Weekly AP Official Mock Draft Thread 1/23-1-30
by stagdsp on Jan 23, 2012 12:22 PM CST
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Welcome to this (2) weeks' edition of the Mockery of a Thread.
I'll kick things off:
1) David DeCastro, G Stanford: this guy is the REAL DEAL, and completes a formidable young interior OL for the foreseeable future.
2) Zebrie Sanders, OT FSU: the ZB specialist has a good shot at being a starter for KC, with BRich as a swing tackle, I'll feel really good about the OL (and the offense as a whole) going forward
3) George Lloka, FS BSU: a big guy (6'3", 213lbs) and one of the best Safeties in a weak class, will provide immediate depth and situational play in the Secondary
4) Alameda Ta'amu, DE/NT Washington: I have NO idea why he slips this far, but he represents good value and flexibility for the DLine.
5) Tauren Poole, RB Tenn: good 2nd RB prospect, I think.
6) Phillip Blake, C Baylor: Depth for the interior OL
7) Devon Wylie, WR: Slot WR, 4.38 speed
7) Beau Reliford, TE: FSU: Former Basketball player, good receiver and blocker, lots of upside
(draft rankings from http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012 )
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Hmm, no LB's, don't see it as being necessary or just the way the cards were dealt?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
I don't see it as a huge need
I was tempted to take Burfict, as he’s a 3rd rounder on the website I used
this here mockery haves been duly wreck'd n stuff like that
question: shall this take the place of the Draft Talk thread, or is this solely for purposes (and porpoises) of Mocks (mocka! mocka! mocka! Draftnicks In Spaaaaaaaace)
moreover, do we need a poll to decide if this should or should not be done? (see what I mean? there are just never any easy answers when you need them!)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
works for me ... I'll do a Free Agency thread, might wait till weekend, the other one isn't "full" yet
mocka! mocka! mocka!
Go FozzyBear!
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
of course it's a need
but, I’m not too sold on anyone after RG3, so I’d stick with Orton/Cassel/Stanzi
I'd take a chance on Russell Wilson
especially if he slots in the 4th or 5th. Brandon Weeden, should he hit the 3rd is also very intriguing.
BJ Coleman looked like a classic fifth rounder flyer with lots of upside in that East-West game.
Would not be upset at all if Pioli picked him up.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
neither would I
maybe our 4th or 5th to grab him, after watching him and with the lack of qb’s in this draft I wouldnt be suprised if he climbs the boards for some teams, imo
Isn't Wilson like 5'11?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Coleman is 6-3, 234 and sounds kinda like Rivers when he talks.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
As if on cue
Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson measured 5-foot-10 5/8 and 203 pounds at Monday’s Senior Bowl weigh-in.
It’s just as expected. Wilson is a football player in a baseball player’s body, and there are concerns about his arm strength as well. A similar prospect to former Ohio State Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, Wilson projects as a fourth- to fifth-round pick. Smith was the 174th overall selection in the draft after measuring in at 6-foot and 217 pounds in 2007.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
5'10
Sheesh. I don’t buy the arm strength concerns at all, he can make every throw. I’d just be worried about his durability and ability to find the passing lanes from down there. Sure Drew Brees could do it….but….
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
All the intangibles. Moves VERY well, and can make all the throws, except one.
He can’t stand tall in the pocket. But he IS a player. Worth a late-round pick. The kind of guy who, in a pinch, rises to the starting spot and never gives it back. My kind of pesky QB.
would of ≠ would've
Hmm, no CB's, don't see it as being necessary or just the way the cards were dealt?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
I'm not sure I agree with CB
I’m cool with the Brandons (like you said, assuming Carr is brought back), but I think Arenas is just “okay” at nickel, and would like him better at #4 CB if possible, with Brown at #5. I’m not saying CB is a priority in the draft, I just don’t think I’d call it a “deep” position.
DE-Yup, perty deep
WR-Eh, somewhat deep, I’m not freaking out about these guys (Bowe)
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Daniels is pretty underrated I think
Really good player considering he’s 4th on the depth chart.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
He certainly looks the part.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
He's great in zone because he's sneaky.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
he's also flexible in man-off coverage. Looks good against TEs, imo.
To me, DBs are highly prized. But the Giants’ way isn’t to be ignored, either. Just keep in mind you need to have at least 4 dominant guys HEALTHY to get it done. I think they have a pretty good 5-man rotation for their front 4, the way they play it. But before they got some of those guys healthy, they were a .500 team. Things came together for ’em at the right time in 2012, for sure.
I like attacking it from both directions: front end and back end. You’re a lot more flexible in the kinds and frequency of the blitzes you put together when you’re more dominant in the secondary, too. Like I always drone on, winning 1-on-1s outside gives you an extra guy to play with in run-stuffing and pass-rushing, so you can get away with just being SOLID up front, with the extra downhill player making you SPECIAL.
would of ≠ would've
And for you idiots who think LBs make your defense special, I'm watching the AFCC on NFL Replay,
and they just got to the Brandon Spikes INT against Flacco. Big, run-stuffing beast everybody thought was a poor sport. Somehow NE ends up with him, and it turns out he has a real knack for where the QB wants to go with the ball. (Personally, I think he’s good at reading the throwing lanes, but his long frame and anticipation take a lot of passes QBs are used to throwing right past the back-is-turned LB.)
would of ≠ would've
Same here.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
I was shocked to see him so low
I’ve been saying all along that he’s a Shaun Rogers type player, which Romeo clearly likes
He'd be a great pickup in the 4th
I don’t really think he’ll fall that far, but there are always some who do.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I dont think this classifies as a FanPost, does it?
I mean I think it has too many words, and it has information about players, and a picture, oh and even has links to even more information
by badassz1987 on Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
don't give it too much credit :)
but, clearly there’s a need to consolidate mini-posts
us Moderators are falling down on the job
by stagdsp on Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would switch
The first pick with Trent Richardson
The third pick with Josh Chapman
The fourth pick with a Safety (Since Ta’Amu will probably not be there)
The fifth round pick on a QB
Then keep the rest of your draft.
what QB in the 5th this year will be worth it?
IMHO, Stanzi is the “mid-round-developmental prospect” at QB.
I’m still saying Top QB or NO QB in this draft
Agreed
Unless we’re taking Weeden or Foles in the 3rd I just dont see the need in taking another 5th round project.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
As long as he can correct his accuracy I like Foles.
But that’s a big red flag to me coming out of college.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
good point
either way, that whole 2nd-wave of QBs this year look questionable to me.
somebody’s going to reach for one in the 1st/2nd, and they’ll regret it
Yeah. It seems as likely to find a gamer later as sooner, once you're past RGIII.
But somebody’ll like Tannehill, or one of those Senior Bowl QBs.
would of ≠ would've
No one comes to mind really, but since Pioli wants to start drafting at least one QB each year
I figured that it will be done in the 5th round like last year.
I think he said he wants to get to the point where he CAN draft a QB every year
I think with the remaining needs on the team, this probably isn’t the year to start.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Just one more reason to trade down.
Get 4 or 5 picks out of the first 3 rounds, and include QB in your selections, maybe in the 4th or later. I think if you do due diligence, and your scouting dept is worth a damn (and if it isn’t, your goose is cooked, ANYway), turn the question around and ask what’s the probability you WHIFF @ QB 4 times in a row, even if any one guy’s chances are only 40-60.
Let’s find out:
60% probability of missing on one, with one try. .6^4 probability of missing on all 4. That’s a probability of 0.1296 of missing on all 4, so 1 – 0.1296 = 0.8704, or a little over 87% probability of hitting on at least one of ‘em. Hell, I’ve gone under the surgeon’s knife for lower odds!
And if your scouting’s any good, you hope your odds are at least 50-50.
50% probability of missing on one, with one try. .5^4 probability of missing on all 4 tries. That’s a probability of 0.0625 of missing on all 4, so 1 – 0.0625 = 0.9375, or a little under 94% probability of hitting on at least one of ‘em. That’s a lot more certainty than a lot of other strategies I’ve seen, especially considering they so often pick a QB in the 1st and put him in a WORSE situation than he enjoyed in college, and then expect the same results. That’s why I’m so big on team-build with those rich picks, and FAs and patience in the draft for the QB, unless you’re “blessed” by a bad enough record to pick a stud in the top 5.
would of ≠ would've
But what are the odds, really?
For drafts 2005 – 2009 (five years worth, starting long enough ago for a rookie to have gotten a starting job by now), I count ten post-first-round QBs who have been a team’s non-injury starter for significant time: Chad Henne, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Kellen Clemens, Tarvaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst, Kyle Orton, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Ten, out of 49 post-first-round QBs drafted in those five years. 80% probability of missing on a post-first-round QB, not 60%.
Now, lets talk about the definition of “hit.” If you look at my list of post-first-round “hits,” I think you’ll have to agree that my definition is pretty DAMN generous……
In fact, one could (and probably should) make the argument that the hit rate of post-first-round QBs between 2005 and 2009 is a big, fat zero.
Yep, churn the late round QBs, that’s the sure, prudent way to do it, yessir…..
note – presence of ellipses suggest sarcasm
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Wow, my comment sounded pretty assish.
It’s late, and I’m tired. Sorry. Here’s where I got my count in case you want to fact-check:
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I can't agree
One guy is 5’11 which just doesn’t translate in the NFL and the other guy is 180 lbs soaking wet.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are both better QBs
than Stanzi, going by what I saw of them in college. I’m not huge on the height/weight/reach stuff. If a guy can play, a guy can play. Drew Brees isn’t exactly a giant.
Brees and Flutie. That's about it.
Long odds.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'd much rather have Wilson than Stanzi
They both played in the same conference, and Wilson did much more. I still argue he had a better year than RGIII or Luck, but I’m probably in the minority.
That being said, even I wouldn’t draft Wilson (Unless it was at the 5th+ round and at that point, they are all crapshoots)
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
What I liked about Stanzi was that he improved every year in college.
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Stanzi won't be tackled by a finger in the jersey.
Wilson might be one of those smaller guys who’s hard to get enough of a piece of to bring him down before he accomplishes something, but those smaller guys, sometimes they get to the next level, and you see that pinky get hooked in his shirt, and the NFL D-Lineman throws him to the ground. Brees and Flutie would both break those outstretched-hand tackles.
The bigger guys like Cassel and Stanzi can power right thru a lot of those almost-tackles. I think it’s likely that this was something that flew under Haley’s radar with Palko, because nobody’s trying to hurt the QB in practice, and Palko moved so much better than anybody else on the practice field. Unlike Hali, there are a lot of pass rushers that just need to get a PIECE of the QB and he’s going down.
would of ≠ would've
He's so elusive...
(How elusive is he?)
He is so elusive, that he even avoids playing time when Tyler Palko is the other option.
Damn. That’s elusive.
by SCKSChief on Jan 25, 2012 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought he was elusive, too.
Why he wasn’t given any playing time, during the tough stretch, is something that eludes me. I’m not sure it means he sucks, or that they have a process in place for how QBs get on the field. The #2 guy, Palko, had more preparation, and Stanzi hadn’t beaten him, according to their criteria.
A football team has quite a few moving parts, and I imagine one would need to be wary (unless you were an owner) of making seat-of-the-pants judgement calls. So, you create objective criteria for as many things as possible, and you use your process, that you spent days/hours/weeks/years developing. This protects you from getting caught in wide gyrations, where every crisis you fix with a snap judgement leads to ANOTHER crisis, because of unintended consequences, and so on.
That’s why being an NFL owner has to be a huge kick. That’s the life Al Davis lived. Used his own eyes to see what was happening, and made personnel decisions based on his OWN best understanding of the game. We all like to scoff at the SOB, but it seems to me that he won more championships and playoff games than anybody in KC managed.
Heresy, I know. But it’s just impossible from where I sit to know the KC process in any detail, and my best guess is that the practice field simply didn’t translate to the playing field, with Palko, and they were kinda stuck. But they didn’t do things that much differently than other teams. They brought in a FA when #1 went down, and got him on the field by the 3rd game. Looking at Carson Palmer, I’m not at all sure that hurrying him into action would’ve been all that great, and then the wacky gimmick play on Orton’s 1st play put them right back into Palko-vs-Stanzi territory and Stanzi still took no snaps.
But I tend to agree with stagdsp. It seemed like Stanzi had a decent grasp, a decent arm, decent feet, and he was big enough not to go down to a finger tackle.
would of ≠ would've
Even Brees did not come into NFL Pro-Ready.
Brees spent the best part of two years working on his upper body strength before he started to have success with the wide variety of throws he now makes consistantly.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I think Wilson makes a lot of throws already
and I’m certainly not saying he’s being drafted to be the starter.
Also, getting motivated by having his job put in jeopardy.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Brees is probably the most accurate passer in the NFL though, that's how he gets away with being so short
I’m not sure you can expect that from other guys coming out of college. And wasn’t Brees taken at the top of the 2nd round, in spite of his height? That says a lot about his other skills coming out.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I think the bulk-up also helped him break a few more would-be tackles.
The thing that stands out about Brees is how quickly he can dart out of danger and how quickly he can get the ball out, and make it accurate, regardless of how well he’s set (again goes back to upper-body strength, I think). But a smaller guy, who’s wicked quick, can do as much to open passing lanes with movement as a tall guy who isn’t very quick.
From watching Wilson, I think he has the vision and football IQ to be that kind of QB, but he might not be rugged enough for the pro game. You definitely have to be a bit of a freak athlete to play QB at under 6 feet tall. NFL D-Lines and LB corpses are a lot more savvy about denying vision and passing lanes.
would of ≠ would've
I think Wilson will be Antwaan Randle El 2.0
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I like Brock Osweiler
he kinda reminds me of a bigger Ben Roethlisberger
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I like that guy too...
but only if you’re prepared for 1-2 more years from Cassel/Orton while he develops
I'm prepared for that even if we get RG3.
I would actually be upset if we got him and threw him right out there.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Haven't seen much of Osweiler, but they commented on him as one of those 2nd-tier QBs on NFLN.
Said he sort of “unfolds” from under center and you realize how TALL he is. 6’8’’? Can’t be very thick at that height, and that could be an issue if you want him to stand in the pocket, and somebody “folds” him up.
would of ≠ would've
He's a great big, giant of a guy
But I always turn off the tv being somewhat disappointed in his performances. For his size, he has an underwhelming arm.
I disagree
He has good to great arm strength, just very raw. Hasn’t played the position very long and has big upside.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
If he's that raw
He needs to play one more year of college ball. I don’t see him developing that arm while holding a clipboard. He lobs a lot of balls. He needs to develop more confidence, IMO and I don’t think that comes from running the practice squad.
He should have stayed I agree
He has the tools to be a very good QB, if he ever puts it all together, time will tell.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda reminds me of Grbac or Jamarcus.
But it’s not like you’d be taking him in the 1st. Myself, while I like the height, I care more about quickness-of-correct-decision, along with some combo of physical abilities that makes it possible.
would of ≠ would've
correct decision making skills#1
- arm and accuracy
I dunno, stags. Part of the point in taking mid-round developmental projects is you can afford to do it more often.
And you can afford to part ways with the guy who’s not as good. Keep doing that, until you have a keeper. The fact that they skipped right over the rookie, even in a QB jam, says something about the coaching, the rookie, or both.
So I’m not Top QB or NO QB.
would of ≠ would've
yeah, I hear ya
and Pioli has stated that he’d like to do that every year as well.
I just don’t see the point, when it’s not likely they’ll be an upgrade to the current crop of QBs on the roster
Orton was the best available in a midseason pinch.
There’s going to be a bigger selection in FA, for starters.
To say that upgrade is unlikely is giving Stanzi a bigger vote of confidence than I’m willing to give, I guess. I’m lookin’ at FAs and I’m looking at later-round QBs.
Also, I think due diligence by scouting should be able to turn up somebody who can prosper with what the Chiefs can (or plan to) give a QB. There’s a handful of QBs on for-shit teams that maybe have a little somethin’ under the hood. Depending on how you scout the 2nd tier of QBs, it’s likely that QB goes overlooked. After that flurry in the 1st, I don’t see a WHOLE lot of QB activity on the 2nd day. And then there’re all those good picks to be made in the 2nd and 3rd, leaving the 4th and later for a 2nd tier QB, who maybe just needs the right situation.
would of ≠ would've
My picks are based on BPA and value
Trent Richardson is the BPA at the number 11 spot.
A NT who was supposed to go in the 2nd but falls to the 3rd because of injury holds more value to the defense than just drafting a free safety for depth.
RB's one of my BPA exceptions.
I’d have to be pretty good up front before I pick that high for the guy playing behind.
would of ≠ would've
I don't mind the first two rounds
After that I would go
3. Coby Fleener TE
4. Josh Chapman NT(we’ll get an extra pick from trading back somewhere here. trade back in the second round for Sanders)
4. Antonio Allen(>Lloka) SS/FS/LB
5. Vick Ballard RB
6. Whoever
7. Whoever
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Emmanuel Davis CB as the first whoever.
Korey WIlliams ILB as second whoever.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
I like the Zebrie Sanders pick
And I think it’s one that we can trade back and make near the end of the second and hopefully pick up an extra fourth.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
and miss out on DecCastro?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Trade back, then trade up next year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
THIS
QB class next year could be really nice.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Jan 24, 2012 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agree. If DeCastro is there let's load him up and take him home.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
I'm liking Zebrie Sanders, from Senior Bowl week, thus far.
In the 1-on-1 drills, where DL has a real advantage, Sanders looked better than, for instance, Adams. Zeitler looks like a damn good G prospect.
Still learning who’s who. Have to re-watch today’s drills, and figure out the name that goes with the jersey. I’m way behind the rest of you guys in knowing these college players much beyond what I’ve read online.
would of ≠ would've
How's Cordy Glenn look?
LT from Georgia, but a guard prospect at 6-5, 346. He’s my boy, and I don’t have NFLN.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I didn't catch much of him yesterday
Was working out in the 1 on 1 drills as an OT, didn’t look fat but wasn’t the quickest guy out there. One of those OTs who has to get his hands locked on his opponent
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda how I felt about Osemele.
I thought Zebrie Sanders looks pretty well-rounded.
I think the D-Linemen in the South are making it tougher for O-Linemen in the South to look very good.
would of ≠ would've
I like his first step, though.
And he looked like he had better feet at RT than the other guys I briefly watched. He didn’t look big enough to handle a Ta’amu on the bull rush, but how often are you going to see that? I just felt his feet were “right.” I think he’s a good fit for ZBS and good all-around. Maybe not great, but not glaring, like I think Osemele might be, when somebody tries the speed rush.
But SOME of those guys, with a TE to blunt the outside move, are super-stout. I’m seeing Gs who are bigger and better than KC’s Gs, though. While I’m not a Decastro-or-die kinda guy, I do feel some urgency to land one of this year’s better Gs in the 2nd.
I did hear some people gushing about Osemele, today, but I haven’t watched everything, and what I saw, I wasn’t sure would translate to the NFL, certainly not at tackle.
would of ≠ would've
love Fleener/Chapman pick
don’t think either one will be there at those spots you have them at… but love the picks.
1st – DeCastro
2nd – Vontaz Burfict
3rd – Coby Fleener
4th – Josh Chapman
5th – RB
6th – Safety
7th – The guy with the coolest name left on the board
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Round 7 names? Adonis Thomas.
Foswhitt Whitakker.
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste.
Tyrone Crawford (gotta love a Tyrone).
Beau Reliford.
LaVon Brazill.
And my favorite – James Brown. Hardest working man in the draft.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
If anyone's wondering why I'm so high on Antonio Allen
In a shallow safety class, South Carolina’s Antonio Allen (6-1/202/4.57) has a lot to gain this week. The box safety is comfortable in both man and zone coverage against quicker receivers or bigger tight ends. Allen’s extremely long arms help slow down receivers over the middle, hold the edge against the run, and make up extra room in coverage, where he lacks short-area quickness. Allen may be one of the first true Rover SS/LBs drafted to neutralize Joker/Move TEs. He would fill that role well."
This is exactly the player we need. He is the perfect hybrid role safety that plays the run well and the pass equally as good. He’s a ball hawk in coverage(had 4 defensive TDs over a 6 game stretch). He’s a four year starter, sure tackler and a ST ace. He’s Jon McGraw with talent.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Ugh quote fail
The second paragraph is my completely biased take on him.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I like Antonio Allen in the 3rd
for now …
DeCastro
Osemele
A Allen
subject to change in 2nd round and conditional on FA signings (including our own guys)
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Osemele didn't impress me that much, in limited viewing of today's drills.
He looked slower-footed than I expected.
would of ≠ would've
In a league where TEs as WR is becoming trendy this is exactly the type of player we(and everyone else) needs.
By the time offseason workouts are done it wouldn’t surprise me to see him leap to the 3rd round but could be there in the early fourth.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's about the range where KC should look for S depth
as long as SOMEBODY replaces Sabby, I’ll be happy
though, he’s listed as a FS… and I don’t know who can back up Lewis at this point…
Thats the nice thing about Allen
He can probably play either safety spot as depth and be used in the slot against bigger WRs and TEs as a third safety.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
sweet
I like the “mcgraw w/talent” comparison… that’d be a very good thing for this team
I think S depth is the biggest need on Defense, personally.
everyone talks about ILB and NT, but I could be pretty happy with a D that starts Belcher/Siler and Powe/Gordon or a Shaun Rogers/Smith/Franklin-type FA that Romeo seems to do well bringing in.
But, I won’t be happy if Sabby/McGraw/Langford are the best S that KC can bring in to fill in for Berry/Lewis
I agree
Honestly unless a guy like Burfict tumbles down the board and Pioli just can’t pass on him in the 2nd or 3rd, I can see him being happy with Belcher and Siler especially since Siler was slated as the starter before his injury.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sabby was definitely an injury emergency pickup.
There’s at least one, maybe three DBs in FA that would be a good fit, also.
I can’t help but think that maybe KC needs another beast on D-Line, though. 4-3 or 3-4, they need to get a LITTLE bit more out of the 4-man rush. There are some SEC beasts on D-Line, in particular, that are of great interest. It’s also where I’m looking really hard at O-Line, because they’re the poor saps who have to block those SEC bastards.
would of ≠ would've
CBS has him projected in round "2-3."
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The safety class is just so weak that that could very well happen.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Allen measured an alwmost 79 inch wingspan?
That’s defensive lineman type numbers.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Boise State George Iloka was the biggest safety at 6-foot-3 and 222 pounds with a wingspan of 81 5/8 inches.
Per MTD
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
But
He had zero interceptions and one pass broken up this season. Against TCU, Iloka gave up some passes deep downfield. Arizona State torched him in the Bowl game.
That’s scary. A 222 pounder that runs a 4.6 forty doesn’t jump off the page to me.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Remember Boss Bailey?
I wonder if he’d have a job as a TE killer nowadays.
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He played FS most of the season, didn't look comfortable giving up too much space
When dropping deep, tried to keep a decent distance but was beat over the top a few times. Last few games of the season he was moved to CB and looked much better when he was able to be by his man and use his frame.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Which receivers did he cover?
Sounds to me like he used a physical advantage against inferior competition.
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Boise didn't play great schools but the potential is there for a TE killer IMO
Big long frame, who showed potential in man coverage and needs to trust himself when moving backwards in deep zone
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
'Bout the only Boise player I'm interested in this year is Doug Martin.
Dude survived Stockton.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Eric Berry is our TE killer
now we need a another TE to kill the other team (with Moeaki)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Cause there is only 1 TE?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
opening a whole kettle of HOW :)
I would rather have 3 CB’s in my nickel than fielding 3 Safeties,
Specially a tweener safety at that
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Unless the Safties are
Lewis-Deep
Berry-Roaming/TE
NewGuy-Deep/TE
Which you could still add in 3 CBs, 2 Dline, 3 LBs…
Flowers
Carr
Arenas
Hali
Gilberry
Bailey
Houston
DJ
Lewis
Berry
Iloka
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Dime
and those teams using multiple TE’s do it out of the base Offense
New England mainly
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Baldwin can run Hernandez's routes.
He’s just not a good in-line blocker. But neither is Hernandez.
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Dime I would have 4 CBs
You could put Tjax/Dorsey inside with Berry close to the line to act as another WILB and Arenas close to the line as well to counter the base Offense
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
Need more pass rushing than TJax/Dorsey.
That’s Bailey’s, Gilberry’s, maybe Bair’s job.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Except with the players on that list
Sub Iloka for Allen if it makes everyone feel better, you could bring heat from all over, you could sub in Bailey/Gilberry/etc for extra pressure on possible passing situations
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
cmon man
think outside the Box.
Walk-around Defense, with Romeo pulling the strings!
Dorsey and Jackson would be the pivot points to stop the run
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Makes it too predictable.
You know you can single-block those two.
Picturing a walk around defense with Dorsey and TJax makes me smile :)
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Agreed
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Not really. I'm not a TJax basher.
But I know his limitations. Unless the other team has struggles across their line, they can put their best guard or tackle on TJax in pass rush and give the QB five seconds of pocket.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
as the roster sits now they can
add Berry back into the mix, with Houston having some seasoning now and Upshaw as beserker from the middle linebaker spot?
maybe both Dorsey and Jackson and Gregg/Powe get those opportunity sacks
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather trade down for a high 2013 pick/
Barkley ammo, and get Hightower who is taller and more used to the middle.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
With the depth of this class O-line
Wouldn’t mind seeing the Chiefs trade back, grab Dontari Poe in the first and then build the O-line in rounds 2 &3.
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
CBS right now is showing some pretty decent tackle prospects all the way through round 3.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
We need a Defensive possibilities Thread
:)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Quentin Coples. Let Romeo motivate him.
Dude looks like he was born to be Romeo’s RDE.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I would take Stills or Brockers
over Coples
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather see what we could do with Bailey
Before spending a pick, let alone high pick, on Coples
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
But I have in the back of my head that Dorsey’s not sticking around much longer. That’s why I’m looking at Coples-types more than Stills-types.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Thoughts on Ta'amu as a DE/NT guy if he falls?
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
would rather just get the DE type
as stated :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm afraid Ta'amu's gonna be too stubby for DE duties.
But hey, if he falls in the draft like big men did last year, I’d be all for it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm going to try to watch him during the practices and see how he holds
that weight, what his push looks like. Could easily become a Smith type role player with a greater upside if we could get him later on ala Houston
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
he is 6'2"
Sounds like he’s powerful and can anchor
But, he gets too high
by stagdsp on Jan 23, 2012 7:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that's taller than Dorsey, but short for a 3-4 DE.
I was looking at his wingspan, too.
But if this year is like last year, there are gonna be some projected 2-gap NT prospects fall lower than expected.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
His arms arent all that much bigger then Calais Campbells
Campbell measures in at like 6-9, but his arms are under 34 inches and Ta’amu is squarely at 33.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not what this says.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
But it is what this says
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012weighinDL.php
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Corroborating link:
Looks like Walter’s wrong. Gee, whodathunkit?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hey i can do that too
http://tommeltonscouting.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/north-weigh-in.png
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm, looks like that list has one too many 31-1/4 measurements at the bottom,
which shifted the arm lengths up one row. The wingspans at the bottom seem to match the NFP table….. but the Wordpress file gives 6-5 Mitchell Schwartz a 32" arm, and 5-9.4 Trent Robinson a 33-1/8" arm…. More realistic that Schwarz has the 33-1/8" arm and Robinson has a 30-7/8" arm as listed by NFP, which would shift the Wordpress arm lengths down one row.
Also makes more sense that Ta’amu would have shorter arms than the guard Troutman in the table right below him, who is taller and skinnier but has a longer wingspan in both tables.
Here are a couple more:
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Ta'amu just looks well built at 341
Short and stout, showed a pretty good bull rush but the 1 on 1 drills do not give that great of an idea about a 2 gap prospect.
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 5:58 AM CST up reply actions
Texans like him
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I could see him as a one-gap NT.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
In shorts he looks the part
On the field he doesn’t. Saw him get dominated in double teams way too much this year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
who? (Include a little context on these far-off replies)
Basically, when you ain’t the 1st to reply, you never know how long it might take for your reply to appear, what with sub-threads ‘n’ all.
would of ≠ would've
I think Taamu?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
That's the way I tend to lean, too.
If it’s a cover/tackle guy, I prefer more cover than tackle.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Martin is interesting
Might go too high for me to seriously look at him though
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah if I'm picking a RB in the third it would be Pierce
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Pierce over Polk?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Not sure how well Polk would fit in our ZBS, nor am I sure how long he will end up lasting in the NFL
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Probably. He'll be a good one.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
he has the wings, but can he FLY?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Agree on qualities of Antonio Allen.
Like idea of using 3rd or 4th rounds to add to Secondary.
3rd round prospects: CB Johnson (Mont), CB Gilmore (SC), SS Allen (SC), FS Lester (AL)
4th round Prospects: SS Harrison Smith (ND), FS George Iloka (Boise St)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Gilmore is on my list as extreme value in late 2nd-3rd round if we don't sign Carr.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really high on Gilmore
I think that a coach like Romeo could really do wonders with him.
It's Orton Time!
Burfict will likely be sitting there when we pick in the second round.
And as much as alot of people around here hate him, I think he could be the steal of the draft at that spot.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Hell ya it would.
And I think we have the lockerroom to contain his issues and DJ being next to him would only make him that much better.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
not if he keeps missing tackles and playing with his head in the clouds and drawing penalties
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just say no to Burfict.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
by Bell78 on Jan 23, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Love the first two, after that I'd be too moist to care about the others......oops, did I say that out loud
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
it's now chiseled in stone
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Ok
(Assuming Carr is re-signed)
1. Martin/Reiff/DeCastro/Konz
2. Vontaze Burfict, ILB Arizone State
3. Coby Fleener, TE Stanford
4. Antonio Allen, FS/SS/LB South Carolina
5. James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada
6. Mitchell Schwartz OT Cal
7. Brandon Bolden, RB Ole Miss
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2-3 ILBs?
with Siler already signed for 2012, and Belcher likely to return?
seems like overkill to me, but I like most of the rest of your picks
Its two ILB
One is a project the other is just me being greedy.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
I included LB on his posiitons because he played a hybrid role(SPUR) at South Carolina
His “LB” work in the NFL will be limited to being a third safety on the field like we do/did with McGraw.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I like Zeitler in round two if round one is a tackle.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I think he's a can't miss type of pick.
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This is what I would like to see but not what I think Pioli will do.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad.
Man if we could draft Burfict in the 2nd or 3rd round like the guys said above our LBers would be awesome. I also think Poe would be tempting if we were to trade back some in the first round.
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I like Chapman a little bit more then Poe but they will probably be drafted around the same time.
There’s alot of late round 2- round 4 guys that I like moreso the round 1-early round 2.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I like Hebron Fangupo DT/DE because he could play either position and he's great value for a 4th or 5th round pick.
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Hes the USC transfer right?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
The only info I get on him is BYU.
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Yea he played for BYU but I think was a USC transfer
I vaguely remember the name and looking into him. Strong frame if I remember right.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah he has a good video to watch it's like 20 minutes long.
I like him as a DE in the 3-4 and could replace Dorsey if we traded him away.
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yeah he is a USC transfer played for my byu cougars for a year he would be an awesome value pick
by ryanishere on Jan 24, 2012 8:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
ryan.....I've been keeping an eye on The Chief's first round pick in 2014, WR, Ross Apo
.what do you know about the kid?
/no skitzo
DeCastro would be nice at #11/12 but..
1)vontaze burfict/silb-arz st(trade down)
2)derek wolfe/5t de-cin(trade down)
3)doug martin-boise st
3)bobby massie/rt-ole miss(trade down pick)
4)lonnie edwards/g-texas tech(glen dorsey trade)
4)nicolas jean-baptise/nt-baylor
4)neiko thorpe/s-auburn(trade down pick)
5)philip lutzenkirchen/te-auburn
6)greg mcCoy/cb,kr-tcu
7)t-bob hebert/c-lsu
7)demario belcher/wr-indiana
#trading up for rg3 best case scenario
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 23, 2012 3:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No trades
1)david deCastro/g-stanford
2)chris polk/rb-washington
3/bobby massie/rt-ole miss
4)nicolas jean-baptise/nt-baylor
5)j.r sweezy/5tec,de-n.carolina st
6)anthony miller/te-cal
7)janzen jackson/s-tenn
7)t-bob hebert/c-lsu
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Here is mine.
Prelude:
(RGIII blows the lid off the combine IN INDI then Indi goes on to pick him 1st overall)
(Miami signs Matt Flynn, Washington signs Peyton Manning)
Still with me?
Ok, Chiefs send Bowe, Dorsey, 11th overall, and 2nd next year to St Louis for #2 overall
1. Andrew Luck
2. Vontaze Burflict
3. Best tackle on the board
4. Who cares
5. Draft my mom for all I care
6. Woooo hoooo we’ve got a QB
7. A parrot.
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions
Not impossible.
If RGIII lights it up Irsay might want to go in a completely different direction rather then deal with the risk of Luck(who is more like manning) not living up to his fans expectations because he will always be compared to Manning.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
ORRRRRRRRR
Second mock.
Move back in the 1st to around the 25th, grab a second 2nd rounder
1. Foles
2. Burflict
2. Best Tackle on the board
3. So on and so forth
4. Just get a QB
5. Draft my mom for all I care
6. Woooo hoooo we’ve got a QB
7. A parrot.
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
He probably won’t be around in the 2nd, and this way we got another 2nd. I wouldn’t be down with taking him at 11, but I have no problem taking him at the bottom of the 1st.
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Reach. He'd be the Tyson Jackson of QBs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
So you're saying theres a chance?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I disagree with that analogy :)
I do think Foles could go early, I’m just not sold on him as an upgrade over Cassel/Orton/Stanzi
I'm almost desperate enough to find out.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Fat, drunk and desperate is no way to go through life, son.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm not fond of parrot at 7...much rather have donkey, out of Badlands St
7. A parrot
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Yeah
I might go with a Duckbilled platipuss in the 7th round.
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If KC takes Foles in the 1st (and I hate it regardless)
I’d hope they move back to THE LAST PICK of the round and stock pile 2s, 3s and 4s.
I don’t even know how many they could gain, but it would be an ass-load.
In accordance with the prophecy
In this scenario, will the parrot play opposite Baldwin or does Breaston move to #2?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Heres mine...
Move back in the first and get another 2nd.
1. NT Dontari Poe
2a. OT Zebrie Sanders
2b. OG Kevin Zeitler
3. TE Fleener. If hes not there id go runningback assuming we dont get the law firm, grant, hillis or lynch and get a tight end later
4. ILB Audie Cole
5. WR Jarius Wright
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 23, 2012 1:50 PM CST reply actions
I like that
Though I really doubt Fleener will be there in the 3rd. I’d also prefer some depth in the secondary to a WR in the 5th.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Like this
I don’t see Cole lasting until the 4th. Could see him in the 3rd then pick up TE/RB depth in the 4th. This looks like the draftek.com mock sim I just ran.
by TheValleybetterthanPAC12 on Jan 24, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else think Alex Smith looked like Matt Cassel yesterday?
Poor 49ers are going to be forced to pay him 10M$/season. We can empathize with them.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Exactly like him
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
All those throws to receivers feet in the late fourth and OT looked like they subbed in Cassel.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
And the
10 second pocket sacks.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I caught myself saying,
Throw the fucking ball Cassel
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Yeah, that being said I've watched 2 49er games all year
I love their playcalling, especially that reverse end around where the WR took the ball from the right wing, reversed his direction and the guards were pulling to the right. That explanation probably made no sense unless you know what play I’m talking about.
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
I saw it and loved it. Wish we had someone
to coordinate some cool unexpecting plays.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
I'm guessing not the one where they all crashed into eachother and almost gave the Giants the ball on their 15 yard line?
I know which one. And ya they do put him in a better position to succeed then we do for Cassel.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I liked that misdirection play.
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Yeah but he so much better than Cassel because he was a 1st pick.
If the 49ers had one good WR they would’ve won that game, that and Ginn playing instead of he who shall not be mentioned.
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Yeah. Davis can't make every catch for 'em.
Wonder if the ’9ers will go hard after WRs, now. Seems like they can afford to tilt that way, and still have a solid foundation.
would of ≠ would've
I think they would be crazy not too.
Maybe we could trade them Bowe for Willis and a 3rd round pick:P They have Morgan and Crabtree but they disappear or seem to every game. They need a good WR badly or they need Crabtree and Morgan to step up their game.
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Possible O line depth chart IF we don't get RG3 (sob)
LT – Albert, Massie/Mosley/Datko
LG – Lilja, Glenn/Zeitler
C – Hudson, Harris
RG – Asamoah, Harris
RT – Massie/Mosley/Datko, Richardson/Mims
That’s eight quality O linemen with two picks and no FAs. Get to the back of the first round and get our guard, get to the back of the second round and get our tackle.
The upshot is we should net a 2013 2nd and 3rd rounder, or even two 2nd rounders. Three 2nd rounders would be great ammo to move up into the top five for a 2013 QB…….assuming there is a 2013.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That's not a bad o-line at all.
I agree we could trade back and still get good players along with some extra picks. Although IMHO R.Stanzi will be our starter in 2013 and he might surprise some people this year. I think we should keep Orton and trade Cassel away for a 3rd round pick
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You think Stanzi would start over Orton then?
My friend, you got the Stanzitis real bad.
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I doubt he would this coming year, but the next, ya.
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You spiked your koolaid.
I need to get me some of that.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Trade our 1ST
to the Pats, for a proven pro bowl Guard. Brian Waters, if we had him we’d be in the Super Bowl this year.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Could happen.
Melvin Ingram is a guy that Belichick would be drooling over picking and he’s slated right around our pick.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Or Coples.
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Just seems like Coples takes plays off or just doesn't give 100 % all the time.
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I haven't seen him live much. Does it look like he's lazy, or he just gets tired?
I thought the same thing about JPP at South Florida, he was always gassing out. Never though he’d make an impact in the NFL. I guess they just weren’t rotating him often enough.
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Who knows what the reall reason is, but it just comes off as being Lazy too me.
It’s like he’s too good to chase plays down.
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That actually reminds me of what I thought about Rolando McClain.
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Ingram is a Belichick type player
Can play all four LB spots, 4-3 DE and DT in passing sub packages. Runs as fast or faster then most RBs and has a full repetoire of pass rush moves.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
Take DeCastro in the first.
Take Hightower/Burfict/Allen/Fleener in the second.
I don’t give a parakeet about the rest, but Terrance Ganaway would be fine.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 2:21 PM CST reply actions
CBS
1.David DeCastro
2.Chase Minnifield
3.Matt McCants
4.Alameda Ta’amu
5.Terrance Ganaway
6.Janzen Jackson
7.Levy Adcock
7.Chase Ford
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
how good of a value could Ta'amu be in the 4th?
crazy.
he weighed in at 341 at the Senior Bowl, reportedly carried it well and looked “solid” per Wes Bunting
He needs work, by no means a great prospect people tagged him as coming into the season
Great value that late though as NT/DE
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Minnifield is my pet second round steal this year.
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I like him as a FS/CB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Minnifield at #43 would mean he slipped.
Nice pickup, if he were still there, imo.
would of ≠ would've
I have concerns about Ganaway
Screams Maurice Clarrett to me. Like he’d just balloon up and be no good at the drop of a hat.
Looks to be a good fit in a ZBS while bringing some power to the backfield
for the cost of a 5th, I could live with it. Hoping we bring in some UDFA’s as well to work that position over
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I just hate to even draft a guy who has his toughness questioned by his own coaches…for any reason or length of time.
Kind of surprised no one has pointed out JJ in mine, for his issues
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Might as well haha
But really, for a 6th round pick and his upside.. have to take the shot that late.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ok here's my revised mock draft #4
1- DeCastro OG
2- Burfict SILB
3- Pierce RB
4- Mosley OT
5- Fangupo NT
6- Stoneburner TE
7- Asa Jackson CB
7-Damien Jackson S
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Do like Pierce, not sure if we would go RB that high though
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Just think we need to address that position with a player that could take over if J.C got hurt again or isn't even the same guy after the injury.
We have to have 2 good RBs if we stay a run first team, and Pierce would be a good addition.
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Doesn't have great speed but has some power/shiftyness
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
What he lacks in speed he makes up for by running hard. I also like V.Ballard who might make more sense for us since he could be picked in the 5th round.
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Havn't seen much of him, has been a lot of positive talk on here about him
Not sure where Martin is ranked, but he is a very nice looking ZBS back
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah sometime I forget about the ZBS theme when I look at guys.
I like guys who don’t run out of bounds to avoid contact, which way they fall after contact, things like that. D.Wilson has freakish balance and leg strength I like that kid too.
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Good crop of RBs this year
and with how the RBs have been falling every year, could be good ones available late
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Vick Ballard in the 5th range is very underrated because he played on a team with no passing game and still average 6.1 ypc against stacked boxes.
Brandon Bolden of Ole Miss also slated to go late and he’s a guy that was setup to have a huge year this year and got injured but is also a 6+ ypc guy against 8 in the box all damn game.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
You and Pioli :)
Lovin on those Mississippi Boys
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather have mike Adams OT From Ohio St.
with the second pick but he may not last that long.
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Yeah I don't see him lasting that long.
With Burfict our LBer core would be one of the best in the league.
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this ^^^
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I keep reading this about him
You guys watch alot of Arizona State games, or is this all from reports/articles?
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
About 2/3 of the time I watched AZ State, he was on the bench.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He did have a bad year
But he’s still got stud written all over him if he’s in a lockerroom and with a coaching staff that can harness his issues and redirect that energy to football.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I gotta admit
If I was a good looking dude going to Arizona State, the last thing I’d be thinking about is football.
by craig in calgary on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Tebow H. Christ.....
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
What:P
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On CBS rankings he is gone by our second
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Why do all of you think Burfict will be taken in the 2nd round?
All the mock drafts I have seen on the web have him as a 1st rounder. If he makes it to Baltimore or Pittsburgh, he’s gone.
It's Orton Time!
Because of his horrid play this year, and issues on and off the field
He is likely to drop
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
yep, I've seen him as late as the 3rd/4th round
guy got benched his senior year… in college…not a good sign
CBS has him at 87
Most people have gotten off the hype train
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think the hype was built on expectations that he'd blossom in his senior year
which obviously didn’t happen. He probably qualifies as a luxury pick prior to the 3rd round.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Yeah, he had big hits and some highlight plays
People expected a lot, and he regressed this year. In the third I would be fine with it, if we didn’t come away with Hightower in the 2nd
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
junior year*
he woulda been a senior next year.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Jan 25, 2012 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
What I would do.........
Swap our 1st round pick with someone like….the Bengals for their 2nd and 3rd round pick (Like the Redskins did a year ago), since I believe they will try to get Trent Richardson. Plus, they have two first rounders and can afford to give away some higher picks. Thus, I would pickup:
1. Don’ta Hightower or Burfict ILB
I don’t think either one will be available in the 2nd. Many experts think the same thing, contrary to what I’ve seen on AP. As a GM, I know Chiefs nation will be exploding about why I didn’t take an elite tackle, so, with my first 2nd rounder I would take:
2. Mike Adams, Zebrie Sanders or Kelechi Osemele in that order. OT/G
Now, I have collected an extra 2nd rounder thanks to the awesome way I do buisness :) I will use this as a luxury pick and take:
2. Stephon Gillmore or Jayron Hosley CB
I choose cornerback for insurance in case Carr leaves, or I could plug one of these guys in the slot to compete with Javier Arenas. Now, I will again go defense with my first third rounder and take:
3. Nick Jean Baptiste NT
Nobody at the shrine game could stop him. He was constantly causing defenders trouble. With my second third rounder, I take:
3. Bernard Pierce RB
This running back is the real deal, even if he comes out of Temple. You may think he is just a MAC runner who chewed through easy defenses, but you are wrong. Even against Penn State, a team in football known as a heavy defensive team, he blasted right through them. He is perfect size, and should be a great compliment to Jamaal Charles. For my fourth round pick, I choose a local hero:
4. Micheal Egnew TE
I really don’t know about he blocking, but coming into the season he had a lot of hype. What I do know is this kid is a great pass catcher, and finds ways to get open. He was James Franklin’s favorite target. I really am high on this TE.
It's Orton Time!
Hightower in round 1?
He’s a 3rd round talent at best and that might be generous. I like Gilmore though and Egnew.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Although Gilmore is a starting, bump and run cover corner not a slot guy.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
How is Hightower a 3rd round talent?!
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
Because he's big and slow and benefitted from one of the best lines in the country
He’s a slower, not as talented version of McClain who’s proving he was a 2nd round talent at best.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
I see the opposite
Not sure how they will match up in the 40, however Hightower has been better in coverage and rushing the passer
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
I think McCLain appears faster because he had better instincts, in the run game at least.
I’’m not big on Bama ILBs. Upshaw though? He’s a beast.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
He will turn out to be a hell of a SOLB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
I do think Hightower drops further than predicted.
Seems like every year ILB’s fall down the board on draft day. Plus I get the feeling Hightower is going to put up a really slow forty time and scare a lot of teams away (ala. Spikes)
Why couldn't we use Upshaw at SILB
he has cover skills
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Could, but would it be worth the 11/12th pick?
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit
maybe, but we have a ton of Linebackers now
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
The enemy would have NO idea who would blitz?
Hali
Berry
Arenas
Flowers
Johnson
Upshaw
Houston
…
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
and we get a nice Right tackle in the 2nd round
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think Upshaw may well end up in NE.
Might be what they wanted in Adalius Thomas, without all the attitude.
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The Chiefs are soooooooooooooooooo close
to being a more dominate D than Pittsburgh and Baltimore
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
Need some middle stout. That's the only place Denver had success the second time around.
I have high hopes for Powe. Look how many of the best NTs right now were very low draft picks. Maybe…..all of them except Wilfork?
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or Free agents
usually in the 28-30 year old range.
NT is not a position for Young men :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
So we need another free agent next year?
Wait….Powe was a pretty old rookie. Might already have most of his man muscles.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
we could flip Powe and Gregg
and still not have to go outside the roster.
Would have to re-sign Gregg, though.
Which would be a good idea if he wanted to continue to play and coach at the same time
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be down with that if Gregg would.
In the meantime, bring in another late rounder and get him started on the road to Garay-ness.
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agree
turning out NT’s would be more proffitable than QB’s anyhows
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs played it so that they could make some headway up the middle.
Wanted to keep Tebow from breaking contain outside and run up the gut, if he was gonna run. I think it took some of the starch out of him.
would of ≠ would've
Make him run up the gut, I mean.
At least I heard that, somewhere.
It was surprising that you’d let them get ANY traction up the middle, but it turned out to be pretty hard to convert 1sts with only that.
would of ≠ would've
Yeah, I had that in mind when I made that comment.
I bet they pretty well left Gregg alone in the middle there.
I think with Tebow’s current skill level, a team could afford to let him roll out to his right and just do a max contain to his left.
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I don't see him making it out of the 2nd round
Yes he will drop some, although Burfict has pretty much helped Hightower out
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's going to be seen as a 3-4 specialist.
Hopefully that drops him to where we can afford him. He should be real good in a 3-4, can probably play both strong-side linebacker spots. And blitz from the inside like we saw Sheffield do a few times this year.
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I still think STude would have made a good fit at SILB
Was nice to see the change of pace with Sheff in there
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm really surprised they haven't stuck Studie in there yet.
His struggles against the run come from crashing inside too much, so maybe he has trouble recognizing plays.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'd love to see Sheff develop into a starter there
Definitely has the size to hold up.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I was at the Temple-Penn State game
Pierce had his worst game of the season. Seven of his seventeen carries went for zero yards or a loss. Like him as a prospect, but the Owls O-line and Pierce weren’t effective that day.
Charlie Campbell of Walterfootball.com updated his mockdraft! Wahoo! Wahoo?
1. Ryan Tannehill (Are you kidding me?)
2. Lamar Miller (That’s passing over Mike Adams folks)
3. Alameda Ta’amu (Really? That late….ok…sure…)
4. Ryan Broyles (If he fell to us….our passing offense would be fire whoever is in QB)
???
It's Orton Time!
Tannehill doesn't strike me as a Pioli type QB at all.
I can see Taamu dropping and I don’t get the Broyles pick unless they expect Bowe to be gone.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Broyles would be a value pick
he’s probably a Breaston-type player?
or maybe a slot guy or deep-specialist?
Kind of an Austin Collie type.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
But if we sign Bowe do we really need another mouth to feed?
Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki, McCluster, new TE, Charles out of the backfield.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
In the 4th round at least*
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by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Tannehill a Tight-End before becoming a QB?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 23, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
A reverse Matt Jones?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Our terrible offense needs this entire draft.
Eric Berry will be back. Brandon Carr will be back. Find some veteran blood to deepen an already great defense,
Bowe left. But Pioli did get both of the Eagles 2nd round picks in this coming draft.
I’m getting more and more excited about our o-line. I like your one-two stags.
1st – DeCastro G
2nd – Sanders OT
2nd – Fleener/TE/Stanford
2nd – Ben Jones/C/Georgia
3rd – Quick/WR/Appalachian State
4th – Cyrus Gray/RB/A&M
5th – Ballard/RB/Miss St
6th – Tommy Streeter/WR/Miami
How good would our offense be with this group joining? What would your offensive draft look like? I know, I know, balance is important. This is just for fun.
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
Man, I tried to think through all offense, but I couldn't do it.
TWO running backs? I could see it if both Jones and Battle left. Hmmm…. Maybe in that case, switch Jones for a second round back like Polk, then switch Ballard for a QB like BJ Coleman. Yeah, I think that makes more sense to me, because with DeCastro there you guarantee that either Jones or Hudson would sit with no hope of playing time any time soon, and that’d be a waste of a 2nd round pick.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
fer Bowe of course! :)
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by Chiefs_swagger on Jan 23, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
i like
1. t kalil
2. g decastro
3. wr ryan broyles
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Jan 23, 2012 4:28 PM CST reply actions
Kalil is out of reach
Decastro will be as far as Neptune by the time we make our 2nd round selection.
It's Orton Time!
Why is that?
Best LT in this draft
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
I saw somebody's top five O linemen the other day, maybe Kiper's,
and none of them were tackles. Might see some weird things in the top ten this year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Eh they say stupid crap all the time to get attention
No way there are 5 interior guys better than Kalil
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Care to explain?
or is cuz the only reason?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
cuz i think he will fall to us
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Jan 23, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Great reasoning, thanks for taking the time to explain
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 5:43 AM CST up reply actions
no way, the rest of the Nfl is not that stupid, if they were...
Chiefs picks,#1 Luck#2Kalil#3DeCastro…get the idea?
Uh what idea?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Draft news:
Mike Adams supposedly looked like a beast at the Senior Bowl practice today. Keep that in mind with your mocks. Chris Polk and Russel Wilson too.
It's Orton Time!
also from the Bowl
KC spent a ot of time with Isaiah Pead
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1621321/isaiah-pead
I would be happy plugging him into this draft in the 3rd, then grabbing S depth in the 5th
by stagdsp on Jan 23, 2012 5:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's got good posted numbers, but I didn't really see it with him the few Cincy games I was able to catch.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
A lot of touches already for him
Would take a later round pick on him
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Mine
Chiefs trade Dorsey for a third and take:
1: Michael Brockers DE LSU: Young but very talented, crazy upside here. Could step right into Dorsey’s place and allow the Chief’s to get more pressure in their base sets.
2: Zebrie Sanders RT FSU: You can bet Pioli is drilling Hudson right now on his former teammate at FSU. Solid right tackle with the ability to slide to the left side in a pinch. Experience with the ZBS.
3A: Orson Charles TE Georgia: I feel like Charles gets overlooked a bit in the shadow of Allen and Fleener and drops to the third. Still a very talented tight end with very high potential. Better blocker than Fleener but agile for his size.
3B: Brandon Washington G Miami or Kevin Zeitler G Wisc: Both look like good options at G. Would probably have to sit a year behind Lilja, but I feel like Lilja will be an all right stop gap with a larger center next to him.
4: Antonio Allen SS/LB: Chiefs get some solid saftey depth and an answer to the tight ends that have killed them the last few years. Takes over McGraws role in sub packages.
5: Vick Ballard RB Miss St.: This guy still put up good numbers in the SEC even though everyone stacked the box against him. Other options would be Brandon Bolden and Terrance Gannaway
6: BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga: Another late round developmental prospect. Has the tools just needs time to develop. Looked good in Shrine game practices, originally a Tennesse recruit, has the physical attributes Pioli likes.
7: Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina: Small school guy with good size (6-feet-2-inches tall and 190 pounds) and good ball skills. Looked impressive at the East-West shrine game practices with multiple picks. Good late round flyer.
7: Janzen Jackson FS McNeese State: Eric Berry’s former teammate, looked really good at Tennessee. Got kicked out of Tennessee for drugs, switched to corner at McNeese state and didn’t look all that great. Good value on a guy with real talent who drops till real late because of character concerns. More safety depth.
Nossir. I don't like it.
The first pick, that is. The rest, I like quite a bit. But trading a solid run stopper for another LSU product who only had one productive year and would take another three years to develop…..meh.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I like it alot
Especially if Zeitler drops down that far which I just don’t see happening.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Make that first pick Dontari Poe and thats a wonderful draft
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I seriously don't get the man crush everyone has on Poe...
It’s easy to look at his size on paper and be impressed, but he doesn’t look all that good on tape and doesn’t really have the dominant production against the lack luster competition he faced. One of the more over-rated prospects in the draft this year IMHO.
Marc Boerigter 2.0?
Appalachian State WR Brian Quick measured 6-foot-3 1/2 and 222 pounds at Monday’s Senior Bowl weigh-in.
Per CBS Sports’ Rob Rang, Quick was “one of the more physically impressive players on either roster.” Quick has tackle-like 33 1/2-inch arms and the ideal length and body type for a big-time NFL receiver. Currently a projected second-day pick, Quick could be one of the bigger risers at this year’s Senior Bowl if he capitalizes on Michael Floyd and Kendall Wright’s absences.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Same physical specimen
Small school. Who knows.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone know if this kid can run?
That was what made Boerigter so good. Big, physical WR that ran like an antelope. Like Gronk.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Remind you of a running back on the Chiefs roster?
Boise State running back Doug Martin (5-9, 219) looks like a body builder. Like Lavonte David, there isn’t an ounce of fat on Martin.
It's Orton Time!
Another running back of interest....
Mississippi State running back Vick Ballard (5-10, 217) has an excellent build. He has a strong upper body that looks like good armor to take the pounding that comes with his position.
It's Orton Time!
And finally, the not-so-positive
Baylor running back Terrance Ganaway (5-11, 241) needs to lose some fat. He should drop some weight around a midsection that looked too soft for a running back. Dropping a few pounds should make him quicker as well.
It's Orton Time!
241.. might as well add another 100 and switch him to NT!
I mean.. we keep switching Dline to Oline, why not a RB to NT
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dex might give him a run for his money
or run away when Mims is hungry…
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I like Ballard alot
He’ll be a steal in this draft if he goes where he’s projected.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like him
Too slow and disappears in big games. Poor YPC. Not sure why he is such a fan favorite. I am guessing it is his size.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
He disappears because he was the focal point of the offense
Teams stacked the box and dared msu to beat them through the air, which they were unable to do.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
by super8: I like those stumpy RBs. Low to the ground. Demoralizing when those guys get to the 2nd level
and DBs have to tackle them.
would of ≠ would've
Here we go again..
1. David DeCastro – G – Stanford
Franchise player. Best G to come out since Logan Mankins and the most “sure thing” prospect on the O-Line since Joe Thomas. Day one starter at LG.
Last week’s pick: Same
2. Don’ta Hightower – ILB – Alabama
Franchise player. Perfect fit at SILB. Already knows the position and has been successful against top-level competition. Belcher should be relegated to the role of situational ILB and special teamer. Day one starter at SILB.
Last week’s pick: Same
3. Ladarius Green – TE – La-Lafayette
It is becoming more and more like a TEs league and the Chiefs need another option at this position. Didn’t play against elite competition every week, but has been productive in big games. Great height and a frame to add more weight. Has lined up in the backfield and slot, as well as off-tackle. Still a work in progress, but a matchup nightmare.
Last week’s pick: Andrew Datko – T – Florida St.
4. Tramain Thomas – S – Arkansas
Provides much-needed depth at the safety position. Good ball skills and good in run support. Complete safety. Doesn’t have ideal height, but has been productive against top-level competition.
Last week’s pick: Isaiah Pead – RB – Cincinnati
5. Charles Brown – CB – UNC
Has played well out of the nickel position and will probably be the best fit at that position in the NFL. Better matchup against slot receivers than Jalil Brown and could give Arenas a break at the “star” position. Some off-the-field worries and the fact that he is a pure slot corner drop his stock.
Last week’s pick: Ryan Steed – CB – Furman
6. Aaron Corp – QB – Richmond
Transfer from USC. Decent size. Good accuracy. Not the greatest arm strength. Better than Palko.
Last week’s pick: Moe Petrus – G/C – Connecticut
7. Moe Petrus – G/C – Connecticut
Need a backup at center behind Hudson. Versatile. Drops due to lack of size, but I think he can play at this level.
Last week’s pick: Phillip Payne – WR – UNLV
Last year’s final mock:
1. Phil Taylor – NT – Baylor
2. Jon Baldwin – WR – Pitt
3. Jeremy Beal – DE/OLB – Oklahaoma
4. Stephen Schilling – G/T – Michigan
5a. Jake Kirkpatrick – C – TCU
5b. Kelvin Sheppard – ILB – LSU
6. T.J. Yates – QB – North Carolina
7. Mana Silva – S – Hawaii
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Not much of an endorsement
Better than Palko.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 23, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Why change the Pead pick after the Chiefs spent a long time talking to him?
Doesn’t make sense to me.
https://twitter.com/#!/super8kc
I really like Pead a lot
I think YPC is probably the best predictor for success at the NFL level and Pead was a 6.6 last year I believe. He has 4.4 speed and good size.
I think he will gone before we pick in the 3rd, and I wouldn’t pick a RB before than given the depth of this year’s FA class.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
5.3 ypc according to Yahoo!.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah, that was this year
Last year was 6.6. The year before was 6.7.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
So he's getting worse?
Not reassured.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
By the way
if we were to pickup Hightower/Burfict, would we really need Belcher anymore? We do have Siler, so he could be backup instead.
https://twitter.com/#!/super8kc
No
SOLB1: Tamba Hali
SILB1: Don’ta Hightower
WILB1: Derrick Johnson
WOLB1: Justin Houstin
SOLB2: Cameron Sheffield
SILB2: Brandon Siler
WILB2: Vontaze Burfict
WOLB2: Andy Studebaker or Gabe Miller
It is possible that we double-dip here, but I just don’t know if we can afford to with as many needs as we have.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I'm curious about Green. Reminds me of Jermichael Finley.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
First time poster
1. David Decastro OG Stanford- Rare talent at OG, in this situation its ok in my opinion to reach for this position because he can take our run game to the next level.
2. Dontari Poe NT Memphis- Probably my man crush of the draft. I really believe that a guy who could be a dominant nose tackle could put us as a top 5 defense for years to come. Hopefully Pioli agrees
3. Vontaze Burfict ILB ASU- I know a lot of people are scared of him because of his character concerns and lack of production this season, but I think he could bring a nasty streak to the defense that we need.
4. Brandon Mosely OT Auburn- B-Rich can’t start next year or we’re in trouble. I think Mosely could be an upgrade here.
5. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin- Pioli said he wanted to take a QB every year. Here’s a guy who’s been successful at 2 different schools. I have a good feeling about him with a bit of coaching could be a good one.
6 and 7 not too sure I’m not familiar with these late round prospects yet.
Let me know what you think!
Why is Poe your man crush?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 5:44 AM CST up reply actions
I’ve seen Poe play a few times and it is crazy how athletic he is for a 350 pound man. I think if we plug him in at NT DJ can only get better. That’s pretty scary to think about.
by Ncchief31 on Jan 24, 2012 6:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I dunno. Sounds like a po' defense, to me.
I’d love to see a boulder in the middle, like that.
would of ≠ would've
I'm liking Mosley for a RT/LT backup.
I bet he moves up on boards, though.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Here is mine:
1) David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
DeCastro / Asamoah will lock down the Guard spots for the next 5-10 years.
2) Mike Adams – OT – Ohio State
B. Rich’s replacement
3) Markelle Martin – S – Oklahoma State
Depth at Safty.
4) Audie Cole – ILB – North Carolina State
Will play next to D.J. for the next 4-5 years.
5) Terrance Ganaway – RB – Baylor
TJ’s replacement.
6) Chandler Harnish – QB – Northern Illinois
Developmental QB much like Stanzi (Pioli said he would like to take a QB each year).
7) Brad Herman – TE – Iowa
Pioli loves him some TE’s…he also loves him some Iowa Football players.
I think it is 100% realistic that all picks can be had without trading up/down.
DeCastro & Martin both play positions that we need AND are ranked #1 for their position. A lot of folks on AP are really high on Mike Adams (as am I). Terrance Ganaway could be the steal of the draft, and Harnish much like Brady / Stanzi is a developmental guy that could end up being a quality starter. Stanzi has already worked with (build report) with Herman.
I know there are also a lot of folks on AP that want us to draft a QBOTF this year….it’s not going to happen. There are only 2 QB’s who are ‘locks’ (Luck and RGIII)….neither will be available when we draft (and it will cost WAY more than they are worth to trade up to get them).
The good news is with DeCastro / Adams to fill our holes on O-Line, getting Charles back, and a young Ganaway…saints_chiefsfan1979 mom would look like Brady / Manning playing behind THAT line with THOSE RB’s.
by DivineGrace on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Mike adams will not be avalible in the 2nd
St louis/jags/miami/& sea will all want him before our pick..
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 23, 2012 11:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mike Adams is a beast and might not make it to the 11/12th pick in the 2nd.
I would be fine with any of the following in the 2nd in order I would rank them…
…Mike Adams – OT – Ohio State (of course).
…Zebrie Sanders – OT – Florida State (if Mike Adams is gone…Zebrie Sanders is likely gone too)
…Dwayne Allen – TE – Clemson
…Dontari Poe – DT – Memphis (I went to Memphis, go Tigers!!!)
…Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
…Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina (If we let Carr walk move him up a couple spots)
…Dont’a Hightower – ILB – Alabama
ONE of those guys will fall to us in the 2nd. Any/All of them would be nice additions to the KC Chiefs (IMO).
So far, what little I've seen, I liked Sanders more all-around than Adams, who might not be up to
the pass pro’ job. Still watching Senior Bowl week. But some good 1-on-1 drills, where one DL works his way down the OL. Sanders appeared to be a little bit quicker for that job.
Osemele also looked kind of weak in pass pro’. It’s something you might not see week in and week out against collegiate competition, but becomes more obvious during an all-star week, which is the closest thing to the NFL he’s seen so far.
would of ≠ would've
Love this one if it would happen.
While we are hoping, it would be the best draft ever if we were able to snag D. Poe with the third. I have dreams of Poe playing end instead of DT like may think. DeCastro, Adams, and Poe? Best case senario.
D. Poe could be a starter while Martin would be depth / nickle / dime kinda guy.
I penciled in Martin in the 3rd for two reasons…
1) he is the top ranked S in the draft.
2) we NEED depth at S.
I would not be upset if we tooke Poe instead of Martin though. (Only IF Powe isn’t working out…many including myself were high on Powe last year…some had us taking him in the 3rd, instead of the 6th where we ended up drafting him).
by DivineGrace on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Martin isn't the top ranked safety in the class
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
According to cbssports.com he is...
Overall: 67
Position Rank: 1
by DivineGrace on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Disclaimer: Martin is the top ranked FS, there is indeed a higher ranked SS...at 18 overall Mark Barron.
That said…if Martin falls to us in the 3rd he will be a great additon/depth to our secondary.
by DivineGrace on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Love it except,
I would change that 3rd Rounder to Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE. He’s been falling lately and could be there and we do need d line help. After watching the AFC championship game and baltimores massive d line ive decided i want one ha.
1. NT Dontari Poe
2. OT Zebrie Sanders or Mike Adams or Massie or Potter (in that order)
3. NT/DE Alameda Ta’amu
4. OG Brandon Brooks
5. ILB Audie Cole
6,7a,7b- TE Depth and Secondary Depth
Resign- Bowe, Carr, Orton
FA- Benjarvis green-ellis or ryan grant
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 23, 2012 10:55 PM CST reply actions
We would dominate the line of scrimmage
on both sides of the ball for the next 5-10 years
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 23, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
My new mock draft. Trade back to Cincinatti for their pick at #21 and pick up a second rounder.
1 (21). Dont’a Hightower, SILB, Alabama
The leader of the best defense in college football with massive experience in the middle of a 3-4 defense. He should immediately be a big upgrade over Belcher and is capable of blitzing, run stuffing, and playing zone coverage effectively.
2. Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
The Chiefs need a RT and Sanders has a lot of experience in a ZBS. He should start right away ahead of Richardson.
2. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
A balanced TE that is both solid as a blocker and good in the passing game. I believe he is a very good compliment to Moeaki.
3. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
A fierce guard with that mean streak you love in the middle. Quality depth and competition for Lilja.
4. Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
A big safety that looks very good in his angles and timing on passing plays and running plays. Should provide quality depth and could be used against TE’s.
5. Vick Ballard, RB, Miss St.
A powerful downhill runner that produced in the SEC despite teams stacking 8 in the box.
6. Tashaun Gipson, CB, Wyoming
6’ 195 lb CB with 4.49 speed that is developmental and provides ST help and CB depth.
7. Jarrett Lee, QB, LSU
Most likely a career backup QB at best but he does have some tools and could be a steal.
7. Ethan Johnson, DE, Notre Dame
A late flier on some defense line help and a potential developmental player on the line with experience as a 5 tech.
Hightower may be the slowest lb in the draft..
People need to know that..
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 23, 2012 11:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
what makes you think that at all?
other than scouting reports from when he was recovering from his knee injury. He is instinctive and he is quick for his size. No he doesn’t have 4.4 or 4.5 speed but he is fast enough to drop into zone coverage and fill the holes between the tackles. He is also a 3 down linebacker because of his ability to be an effective blitzer on passing downs. He will run a round a 4.75 40 time which isn’t blazing fast but he certainly isn’t the slowest lb in the draft.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
I have seen people claim Hightower has been clocked as low as 4.65
However that is not too important in our scheme, if the SILB can stack/shed and drop into a zone.. its good. If he is good enough to cover TEs(which ’Bama asked him to do) its even better, if he can rush the passer, its even better.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 5:49 AM CST up reply actions
Who cares?
Yes, he is a pure 34 ILB, but he will be our SILB. We need him to take on blocks and be able to make tackles (Belcher can only do the first part of that) as well as drop back into coverage. He can already call the defense and has great instincts. Good leadership.
Yes, he will probably drop to the 2nd due to his timed speed, much like Brandon Spikes did. Look what he is doing in NE, despite his 5.0 time at the Combine. There is a difference between timed speed and football speed, and Hightower has good enough instincts that he can make up for lack of timed speed.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I don't think he falls to the second.
With Pitt and Balty right there at the end of the first i doubt he falls past them. Both could use a leader at SILB.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 24, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Pitt needs other things worse than SILB.
Baltimore, I don’t know much about except they still have RayRay. But seems like they could have some needs on offense.
Scheme-specific players almost always fall in the draft.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Barrett Ruud ran a 4.8
and dropped to the top of the 2nd round because of it. Then he became the leader of the Buccs defense. Then they didn’t resign him and the defense sucked. You are correct that speed isn’t everything. Plus he would be a great complement to DJ.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
Ruud was a 4-3 linebacker with 4.8 speed so was Rey to the Bengals.
A 3-4 SILB doesn’t need elite speed so unless Hightower runs a 4.9 or slower i don’t see him dropping.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 24, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
You are right
But the fact that Hightower will be a “34 only” ILB drops his stock due to the number of 34 teams looking for an ILB and the fact that he will probably time poorly will drop his stock even more.
I see him going in the early second. Just hope he falls to us.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
The Steelers and Ravens could use ILB help
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
They could also go after Adams if he is there, or even Burfict who should look better in shorts at the combine
raise his stock a little
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
They have a hole at NT now too
Hampton is likely to get cut, hes having ACL surgery and is owed like 5 mill or something.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't know he was needing surgery
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Its pretty recent
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/26/casey-hampton-will-undergo-acl-surgery/
Sad, he might retire. 3rd ACL surgery in his career, and at 34 he cant go forever.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Wonder who they will target for NT
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 5:43 AM CST up reply actions
Shaun Rogers?
Draft-wise, it seems like a lot of the successful 2-gap NTs nowadays come from the middle rounds or later. Just my impression (Soap, Soliai, Garay, Franklin last year).
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
did you watch the National Championship game?
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Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Brand New Mock w/a Trade
FA Period: Franchise Bowe, Carr, Daniels, McClain, Orton, Gordon, Rob Ninkovich, Tender who we need to.
1)TRADE: Bears shoot us #19 & their two 3rds to move up to 12th overall leapfrogging the Cards for a falling Tackle. With Emery likely hired I could see us trading within the family so to speak, and its reasonable when you look at the trade chart.
1B) Mike Adams OT OSU – Finally we draft our first round tackle, Adams is an ideal RT and I expect him to come right in and start immediately. He’s a great run blocker, that shows athleticism to hit downfield blocks and a nastiness to his play. Bit high for him but we aren’t afraid to reach, and a host of different teams that need tackle help are right behind so its not that bad.
Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv2pQBkBDrk
2) Alameda Ta’amu DE/NT/DT Washington – Racking my brain I really can’t think of anybody I like at this spot. So I take a chance on Ta’amu. I don’t really like him as a prospect but he’s got all the measurables, is a freak athletically and he’s a guy I could see Crennel voting for. If he develops right he could become an absolute beast and play every position on the line.
3A) Senio Kelemete OG Washington – Is a former tackle and shows great athleticism, but is a much better fit at guard because he lacks ideal height. A raw prospect being a former DT, and will take a year to develop. He’ll be this year’s Asamoah/Hudson and begin starting at LG by 2013.
3B) Antonio Allen S/LB S. Car – We’ve had serious problems in our 2ndary and Allen provides a good skill set to combat that. Solid in run defending and against the pass, he’s a guy I could see being a very good role player for many years, maybe even usurp some starting minutes.
3C) Doug Martin RB Boise State – From reports we’ve been very interested in running backs and I see us drafting one this year. Martin is still available and we pull the trigger. He’s one of my favorite backs in the draft and reminds me of Ray Rice with a little less speed and more attention in the weight room. He’s one of a new wave of NFL running back that can hide behind his linemen and still pack a punch. Fits very well in a ZBS scheme due to his vision, and if he can add some more strength to the lower body he could be a monster next to JC.
Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY
4) James-Michael Johnson ILB Nevada – Not the fastest guy on the field but he gets the job done. Displays good instincts and the ability to take and shed blockers as well as good ability in the pass game. May take a year to develop but should take over as a starter at some point, if not he’ll be good depth.
Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU
5) Neiko Thorpe FS/CB Auburn – Continue to add good depth, Neiko sorta reminds me of Lewis, may not have the greatest measurables but is a leader, with great instincts and plays smart. Can be used all over the 2ndary so you know Crennel will be happy to have another toy to fool around with.
6) Michael Williams TE Alabama – Like Pope, Williams is a massive Tight End but is a much better blocker and less penalty-prone. Should come in right away as our #2 with Moeaki.
7A) Kaniela Tuipulotu DE/DT Hawaii – Depth/Developmental project, he at the very least has an interesting name.
7B) Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech – Guy I think we should take a chance on, could be a reliable slot option down the road.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
I like the trade
But I would resign: Carr, Orton, Gordon, McClain, Franchise Bowe
Sign FA’s: LT Demetrius Bell (Buf), TE Jacob Tamme (Indy)
Your trade down with Bears to #19 and get those two 3rds. Drop again to #32 with NE and get their #48, they jump up to get CB Dennard.
Draft:
R1 #32 G Cordy Glenn-Georgia
R2 #43 LB Vontaze Burfict-Arizona St.
R2 #48 NT Josh Chapman-Alabama
R3 #73 RB Lamar Miller-Miami
R3 #76 C Ben Jones-Georgia
R3 #80 FS Aaron Henry-Wisconsin
R4 #106 SS Brandon Taylor-LSU
R5 #139 TE DeAngelo Peterson-LSU
R6 #170 WR Tommy Streeter-Miami
R7 #203 Ath Chris Rainey-Florida
Dont see why they would want to trade up, Dennard is likely there at 32
Their struggles havent really been at corner either its been at safety.
I dont like Bell hell be expensive plus hes injury-prone, Tamme is interesting though. I jus think after re-signing a bunch of our own guys we wont go really heavy in FA.
Besides that i personally think that mock is unrealistic as hell, seriously doubt most of those guys are around when we pick.
Just my personal opinions…
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Miller in the 3rd would be a very very interesting option
Would still rather have Hightower over Burfict however. Getting Glenn and Jones when we have Hudson?
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
Miller won't be there in the 3rd
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I know
But the combo of Miller and Charles would be great
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
Very good line with depth. Glenn can play either tackle spot if he had too. Makes our line very deep.
I like it.
I do think we need to add a dedicated tackle, though. I like Glenn’s versatility, but I think he’s asked to concentrate on one position his rookie year, and that position should probably be guard. Plus, I don’t think he’s ever going to be an NFL left tackle, and we’ve needed a viable backup for Albert for a long time.
I think Chapman and Miller could probably be switched, especially with news of Chapman’s injury. And I agree with BAMF about Hightower over Burfict. I’d be all for letting Jones compete with Harris for backup center.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Alright new mock offseason...
Re-sign: Bowe, Carr, Orton, McClain, etc
Free Agents: TE Jacob Tamme, RB Benjarvus Green-Ellis
Trade back in the 1st and pick up a 2nd, Trade Dorsey for a 3rd
1. NT Dontari Powe
2a. OT Zebrie Sanders or Mike Adams
2b. QB Nick Foles
3a. NT/DE Alameda Ta’amu
3b. OG Brandon Brooks
4. ILB Audie Cole
5. WR Joe Adams
7a. DE/OLB Donte Paige-Moss
7b. FS Damien Jackson
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 24, 2012 10:43 AM CST reply actions
I agree but
I’m think if we go decastro 1st we go poe or stills 2nd rd even tho I like OL Saunders alot but v.burfict would make our LB core elite maybe the best in the league one day take him with the 3rd and hope another good OL drops to the 4th and take OL or that 6’3" S for depth 5th best available RB/QB maybe kellen Moore or weeden or Wilson
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I just ran one and I got
1 – Riley Rieff – Iowa/OT
2 – Coby Fleener – Stanford/TE
3 – Audie Cole – North Carolina/ILB
4 – Doug Martin – Boise State/RB
5 – Jarius Wright – Arkansas/WR
6 – Ryan Lindley – San Diego State/QB
7 – Dajohn Harris – USC/DE
I dont agree with the 6 & 7 rds but I ran out of time on my lunch break lol
Young, dope & flashy.
also let me note
I’d franchise Carr, let Bowe go. If Cassel is QB we don’t need him staring down Bowe all season. Ive provide enough weapons and help to let him succeed. Id probably go for CB and Safety help in the late rounds.
Young, dope & flashy.
let Bowe go?
seems like a HUGE waste.
I could see a tag-and-trade scenario, but letting him walk would be a travesty.
that being said, i like Reiff, Fleener and Martin… not sure about the others
tag-and-trade Bowe?
so we let Carr go? i dont have faith in Pioli to keep both right now and I think it would be harder to replace Carr than Bowe.
Young, dope & flashy.
Ya know.. we can resign one or both of them to long term contracts
Doesn’t have to be one or the other with the tag
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
i know we CAN
but as I said i just dont have the faith in Pioli to do such right now. working on a worst-case scenario here.
Young, dope & flashy.
I have faith that at least one, if not both, get new deals
Pioli has done a good job locking up players to date… ask Charles, Hali, DJ
We have to spend the money these next few years as well
With RAC as coach I see Carr being locked up, Bowe tagged at the very least
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
yep
actually, seemed like they were already working on a deal for Bowe (in the rumor about his blow-up with Haley, said Pioli was upset because of contract negotiations)
That’s why I’m predicting a new deal for Bowe, and possibly a new deal, or Franchise tag for Carr
I love me some Zebrie Sanders
but I doubt he makes it out of round one unless he has a piss poor combine showing and bad pro day. And in my opinion, the reason Alameda Ta’amu goes in the middle rounds is because he wasn’t even first team all-conference. My mock draft is in my signature…
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
Hey guys.....help me out on this one, Kenny Tate, Terps TE neutralizer
I believe he might be going back on an injury exemption? I think I remember checking him out last year.
http://www.umterps.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tate_kenny00.html
/no skitzo
Edsall moved him to linebacker this past season
Didn’t work out this season. Will be interesting to see how it goes next year as Edsall is keeping him there.
seems he is getting moved around a lot
moved from wide receiver to defensive back as a freshman
.
/no skitzo
He looked like a big time prospect as a safety
Edsall, in all his wizardry, decided he’d try him at linebacker. Maybe it still works out, but it was a big fail last season. But just about everything at Maryland last year was a big fail, so another season will be nice for evaluation. The physical ability is there for the guy, but the instincts are still a work in progress.
are you saying you didn't like those new uniforms? ; )
But just about everything at Maryland last year was a big fail,
/no skitzo
another scenario
1) Martin, OT: I could see KC waiting on a Tackle, but I would be happy to see them lock down B Rich’s replacement early
2) Fleener, TE: I think getting another top TE should be a high priority this year
3) Pead, RB: the more I think about it, the more I like this pick, hopefully the Chiefs’ interest is real, he’d be a nice addition
4) Alameda Ta’amu, DE/NT: seriously, if he’s still available at this point, it’s a no-brainer. I personally don’t think the DLine is a big issue going into 2012, but this would be a nice value pick
5) Brandon Taylor, SS LSU: gotta go SEC, and get some secondary depth
6) Devon Wylie, WR: already getting the dreaded “welker” comparisons
7) William Vlachos, C: depth for the interior OL, good ZB prospect, his scouting report reads like Weigmann’s
7) Eddie Pleasant, S: doubling up for depth behind Berry/Lewis
I would be behind this draft if you exchange
3. Pead, RB change this to Zeitler, G
4. Ta’amu, DE/NT change this to Vick Ballard RB
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 24, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Id rather take Senio Kelemete
Much more athletic and a much better fit for our scheme(at least until we get a new OC), and I doubt Zeitler is there anyways i see him and Washington going in the 2nd.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
I like the
1st OG d.decastro
2nd NT d.poe
3rd TE c.fleener
4th OL zerby or LB burfict
5th S from boise can’t think of name
6th best available RB
7th kellen Moore or Russell Wilson
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 24, 2012 4:15 PM CST via Android app reply actions
true
but there’s a lot of players out there some will slip some will be picked that we have never even heard of are you telling me john Baldwin was a 1st rd prospect no and Justin Houston falling to the 3rd who was a possible 1st rd pick but drop cuz a little trees you know what I mean you never really know Haha
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 24, 2012 6:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Yes Baldwin was a 1st round prospect
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Mock Off Season
Re-sign Bowe, Carr, Gregg, Orton
Sign Benjarvus Green-Ellis, Ben Grubbs
Trade down to cincinnati spot 21 assuming that Trent Richadson is availaible for extra second, and fifth.
Trade from 21 to 27 to New England so they can pick up Whitney Mercilus for extra third.
1) Mike Adams OT Ohio State RT of the future
2) Dontari Poe NT Memphis
2) NIck Foles QB Arizona State
3) Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State
3) Coby Fleener TE Stanford
4) Audi Cole NC State
5) Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State
5) B.J Cunningham WR Michigan State
6) Adrien Cole ILB Louisiana Tech
7) T-Bob Hebert C LSU
7) Ethan Johnson DE Notre Dame
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
good input man thanks.....
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 24, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Id like to know how you would pick?
What would you do differently
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 24, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt make the trades and i wuold get more linman and saftys and corenerbacks
by letsgochiefs#jonmcgraw on Jan 24, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
getting Ben Grubbs to start at Left Guard
MIke Adams at RT plus HEbert to back up Hudson, how many lineman do you neeed?
Resigning Carr wouldn’t really make a need for CB, and Markelle MArtin is a great back up saftey. Pretty sure I addressed all those needs
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 24, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
lol yeah i think i might
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Nice picks Iam
I was hoping to trade back too
1 17 Kansas City David DeCastro OG Stanford P6Grab +3 Value
2 41 Kansas City Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State P3 -7 Reach
3 66 Kansas City Coby Fleener TE Stanford P4 +17 Value
4 102 Kansas City Trevor Guyton DE34 California P6Grab -3 Reach
4 116 Kansas City Robert Turbin RBF Utah State P4Grab +41 Value
5 133 Kansas City B.J. Coleman QB Chattanooga P3Grab -13 Reach
6 160 Kansas City Joe Adams WRS Arkansas P4 +17 Value
7 201 Kansas City Nathan Stupar ILB Penn State P3 -23 Reach
from www.drafttek.com
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
nice I like
the first 3 rds but we need a NT maybe in the 4th plus a QB some where thru the 5-7 rds
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 24, 2012 6:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
can
guyton play NT or you thinking put dorsey there? but idk who that QB is
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 24, 2012 6:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I would have a Powe/Gregg/that other dude NT
unless we sign a better option in FA
Guyton would be a two gap DE prospect to spell Jackson and Dorsey.
Coleman is a small college QB with size and upside
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
I want Mister Cobble
But he’s not coming out. If you’re going to have a NT you can’t go wrong with a guy named Mister.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
foles went to Arizona*
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by IamtheGreatest on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Assume that DeCastro is gone, which he could be by 11
Trade back to 21 then trade to 27 pick up extra second and third
1) Vontaez Burfict- ILB Arizona State- Brings passion andd fire and would make the linebacker corps sick and dangerous
2) Zebrie Sanders OT FLorida State- Would fill B-Rich’s spot and fits ZBS
2)Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin- very good guard who can fill the spot well
3)Josh Chapman NT Alabama- Good run stuffer, can plug in and play
3) Coby Fleener TE Stanford- Moeaki complement and insurance
4) Tavon Wilson SS Illinois
5) B.J Cunningham WR Michigan State
6) Adrien Cole ILB Louisiana Tech
7) T-Bob Hebert C LSU
7) Ethan Johnson DE Notre Dame
I kind of like this one better than my original post above
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My current favorite would be Upshaw as SILB
tight in the hips, but surely better in coverage than Siler/Belcher and a better rusher
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
Give me Ingram to play SILB then
And then 3-4 OLB if either guy goes down and oh ya DT pass rusher in passing sub packages, oh and RB in short yardage situations.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
He's as big as Upshaw
Better in coverage for sure, has better pass rushing moves and is way more versatile. If you’re going to pick up an explosive player and use them at SILB and other positions then Ingram > Upshaw.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
So you want three picks
to make up for one pick.
Hightower is slow and I see it from all fan bases, I don’t understand your point?
Upshaw is rated very highly and maybe not even available at 11
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
What do you mean three picks?
You’re saying you would like see Upshaw at 11 to fill a SILB role. I don’t mind the idea at all, although I think he would make a much better OLB/DE but while we’re thinking outside the box with versatile guys I would much rather have Ingram.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not big on highlight films but....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UuL8H2U-SA
There’s pass coverage, sacks, yes thats a 276lbs lineman outrunning Georgias entire special teams unit, yes that’s a defensive lineman on the hands team, yes the play by play guy said “Melvin in scores AGAIN” and at 0:39 that’s an interception 20 yards downfield against a WR.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Oh...
And yes that was Cordy Glenn whiffing on Clowney on that sack. I mean completely “Ole!” missing.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Dang GB
lets get Ingram, we can get a RT in the 2nd
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
I like
that idea no reason to be taking a OL in the 1st half of the 1st rd of the draft late 1st rd no complaints we need an all-star type potential player in the 11 spot
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 11:25 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Ingram isnt all that good
So id like to put my vote in the hell no column
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
You might just be crazier then Skitzo
Not that good? I don’t know anyone who’s seen him play any significant amount that’s said those words. Unless you’re just a bitter Georgia fan.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Im a (the real)USC/BAMA fan
Even s. carolina fans i talk to say hes a 3rd/4th round talent and putting him at ILB would be a waste of talent. He foesnt have the fluidity.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Then you're talking to other crazy people.
And doesn’t have the fluidity? The guy was a high school RB and does everything that requires any agility, effortlessly. You’re letting your Bama bias affect your judgement.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
Lol i could care less about the SEC outside of BAMA
Just basing it off what ive seen and other s. carolina fans have told me.
Id like Ingram in the 2nd- 3rd to fill that Wallace Gilberry role, i think he could excel there.
Also just because he was a former RB doesnt mean hes fluid, Bailey was an actual former LB and hes not fluid either.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I read up his scouting report and
he is not supposed to be fluid :)
But how can he be an 3-4 OLB if he is not?
Pure Rush Backer specialist?
Ingram is who I am blabbering about
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
Don't worry this is alllllll crazy talk....
2nd-4th round talent. Tebow H. Christ….
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
And why would it be a waste of talent if he's only a 3-4th round guy anyway?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldnt mind him at all I think adding a versatile linebacker is a must
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Last one- No trades
“Chiefs
Mock Draft”
Round One David DeCastro OG Stanford
Round Two Zebrie Sanders OT Florida State
Round ThreeJosh Chapman NT Alabama
Round Four Antonio Allen SS South Carolina
Round Five Tauren Poole RB Tennesee
Round Six Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
Round Seven Austin Davis QB Southern Miss
Round Seven Adrien Cole ILB Louisiana Tech
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I have to support any mock with Antonio Allen
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
Who today jammed Jeff Fuller(6'4, 220) off the line
And all Fuller could do was raise his arms and say “what am I supposed to do with that?”.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure what has happened to Fuller but damn has he looked bad
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 6:03 AM CST up reply actions
His fall from grace started last season
and he never really looked good at all this year.
In accordance with the prophecy
Looked good again Peterson
Didn’t pay attention to him this year after getting Breaston/Baldwin last year
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I think itnwas the small school guy Benton or something
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
It was Allen
But Benton looked really good too.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Zebrie Sanders
Looked really good today against Coples and then followed that up by getting completely schooled over and over by Ingram.
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Soooo....
He seems to be good against more physical pass rushers but struggles against anyone with a brain and a full array of pass rushing moves.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
ouch.....that is not good considering he is a pretty popular pick in the second around here.
/no skitzo
In fairness to him thats in one on one drills that's set up to benefit the defense.
If he’s a RT he’ll get help and he’s not going to see the other teams best pass rusher all that much especially if we’re a run heavy team again he’ll more likely see a more physical style DE/OLB on his side.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Nuuuu
I think as he stands now he’s probably already better then BRich and offers the same thing as he’s started at LT and RT. If BRich is a 5 out 10(lets be fair BRich had a few great games this year) then Sanders is probably a 6.5-7 in comparison? Alot of potential there.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I like the potential
He’s got good skills, is versatile, fits our blocking system(if that remains) and is higher rated then the guy he replaced due to injury. I’m not entirely sold on him and I’m a bigger fan of Zeilter in or around that pick for guard but I wouldn’t be disappointed with Sanders. Be happier about it if we traded back in round two and got an extra pick before taking Sanders.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
3rd round then :)
pressing on
Ingram
Sanders
3:
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
If TEs werent so damn popular now Fleener
But doubt he lasts that long. Trade up for Zeitler? Or take Allen if he moves up the board. I’m horrible biased to my Gamecocks.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
but you have not been :)
sorry to push for your arguements but you follow College much better than I, and I like College football.
3 solid picks seals the draft for the Chiefs future.
Finish the Defense while also helping the Offense
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
No worries.
You should see my ideal mock though if we don’t re-sign Carr. It could be gamecocks in round 1,2 and 3/4
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions
Ingram Round 1
Gilmore Late 2-Early 3
Allen Early 3-Late 3
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
sorry bro
I live in Charleston and respect your love for your boys, but you’re really reaching there. I’m a Bama guy and I think I could say that:
Kirkpatrick – round 1
Barron – round 2
would be better and meet the same intent
getusome sucka!
I like Kirkpatrick but not sold on Barron
Not that he isn’t good, but he’s just not what we need. Barron is an “in the box” safety with questionable coverage skills and slower feet. We need a third safety that can come in against big WRs and TEs and still not be a run liability. Maybe we can meet in the middle with Kirkpatrick+Allen. Ingram for me is just a BPA pick in the first round and an idea thats starting to grow on me.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
We've got solid starting pass rushers, and decent depth.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I'm thinking outside the box a bit with Ingram.
Start him SILB because of his explosiveness and athleticism and then also have him replace Gilberry as DT in our sub packages where we line up 2 dlineman.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Might work. He'd see a lot of snaps.
Who would take his LB spot in the nickel? Wait, lemme guess…. Gilmore?
:)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Belcher didn't see many snaps in Nickel this year
I love to hate on Gilmore but he’s good value where he;s going to be picked. I really just want Carr signed and the only “must have” gamecock on my list is actually Allen.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
NVM i see what you mean.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I was trying to help you, and look what I get. Browbeaten.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I was half asleep and missed it.
My fault.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Gotcha
If Ingram is the BPA, I’d be all for it. Hope for you that a Gamecock fits in the puzzle.
getusome sucka!
With Crennel now the HC Im ok really with any defensive player picked in the 1st thats BPA.
I’m not so biased on gamecocks that i MUST have one though. Allen is the one guy I really think fits what we need and is a good player.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Are TE's really that popular?
Only three drafted in the first round last year, none before pick #43. Are we just assuming since the NFL is usually a copycat league, that teams will reach higher for TE’s this year?
by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Typo
Three drafted in the first three rounds last year.
by BeauJackson on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
Last years tight end class wan't all that impressive
Last year was just a weak TE class. Only one real “elite” prospect in Rudolph and he was coming off an injury. This year you have 3 potentially “elite” TE in Allen, Fleener, and Charles.
Dont forget Ladarius Green
He probably has the most potential out of all the TEs in this draft.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Or the TE from the U
Can’t think of his name right now, but he showed nice catch radius and used his hands to catch the ball at the Shrine game, very raw as well
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 25, 2012 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
Well if they are potentially elite, I don't think they'll be reaches.
But I don’t think those guys are going to go that much higher than they would’ve five years ago just because Graham and Gronkowski are doing well.
Hes not higher rated then Datko
Talent-wise no way, hes just healthier.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
On every draft board I've seen he's ahead or right near Datko.
Zebrie isn’t great but he isn’t all that bad either. I don’t like him until late 2nd at the earliest so if we aren’t getting an extra pick to go backwards then no thanks.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Because hes healthier
Datko would be a first rounder if he stayed healthy this year.
Talent-wise Datko>>>Sanders
Health-wise Sanders>>>Datko
Thats the only readon why Sanders will get drafted earlier but Datko will have to wait a round or two
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
This is correct
I call Datko the Tony Moeaki of this year’s OT class.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Thus, worth a flyer in the 3rd
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
He's got a pretty Fd up shoulder
I would save that flyer for the 4th or later.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
And healthy is worth quite a bit
Especially when it comes to serious shoulder issues for a guy that plays OT.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
If you can get Datko a round later
And get another starter in the 2nd, you do it. Especially if you don’t like Sanders — which I don’t.
I think some people just see:
-Good size
-Position of need
-ZBS experience
-Versatility
And then forget to watch the player. I don’t see Sanders with a much higher ceiling then what we already have at OT.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Let's see what happens in the actual game.
Some of those drills are tilted to make d-line look better. But I’m behind in my watching, so maybe I’m wrong on Sanders. Don’t know for sure why I fixed on him, based on a few blurbs, anyway.
would of ≠ would've
I'm not that big on Sanders but he's not a horrible option.
I definitely dont like him earlier then late/late 2nd where we trade back and get an extra pick. To me he looks like a more talented Brich and honestly Schwartz from Cal, who’s slated for about the 5th round, is probably the same type of player.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Zebrie isnt all that great
Dont really understand the hard on he gives people in here.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
All the more reason not to draft decastro in the first
tackle is pretty obviously the biggest need on this team(short of QB) so if Jonathan martin or reiff we have to take him. Plus i think lilja will be alot better healthy and with hudson beside him instead of the old man. Id much rather go with a project guard in the middle rounds and let him sit for a year
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Degree of need rarely relates to draft position.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I dont like Martin
would rather take Adams.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
Like Adams better at RT than Martin. Martin gets dominated by bull rushers.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I don't understand it either
I don’t see his ceiling much higher than B-Rich to be honest.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
agree
how about double R from Iowa but Adams is also great huge 6’8" and I believe I saw he has the biggest hands in the draft or something 11"
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 11:32 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Gil Brandt on Peter King podcast
Ryan Tannehill is in his Top 10 picks for 2012 draft.
Weeden is the next best.
Under the radar guys:
Riley Reitz
Good depth to the 2012 draft in rounds 2-4, not as talented at the top as 2011 was.
Uhhh....Is he only looking at senior QBs?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
draft talk is always about QB's
Peter King kind of steered the convo that way.
Very little said about other positions and it is hard to believe that Reiff is under the radar type guy :)
Unless there is another Iowa tackle in the 2012 draft.
Oh there is
Marcus Zusevics
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I think Gil Brandt has lost a step.
Tannehill and Weeden might find their way into the first round but it won’t be on talent, more on desperation like what we saw last year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
correct
that’s not likely to be a good strategy
I’ll be VERY upset if KC pulls the trigger on either guy, in any round before the 6th
Most scouts are impressed with Tannehill
Cobsensus seems to be no later then the early 2nd
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'm assuming Miami and Washington are the targets
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Cleveland too
They got a late first.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
might be Weeden there
no one is sure what Cleveland wants
WR, RB, QB, Defense
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Weeden?
Yeah maybe in the 3rd round
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Iloka didnt look all that great covering TEs/RBs
Martin looked impressive and athletic per usual, announcers said hes the most impressive fball player out there for his special team/team mentality.
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Iloka is thought to be by Wes Bunting
quite a bit better than Antonio Allen
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Competition is a concern
Their will be a learning curve for Iloka coming from the MWC but hes got potential if he continues to work on his technique, right now id rather have Allen
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a matter of overall "better"
Its better for what we need and we don’t need a guy to come in and be a starting FS or SS right away. We need a guy that can defend against TEs and big WRs, whos still good against the run and can play STs and get McGraw off the field.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
A Specialist
not trying to be arguementative
But we got too many specialist and not enough all around players
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's the thing though
He’s a guy that can be groomed into a starter but will benefit greatly from not having to be the man right out of the gate. For what we do, Allen, with some time and grooming would take Lewis’ job and in the meantime he might be the first safety to come out of college with the tools to deal with the fad of joker TEs.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Adams is impressing
Browns are high on him supposedly and Mayock compares him to Jason Peters.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Was that before or after Mayock said Jason Peters was the best LT in the NFL?
I like Mayocks analysis but sometimes he’s so far out in left field that it’s bordering on ridiculous.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Peters actually was one of the top tackles in the league last year
Maybe even the best so i dont see whats sO left field about it
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
He graded out no better then Brandon Albert this year and hasn't had an outstanding season since he was a Bill.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
What are you basing these grades off of?
Albert was one of the best tackles too.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
Top 10? yes
Best in the league? Hell no.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 26, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
Top 10 equates to the best in the league
There are 64 starting tackles in the league y’know
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Really? That's what you're going with?
“the best LT in the league” is the best LT in the game. Not the top 10, not one of the best not at the top of the league.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 26, 2012 9:27 PM CST up reply actions
Its all opinion bro
Im guessing Mayock has watched a bit more NFL film this season in comparison to you as well.
The best, one of the best its all semantics. I really dont care either way, its still some high praise for Adams either way you look at it.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
BPAs that fit a need
My mock drafts are based on availability in walterfootball.com’s mock drafts. Here goes…
1. RB Trent Richardson (Alabama) – BPA. If he’s available I just can’t pass on him. I know JC is a star, but health is a concern. With JC and TR in the backfield we would have the best 1-2 punch in the league. (Other options: DT Devon Still)
2. DT Jerel Worthy (Mich St) – BPA. At 310 lbs, I’d be concerned about him fitting at NT, but he’s a talent that could be used. (Other options: CB Janoris Jenkins)
3. DE Billy Winn (Boise St) – 2nd BPA. A big boy that would be a force as a 3-4 DE. (Other options: RB Chris Polk)
4. OG Amini Silatolu (Midwestern St) – BPA by a long shot. Taking a chance on a small school guy with good talent filling a need in the 4th round.
Throw your spears.
getusome sucka!
It's not all that bad really.
And actually something that I could see Pioli actually doing(especially if you throw in a TE in the 5th). I like Worthy but I would like him more in the 3rd but I prefer Winn and they are probably playing the same position. I don’t know enough of Silatolu but guard depty(or starter depending how you see it) is a need and there are good interior lineman available in those rounds this year. I agree on Richardson being the BPA if he’s there but I just don’t like the idea of drafting a position that has a 5-6 year shelflife at best.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
drafttek currently have us taking Kuchley at SILB
I would rather have Richardson, yet again the Chiefs are sitting ahead of Martin, Adams, and DeCastro so a trade down is possible
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Kuechly is a man without a position because there’s no way he’s a SILB. I would take any of those guys you listed and Still and Reiff and Ingram and Upshaw and Alsjon before I’d waste a pick on Kuechly.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Man, running backs and DEs....that would be putting superb top to bottom talent at some positions but completely ignoring others.
Don’t particularly like the big guys from little schools, lots of learning curve and very little good tape with those.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Another Possibility
Trade Back in the 1st probably with the Bengals for an extra 2nd and 4th.
1: Peter Konz G/C Wisc- Konz is the top center in the draft, but also the 2nd guard. I think his versatility appeals to the Chiefs. I’d see a lineup up with Hudson at Center and Konz at LG with the ability to slide over to center in the event of an injury.
2A: Donta Hightower SILB Bama: Being a 3-4 only player, a slow forty, and the fact that every year ILB drop on draft day gives the Chiefs a shot at Hightower.
2B: Zebrie Sanders RT FSU: You can bet Pioli is drilling Hudson right now on his former teammate at FSU. Solid right tackle with the ability to slide to the left side in a pinch. Falls a bit in the second due to a poor showing at the senior bowl. Experience with the ZBS.
3: Orson Charles TE Georgia: I feel like Charles gets overlooked a bit in the shadow of Allen and Fleener and drops to the third. Still a very talented tight end with very high potential. Better blocker than Fleener but agile for his size.
4A: Antonio Allen SS/LB: Chiefs get some solid saftey depth and an answer to the tight ends that have killed them the last few years. Takes over McGraws role in sub packages.
4B: Andrew Datko T FSU: 1st round talent but with injury concerns. High risk high reward type pick but for a 4th rounder it’s worth the chance.
5: Vick Ballard RB Miss St.: This guy still put up good numbers in the SEC even though everyone stacked the box against him. Other options would be Brandon Bolden and Terrance Gannaway
6: BJ Coleman QB Tennessee-Chattanooga: Another late round developmental prospect. Has the tools just needs time to develop. Looked good in Shrine game practices, originally a Tennesse recruit, has the physical attributes Pioli likes.
7: Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina: Small school guy with good size (6-feet-2-inches tall and 190 pounds) and good ball skills. Looked impressive at the East-West shrine game practices with multiple picks. Good late round flyer.
7B: Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech: Wide out with great size (6-5 206) and leaping ability. Also a great blocker, something the Chiefs put a real emphasis on. Has all the tools but has had real issues with concentration and dropped passes, some of which may come from playing in an offense where passing is an after thought and a general lack of targets.
I like it.
Drafting both FSU tackles would make for an interesting training camp.
I’m kinda coming off Sanders and Charles, leaning more toward Massie, Mosley and Ladarius Green.
Personally, I like the trade down, but I would save those extra picks for next year.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
yeah agree
I like that too maybe a different QB but other then that good mock
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I can endorse this
Im not big on Hightower or Sanders but as a whole this is a nice looking draft. I like the Datko pick as well as insurance with another tackle taken and I love the Ballard pick.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Mitchell Schwartz starting to turn some heads at Senior Bowl.
I know alot of people like Sanders but I prefer Schwartz and unless he really has an outstanding week and pro day he’s likely going to stay a 3rd day pick. Started every game in his college career, both left and right side and was 2nd team all Pac10.
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Is Sanders playing Left or Right tackle in the Senior Bowl?
same for Schwartz
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Schwartz I would guess RT
Sanders I’m not sure really. He’s been lining up in one on ones on the right side though.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm....hometown Pacific Palisades....has a last name for his first name......
He’s a silver spooner, isn’t he?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Ha probably!
But he’s pretty blue-collar on the field.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
My grandma used to say "never trust a man with two last names."
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What about men with two first names?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Brandon Albert?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Utterly trustworthy.
Marry your daughter to him.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Ugh I just realized I have two last names too....
This is trouble.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs talking ot Cam Johnson, OLB Virginia
He’s got nice measurables and put up great production when Virginia was playing in a 3-4 in 2010. Numbers went down this year and so did his draft stock.
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any thought on they might be asking about Minnefield
I think he is Virginia
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
No, I think they're both UVA.
Funny how a Virginian is on the north roster.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
How many OLB's do we need?
Hali
Houston
Sheffield
Studebaker
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe other plans for Sheffield or giving up on him?
And I think the leash on Stude is getting short.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Interesting. Lets hope he’s a big Baylor fan. Make this offseason even more interesting.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
maybe he will draft
Jean Baptiste overall #1
gotta start the monster Defensive line build somewhere
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Odd how this is the first draft in a long time with no stud dlineman sitting there prone to go in the top 5.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
only 3 maybe in the 1st round
excluding 4-3 DE’s and OLB
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
The very year we don't really need one.
Almost like it was planned.
But I think people with reach for Still and Coples.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Pioli's spreadsheet
We also need a QB and have one more cheap year of Cassel
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
how about that 6'6" UNC DE
coples I believe heard he is nasty
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's probably top 10
He’s got all the mesurables but lacks explosion.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a 3-4 RDE.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I was thinking the same yesterday when they were talking to Butch Davis
Davis talking about how he’s up in weight close to 290 and how he can hold an edge or rush the passer.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Cmon Man
We don’t need him that bad
more of a DT type is needed :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
This year's Aldon Smith.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or Allen Bailey.
I forgot how light Aldon Smith was. Dude straight trucks over O linemen.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I thought Justin Houston did fine for his 1st year
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, Coples would play RDE and/or nickel.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Nah thats Michael Brockers
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
If we're going to be stuck getting DE every year it might as well be a good one?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I can see Dorsey playing for another team sooner rather than later.
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I'm hoping so
And when it happens I hope its on draft day and we’re netting something for him. Especially this year when there’s so many nice players in that 2-4 round range.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I'm really curious to see how he'd do in a different system
now that he’s got some NFL experience.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
ya
I heard he needs to be motivated and I think the nfl will drive him to be motivated and maybe super nasty like Jason Pierre-Paul
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 3:45 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't remember JPP's scouting reports,
but I definitely remember thinking that he looked winded and slow a LOT. Kicking ass in a rotation, though.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
JPP was just raw athletic potential
I think he did like 20 backflips in a row at the combine or something
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Which is the best way to evaluate talent
How many backflips can DeCastro do?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 5:48 AM CST up reply actions
Worked for the Giants apparently
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
They always find good Dlinemen
Or coach them up I suppose
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
It takes both
Always been my philosophy, most of those Packers guys wouldn be in the hall if Lombardi hadnt come to town and coached them up.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta have the talent to be coached up
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 26, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
inconsistent motor
I hate that in a scouting report
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
true
never like to hear that you need to have a high motor in this game
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 3:46 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Why would they? Pagano ran both schemes
In fact the Ravens are pretty much a 4-3 team at this point.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
If they need to overhaul their defense then maybe.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
This has to be good news for the Chiefs
Ravens have to get their 3rd DC in 3 years now, and the Colts are re-arranging their identity.
and we play both next year
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
RayRay is the Raven's DC.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
How about this
Switch to the 3-4D. Trade the #1 to the highest bidder(which should be a huge package of picks or maybe one 3-4 starter), then trade back up to #2 using a couple of the picks you just got and Freeney to St. Louis to get RGIII.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Tannehill or Weeden is just fine as a rebuilding QB
ESPN was saying that 28 million due Peyton would help rebuild the defense quicker
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yea but RGIII will put asses in those seats, that Manning paid to have put in that shiny new building,
to give the fans something to chew on during the rebuilding.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Asses in the seats for the first year or two
Then when they can’t win, out come the paper bags.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Gives them a couple of years to get a defense together out there.
It’s an interesting question though. If they have to overhaul their defense and will go to a defensive identity team, is Luck still the pick?
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
RG3 on turf would look like something outta Tron.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Can't Kuechly stop him?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Ballard was a stud in blitz pickup
And blew through the defense in 7 on 7.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Kuechly was too busy getting eaten alive by offensive linemen.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Here's my first 2012 NFL Mock Draft.
Still a little new to posting around here. Let me know if I should be doing anything different. Thanks.
Round 1: David DeCastro, G, Stanford
He’s one of the best interior lineman prospects in the past decade. He’s going to be a Day 1 starter, most likely replacing Lilja at the LG position. The combination of Asamoah/Hudson/DeCastro gives the Chiefs a stout interior line for the next 10 years.
Alternate Pick(s): Reily Reiff, T, Iowa. Jonathan Martin, T, Stanford
Round 2: Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
Barry Richardson was the next-to-worst RT in the entire NFL last year. If that’s not a sign of someone who needs to be replaced, I don’t know that is. Sanders replaces Barry Richardson at the RT spot, and the offensive line is now set. Even with starting two rookies, the Chiefs will have one of the most dominant lines in the NFL, and that will be needed if Matt Cassel returns as the starting QB.
Alternate Pick(s): Kelechi Osemel, G, Iowa State. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin.
Round 3: Antonio Allen, SS, South Carolina
Safety is one of the weakest positions on the team as far as depth goes. After Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis, the only serviceable player on the team in Jon McGraw, and he is close to the end of his career. Antonio Allen solidifies depth at this position and provides one other major benefit. The NFL is seeming a huge immergence in TE’s (Gronkowski, Hernandez, Graham, Davis, Moeaki, etc…). The Chiefs especially have been destroyed by the TE position for the last few years. They need a player who is big and physical enough to jam these TE’s at the line of scrimmage but still maintains the speed to cover them. That description fits Antonio Allen to a tee.
Alternate Pick(s): Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati.
Round 4: Vick Ballard, RB, Mississippi State
After the loss of Jamaal Charles this season, it was easy to see how deplete the Chiefs RB position has become. Thomas Jones is way past his prime, and he offers very little on the football field. Jackie Battle proved to be serviceable (and his contributions on special teams can not be discounted), but he is not the answer behind JC. Dexter McCluster showed flashes of brilliance when he was used properly in the last few games of the season. Still, because of his size, he’s not going to get 15-20 touches per game. Enter Vick Ballard from Mississippi State. At 5’11, 200lbs, he has the body to be an excellent running back. Despite being the only offensive weapon on a school playing in the SEC, Ballard rushed for 1189 yards on 193 carres, a 6.2 YPC. He coulde prove to be an excellent #2 to Jamaal Charles and help improve what will already be an impressive Kansas City running game.
Alternate Pick(s): Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina. Ladarius Green, TE, Louisiana-Lafayette.
Round 5: Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, DT, Baylor
He is definitely a project, but Kelly Gregg isn’t the answer for the future, and I’m not sure if the Chiefs know what they have in Jerrell Powe. If Powe doesn’t prove to be THE guy, then Jean-Baptiste can be brought in for competition. With competition, one guy will emerge as the superior player.
Alternate Pick(s): George Iloka, FS, Boise State.
Round 6: Joe Adams, WR, Arkansas
The Chiefs have a nice young WR core with Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin. But they don’t offer too much of a threat as far as speed goes. Adams’ most recent 40-time is a 4.38, and he would provide much needed speed and a true downfield threat to the Kansas City offense.
Alternate Pick(s): Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina. Chris Galippo, ILB, USC.
Round 7A: Asa Jackson, CB, Cal Poly
I’m hoping that Brandon Carr is brought back, so I don’t see CB as much of a need. I believe that Arenas is an excellent CB to cover the slot receivers. Travis Daniels and Jalil Brown have both shown promise, but if you’re trying to upgrade your 4th and 5th slots on the depth chart with 7th round picks, you’re in a pretty good place.
Alternate Pick(s): Devin Wylie, WR, Fresno State. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State.
Round 7B: Beau Reliford, TE, Florida State
Scott Pioli likes TE’s, and he takes one almost every year.
Alternate Pick(s): Foswhitt Whitaker, RB, Texas
Still a little new to posting around here.
Welcome to the chaos
Let me know if I should be doing anything different.
This is well thought out and organized and just perfect. No complaints.
I’m a big fan of this mock. Every pick and position is fine with me especially that guy in the third round. The oline debate I have is which is better? Decastro/Sanders or Martin(Reiff)/Zeitler(Osemel)? Its a tough call. I’m not sold on Sanders as a second or Martin as a first and I really like Decastro and Zeitler. Decisions, decisions.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 25, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
What about
1. David DeCastro
2. Mike Adams
I know Adams has been shooting up draft boards, and there were rumors he may be a Top 15 pick, but I think he and Reiff are both pure RTs and that will hurt their stock.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I doubt Adams lasts till the 2nd
Hes impressing folks at the senior bowl.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 25, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
Draftniks are starting to notice him. He was undervalued on most draft sites so that is why he is making headlines. I think most scouts already valued him pretty high.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Trade down.
Zeitler/Konz and Massie/Mosley/Datko. Conflict resolved.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Fanpost
Needs pictures :)
Nice job Pickle
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 25, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I like what he has on there
maybe the 5th pick we take the boise FS and with the 6th or 7th take a QB
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 25, 2012 10:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Chiefs Rumors
Sources have said the Kansas City Chiefs have emphasized studying the offensive linemen this week. The Chiefs had a big hole at right tackle this season. If they draft a natural left tackle, they could move Brandon Albert to the right side. If the value isn’t there for the Chiefs to land a good left tackle in the first round, they could look to get a right tackle on the second day of the 2012 NFL Draft.
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012rumors3.php
Walter still convinced that Albert must be moved, but this is good news i think.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Walter
has been convinced that Albert is going to be the Chiefs RT for the last 3 years.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
Walter
uses the word “natural” way too much. And it’s apparently a contagious affliction.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Just did a sim on drafttek with trade back in first...
1. Dontari Poe NT
2a. Zebrie Sanders OT
2b. Kevin Zeitler OG
3. Nick Foles QB
4. Trevor Guyton DE
5. Jordan White WR
6. Chris Gallipo ILB
7. Greg Childs WR
Hmm seems kinda similar….
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 25, 2012 11:04 PM CST reply actions
Just want to say
Thanks for introducing me to drafttek. I love it. I will post my drafttek draft at the bottom.
getusome sucka!
my ideal draft, if KC gets really lucky
1 Decastro, OG
2 Adams, OT
3 Pead, RB
4 Ta’amu, NT/DE
5 Green, TE
6 Taylor, SS
7 Ryan Miller, OL
I am with you
DeCastro and Adams 1-2 would make me ecstatic. Adams is my favorite RT prospect. and DeCastro is my favorite Chiefs target in the entire Draft. All the FSU fans I have talked to/read really don’t buy the hype of Zebrie Sanders and feel like he is overvalued by most draft sites and is more like a 3rd-4th round talent. These are the same fans that raved about Rodney Hudson. They see Sanders as more of a natural LT, who has benefited from his success at LT after replacing Datko, which has made some people forget how bad he was at RT. That fact that he wasn’t that great even in a ZBS lowers his ceiling. My personal opinion: I don’t see his ceiling any higher than what we already have now at T. In the 2nd, I want someone that come in right away and help our team win. Don’t see that happening with Sanders.
I like Pead in the 3rd round, but I think we need to bring in a FA RB that can step in right away. This year’s RB class in FA is as good as it has been in awhile. Still wish we would have been more aggressive with Darren Sproles and/or Tim Hightower last offseason. That being said, I could still live with the pick and think he has the talent to be an NFL running back. I just think we need to bring in someone who is able to carry the load from Day One, because I think we need to ease Jamaal back into the lineup. If this picks knocks Battle off the team though, I am all for it.
I still don’t like Ta’amu, even in the 4th. I would look to upgrade our secondary here or in the 3rd. We have a need at S, and I think you need to draft a CB each year. My beef here is Ta’amu won’t see the field. I just don’t see this guy beating out anybody on our current team and I don’t see him as an NFL-level talent. I want us to make a heavy push at Paul Soliai in FA this year if Miami lets him walk.
Love the Green pick in the 5th, but don’t think he lasts that long. We definitely need to add some depth at TE and Green would be a perfect red zone threat. He needs to bulk up about 20 lbs though, but I am confident he will continue adding weight this offseason and benefit from a weight training program above that of La-Lafayette. He has the frame to add bulk. I think Coby Fleener will be a stud TE in the NFL, but I don’t see him lasting to our pick in the 2nd. Out of the rest of the TEs available, I think Green has the most “bang for the buck” in that we can probably grab him in the late 3rd or early 4th.
Overall, great work as always!
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I agree
with you both but I do like fleener at TE he could be a big pick up if we can snag him but I love the Adams decastro combo oh man dream line
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 26, 2012 11:19 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'm a Fleener fan too
I don’t see Adams lasting until our 2nd pick, but if he did, TE can wait…
there’s a good crop of FA TEs also, Carlson, Shiancoe et al
I would LOVE to get Soliai, but I do think Ta’amu can be a solid rotational guy at least… which is all KC really NEEDS… Soliai is more of a nice-to-have
I still like Powe as at least a rotational guy
I think Soliai would fill a big hole. I don’t see Kelly Gregg coming back.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
ya
I would like that too good thinking and I also would like to see more powe see what we have in him
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 26, 2012 12:36 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
absolutely
I really liked what I saw from Powe in limited action.
and, again, I think odds are Romeo brings in another journeyman like Shaun Rogers/ Franklin to help fill out the rotation when Gregg retires
I was one of the few that didn't want Aubrayo Franklin last offseason
Look at how Sopoaga has done for the 49ers defense. Dude is a beast and the defense improved without Franklin.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
yeah I hear ya
but, I think Romeo can get more out of a guy like Franklin than most coaches… and he’d be better back in a 3-4 instead of the 4-3 in New Orleans
Didn't Pioli come right out and say last year that Franklin does not fit our defense
Like several of us were saying?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Well, this IS the guy that thinks #7 "fits" our offense/plans to WIN
so…grain of salt, I guess.
by SCKSChief on Jan 27, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless that grain of salt about #7 came from Haley/Muir
And the grain of salt about Franklin came from RAC
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yes but the coaches could have influenced what Pioli thinks/says
Haley/Muir/Weis/etc could have said we CAN win with Cassel, which Pioli believed
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I don't recall Pioli saying that directly
others said that AFTER he signed with New Orleans
to me, it sounded more like rationalization
“I didn’t like that girl anyway, she’s ugly” (after she rejects you)
If we pick up soliai
I expect Powe to ride the inactive pine all season.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 26, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
yep
but, that’s not the end of the world.
It’s pretty clear that Romeo will only carry 1 “pure NT” on game day, the others have to be able to play inside or out.
Powe will either be that “pure NT”, or he’ll sit for another year or so and be good “depth”
He might actually be available now if they move to a 4-3 which is expected.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 26, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
See: Cleveland
Hey use two Nose Tackles in their 4-3
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know that
Are we really expecting to move to a 4-3? That’s a huge change and has major draft implications.
getusome sucka!
I think he was talking about Miami.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I agree with a lot of what you said about Ta'amu
If he was only 2nd team All Pac-Ten(Twelve), there’s no reason to believe he’ll magically jump to NFL star. He did have an excellent game in the Holiday Bowl a year ago vs. Nebraska, but that was also going against a 285 lbs center. I really like guys like Wolfe (DE) from Cincinnati and Hebron Fangupo (NT) from BYU in the middle rounds. They’ve been the leaders along d-lines of teams who have had some badass rush defenses.
1. David DeCastro (Stanford- guard) 2. Nick Foles (Arizona- quarterback) 3. Hebron Fangupo (BYU- nose tackle) 4. Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati- defensive end) 5. Brandon Taylor (LSU- safety) 6. Tom Compton (South Dakota- offensive tackle) 7. Tyler Urban (West Virginia- tight end)
ya powe
smushed jj the bucs back up QB in preseason I remember
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 26, 2012 1:53 PM CST via Android app reply actions
tyson_jackson who?
I think I just made a mess in my drawers. There is no way it could happen. I mean when is the last time KC drafted a d-lineman that made sense? But Poe AND Ta’amua. Thats enough to make me never want to wake up. Like being visited by an Alyssa Milano look alike succubus. I am gonna go back to the year that B.J. Raji came out of Boston College. There he was sitting there when we picked and we passed on him. A year or two later a huge NT from Oregon was still on the board when we picked and this time we passed on Haloti Ngata. Then last year when it was our turn I started celebrating, just going nuts cuz there is no way we are going to pass on another stud interior d-lineman, right? Then, next thing I know, Cleveland has Phil Brown. That was painful. We have needed a space eater for so long. I think our last real quality DT was Dan Saleamua. That was what, 15 years ago? Then, right now I am fittin to turn out the light and I see your mock. Not 1, but 2 potential, legitimate 2 gap NT’s. I wanna thank you for even suggesting it. Just 1 of them could turn us into a top 10 defense. both of them, though, rotating, staying fresh, competing with each other, could turn us into a top 5 defense. maybe even the top overall defense in the league. It’ll never happen in KC. Maybe someplace like Baltimore or Pittsburgh, where they value D above all else. I can dream though
So let me get this strait
We pass on Raji.. then a few years later we pass on Ngata.. Phil Brown?
Raji had/has big question marks about 2 gapping, which ya know.. is quite important in our position, and had to deal with the pot as well
Ngata was out a long time before Raji, and his knees got bad playing NT, now he plays DE for the Ravens
Who is Phil Brown? You mean Taylor? The guy who didn’t ever really 2 gap either?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 5:46 AM CST up reply actions
Raji had a bad year too
I remember Lilja manhandling him
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Sleeper pick i just found out about: Delano Jonhnson
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/HBCU-AllStar-Bowl-weighin-results.html
Delano Johnson, an OLB from Bowie State, was the one prospect who I did absolutely no research on coming into the game, but boy will I be watching him this week. He was nealy 6-4 with a rocked up 267-pound frame and really "wowed" during the weigh-in. He looks capable of playing either with his hand on the ground or standing up based off his physical make-up
.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/HBCU-Bowl-Practice-Report-Day-1.html
Delano Johnson from Bowie State was one of the real winners at the weigh-in Monday night displaying his impressive 6-4, 267-pound frame. However, he followed it up with a strong performance Tuesday displaying impressive change of directions skills for a big guy when rushing from two-point stance. He worked a sudden counter off his outside rush and cleanly sidestepped the blocker inside. On his next pass-rushing attempt he displayed a strong jolt on contact, extended his arms well and simply overpowered the tackle before using his length to violently shed.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Doesn't have a lot of good stats to back that up
Little thread on FF about him as well
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
He was used mainly in pass coverage last year
If you look at his career his stats are pretty good, if Gabe Miller can get drafted in the 5th round so can Delano.
I wouldnt mind putting him next to DJ.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 27, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Are you on FF?
Pretty much same thing said on there haha
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 27, 2012 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Burfict will be there in the third, like Houston was, after all.
Two sources tell SI.com draft analyst Tony Pauline that Arizona State MLB Vontaze Burfict’s decision to forego his senior season was “likely centered around” eligibility issues for 2012.
Burfict was no stranger to eligibility issues in college. While this isn’t something that would hurt draft stock, it can explain why Burfict turned pro after a junior season considered poor by most observers. Sources told Pauline that Burfict’s 2011 performance was also affected by WLB Brandon Magee’s season-ending injury. Magee was reportedly “the one who made sure Burfict was properly positioned on the field and made him aware of assignments.”
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
He's one player I hope the Chiefs are watching
sure would be nice to have an additional 2nd rounder this year…I want to know what happens if we are unable to retain Carr. Is Janoris Jenkins an option if he falls into the 3rd (or even if Carr is retained)? First round talent, lots of issues, somewhat of a Justin Houston 2.0 only in DB form.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
We don't need a middle linebacker who struggles in the brain department.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
SILB and NT are probably the two spots that can get away with half a brain
Just have DJ tell him where to run and who to blow up.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 27, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure the guy right in the middle has to do quite a bit of play recognition.
If DJ went out, we’d lose Burfict, too. Just like AZ State did.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Our SILB does the "playcalling" too
Don’ta Hightower would be perfect. Not Burfict.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Yah, I like Hightower.
A bigger, less penalized Spikes, maybe.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Drafttek=my new obsession
I changed the priorities to fit more of a BPA that fits a need set-up, and this is what I got…love it.
1. RB Trent Richardson (Alabama)
2. OT Zebrie Sanders (FSU)
3. TE Orson Charles (UGA)
4. ILB James-Michael Johnson (Nevada)
5. QB B.J. Coleman (UT-Chattanooga)
6. CB Ryan Steed (Furman)
7. FB Ryan Houston (UNC)
getusome sucka!
I changed their priority a bit
I changed it to make it where we would reach up to about 5 spots for a feature back. I know JC is an awesome player, but concerns with his health matched with the ability of Richardson won’t allow me to pass him up, if available. If we can get him, it’s a steal.
getusome sucka!
RBs from top college teams scare me away.
I get this Ron Dayne feeling. You think the guy’s a difference-maker, and you see ’Bama hardly even use him in the BCSC.
would of ≠ would've
Why use Richardson when they were getting such wide open looks downfield because they were stacking the box to stop Richardson?
Saban is trying to win the game not Pad one of his players stats. I dont really think its Richardsons fault that LSU couldnt adjust properly to the passing game.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 28, 2012 5:09 AM CST up reply actions
In other words, you'd spend a 1st on a RB that you're going to replace with another RB, when you want to pass.
Apparently, Richardson wasn’t that great of a threat in the passing game, either in pass pro’ or as a receiver, or both. It does say something to me that’s not particularly flattering about Richardson.
would of ≠ would've
Hahaha wow
Richardson is the most complete RB since Adrian Peterson, fantastic in pass protection and at catching the football so i dont really know what youre talking about. In fact he might be deadlier catching the football because he gets to work in space, use his athletic ability and asking DBs to tackle him is futile.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 28, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
So in other words, starting Richardson wasn't what Saban thought gave him his best chance of winning?
Saban is trying to win the game not Pad one of his players stats
Doesn’t that say something about Richardson that’s not all that positive? Putting Richardson on the field in that game was more about padding Richardson’s stats, than winning? Sorry, CWP. Usually your uncomfortable disagreements with my exalted wisdom cut me down to size, but this one, I dunno.
would of ≠ would've
What?
Richardson being in the game is what won them the game. My padding stat argument just alludes to the fact that throwing him against a brick wall just because hes a great player wasnt going to win them a championship. Winning the championship requires more strategy then that, LSU was so afraid of T-Rich that they were doing everything to stop him, thats what won them the NC game.
You take Richardson out and LSU wins.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 28, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
It was a very nice splash play he made, all right.
Again, though, your rationale for not starting him in that game isn’t cogent.
would of ≠ would've
He did start the game though
Im confused
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Bama used that other kid early, IIRC.
Your confusion could be my mistake. I just remember being puzzled that T-Rich wasn’t on the field.
would of ≠ would've
He still got 20 rushes in for nearly 100 yards and a TD.
pretty good day overall
/shrug
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a Bama fan...
and a Chiefs fan. I’m more diehard with the Tide, though, and I can tell you from my obsession with Bama that Richardson is the best back I’ve seen in a long time. I’m not sure why we took him out of the game at times, but he’s a beast in all facets of the game.
getusome sucka!
Not big on RB in the first round
I dont agree with Drafteks value on a RB either. Its too easy to find and effective and elite RB later on in the draft. Also the shelf life of a RB is just not long enough to get the value of the pick. Whereas a dominant oline can make almost any RB a stud.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 28, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
yes. I still think Marshall Faulk was worth a 1st-rounder, but i still wouldn't pick a RB that high, until I was more flush up front.
And by the time I had my OL plush, chances are very good that later pick or UDFA magically emerges from the RB ranks. Also, being flush puts you in position to spend on that special RB, with $$$ and/or high pick. So, to me, it’s not purely value, but also a matter of sequencing.
You get the trenches right, and then you’re more likely to succeed when you go and try to get other positions right, because things just break the way they’re supposed to, more often. Gives the skill players a lot more confidence and aligns their instincts with what’s actually going on, rather than every snap requiring a lot of thinking/damage control.
Pioli was all about team speed in 2010, for instance. To me, the shortest path to making my team speed improve is to finish up in the trenches. We all hated on LJ 2.7, but I bet he could’ve had a couple more good years (and a better attitude) in KC, if they went more for OL beef in 2009, and again in 2010, on your “dominant oline” theory, alone. I think they could’ve done as well or better than Cassel through FA, and be much closer to getting me to buy trade-up for RGIII or burning a 1st on the likes of a Trent Richardson (although I bet I’d still argue against it).
I DO like the players they landed, like McCluster, Berry and Arenas. They can all be championship contributors, but it really looks to me like they put the cart before the horse, treating the symptoms, instead of killing the virus.
would of ≠ would've
As much as I want to fill the RT spot, I am not discounting us makin a play for RG3.
Still not sold on him all the way, but what a palymaker! Big plays = wins and we need to see this offense make some.
Long time reader, first time on feed. my offseason aquisitions
My wishful Chiefs offseason or what I would do if I was in charge of personel.
Free agency-in house
Brandon Carr- highest offer, 45 mil 6 year 23 guarantee think he would take that at #2 corner D. Bowe 5 year 50 mil with 25 guaranteed whichever one held out gets the franchise tag and I look to next years first roumd to replace them if a contract can’t be worked out during the season
Outside free agents
OL C. Nicks offer 5 year 50 mil 25 guaranteed Rb P. Hillis 2 year 4 mil OL B. Grubbs 3 year 9 mil TE J. Finley 4 year 20 mil 10 guaranteed WR P. Garcon 1 year 1 mil NT. P. Soliai 3 year 9 mil
Trade
DL G. Dorsey to a team with 4-3 for 3rd or 4th
Trade our 1st (11) to cincy for thier 1st (17) and 2nd (49)
Draft
First round 1. (17) D. Powe
Second round 2. (43) V. Burfict (49) P. Konz
Third round 4. K. Osemele. OG 5. B. Weedon or B. Osweller QB. Osweller is a 6’8 250 QB with good arm strength
Forth round 6. C. Brown North Carolina CB.
Fifth round 7. T. Dye ucla SS
Six round 8. I. Pead Rb.
Seventh round 9. C. Green TE
I don't see the following as realistic scenarios:
1) Dorsey trade
2) Konz falling to 49
3) Osemele falling to the 3rd
4) Pead falling to the 6th
Also, we would never spend that much in FA.
But welcome aboard!
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I agree
thats a lot of moves I don’t think they do much maybe sign our guys and 2 other FA and if they trade anything its up for RG3 or down for a extra 2nd or 3rd
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 28, 2012 10:55 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Mock
1st Decastro OG / Coples DE
2nd Poe NT / Allen S
3rd Fleener TE / Burfict LB
4th Ballard RB / Martin RB
5th Boise S / Weeden QB
6th OL
7th OL
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 28, 2012 11:04 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Highly doubt we consider Coples unless we trade Dorsey(which i don't think we do).
OT will need to be taken higher than the 6th round.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 28, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
wiggle room
Thanks nick, I forgot to mention that I only expected 2-3 of the free agents I listed. As far as konzt and ose falling that far, with the amount of good corners and Qbs coming out thia year and the need for them, I suspect that ol especially guards, teams usually pick lineman up mid second (55) and after for vaule. The dorsey trade may not happen but I believe from his previous draft that Pioli will find a way to get extra picks early, and dorseys contract is up and paying him a fat contract should not happen.
I dunno. I do think there'll be good OL in 2nd and 3rd, but we might be surprised at how early some of those guys go, this year.
I mean, when was the last time we were talking so seriously about 2 possible interior OLs in the 1st? If we’re talking this way on AP, there’s at least a chance that quite a few teams are looking at OG/OC differently. There’s quite a variety of defensive fronts being employed in the league, and your OL needs to be able to fight all kinds. The upper tier of Gs and Cs are becoming close to as valuable as the upper tier of OTs.
would of ≠ would've
Senior Bowl Draft Stock
Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
Running backs are the hardest position to evaluate at Senior Bowl because practices don’t allow tackling. As a result, it is impossible to know if backs would break tackles and get yards after contact. Despite those limitations, Martin stood out above the other breaks for a few reasons. The top one being his third-down abilities. Martin was one of the half backs who performed the best in blitz pickup drills against linebackers. He has the strength to take the hits from linebackers and fits up well on them at the point of attack. He also was one of the best backs for running routes out of the backfield. He burned linebackers with quickness and showed good hands.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012stock_18.php
More praise for one of my favorite backs in the draft, he fits us so perfectly its funny. I just hope hes still there in the 3rd come April.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Seemed like a lot of those RBs were waiting for the LBs, when they need to go out and meet them, with a head of steam on.
I wondered how much of that was the drill design…
would of ≠ would've
Senior Bowl Stock Down
Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State
The Seminole offensive tackle had a rough week. Zebrie Sanders was consistently beat in the one-on-one pass protection drills. He especially struggled with Coples, Upshaw and Ingram. That is a real concern. As a starting offensive tackle and edge blocker, Sanders has to be up the task of holding his own against tough pass-rushers. During any NFL season, Sanders will consistently face first-round pass rushers, and it is paramount that he can protect his quarterback.
Some felt that Sanders could be a left tackle in the NFL, but that view should be scraped after the Senior Bowl. For the next level, Sanders should stay at right tackle, the position he started out for most of the past four years. He has the flexibility to play left tackle in a pinch, and that is a nice option on game days if a starter goes down with an injury. While some were pushing Sanders as a late first-round pick, his Senior Bowl performance should place his stock in the 2012 NFL Draft as a selection on Friday night.
Everybodys favorite RT from the links above, i dont really wanna draft him tbh.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
I don't like him either
He is pretty far down my list. He actually played worse at RT in college. I see him dropping to the 3rd now.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I'm still holding out hope.
Sanders has a good blend, at least to my eye. Also, I think Ingram and Upshaw are going to cause problems for offenses in the league, regardless of who’s at RT.
I watched Senior Bowl week stuff last night. I’ll look again for more on Sanders. Seemed to me like he was playing it more clean on those drills, and showing good feet. A number of the prospects I saw were earning praise from the boothcasters, because they were denying the flag, but to my eye, they were reaching and grabbing. That kind of wrestling match will draw the flag, and without that kind of grabbing, maybe some of those guys currently earning high marks will be exposed.
But I’m not STUCK on this impression, with a couple strong football guys aligned against me. Appreciate the input. It’ll educate my next viewing.
would of ≠ would've
I didn't watch the Senior Bowl game
Did he fare better than he did in practice? I think the kid has potential, but I don’t see him becoming anything more than serviceable. If we can trade down in the 2nd and still get him, that would be ideal, but I would almost rather wait until the 3rd and snag McCants or Datko, who I believe have higher ceilings (barring injury). Of course, this is all dependent on FA and possible trade downs.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Much better
Thats usually the case though with ZBS guys.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 31, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Mitchell Schwartz is about the same quality as Sanders and offers the same versatility as Sanders
And is projected a lot later.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 28, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I see it as Coples and Ingram being the best pass rushers in the draft.
a second round RT will have some difficulties against top flight pass rushers. but nothing i’m sure coaching can cure
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 28, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Except hes not viewed as a RT
More an average LT, and even if we drafted him it would take a year of solid weight room Work before hes ready to handle NFL linemen.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs mock draft
1st-David DeCastro/Trent Richardson
2nd-Dontari Poe/Vontaze Burfict
3rd-Levy Adcock/LaMichael James
4th-Derek Wolfe/Marcel Jones
I hate doing trade editions
But I feel like a trade down from #11/12 is our best option to fill as many holes as we have.
Trade #1: Cincinnati trades up to #12 to draft Trent Richardson. KC receives #17, #53, and #148.
Trade #2: Philadelphia trades up to #46 to draft Cordy Glenn. KC receives #51 and #77.
1 (17). David DeCastro – G – Stanford (from Cincinnati)
Our starter at LG for the next 10-12 years. I realize RT is a bigger need, but DeCastro is the better value.
2 (51). Lamar Miller – RB – Miami (from Philadelphia)
Second best runner in the Draft. Perfect for the ZBS. Good speed and vision. Should get some action right away.
2 (53). Zebrie Sanders – OT – Florida St.
A poor showing at the senior bowl will hurt his stock. I am not a huge fan of his, but he ideal size and enough upside to give him a shot here.
3 (76). George Iloka – S – Boise St.
Great size with a frame to add more weight. Strong all-around safety that some scouts look at as a possible CB due to his build. Replaces Sabby Piscitelli on roster.
3 (77). Vontaze Burfict – ILB – Arizona St.
Out of control. Physical freak, but inconsistent on the field. Needs to channel his anger to something positive on the field. There is a huge talent drop-off after Hightower and ILB is a position of need.
4 (106). Lardarius Green – TE – La-Lafayette
Good receiving TE. Has lined up all over the field. Good size with the frame to add more bulk once he gets introduced into a big-time weight program. Better receiver than blocker. Replaces Jake O’Connell on roster.
5 (139). Charles Brown – CB – UNC
Pure nickel corner. Good build but height will prevent him from projecting as an outside corner. Good production against good competition. Shuts down slot receivers and will be an asset to our sub-package. Replaces Travis Daniels on roster.
5 (148). Tramain Thomas – S – Arkansas (from Cincinnati
Our defensive secondary overhaul is complete with Tramain Thomas. Complete safety that plays faster than he times. Productive against top-level competition. Good ball skills, but lacks ideal height. Should find a role on special teams and in sub-packages.
6 (170). William Vlachos – C – Alabama
A poor showing at Senior Bowl drops his stock. Looks better on actual game film than 1-on-1 drills in practice. Good experience and top-level competition. Gritty gamer.
7 (203). Aaron Corp – QB – Richmond
Good size and decent accuracy. Doesn’t have elite arm strength. Not a great leader. Some injury concerns. Transfer from USC after losing his starting job to Matt Barkley following injury. Draft a QB every year philosophy.
RE-SIGNINGS:
-Dwayne Bowe – WR
-Brandon Carr – CB
-Le’Ron McClain – FB
-Barry Richardson – G/T
-Cory Greenwood – ILB/ST (re-signed)
-Brandon Siler – ILB (re-signed)
FREE AGENTS:
-Paul Soliai – NT – Miami
-Peyton Manning – QB – Indianapolis
-Jacob Tamme – TE – Indianapolis
-Adrian Arrington – WR – Saints
‘THE RIGHT 53’ DEPTH CHART:
QB: Peyton Manning, Matt Cassel, Aaron Corp
RB: Jamaal Charles, Lamar Miller, Dexter McCluster
FB: Le’Ron McClain
WR: Dwayne Bowe, Jon Baldwin, Steve Breaston, Adrian Arrington, Jeremy Horne, Terrance Copper
TE: Tony Moeaki, Jacob Tamme, Lardarius Green
LT: Branden Albert
LG: David DeCastro, Ryan Lilja
C: Rodney Hudson, William Vlachos
RG: Jon Asamoah, Barry Richardson
RT: Zebrie Sanders, David Mims
Offense: 25 players
RDE: Glenn Dorsey, Allen Bailey, Brandon Bair
NT: Paul Soliai, Jerrell Powe
LDE: Tyson Jackson, Amon Gordon
ROLB: Tamba Hali, Cam Sheffield
SILB: Brandon Siler, Vontaze Burfict
WILB: Derrick Johnson, Cory Greenwood
LOLB: Justin Houston, Gabe Miller
RCB: Brandon Carr, Jalil Brown
SCB: Javier Arenas, Charles Brown
LCB: Brandon Flowers
FS: Kendrick Lewis, George Iloka
SS: Eric Berry, Donald Washington, Tramain Thomas
Defense: 25 players
K: Ryan Succop
P: Dustin Colquitt
LS: Thomas Gafford
Special Teams: 3 players
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I like this
a lot very nice I have been thinking along these lines as well
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 28, 2012 2:12 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
very nice
Only issue may be DeCastro not lasting that long. Dallas and Arizona will both be interested in interior linemen. Other than that, I think you nailed it. We might be starting to push the cap though with Bowe, Carr, Manning AND Soliai
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 28, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares?
You have to spend to the floor after next season anyway. Manning is a short-term investment and once he is gone it will open up a lot of money so its not going to hurt you long-term.
Soliai would likely be short-term contract. McClain and Richardson can be re-signed short-term for fairly cheap as well. I don’t see McClain as a must-have back, although I would like to see him back and more involved in the offense. Don’t forget about Shane Bannon. Bowe and Carr can be front or back-loaded, depending on how our financial sheet looks. With the new draft slotting sytem, we can afford to invest a little more in FA. Tamme and Arrington would cost very little, and would be improvements over what we have now. Arrington knows the EP already and Tamme has a good report with Manning.
We could easily make it work, provided we are paying Manning $15M instead of $30M. Whatever it takes to outbid the Jets.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
nice work as usual, NB
but… I think Manning retires
I don’t see the point of a 7th rd QB with as many flaws as Corp… I can’t see him beating out Stanzi
I don’t see “replacing Travis Daniels” as a big need, he has been solid
I love the DeCastro, Miller, Lloka, and Green picks, though
and picking up Soliai would be HUGE
After about the first 50 picks, every QB is a pure crapshoot.
Including Stanzi, unless/until he actually sees the field for awhile. If our strategy is gonna be trying to strike it Brady, then we’ll need to churn through a LOT of late round QBs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I appreciate your in-depth look
I can’t do that because I change my mind the next day. DeCastro is a good choice in the first, although I want Trent Richardson (I’m a Bama guy). On that note, nice addition in Vlachos. You’re right, he’s a gritty gamer. I’m not big on Burfict, but I guess he could turn out to be a good player. Oh, and you kinda slipped Peyton Manning in under the radar. Wouldn’t that be amazing if we got him, somehow? That would make all the difference…if he’s healthy.
getusome sucka!
As a bama guy, what do you think about Hightower?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Of course I'm biased, but
Hightower was awesome this year. Last year was tough for him, coming off an injury that destroyed his knee, but this year it all came back and he was a beast. He was a leader for our monster defense. He made play after play, and he’s got the build to do well in the league. Highly recommended, but I don’t see him dropping to the 2nd round for us…sigh.
getusome sucka!
Well, hopefully he runs slow at the combine.
And hopefully people see him as strictly a 3-4 guy, that can cause a player to drop.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
who do you think was better coming out. Him or McClain
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 31, 2012 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
My Mock Draft
1. David DeCastro, G Stanford
2. Mike Adams, T Ohio State
3. Isaiah Pead, RB Cincinati
4. Alameda Ta’amu, NT Washington
5. Russel Wilson, QB Wisonson
6. George Iloka, S/CB Boise State
7. T-Bob Herbert, C LSU
7. Brian Hendricks, ILB Whyoming
Dexter McCluster
oh my god
that’s a great mock IMO nice
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 28, 2012 11:26 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
maybe skip
on Wilson tho I think N.Foles QB instead if he is there but if we don’t go for RG3 wait I think we should wait till next year to take a QB
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 28, 2012 11:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
That is kind of my mantra as well
I have us mocked to Aaron Corp in the 6th-7th, just because I think he still has a high ceiling.
The main problem with this year’s mid-late QB prospects is their poor size. Corp has close to ideal and is at least accurate. You aren’t going to get a well-rounded QB with size at that point in the Draft, so you just have to take what you can get on a guy like Corp that has at least two of the most important tools.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Not realistic though
Adams won’t last until our pick in the 2nd. Pead will probably be taken in the late 2nd, and it may be overly optimistic to expect him to fall in our lap in the 3rd. Ta’amu should be off the board sometime in the 3rd, but I think his stock will depend a lot on his performance in the Combine. Iloka will be long gone by the 6th, he is a 2nd-3rd round talent.
Wilson may fall to the 5th, but at that point why settle? His ceiling is pretty low compared to some of the other prospects, and we could always add depth at other positions.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I think there'll be a quality RB there for us in the third.
Just looking at big boards, I see seven RBs who I’m almost positive would be great for us. And that’s even leaving out some trendy man-crushes like Ballard and Polk. No way ALL these backs go in the first two rounds:
T. Richardson
D. Martin
D. Wilson
C. Gray
I. Pead
LM. James
L. Miller
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Imo Ballard is better than every running back listed except for Miller and Richardson.
He is a one cut downfield runner that finishes his runs with authority yet has speed for his size. Calling him a man crush isn’t exactly right. But he is projected as a 4th or 5th rounder and that’s why everyone puts him in their draft. He is easily 2nd round quality.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Even Wilson?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
That is a tough one but i would say yes.
Wilson averaged 5.9 ypc in the weak ACC while Ballard averaged 6.2 ypc in the SEC with 10 touchdowns.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
He averaged 4.4 YPC career vs. SEC opponents
4.7 YPC this year against SEC opponents, but you are right: 6.2 overall. Was horrible against real defenses with bad games against Alabama, LSU, and Georgia.
I still think he is a solid player, but there is a reason he is a 4th round grade. A lot of people have Ballard mancrushes around here and I just don’t see it.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Cool. Eight RBs then. Raises our odds even more.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
RBs
I think it will go:
1. Richardson (high 1st rounder)
2. Miller (mid 2nd)
3. Peah (late 2nd)
In the first two rounds.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Well, that wasn't really a projected order.... But I think Martin will go before Pead.
He looks like a more complete and sturdier back to me. He was doing some good dirty work in the Senior Bowl.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
One would believe will all this talent rising, good prospects will be there for us in the third and later
Ala Houston
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 29, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows on Pead? Those guys go up and down every year. And Adam's is a 1-2 rounder. Also, on the mock at the tope Ta'amu goes in the 4th
George Iloka, S, Boise State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 222.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Arm: 33 7/8. Hand: 9 5/8.
Projected Round (2012): 6-7.
12/31/11: In 2011, Iloka was second on Boise State in tackles with 58. He had zero interceptions and one pass broken up this season. Against TCU, Iloka gave up some passes deep downfield. Arizona State torched him in the Bowl game.
8/26/11: George Iloka is entering his third season as a starter and fourth season of significant playing time. In his career, he made the majority of his splash plays as a freshman, notching four interceptions with 6.5 tackles for a loss, one sack and 63 tackles. In Iloka’s first year as a starter, his numbers dipped to 48 tackles with 2.5 tackles for a loss and one interception. Last season, he had 63 tackles with two tackles for a loss and two interceptions. Iloka is an experienced player who is a good athlete. He needs to increase his takeaways as a senior.
Dexter McCluster
Here is the most reliable site for projections:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012
DraftTek is good for simulations, but the the projections are often pretty far off. Other sites like DraftNasty are just a waste of time.
Happy mocking.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
yeah, that's what I use
none of them are “correct”
but at least cbs is close, and complete, and gets updated
My last mock of this thread
Chiefs trade back with Cincy to pick 21 and pick up a 3rd rounder this year and a 2nd next year.
1. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St.
He was great at the senior bowl and showed that he belongs in the first round with his ability to shut down Upshaw and Ingram. Better as a run blocker than a pass blocker he is a great RT prospect with LT depth also.
2. Alameda Ta’amu, NT/DE, Washington
I envision Crennel using Ta’amu much the same way the Ravens use Ngata. He is a big 5 tech with potential to play NT. Let him gain strength and learn to 2 gap at DE and slide him to NT when he is ready.
3. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
A big strong tight end that has the ability to block and is a sound receiver. He should pair up nicely with Moeaki and allow him to be more of a passing threat.
3. Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
A big safety that has the ability to backup FS and SS that can also cover TE’s and RB’s. He is more of a natural safety than Antonio Allen and i believe Allen played himself into the second round at the Senior Bowl.
4. Vick Ballard, RB, Miss St.
A big downhill runner with big play potential. I really like Ballard as a backup to Charles and a bruiser.
5. Isaiah Frey, CB, Nevada
Frey has the size and speed to be an NFL corner and i believe a team should add a corner every season if possible because of how important they are.
6. Chris Galippo, ILB, USC
Ideal size and speed for a SILB. He has a ton of potential but isn’t suited for the Cover 2 that the Kiffins brought in.
7. Marvin Jones, WR, Cal
Jones had a very good week of practices at the Senior Bowl and i feel he is going to be a good WR in the NFL. If he is around here we should give him a shot.
7. Jeremiah Hatch, G/C, Kansas
Hatch is drafted as potential depth at center and guard along the offensive line. He has had a decent college career and is a sound run blocker with pulling ability.
yeah
that’s good but sure would be nice if Allen would drop to the 3rd for us
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 29, 2012 9:59 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't see a huge drop in talent or ability from Allen to Smith.
Each one has their strengths and weaknesses but Smith is much more of an all around safety. Allen is kind of a big corner. He excels when asked to cover someone man to man but when asked to play deep zone or anything he kind of struggles.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think Smith is Sabby Piscitelli 2.0
Good size and athletic. Not a cancer in the locker room or anything, but for whatever reason just hasn’t put it all together.
By that I mean, a better prospect on paper than on the field. I’m not real high on Allen either, but he seems to be a favorite around here.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I can see the comparisons coming out of school.
But the talent is there and he plays much smarter than Sabby does. Harrison makes sound tackles he doesn’t go for big hits. He bats balls down he doesn’t jump them and take a risk of allowing a completion. I think he is a perfect compliment to Berry and Lewis in our 3 safety set.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Too bad offensive linemen dont get MVP awards
Otherwise Mike Adams shouldve won it. He dominated Upshaw, Coples and Ingram.
Now im not so enthusiastoc about drafting him in the top 12 like Jon, hes pretty inconsistent and I have heard a few OSU fans call him “fools gold” which raises some red flags. Seems inconsistency has been an issue for him his whole career and thats not something easily fixed.
Id still rather have Decastro, and Adams only after a trade down. Adams has huge upside though and looks really athletic, potential is definitely there to be a LT down the line ala Jason Peters.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
I had a trade down to pick 21 and then selected him.
I agree i wouldn’t take him before Decastro. But i would gladly trade down to the early 20’s and select him at RT.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Ah didnt notice that, then We agree
Since Emery is GM for the bears i could see a trade down with them thay have a couple thirds. Id easily take Adams within top 20 and i doubt he lasts much lOnger then that.
Glenn or Konz would be good cOnsolation prizes if we miss out on Adams or DeCastro.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
I would agree with that. Maybe Jonathan Martin or Reiff are available and Chicago wants to move up.
Or hell they might move up for Decastro. I would prefer to pick up maybe a 2nd next year and a third this year. Getting more ammunition next season to move up for Barkley.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Well going by the trade value chart their two 3rds matchup perfectly
Maybe even a little in our favor, 3 thirds is a lot of ammo to work with too. Really their are multiple variations.
I see you like Barkely too, hes my favorite QB prospect next year. As a trojan fan im glad he stayed, hes got definite #1 overall potential if he continues to work on his weaknesses.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think Barkley is the number one overall pick and I honestly like him just as much as Luck.
People are obsessing over Luck and they should be but Barkley is every bit as good of a QB. 3 thirds definitely is a lot of ammo for building the team this year but i would really like to snag another second or third next season.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Eh i wouldnt go that far
I think he has lesser arm strength and not as good a runner scrambling but he is pretty special. Im of the opinion he isnt just some USC QB, he really impressed me this last year before i wouldve said hes overrated. If he wins a national championship i think hes a lock for #1.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 29, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Andrew luck has great arm strength either.
That is both of their weakness. RG III definitely has better arm strength and deep ball accuracy. And I would agree that Barkley isn’t as good of an athlete but I worry about Luck pulling an Elway or Manning and trying to strong arm the team drafting him.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 29, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you
Luck is vastly overrated and I don’t think he is that much better than Barkley.
Barkley has a higher ceiling, IMO.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I agree however
I dont see Barkely throwing 50 yard bombs to his WRs while practically getting sacked you know what i mean. At least not yet, maybe he continues to work on his arm strength in the weight room.
At the very least arm strength isnt a concern for me with either player, i compare Barkely’s to Brady’s coming out and Luck to P.Manning. Guys who dont have the greatest arms in the world but still the best to ever do it.
I dont think Luck pulls an Elway, hell go to the Colts Peyton or no Peyton. I see the Colts cutting Manning anyways, and im liking their moves in the front office and coaching staff.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 30, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah me too I really like the direction they went.
I hope we can get a promising young defensive coach for when Romeo is done in here.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 30, 2012 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
I am starting to endorse the trade down idea more and more
At first I was DeCastro or bust, just because I think he is a once-in-a-decade talent and will be an All-Pro franchise player.
But I could live with trading down and letting the chips fall where they may. We would at least be able to get one of these guys at #21:
1. DeCastro (doubtful)
2. Reiff (doubtful)
3. Martin (doubtful)
4. Adams (50/50)
5. Konz (probable)
6. Osemele (probable)
7. Hightower (probable)
I think we should definitely show our interest in Trent Richardson, because he is the one guy with a good chance of falling to us that I see teams willing to trade up for. Let it be known that we will draft Richardson at #12 if he is there and the trade offers should come flying in.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I actually like Zeitler more than Osemele.
Osemele has question marks about his work ethic and football IQ.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No Glenn?
I think hes got Carl Nicks type upside, with maybe even better feet.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 30, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
I really like Glenn.
Partly because I have dreams about us moving to a more power-blocking scheme…. But also because he could fill in at RT in a pinch. Versatility FTW.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Luck has better arm strength then he gets credit for
He runs Three TE sets he doesnt get to show it off very much
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
I want upshaw
he is a high motor guy and a beast of a pass rusher then go with a OL in the 2nd
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 29, 2012 8:55 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Cause we have Hali and Houston we need another OLB?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 5:41 AM CST up reply actions
He can
play DE as well we can probly do better then Jackson or dorsey but if not I really like Houston but we can find a replacement for siler and bleacher
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 30, 2012 11:30 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Upshaw can play 4-3 defensive end, but is way too small for 3-4 DE.
For an ILB, I’d prefer to wait and get his team mate Hightower a little later in the draft. He’s got more experience at ILB anyway.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I like hightower but...
I don’t think he is Upshaw he got some good number when the players where running away from Upshaw into Hightower’s arms but do agree he might be a little too small for 3-4 DE but he was blowing up the o-linemen in the senior bowl going thru people!
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 30, 2012 12:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Well you are trying to compare a WOLB in college, who will be a SOLB in the pros
to a SILB… yeah they stats wont be the same however Hightower was used to rush the QB in a lot of their subpackages along with Upshaw. Upshaw is not a 3-4 DE as been stated
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
your right on that
I feel like upshaw will be better in the long run with our LB core we would have a LB core like the NY Giants have on DE 5 of the best in the league and saying we are a 3-4 why not add another great LB then we can have Hali,Houston,Johnson,Upshaw all starting that’s better then Bleacher,Siler,or Andy IMO what do you think?
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Difference in my mind
is that Upshaw is an OLB who maybe could play ILB. Hightower is an ILB who maybe could play OLB. Right now, ILB is our biggest weakness, so I’d go with the primary ILB. Also, Hightower would probably be cheaper in terms of requiring a lower draft pick. But I’ll grant that Upshaw does have better pure athleticism.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Exactly
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
saying we don’t need either really because we have bigger needs Upshaw won’t happen but maybe if hightower slips who knows maybe we get him or someone in the 3rd
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 30, 2012 7:39 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Last chance at perfection...until tomorrow
I’ve switched from walterfootball.com to drafttek. Based on their big board and their current mock draft’s availability, this is my draft for us.
Round Pick Selection School Height Weight Position Value/Reach
1 12 Trent Richardson Alabama 5’11" 224 RBF Value +8
2 43 Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M 6’4" 220 QB Value +5
3 76 Bobby Wagner Utah State 6’0" 235 WILB Value +9
4 106 Michael Egnew Missouri 6’5" 242 TE Value +13
5 139 Matt McCants UAB 6’6" 295 LOT Value +29
6 170 James Brown Troy 6’4" 312 OG Value +56
getusome sucka!
Do like the McCants/Brown picks if we go other directions in the early rounds.. not really liking the direction you went early though
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 30, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Don't like Tanehill.
pretty overrated. he probably is the third best QB in the draft but there is a massive drop from RG3 to him. the only mid round QB i’m interested in is Oswieler
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 31, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
More overrated than
Christian Ponder?
Blaine Gabbert?
My point: with the new draft system, teams are going to reach on QBs hard.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Seems a bit high for Tannehil
and Egnew isn’t what Pioli (and by extension RAC) wants in a TE…unless I’m wrong about that, which very well could be. I just don’t think Pioli wants a pass catch only TE.
In accordance with the prophecy
Using a different site, just to see differences in their ratings. Going off Draftnasty
1. Michael Brockers
2. Mike Adams/Coby Fleener/Dont’a Hightower
3. David DeCastro
4. Tommy Streeter/Josh Chapman
5. Mike Brewster/Ladarius Green
6. Cam Johnson/Tauren Poole
7. Trenton Robinson
7. Antonio Allen
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
Be a hell of a draft though haha
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 31, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
Right
Haha I’d love that Decastro in the 3rd :) lol
by kcchiefs2782 on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM CST via Android app