Chiefs need a franchise QB-sized vision
Talking about the Chiefs and QBs tends to leave me a little depressed.
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Article makes it seem like we need "THE GUY" right now.
That would be Peyton Manning, right?
Like getting Montana, right?
Should we bring Marty back, too?
I didn't get that impression
I got the impression that we can be like the Dolphins and so many other teams have been and decide that a mediocre QB is okay or we can be one of the teams who takes the risk to get that guy. We sort of did that with Cassel and it didn’t pan out, should that mean we just quit trying? Like how Todd Blackledge didn’t pan out so we should never waste a first round draft pick on a QB agin?
I agree with Matt on this, Cassel and Orton are not the answer. If we never take the risk we will never reap the reward.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 23, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Orton is at least as good as Flacco.
And better than Alex Smith. Both of those guys were a hair away from the Super Bowl. Obviously, it would be nice to get someone elite, but you can win without an elite QB.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Problem
We don’t have a Ravens or 49ers defense to help Orton.
Potentially yeah…but not there yet.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 23, 2012 2:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They're close, though.
And they’ll have Berry back, with their other young guys hopefully getting better. That’s without seeing what they do in the draft and FA.
Remember, nobody shut down the Packers better all year than the Chiefs. Same with the Raiders, Bears and Broncos.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know
Flacco doesn’t impress me but both Flacco & Smith were 1st round draft choices. Orton was what 3rd? We all know Brady is the exception to the rule but you have more potential of getting your guy in the first round. I’m not saying they all pan out to be franchise guys but the last teams standing all had a first round QB with the exception of Brady.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 23, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking about their play on the field.
Not their draft position. I agree that they need to be looking at a QBOTF, but I’m fine with Orton taking over till we get there.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
problem is when do we get there?
next year? the year after? when do we get to the point that we need that QBOTF? we are a better team then our 7-9 record suggest, so the likelihood of us having a decent pick to try and grab a QB in the draft is only going to get smaller and smaller each year. that is until all our talent gets too old and we are forced to start all over again. i’m not sold on trading up for RG3 just yet, but the more i think about it, the more i think we need to do something about our QB this year. whether that’s draft or trade i’m not sure yet, but i am sure that i don’t want to see cassel or orton starting next year.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Or we could the "ultimate price" this season
Start Stanzi from the beginning. See what he is made of, and if its cotton candy, then we are in a position for Barkley in next year’s draft.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 23, 2012 2:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Or we could *pay the "ultimate price"
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 23, 2012 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought death is the ultimate price.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
thats what I say
start Stanzi from the beginning, if it works then we have our qb if not then we are picking high enough to draft a 1st round qb next year, atleast see what Stanzi can do
If it doesn't work, then we are also starting all over with a new HC and GM.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
How do you figure?
This team won seven games last season, despite the QB position being arguably the weakest position in the team. Maybe we regress a bit, but even losing a couple of more games puts us in the top ten of the draft.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 23, 2012 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Stanzi is allowed to fail us into 11 losses, the people who made the decision to start him that long would and should be fired.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 23, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering Cassel was on pace for failing us into 11 losses, I fail to see the risk
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 24, 2012 4:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He was 4-5, dude.
That’s on pace for, uh, 7-9.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I mean the same story.
Over the past like 3 months.
by bossmanham on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel pretty much the same.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Pioli screwed up
When he thought Cassel would be our franchise QB. HUGE mistake…set us back years and ultimately led to Haley’s demise.
Franchise QB or bust. I don’t wanna depend on our defense to win games for us.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 23, 2012 2:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't see how it set us back years.
The Chiefs were a 2-14 team at the time. It’s not like they were a QB away from the Super Bowl.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Every team is a QB away from a SB
It’s been proven time and time again.
Pioli should know how important a franchise QB is. Brady got Pioli a nice GM job in KC.
Look at the SB…two franchise QB’s.
Look at the Pats…without Brady they don’t win 4 games. Lame defense…lame offensive weapons other than Gronk and Welker. No good RB. They are very mediocre without a franchise QB.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 23, 2012 2:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pats won 11 games with
the guy who you said set us back for years.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
With a very strong team
They had lots of really good players that year and STILL didn’t make the playoffs!
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
while i agree that we need a QB
i hate this argument, as 9 out of 10 times a team that wins 11 games, goes to the playoffs.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
by Leaf on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Cassel lost 5 games with one a 16-0 team.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
So you think they would have went 16-0 again?
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
well of course they would have
Arent they going for their 10 straight SB with Brady now?
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
(7-9) My record of picking Chiefs games before the season
(12-4) My Chiefs before the season prediction
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
Of course not, I also think that much like the Chiefs last year, they won a lot of games with Cassel, but very few because of him.
A good Quarterback wins games for your team. When you win games in spite of your QB it is not a good recipe for success.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
and what qb was available that year
for him to bring in or should we have just stuck with Brodie F’n Croyle
by banshee_01 on Jan 23, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not my job to know who wad available
It’s Pioli’s job to put a winner on the field….he should have made sure to get a QB that could win games for us.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
um he has won games for us
more in his 3 years here then the team had in the recent years before he got here
by banshee_01 on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Alot of those wins
Are due to an above average run game and the D making plays.
by ONECHIEFan on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry but to me
the whole “its not my job to find a QB” is such a lame ass response for people that sit here and bitch and bitch about Pioli bringing Cassel here and not finding us an elite QB. Who is this elite QB that Pioli has passed on? Its obvious now that Cassel is not the answer but whether people like it or want to admit it, for the past 3 years Cassel has been the best option that was available to us for QB
by badassz1987 on Jan 23, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
all of these guys were FAs and didn't need to give up a high rd 2 pick and are as good as Cassel
Jason Campbell, Matt Moore, Shawn Hill, Jake Delhomme, probably David Carr, i.e. any back-up QBs in the league that were free agents that off-season = Cassel
Grass is always greener on the other side.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly. They would have done about as well as Cassel but Pioli wouldn't have wasted 2 years putting lipstick on a pig
Where is the team right now with Cassel? Seems like they still don’t have a franchise QB. That’s why I don’t get the argument, “well who was available that year other than Cassel?” Cassel’s a back-up QB and so were all the other FA QBs on the market that offseason, atleast Pioli wouldn’t have had to trade a 2nd rd pick and then sign them to a 6 year deal. Also, sticking with Cassel caused the front office to pass on some good QBs in last year’s draft by giving him another year to prove himself.
Other than Dalton, who did they pass up on that was so good?
by CapsLockKey on Jan 23, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let's see...
Stafford, Freeman, Bradford, Newton, Locker, Ponder, Dalton, Mallett., Yates… not saying Chiefs could have worked out a trade to be able to trade up and draft all of these guys, but the fact that Pioli has only drafted 1 QB in 3 years to try and develop while NE has Brady and still drafted Mallet in rd 3 last year points to Pioli’s blind devotion to Cassel up to this point. Chiefs definitely passed on Freeman, Dalton and Mallet though. Not saying all these guys are going to turn out to be franchise-type QBs, but I’d think they’ll all turn out to be better than Cassel by the time they are 29
by Chiefs_KC on Jan 23, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The only guy who looks like a franchise QB at this point is Stafford.
Jury is still out on everyone else. Didn’t Pioli draft a QB in the same draft as Mallet?
Technically Pioli has brought in 2 QBs in three years. Cassel was considered “under construction” himself when he traded for him. Then he went out and claimed Orton off of waivers. I’m not seeing where the guy is ignoring the QB position like you claim. You are just upset he hasn’t gotten the guys you wanted.
by CapsLockKey on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Pioli had gotten any of those other guys, he would have given them the same chance that he's given Cassel.
Cassel didn’t set up back any more than any of the other QB prospects would have.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 23, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And people would still be pissing and moaning.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
by Tarkus on Jan 23, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A franchise QB is damn tough to come by
There’s what, 6 in the entire NFL? Drafting in Round 1 is certainly no guarantee you’ll find one. You won’t find a young one in FA. On rare occasions you’ll find one in later rounds of the draft, but those take a few years to develop, so that route takes time, and you can’t just draft a QB every year and pray if you go that route. You certainly can’t burn draft picks every year, chasing the faint hope that the next one will be the QBOTF.
Looks to me like the Chiefs are committed to building the best team they can, and hoping to get lucky late in the draft. or maybe lucky picking up a Peyton Manning, or (my guess) getting to be constantly a QB away, and THEN rolling the dice on trading up to land a prospect.
Face it, the NFL is a business, and trading away draft picks on unproven prospects until you constantly suck is the swift road to failure.
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 24, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true, but we didn't know that until now
when we traded that 2nd round pick for cassel, he was coming off a great season and everyone was excited to have him. pioli took a chance, and i don’t blame him, but it hasn’t worked out. 3 years is long enough to see if he’s our guy and to me it’s obvious that he’s not. while i don’t blame pioli for the cassel trade, if he does nothing to fix our qb problem, i will blame him for that.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Here's where I certainly agree. I don't blame Pioli for trying with Cassel. It would
have been great if it had worked. But it didn’t. I do (or will) blame him now. If the Chief’s go into March with Cassel as our QB, it’s Pioli’s fault. The time is now.
So you don't want an improved team next year?
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 24, 2012 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, yeah, yeah
I’m sorry. We’re just not in the position to make a blockbuster trade and come out better than we are now! It is going to take a two-year plan. First, do what it takes to sign Orton. Get him into camp & let Cassel & him fight it out for #1. Then trade the loser for a 3rd round pick (talk to Washington or Buffalo). Fill our glaring needs in free-agency and the draft this year. Get a RT, a NT, a RB (who is capable of carrying 60% of the load), and depth at TE, G, and maybe a S. After the draft, trade Dorsey for as high a pick as we can get. Enter the off-season next year with our pockets full of draft picks. Then we’re ready to do some serious dealing!
by Special K on Jan 23, 2012 2:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Buffalo
Just paid Fitzpatrick 60 mil this year. I
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 23, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Trade the loser if you can.
Especially if its Orton. He’ll probably turn into a cancer if he’s not the starter. If its Cassel, at least you have a competent backup. Someone better than Palko.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 23, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Has Orton been a cancer elsewhere?
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
I havent heard of that but I cant help but chuckle at anyone who thinks the agent is gonna let both Matt and Kyle be on the same squad when he knows both can start in the league
Orton wont be a cancer because he will never agree to come in and compete against a veteran incumbent . We signed Matt to 60+ mil its his team until hes no longer on it.
by Willie Beamon on Jan 23, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's been reported to get moody and cranky when he's benched.
So if he’s not going to be the starter, he probably shouldn’t be on the team. He could ‘turn into’ a cancer. He’s not one as of now.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I said it not but a few weeks ago,
if T.J. Yates had pulled off an upset over Baltimore he would have been the next face of a franchise. The NFL is fickel that way.
Let’s not forget that if Bledsoe had not been injured Brady’s appearance and rise to greatness may have never happened or would have at least been delayed. And that delay alone can change the chemistry at the core of a career being ingnited.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 23, 2012 3:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
There is nothing wrong with Cassel
and a whole lot that is right. The Chiefs have much much bigger concerns than QB.
by Dagda on Jan 23, 2012 3:20 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I have a hard time disagreeing more...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
by SFLChief on Jan 23, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Such as?
And don’t just cop out “O line” without naming an actual position.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 23, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Such as RT, G, and 2nd RB, 2nd TE. On the other side of the ball, NT, ILB, S/CB.
What happened to the Chiefs QBs this year…
…Cassel, injured.
…Palko, running for his life.
…Orton, injured.
…Palko, running for his life.
…Orton, 1 TD, 2 Interceptions.
Until the O-Line if fixed ANYONE we put behind it is taking their lives in their hands (literally). I have heard some on AP say “Trade for Manning”!!! I think Manning was/is an awesome QB but if we pick him up he is gonna get CRUSHED before we start week 3…and instead of going for a 4th opperation on his neck he ‘could’ end up in a body bag (our O-Line is THAT bad right now).
Possible O-line depth chart:
LT – Albert, Massie/Mosley/Datko
LG – Lilja, Glenn/Zeitler
C – Hudson, Harris
RG – Asamoah, Harris
RT – Massie/Mosley/Datko, Richardson/Mims
That’s eight solid O linemen, nice mix of vets and young guys, and it would only require a low first and a low second round pick from us. We could trade down twice and still accumulate extra picks, and still “fix the O line” without even taking free agency into account.
This “fix the O line” meme is bullcrap. Might as well say “fix the team,” or “fix the QB.” Unless you take the time to think and speak specifics, it just amounts to ranting.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I think the best they can do this year is
Orton, Cassel and Stanzi. Build up the rest of the team as much as you can to resemble a San Fran or Baltimore. That’s our best chance for success in the next couple years.
Fire Scott Pioli + hire Captain Hindsight = Superbowl.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 23, 2012 3:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
They should draft another QB anyway and make it a 4 player competition.
Cut the odd man out after camp. If it’s Stanzi or a rookie, maybe have a chance of sliding him to the PS. I think part of the reason Stanzi was inactive for so many games this season was to keep that PS eligibility next season.
Agreed
Spend a fourth or fifth rounder on Cousins or Wilson (I know he’s short but he can spin the ball), and have them fight for a spot behind Cassel/Orton. If we only keep Cassel or Orton, we would have a spot for another QB anyway.
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 23, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we are going to pick up a "development" guy...
Chandler Harnish – QB – Northern Illinois
The following is from cbssports player profile on Harnish..
Positives: Athletic quarterback who is a threat to leave the pocket and gain positive yardage at any time. Possesses very good vision as well as balance, elusiveness and deceptive speed and power as a runner. Quick set up and delivery. Appears to have the arm required to make NFL throws … Throws intermediate crossing routes over the middle with good zip and shows good to very good touch on intermediate and deep balls away from the defender. Has improved his mechanics throughout his career … A classic field general. Is the clear leader on the field and has engineered several late-game comebacks. Earned the MAC’s Vern Smith Leadership Award in 2011 …
Negatives: Shorter than scouts would like … Completed 61.7% of his passes as a senior but has only zip-code accuracy, overall. Consistently forces receivers to adjust their routes to catch his passes, eliminating many opportunities for yardage to be gained after the catch. Average arm strength. Can make every required throw but doesn’t possess the arm strength to zip balls past alert defenders in good position. Was effective in this scheme despite rarely being asked to make NFL-caliber throws … Will have to make the adjustment to taking snaps from under center … Missed six games over the 2008-09 seasons due to a sprained foot, knee … Small hands for the position (8 3/4").
—Rob Rang
I liked Harnish in the East-West game.
I liked BJ Coleman, too. I’d be happy with either one in the fifth or sixth round.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Our offense and our defense have a chance right now to be something special over the next couple years
If we resign Bowe and Carr then both sides of the ball can be really special. There are things we need to fix on the O-Line but if that comes together then that offense has some of the best weapons in the NFL. The defense also has a chance to be a top 5-10 defense next year.
Just don’t think that will happen with Cassel back there though.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
We should cut/trade Cassel
We can’t split the team by having Cassel and Orton at the same time. Controversies will always be flying over our team every time we lose. We should also draft Kellen Moore to compete with stanzi for number 2 QB.
RG3 looks very promising
and has all the intangibles you could want. The fact remains, though, that he is a smaller QB coming from a spread offense and has a habit of scrambling for yards. While none of that is a deal breaker, I would have a hard time trading all of those picks and potential players for one guy that could very well get injured.
Or is just so bogged down by the weight of Heisman
that he can never get out of the gate. I think we’ve seen alot of that.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 23, 2012 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
This article gets close, but fails to reach the real problem.
Yes, there are currently about twelve “franchise”-level quarterbacks starting in the NFL. And that number is very debatable. The question/problem is: How do you develop a franchise quarterback?
We’ve all seen the stats. A majority of the Super Bowl winners are first rounders. There are only a few exceptions. Brady being one of them. But why is Brady the anomaly? Why can’t a 3rd round or 4th round guy be developed into a franchise QB? Why can’t we find someone that has 75% of the mental and physical ability and get them trained up to 100%? Two words: Coaching and Patience.
Does Stanzi have the tools? Perhaps. Could starting him and hiring a decent QB coach turn him into a franchise QB? Maybe. Could bringing in a guy like Matt Flynn be the answer? Maybe. Would we be willing to give him a few years to become the next Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady? Or will we start screaming that we need someone new after one year at 6-10 or 7-9?
Again, Coaching and Patience. There’s too much QB shuffling in the league. Too many teams are unwilling to let a player fully develop. I would imagine there are probably 12 guys in the NFL right now that are potential franchise QBs. Guys that need just a little coaching and patience to succeed. Will they get it? No. Because this is a right now world. We want to win and we want to win now.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 23, 2012 4:50 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So you think Weis made Brady?
Then whatever Weis did with Brady, Brady was able to hold onto that after Weis left.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I thought McHoodie made him.
The Pats were a ball-control team under Weis.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Cassel also had McHoodie.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So did Orton.
We should get McHoodie to be our new OC.
Oh wait…
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
Obviously Bradford ruined him.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Maybe Brady can rehabilitate him.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
One year in NE, two at the most,
and he’s a head coach somewhere.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Probably one.
Assuming Brady stays healthy and is still Brady.
"Be an analyst. Don’t be a douchebag." - Terrell Suggs to Skip Bayless
so 3 years until hes a position coach in college then
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
(7-9) My record of picking Chiefs games before the season
(12-4) My Chiefs before the season prediction
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
Weis did okay coaching Cassel.
Not that I wanted to make that argument.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
It's very clear
RG3 or bust.
We have to do what it take to get him and do what it takes to win NOW. We have a good foundation of players, but they aren’t getting any younger.
This is the time, arrowhead is the place, gamble it all.
by ChiefofNJ on Jan 23, 2012 5:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
If we get RG3, the Chiefs are gonna suck for a couple years
The Oline isn’t good enough to protect a developing rookie, if he’s tossed in to sink or swim, and if you don’t, he’ll be sitting behind a Cassel or an Orton (or the like) for a couple years while he develops and we recover from the draft pick hit we’re gonna take. And even then he might not pan out.
Will the fan base keep paying for a couple years during the suck period? You’re in NJ, so you won’t be buying season tickets.
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 AM CST up reply actions
Chiefs are too stubborn to admit that they need a franchise Quarterback or one that will take a gamble to get on.
Let’s see…SB 46 Eli Manning vs. Tom Brady; SB 45 -Aaron Rodgers vs. Ben Roethlisberger; SB 44-Drew Brees vs. Peyton Manning; SB 43—Roethlisberger vs. Warner; SB 42—Eli Manning Vs. Brady; SB 41 Peyton Manning vs. Rex Grossman.
Maybe the Chiefs are hoping to become one of those organizations hoping that a Rex Grossman type QB can slip thru the cracks since it been 6 years since it has happened last.
by NFL season ticket holder on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 AM CST reply actions
What if........
St Louis takes RG3 and we take Sam Bradford off there hands, i’d be ok with that move
while i think bradford is a step up over cassel
i’d still take RG3 over him, even through he’s more of a gamble, because he’ll cost less. if RG3 doesn’t pan out, you can cut you losses. if bradford doesn’t pan out, you are broke.
Seriously, when have I ever been sarcastic?
Agree Totally
That Sam Bradford’s got a massive contract and I too would rather RG3, Just think it’ll be next to impossible to move up for RG3 and Bradford’s already 2 years into his 5 year deal so if we can’t restructure it it’s only 3 years worth of cap space. I’d happily give up our first round pick to see if it works
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