was thought to be 3rd rounder…from what I have read..
Are you kidding me?
This guy played at a high level his first 2 years and is still improving a lot and you bring up the fact he was drafted in the 5th round? I guess the bottom is gonna fall out from Brady because of where he was drafted and Brian Waters was bound to fall off sooner or later because he was undrafted. Lewis fell because of a bad 40 time he ran when he was injured
Oh and we just so happened to play that NE team this year
Gronk had 4 catches for 96 yards. Number is a little skewed because he had 1 big play of 52 which was a blown coverage and Hernandez had 1 catch for 4 yards. So I’d say we did a pretty good job of covering those guys just fine WITHOUT Berry
Jalil Brown had a great game.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
A SS in the 1st?
wow I really need to go to bed. My mind has reverted back to high school
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by chiefsman7588 on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Also i would be pissed if we wasted a pick on a 28 year old qb
We already did with the #34 pick of the 2009 draft.
Carpe Diem
Yeah since it worked out so nicely the first time lets do it again.
At least Cassel had a year of nfl experience under his belt. I would rather draft kirk cousins personally.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why
He never won crap
least that smallish QB from Boise could win somewhere
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
They only lost 3 games this year, beat Wisconsin, and won a bowl game.
His game translates to the nfl unlike Moore from Boise State.
Here’s a link that shows what all he has done. He’s the winningest qb in MSU history.
http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/cousins_kirk00.html
by chiefFANatic on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
Alex Magee anyone?
Lets remember Pioli spent a high pick on a DE when we badly needed to address other areas of the team and already had a #3 and #5 pick spent on one position.
Carpe Diem
Not quite the same
no one could be sure Dorsey would be able to change into anything resembling a 3-4 DE, so there was a chance that Jackson and Magee may have been the starters with Dorsey a trade victim of the shift in defensive schemes.
Jackson was the best 5-tech prospect available – I am certain Pioli tried to trade down, found no takers (or none where he thought Jackson would still be available) and just pulled the trigger at 3.
With the future of Dorsey undecided for the time, I would argue that 3-4 DE was one of our biggest needs on defense, especially when we play 6 division games against opponents with legit running games. Jackson was the best player at a position of great need, so I think it made perfect sense.
Safety isn’t that big of a need, so Barron would just be a solid BPA pick that would give us, as you mentioned, the undisputed top secondary in the league as soon as 2012
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Best Secondary 2012
That makes us a competitor alot faster than finding a one in a million qb. I would love for us to get RG3 but I doubt it happens, but we are on pace to resemble the 2000 Ravens.
Even in 2000 everyone thought high powered offenses were the way to after watching the 98’ Vikings (556 pts), 99’ Rams (533) and Broncos (498 PTS) break barriers on pts per game but then those Ravens changed the parimeters of the game, or at least for themselves in 2000, we can do this at least for a year and win alot 19-14 ball games.
Carpe Diem
by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
I would MUCH rather have a top 5 Defense, with an O-Line that could make 2.7 look like Berry Sanders...
…than a 10-20th ranked D, and a “Franchise QB” that is running for his life behind that cr@p fest we called an O-Line in 2010.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this ^^^
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Top 5 defense
Last 8 games with no offensive help our defense was 4th in points per game and total defense and 1st against plays of 20+yds, gets even better with Barron-Berry and helps our meager/average offense win with 20-21 pts per game.
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by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
if we don't solidify the OLine we won't be scoring that many points ourselves
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we didn't score any points regardless off the defense
and Cassel is back in charge.
Dominating D > Cassel as QB
and we could have what?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
^^^^THIS^^^
The D is there. We get Berry back and can keep Carr we are top 5 without adding a single FA or drafting anyone. Our O-Line on the other hand is what is holding this team back (IMO). Cassel, Orton, hell even Manning/Luck/RGIII is ‘set up for failure’ playing behind our current line.
Don’t get me wrong, I think we have 3/5 players in place TODAY….but we NEED those last 2 (G / RT) to push us (and what ever QB/RB is playing behind it) over the top.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
agree with a need on the O-line
but we have Cassel at QB.
Does it matter how good the line is with Cassel at QB?
Really, we have surrounded the dud e with Charles and the best WR corp the Chiefs might have ever fielded…..
NOTHING, we lost to the 0-whatever Dolphins at home, the Bills and the Lions
Cassel is not a leader on the field to Wins
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Our line post Waters went downhill fast.
At least 2 of our QB were injured, and the 3rd was running for his life last year. Brady/Manning would have done better yes….but not THAT much better.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
excluding Orton's finger
He had no issues with Green Bay.Oaklan, Denver behind our crappy O-line
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
"Excluding Orton's finger"
Thats the rub…QB (any QB) that plays behind THIS line is going to get injured. Period.
Cassel…Injured.
Orton…Injured.
Palko…running for his life.
Green Bay has one of (if not THE) worst secondarys in the NFL last year. Check stats.
Oakland picked Orton 2 times (including one in the end zone)….thats not lighting it up.
Denvers offense is one of the FEW teams WORSE then ours.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Brady got injured
the dude from Pitt got injured
houston, Indy, and on and on
Cassel hurts us more by being healthy
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
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and while yes, the last 8 games we looked very solid on defense, the first 8 games we looked pretty bad ...
… with the exact same players
the OLine, meanwhile, looked horrible all year long … dead last in Red Zone scoring, we need the best quality players at PON and Secondary isn’t it
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Without Charles
and Moeaki.
They looked servicable last year
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
we had Waters
and Wiegs was one year younger
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By the numbers, the OL looked as good this year as last
Charles made them look much better.
I don’t think Asamoah was a step back from Waters at all.
the only ones that took a step back were BRich and Weigs… and hopefully both will be replaced in 2012
Hudson looked good… so really, they are a RT away from being a very solid line
meh ... agree to disagree, stag
I like Lilja but I think DeCastro would be better, and I think hed be the BPA as well at our pick and be better short and long term than Lilja
agree Asamoah and Hudson are/will be studs for years, and agree find RT
minor differences though, we’re good :-)
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I agree on DeCastro
he’s probably my favorite 1st round pick
but, I don’t think Lilja is the weakest link… and I do believe KC is planning on him starting in 2012, and maybe draft a G in the 2nd-4th round to sit for a year.
I think they know they HAVE to find a replacement for BRich
oh, I do hope they get new RT
but like you I really really really really really want DeCastro
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Agree that Defense can be upgraded. Disagree as to how.
Look for D-help after 1st round.
2nd 3rd or 4th round:
CBs-Minnifield, Gilmore,Johnson, Johnson, Boykin.
SSs: Allen, Barron, Armstrong, Smith,
FSs: Martin, McDonald, Lester, Henry, Iloka
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assuming Carr is back, and Berry is healthy ... we should already have the best Secondary in the league
thus making 1st round pick on another Secondary player a bit silly, no?
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Pioli logic
Drafting a ballerina and a role player in the 2nd rd and not addressing NT , so yeah Barron could well be our guy.
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by TEXAN_CHIEF on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
since when does Barron do anything for the NT position?
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NT is not a position of Need or Value anymore
like a punter, and less than a kicker
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
sure hope Powe can bring it on this coming year
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An NT who could also crush pocket might change what Steve's saying.
Wilfork’s an example. Powe has a wide base, too. And I’m optimistic he’ll turn into a pocket crusher on passing plays. But will he get OFF that block and play 2 (or 1-and-a-half) gaps, when he gets upfield and the QB tries to squeeze past him? Disengaging from a grabby blocker is the hardest thing for these guys to learn (DL or WR, although a lotta teams give the WR the free release and then wonder why they’re strugglin’, but that’s another topic). Me ‘n’ Cris Carter see eye-to-eye on this one.
It does seem important in this league, these days, to have those run-stout guys who can change gears and attack the QB. But as QBs become more mobile and OLs become more athletic, I’m starting to come around to Steve’s and your thinking on this. Still, a real hard-charging NT can get it done, with enough speed guys joining him. Personally, I like a defense that pivots on the one or two alpha dogs inn the middle. Maybe can’t run people down, but they own their area and they go where they want.
One of the reasons I like the overkill on DBs is so I have more options to help my elephants. There are times – and New England skated right up against it, but Flacco pulled a Cassel against the 3-man rush – there are times when you can get stuck with big and slow against a mobile QB. Double the one speed guy out of the 3- or 4-man rush and just get in the way of the fatties, and maneuver away from ’em.
Offenses have caught KC that way numerous times since Pioli came, and the better-executing QBs sliced and diced. New England’s been caught that way, this past season, quite a few times, too. The great Wilfork doesn’t always make a lot of headway against the doubleteam.
What do you guys think of some of the higher-rated ‘tweeners? Enough of them, and you can have a devastating pass rushing front that swarms when offenses attempt to run out of the spread. Sort of like the Giants, where sometimes it’s kinda hard to find a DT.
would of ≠ would've
I think Wilfork may have changed that perception some this past week.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Punters have that occasional game when they are the difference maker
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Right.
And punters also finish the season with 52 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF, 2 INT (seriously? freakin nose tackle had 2 INT’s this year), and 3 PD’s
While generally being a disruptive force that OC’s have to plan for.
I can totally see the comparison.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Right. But that flies completely in the face of having "an occasional game where they are the difference maker"
Y’dig?
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I can dig it!!
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yes and no
Wilfork doesn’t show up like that every game.
that was far and away his best game of the year
thanks
Raji had a good game here and there
NT’s are like Offensive lineman, if they are doing there job you don’t hear their names
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Wilfork made his splash plays when they single-blocked him with the C, IIRC.
And he just drove the guy back about 7 yards. Totally disrupted Flacco. Making me think twice about chasing after Grubbs very hard.
would of ≠ would've
Part of Wilfork having a big game, stags, was the pass plays dialed up for Flacco.
New England sent a lot of 3-man rush that had NO business getting that much heat on Flacco. He should’ve recognized the 3-man rush and known he could slide to safety any number of times, but he repeatedly rushed passes against 7- and 8-man coverage, due to lack of awareness.
I think a lot of this goes back to coaching. Sometimes, I think “smart” OCs dial up the quick pass in anticipation of the blitz, and their players aren’t ready for the changeup. The better QBs bridge the gap (imo), by knowing the difference, and playing according to what’s happening rather than what’s anticipated.
would of ≠ would've
yep. thats the hope. of course some want to let carr go, and draft a corner, which seems to be pretty much the equiv of an offsetting penalty
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
It's not so much that people want to do that
It’s the very real possibility that Carr may think the grass is greener elsewhere and won’t be back.
If that happens, a 1st round CB isn’t out of the question.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
We also play 6 games against teams with new Head Coaches in 2012
Romeo is not new to the NFL Rodeo
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Weeden seems the best option as a Draft pick / Free agent pickup
He thinks he is a 22 year old rookie and we know he is a Free Agent pickup type QB
are you anti-Orton, Steve?
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If we can re-sign him in Free Agency we don't need to spend a pick in the 2012 draft
Now does that prevent Pioli from getting a true QBOTF in 2013?
Pioli has his excel spreadsheet and right now Cassel is the 2012 QB cause he planned that in 2009, Lilja is the LG cause his spreadsheet says that, Siler/Belcher is an SILB cause it is in Black an White on the master plan.
I am pessimistic with Spreadsheet guys in charge
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
ha! well, I agree with your thinking ... re-sign the guy and see how Stanzi develops
I’m sold on finishing the OLine, and not at all sold on Lilja as starting LG (you know who I want)
if we could only hack into that laptop Pioli has and edit that spreadsheet we’d be golden :-)
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Yeah, interesting take by Steve_Chiefs.
I think Orton has arm and anticipation, but maybe not in-the-moment, when it comes to seeing down the field. I think teams that break tendencies can really throw him off. But he can also predict an opening on a play-by-play basis. But he’s missed some good ’uns that developed contrary to prior indications. Some REALLY big ones, most notably the EZ pick over the middle against ?Oakland?, with Breaston and Baldwin both heading towards a great big open spot in the left end of the EZ.
OL blocked it up. TWO receivers got open. That pick’s totally on Orton, AFAIC.
Frankly, I feel like there are QBs with comparable abilities and better feet than Orton. But I don’t think I like him as a playoff QB, even if the team around him is platinum. Frankly, I think Donovan McNabb could do very well indeed with KC’s weapons, if they plowed draft picks AND FA into OL. Nothin’ like playin’ in Minnesota or Washington to make you look like shit, and this is a big, reasonably mobile QB with a big arm and who’s made it to the SB.
Now there likely are reasons NOT to take McNabb, but I really really believe there are underrated QBs out there in FA. I don’t think 2012 is the year to reach in the draft for QB, but get the right guys in this year, and trading up for QB wouldn’t be too farfetched, even though I’m sure I’ll argue against it when the time comes.
would of ≠ would've
I disagree
I don’t think Cassel is the 2012 QB cause Pioli planned that in 2009, I think Cassel will compete with (and beat out) Stanzi, and that they will try (but not overpay) to re-sign Orton to battle Cassel for the starting gig. If we don’t land Orton, Cassel will be the starter because he’ll be the QB on the roster who gives us the best chance to win
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
I hate to say it, but I agree with PVChiefsfan
Out of the 3 QBs we have (if we resign Orton)….Cassel gives us the best chance to win….those things….what are they called again….oh ya….thats right………..GAMES.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
against who?
doormats?
Has he ever beaten a good team, and i guess I should say taken it upon his Arm to beat a good team.
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
A lot's up in the air. Fact is, I still haven't seen anything close to dominant OL play.
Be cool if Stanzi’s time is just waiting for OL to top off the tank.
But I’ll tell ya, Steve. You really pissed me off with that spreadsheet remark. It’s like a mustard seed, taking root and moving mountains in my mind. This 3rd year of Don Pioli has left a bad taste that isn’t going away. It’s still a lot like they’re a college team, while I’m watching actual professional teams playing in January. Was Haley the problem? You can point to injuries, but hell, I’ve seen Belichick using WRs in his secondary, and going on to win championships. We really need a guy who knows how to put the talent to use, and raise up the talent that’s there.
would of ≠ would've
win what, higher draft picks in 2013?
Cassel gives us the best chance to win
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I like that idea
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 12:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
o.0
what, losing just to get a higher draft pick?
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Cassel will also be easiest to weed out after we DO get our QBoF.
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weeds are best taken care of early on
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After Luck and RG3
Seems like a waste of a draft pick to me.Already have a project in Stanzi. FA? unless we somehow got Peyton and a clean bill of health, don’t see that happening, and theres not much left other than backup qb’s
I wouldn't touch Peyton, period
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who woulda thought we'd say something like that
just a year ago huh, it’s too bad… helluva qb. If I was him I’d hang em up, better to be a millionaire and walk
you got it
one wrong hit … nah, wouldn’t want to risk it if I were him, or as a GM / Owner
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i want to know why you think mcclain is going to denver
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I like your outside-the-box-approach: building the leagues best secondary that gives hali&houston half a second extra. People tend to think improving pass defense only works the other way around; but good coverage improves the pass rush just like pressure makes it easier for the secondary.
A good example is how the Niners D played this year; they were in nickel formation quite often and had very few blitzes called. But with excellent coverage at times they got plenty of sacks and QB-hits. Patience over aggression so to say.
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also helped the 49ers to have aldon smith, pat willis, and justin smith on the same defense
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
sure, it did. but hali/houston and maybe bailey can smack some QBs as well
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
I see what you're saying, but the Smiths are bad-ass.
But you’re right about some solid DB play, too.
The other advantage to the shut-down corner is the rarely mentioned EXTRA PLAYER you have for other purposes, such as blitzing, filling to the edge on running plays, and the like. The Broncos were very successful for a very long time, with the extra hat(s) afforded by single coverage outside. It made up for other problems that were only brought to the fore by spreading them out with more targets than they had guys to cover them.
I think you attack it from both directions, myself. Give me dominant DL and DBs and I’ll turn up great LBs under every rock.
would of ≠ would've
^^^^THIS^^^
You have a D-Line and DB’s, even sub-par LB’s will look like Pro-Bowlers.
by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
On the flip side (Offense)
You have a great O-Line and TE’s, average QB, RB’s, & WR’s will look like Pro-Bowlers.
by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
That's the theory, all right.
But I’m still more a fan of the Kevin Boss type big bodies at TE. I’d rather see my TE getting receptions off convincing run threats, and being overlooked, or getting a mismatch against the bigger LB the opponent’s obliged to use against the jumbo TE, to keep from gettin’ run over.
Heck, I’d be looking at the Mike Adamses as OT prospects I can throw to (11-inch hands!!!) on tackle-eligible plays.
would of ≠ would've
I understand the want of having a "big back"
But I really would rather get another burner at RB as a backup to Charles. Let McClain have the big back responsibilities or maybe Battle, no need to use a 3rd round pick on one.
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I'd like Bush
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by upamtn on Jan 25, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
hate the early safety. hate hate hate it. love some kendrick lewis
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
dont know if Barron is Berry 2.0 though but if he is I love love love it
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you'd drop a 1st rounder on a "backup" to Berry?
or even if he started in place of Lewis … SS is THAT much of a need? really?
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I would NOT use a 1st round pick to back up Berry / Lewis.
I would take Markelle Martin in the 3rd though (Martin is the top rated FS in the draft…and ‘should’ make it to the Chiefs pick in the 3rd).
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't either ... was asking ezoo who apparently would
Martin would be cool, Antonio Allen would be cool … just not a 1st Rounder THIS year
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backup? of course not.
but I wouldnt mind if we got ourselves the best safety pack in the league. I have to trust TEXAN_CHIEFS evaluation on Barron cause I havent seen much of him. But not against the idea how I described it above. Maybe #11 is a bit high but if we could trade back a few spots that would be even better.
There are other possibilities outside the DeCastro-box ;-) Although I have nothing against drafting him.
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as explained in the post
Barron allows us to slide Eric Berryto FS…
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Eric Berry is a SS. Markelle Martin is the top FS in the draft.
Knowing those 2 things, why would you move Berry from his ‘natural’ position (SS), and draft a guy in the 1st. When the best FS will be sitting there…waiting for us to pick him up in the 3rd.
We NEED to finish the O-Line before we do ANYTHING else (including drafting / trading for a “Franchise QB”).
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
I’m fine with M. Martin as acomplement to berry. All that I wanted was to support TEXAN_CHIEFS approach to build a very STRONG defensive backfield. The importance of the safety position is often underestimated. If I were GM I’d pick up at least 4 O-Linemen through the draft and free agency but I also fancy the idea of building the best secondary in the whole league, which will aslo improve our pass rush.
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FOUR Olinemen??? wow ...
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2 in the Draft, 1 FA and some UDFAs
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
you're wow!ng me much too often
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
don't see us getting Nicks, would love it, though
just can’t see it going down
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FA – Bills OT Demetrius Bell
Draft – 2 Guards in the first 4 rounds
…
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Bell and DeCastro would work for me ...
Lilja still on board, yes?
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after BRich is gone, the attention turns to lilja...
who could very well end up in a backup role.
at least get him some competition in training camp.
9er/chiefs fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – not a native speaker – mistakes may occur
Lilja on the pine board woill work.
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I can see 4 new O-Linemen.
1) New starting RT thru FA or draft
2) New starting OG thru FA or draft
3) New backup / swing OT lineman thru FA
4) New backup OC thru FA
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I love the idea of "Bringing the Wood" on Defense.
With that said, I want a balanced team on both sides of the ball. Our Defense is good/great already….our O-Line on the other hand is rubbish and we have been lucky to score 20 points a game because of it.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
How is strong safety Berry's "natural" position when he has only played it for one season?
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
This is how my 'ideal' draft would go...
1) David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
2) Mike Adams – OT – Ohio State
3) Markelle Martin – S – Oklahoma State
4) Audie Cole – ILB – North Carolina State
5) Terrance Ganaway – RB – Baylor
6) Chandler Harnish – QB – Northern Illinois
7) Brad Herman – TE – Iowa
Not sure if DeCastro will be there at 11/12, also not sure if Adams will be there at 43/44. The others ‘should’ be money in the bank.
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
not sold on Adams, but ... I do like it overall
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Out of all the picks, Adams is least likely to be there when the Chiefs make our pick in the 2nd. Here is my alternate list for 2nd round...
…Mike Adams – OT – Ohio State (of course).
…Zebrie Sanders – OT – Florida State (if Mike Adams is gone…Zebrie Sanders is likely gone too)
…Dwayne Allen – TE – Clemson
…Dontari Poe – DT – Memphis (I went to Memphis, go Tigers!!!)
…Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
…Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina (If we let Carr walk move him up a couple spots)
…Dont’a Hightower – ILB – Alabama
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions
Mizzou guy here ... Go Tigers :-)
we have to fend off those LSU dudes
definitely options in 2nd … and 3rd (after that I don’t pay too much attention, gets real hazy by that time)
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If you want to bone up on guys from the 3rd on CBSSports has a great "Draft Prospects" guide...
by DivineGrace on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
thanks ... I go lots of places
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For what we need Antonio Allen> Markelle Martin
We don’t need a FS because we have one. What we need is a hybrid player that excels at playing the run, jamming big WRs and TEs off the line and play in coverage and that’s not Martin.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Love this mock. At least #1 thru #5.
1) David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
2) Mike Adams – OT – Ohio State
3) Markelle Martin – S – Oklahoma State
4) Audie Cole – ILB – North Carolina State
5) Terrance Ganaway – RB – Baylor
6) Chandler Harnish – QB – Northern Illinois
7) Brad Herman – TE – Iowa
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oh, ok ... if you insist, I'll take it
now stop twisting my arm ;-)
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finally the TRUTH comes out!
stag goes “a different way”
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If Markelle is gone (which could happen) then one of the following should still be there...
…Antonio Allen
…George Iloka
…Harrison Smith
…Aaron Henry
As long as we can lock up G & T in rounds 1 and 2, there is great depth to be found for our secondary (Specifically the Safety position) in the 3rd.
by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
The reason I would go Safty over Corner (providing we re-sign Carr)...
…There are a lot of tall / fast TE’s being used by the top NFL teams and it seems that good/great S’s match up better vs TE’s then CB’s (who tend to be shorter)…I want 3 good/great safety’s (right now the Chiefs have 2 IMO, just need that 3rd).
by DivineGrace on Jan 25, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Plus, the Chiefs have a pair of short CBs, already.
I definitely have a bias towards the long-framed guys, and moreso, given the makeup of the KC roster, with Javy and Flowers.
would of ≠ would've
Why not?
You want us to draft a back up guard to Lilja. Why not a backup to a player that may never be the same after a severe knee injury? Makes a lot more sense than a backup to a guard that didn’t finish the season on IR.
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 25, 2012 12:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
why would DeCastro back up Lilja?
DeCastro would / should start from Day One … Lilja would make a WONDERFUL backup/depth guy
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add RT in FA or Draft ... voila! OLine is DONE!
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yes, he's under the radar but doin really good and with some upside
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Looking at your chart, we seem to be losing a ton of talent and bringing almost none in.
LeRon McClain, Wallace Gilberry, Kyle Orton, and possibly Dwayne Bowe all walking (on top of Ryan Lilja? and Casey Wiegmann both apparently being gone).
In return we bring in Marques Colston and a couple of journeymen. I really don’t see how this improves our roster at all.
To top it off, you are calling for Ricky Stanzi to replace Cassel by Week 4. I’m guessing that you are predicting this to be a terrible season.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
Ok, nevermind. You're predicting 10 wins with that roster?
I really don’t see it.
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by citadelchief on Jan 24, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Head Scratcher
We’re drafting a Safety who probably won’t even start and could be had in the second round with the #11 or #12 pick in the draft?
Chris Polk won’t be there in the third round btw, maybe a month or so ago, but at this point his stock has raised and he’s going to get drafted in the late first to early/mid second.
Barron might bring out the Ed Reed in Eric Berry.
I’d rather see Berry out in space more, so I’d be OK with a top-drawer in-the-box safety to pair with him. Belcher might never get on the field, if that front 5 got any better. Just run nickel with Barron, all day long, and Berry and Lewis doing their thing.
would of ≠ would've
and the Raders 1st pick in the 2012 draft is...
makes me wonder what its like to be a Raider fan with so few picks for the next 2 years. Gotta love it
and the above is a good reason why the Chiefs should NOT be going after RG3 or Luck
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I like
that combo but idk I think adding another LB with our first pick like upshaw or burfict maybe brown or melvin some more strong,fast,overpowering LB/DE sounds great I think Lewis is fine with another season of experience but we need to do something with the QB spot weeden might be a good one tho
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 12:38 PM CST via Android app reply actions
need for a NT
I am new to posting on this site but have been following it for a few years. I can’t keep quiet anymore about some people saying that maybe a ‘tweener would work at the 1 tech. Or someone else said that NT is not a position of “Need or Value anymore.” A quality NT is the most important defensive position in a 3-4 defense. Not just against the run, where a NT has the reputation of a run-stopper only, but just as important, against the pass. A quality NT gets a good push up the middle making it difficult for a QB to step up in the pocket to avoid an outside rush like Hali does. If theQB cant step forward because his center is in his lap Hali should have even more sacks and pressures than he does. Also the QB is gonna get rid of the ball quicker because of the pressure and that makes it a lot easier for the secondary to do their job. That leads to more picks and incomplete passes. It even makes life a helluva lot easier on the ILB’s. Just watch the Ravens with Ngata or the Pats with Wilfork. There is a reason Lewis and Mayo get over 10 tackles apiece. It is the Dline keeping blockers off them and both those NTs require double teams every play. I have been screaming for a stud NT for years now and I am going to continue to do so. Y’all will be hearing a lot from me now about this. O-line in round 1. We need to protect whoever the hell is under center. After that a stud NT in round 2. Keep up the great posts everybody. I am out here in San Diego and this is really the only way I can keep up with my beloved Chiefs.
sorry man
I guess I want a stud NT too. But, Pioli and Romeo seem to be just fine with what they have been able to scrape up so far.
Maybe this is the year we find our guy and then we will use our base defense instead of that nickel 4-3 line up in passing situations.
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'd like a NT as well
if we can take D.Poe or Stills with a 1st or 2nd round pick and Decastro or Adams with the other pick I think if we do that we help both sides of the ball the you get a starter on the oline and a starting NT maybe look at the Washington NT in the 3rd or 4th and take both Decastro and Adams with the 1st and 2nd rd picks
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 26, 2012 12:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That would be sweet
DeCastro and Adams with a side of Nose
Its WAR for the Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 28, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
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