Getting physical for 2012, and analyzing hopeful 2012 draft pick David DeCastro
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 22, 2012 4:57 PM CST
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It's no secret that football is a physical game, and oftentimes the most physical teams are the most successful (aside from the Raiders). If you really look at Kansas City's most successful years (1969, 1991, 1995, and 2003), the Chiefs were probably in the top 5 most physical teams in the league.
Next season, we are playing the most physical division in football (AFC North), featuring 4 of the nastiest teams in the league. We are also playing the Falcons and Buccaneers from the NFC South, two more fairly physical teams as well as well as playing the Raiders and Broncos twice, as usual.
How do you beat an incredibly physical team? One of the best ways is taking away their best asset of being the intimidator by being even more physical. That's the main reason how Denver beat Pittsburgh, and why Baltimore lost to Jacksonville, Tennessee, Seattle, and San Diego. Those kind of teams aren't used to being out-muscled and kind of fall apart.
Obviously physicality isn't the only factor in football. Cleveland, Tampa Bay, and Oakland are some of the meanest and biggest-hitting teams in the league and are perennial losers. But still it could help.
Where does Kansas City stand in these ranks? In the past 5 or so games, they were about all we could've hoped for. A shutdown defense that produced some nice hits and never allowed a massive amount of big plays. The O-line showed up and seemed to finally find themselves, the running game showed up, but our struggles in the redzone probably brought us down in that category.
And how do you increase redzone efficiency? How about not having the smallest O-line in the league? Say whatever you want about us not having the personnel for a power-blocking scheme, that we just aren't the kind of team that pound it in on the goalline anymore. But why can't we? It's not a coincidence that in the Schottenheimer and Vermeil eras, when we were that kind of team, we had great redzone TD percentage. Why not just bulk up a little, by moving Hudson to center and drafting Stanford guard David DeCastro.
via nflsfuture.com
David DeCastro, one of the best guard prospects in years. Many would say 11th overall is much too high for a guard, but why? He'll probably be the best available player at the 11th pick, and it's even better that he fits a need for next season. He's big, strong, mobile, athletic, and has that kind of confident mean-streak that just makes him seem like such an intimidating presence on the field. With a guy like him, along with promising young center Rodney Hudson, rising stars Jon Asamoah and Branden Albert, and run-blocking savant B-Rich or a free agent, we could have the best interior line in the league, and probably the best run-blocking and one of the most tenacious lines in the league. That's what I believe next season will come down to, how the O-line will be able to contain these great D-lines of the AFC North and the NFC South. We are going to eventually need a guy like DeCastro who can stonewall Ngata, Seymour, Keisel, and Atkins. Keeping the running game alive in those games will be key in victories, and running starts at the line.
Now, let's take a look at DeCastro's 6'5, 313 pound physique in comparison to some of the best all-around guards in the league, and in recent history.
Steve Hutchison, 7x Pro Bowler and All-Pro, 2x Offensive Lineman of the Year. 6'5, 313 pounds (Hmmmmm...).
Ben Grubbs. 6'3, 310 pounds.
Logan Mankins, 4x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro. 6'4, 310 pounds.
Kris Dielman, 4x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro. 6'4, 315 pounds.
Jahri Evans, 3x Pro Bowler and All-Pro. 6'4, 318 pounds.
Marshal Yanda, 1x Pro Bowler and All-Pro. 6'3, 315 pounds.
Brian Waters, 6x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro. 6'3, 318 pounds.
And of course, the one and only Will Shields. 12x Pro Bowler, 9x All-Pro. 6'3, 315 pounds.
What I'm trying to say is that DeCastro has all the potenial and one of the highest ceilings in the NFL, but it's up to him to do something with it. He's got the size, skill, and measurables to be a Hall of Famer, and I would kick myself if we passed up on this kid.
Thoughts?
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I do like decastro and...
we need to shore up the line this offseason, weather its through free agency or the draft we need to get better ont the line, and add more talent to the defensive front seven finishing with some back end depth at the safety and corner positions..
I heart DeCastro
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Agreed
B-Rich needs to be replaced
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I would go Tamba on Pioli with a hatchet
if he did not take DeCastro. Unless DeCastro is gone or Luck is still on the board. Then I wouldn’t. Otherwise, I would.
Dx3: Draft David DeCastro
With the way Pioli
Has filled the team with playmakers and $30 under the cap, I’m going to trust that he will find some line talent and probably trade down the 1st round pick again for a few line picks. It’s not the sexy thing, but overinvesting in Oline doesn’t always pay well…
I wish we had a history of what fans on AP thought we should have took and follow those pick’s performance.
by MichaelMantastic on Jan 22, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions
DeCastro has been the fan favorite this year
Probably the most popular pick on AP since Eric Berry.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
I've been on ... if not driving ... the DeCastro Train for awhile now
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I really like DeCastro
I think he will be a great NFL guard, but he is a guard and we do have the 11th pick and we more pressing needs at RT anyway. However, if Jonathon Martin and Riley Reiff are off the board I would be happy to take DeCastro.
fair enough
actually saw one mock that has DeCastro going to the Redskins at pick #6! and yeah, he’s just that good
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Yeah, I don't understand why people are so against drafting a G this high
He is the surest thing anyone has seen along the O-Line since Joe Thomas. I understand positional value, but the LG position is probably the most important position for your running game, while LT is the most important for your passing game. Look at the contract Mankins got and Jahari Evans. DeCastro is potentially on that level, and we won’t have to pay him $8-10M a year due to the new salary slotting system.
Johnathan Martin and Reiff both have glaring weaknesses, and honestly I don’t put their ceilings that much higher than Albert’s. I see average-to-slightly above average players, not dominant franchise LTs like Jake Long/Joe Thomas. If Matt Kalil is there, I would take him over DeCastro, just due to position value and the fact that we at least have some options at LG in Branden Albert (theoretically), Hudson (theoretically), and Lilja. But I wouldn’t take Martin or Reiff over DeCastro, and I don’t think Pioli will either.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
by Nick Britt on Jan 23, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So well said Nick, it must be said again ; )
Yeah, I don’t understand why people are so against drafting a G this high He is the surest thing anyone has seen along the O-Line since Joe Thomas. I understand positional value, but the LG position is probably the most important position for your running game, while LT is the most important for your passing game. Look at the contract Mankins got and Jahari Evans. DeCastro is potentially on that level, and we won’t have to pay him $8-10M a year due to the new salary slotting system.
Johnathan Martin and Reiff both have glaring weaknesses, and honestly I don’t put their ceilings that much higher than Albert’s. I see average-to-slightly above average players, not dominant franchise LTs like Jake Long/Joe Thomas. If Matt Kalil is there, I would take him over DeCastro, just due to position value and the fact that we at least have some options at LG in Branden Albert (theoretically), Hudson (theoretically), and Lilja. But I wouldn’t take Martin or Reiff over DeCastro, and I don’t think Pioli will either.
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LG position is probably the most important position for your running game
Also, if you factor in the fact that Albert’s already an excellent run blocker, even playing next to a very weak run blocker in Lilja, and you’ve got a left side that just about any average RB can go for 4.5 YPC behind (let alone JC and Dex)
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to quote a few people far wiser than myself ...
LG position is probably the most important position for your running game – Nick Britt
LG position is probably the most important position for your running game – Masons
LG position is probably the most important position for your running game – MNchiefsfan
I agree completely and I wholeheartedly endorse the selection of David DeCastro as our first round draft choice
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Lilja is a good second-level blocker. So he and Albert form a good tandem on the left side.
Replace Lilja with a bigger guy, and I think our run game gets more consistent on the left side but probably gets fewer break-aways.
The play that told me a lot about Albert’s athleticism…. Can’t remember who the other team was, but it was a pass play that had broken down near our own goal line. Cassel was rolling out, Albert was standing a few yards away with nobody to block, and a linebacker was coming in hard. Cassel pointed to the LB (in my head, I heard him say “destroy that, please”), and Albert obediently annihilated him. The linebacker had a full head of steam, put on a pretty good juke….didn’t matter. Albert instantly squashed him and laid on him the rest of the play. Beautiful stuff.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
NICE! see, and imagine what it would be like with DeCastro doing the SAME THING :-)
"destroy that, please" – and Albert obediently annihilated him
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Brandon Albert is, IMO
The most underrated player on this team.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
but overinvesting in Oline doesn’t always pay well…
Examples, please.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 23, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
St. Louis Rams?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
injuries?
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I heard Jason Smith wasn't doing very well.
Also, Danny Watkins.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The LT they took is terrible
Tried to switch him to RT and he’s still terrible
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great reason for us to move Albert to his natural position, right? ;-)
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Exactly
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
He did mention that the O-line clearly needs to be addressed
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
it does, and I hope we're clear about that
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NN, if Pioli passes on DeCastro I'll kick you, too
wait, I mean …
we DO think alike … this … THIS is a post ;-)
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I really want T-Rich from Bama if he is still on the board. But I'd be thrilled with DeCubanCommander
But we all know what is going to happen. Pioli is going to trade back to acquire additional picks. Then use said picks on players who are going to spend the entire year “learning and developing”, and never get on the field.
I think if we got Glenn or Zeitler at the end of the first,
and Massie or Mosley at the end of the second, those players would have very good chances of starting at LG and RT.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
We all don't know that.
Pioli hasn’t traded back yet in the first round with the Chiefs.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Where have you been?
He did to get Baldwin and Houston last year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 28, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Great post.
I agree the chiefs need to get bigger and tougher up front.
As far as the years the chiefs were one of the most physical, on offense anyway.
by fishhooks on Jan 22, 2012 7:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Almost Too Obvious
Got to think we can get a RT in FA. Hard to be anything other than a very good team if you have a great O line with a stout D. If Pioli can pull off the DeCastro, Dontario Poe double I don’t care about the rest of the draft orevn who is the QB.
by denverrefugee on Jan 22, 2012 7:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
ANOTHER Denver Chiefs fan! YAY!
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I recently saw a list of FA Tackles
And Barry Richardson was in the top 5……..
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Nightmare....nice post and I do approve this message
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
but it was way too long! it has pictures and links and research and all kinds of stuff and it's just too much to wade through!
(see what I did there?)
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After watching the patriot game I want the chiefs to draft their own Vince Wilfork. He was straight balling. We need a big physical presence on our d-line. If you watch the baltimore d-line in the red zone their front line took up alot of block allowing those linebacks to make plays.
Good post nightmare
I like DeCastro the best if we stay at 11/12.. However,he better be a stud at the combine to warrant such a high pick at his position. Less than 28 reps in the bench, are over a 5.2 40 want cut it for me… No matter how great his gametape is.
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 22, 2012 11:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
how often does an OG run 40 yds in a game?
I can understand wanting strength, but sheer speed? he’s supposed to have VERY good footwork and is “quick” as well as mobile, and blocks best when pulling (on the move) … he’s absolutely my top choice, bar none
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I hope alot with Charles right on his butt.
by Helmets on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
rec’d
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Jan 23, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Cuz we run a zbs
Everybody on our oline can get up & go.. I hate the idea of drafting a guard that high,but if he’s the eric berry of guards i’d love it.. Just have to back it up at the combine like berry did.
GIVE JAMAAL THE DAMN BALL!!!!!
by chief913-816 on Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
seriously, you're concerned his time in the 40?
DeCastro’s main area of excellence is run blocking. He easily walls off defenders in the run game, and never seems to get beat at the point of attack. He uses quick feet to pull and is as good at locating defenders at the second level as I’ve seen. DeCastro may not be a dominant drive blocker (which may come with some added bulk) but he keeps his legs churning with good effort and has the ability to move defenders off the ball. He plays RG at Stanford mainly because of the power rushing attack they use, which has him pulling on seemingly every run play. DeCastro can easily transition to LG in the NFL.
http://draftbreakdown.com/scouting-report-david-decastro
# Elite run blocker
# Powerful drive blocker
# Great at pulling
# Hits blocks on second level of defense
# Mobile and athletic
# Intelligent
# Great technique with hand placement
# Textbook knee bend
# Rock-solid pass protector
# Proven leader; passion for the game
# Winner at collegiate level
# Durable, experienced 3-year starter
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012ddecastro.php
Pros:
Great size
3 year starter
Equally good at run and pass blocking
Very intelligent
NFL chiseled Body
Great lower body strength
Consistently dominates every snap in every game
Team Leader
Gets to second level well
Able to hit Linebackers on the move consistently
Can handle NT almost one on one for an entire game
Defenders simply avoid himCons:
If you see one you tell me
Player Comparison:
Will Shields
Summary:
Simply put DeCastro has no flaws in his game or in his personality. He should be protecting the president. He has dominated every game I have scouted. He has handled big DT’s with no problem such as Alemeda Ta’Amu and he has dominated quicker DT’s as well. He gets to the second level quickly and demolishes second level defenders which allows for many big plays. Every team could use him but I don’t see him lasting …
http://nflmocks.com/2011/11/19/2012-scouting-report-david-decasto-og-stanford/
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That last one is practically a love letter :)
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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at first I thought one of us wrote it
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 23, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
and considering that DeCastro's major is Math, Science and Engineering ...
I’m pretty confident he’ll be able to quickly learn the intricacies of the NFL playbook
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Hero worship is fun, but everybody has some flaws.
…Better linemen will win some hand battles and get a bit of push in the pocket. Overextends at times,…Not a dominant drive-blocker,…Stronger tackles can anchor or move him a bit off the snap,…Does not always dominate smaller defenders after initial contact, falling off instead of latching on…Will miss inside target on occasion, giving max effort to cut or reach the linebacker as he goes by…Does not have elite foot speed,…Inconsistent sustaining against stroner linebackers and defensive backs, will lower his head and targets can disengage too easily with a punch…
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I know, but that one was so much fun I just had to :-)
nobody’s perfect, but this guy … wow, just wow
that’s all I got :-)
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I do wonder if that was updated / written this year or last year
it has his 2009 and 2010 season analysis, but nothing for 2011 … hmmmmm, don’t suppose maybe he’s improved, do you? just a thought …
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I dunno, those blurbs on CBS usually say whether Rang or Rueter wrote them, but nothing on this one.
But they do have him slotted at #11 overall. Despite all his faults :)
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I've seen mocks that have him going at #6 ... he's in Top 10 in terms of pure ranking numbers (Steve had something on that)
seriously, the guy is such a beast, and so perfect for our system … would be a shame to pass him up (if he’s there)
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I think your list says it all
Steve Hutchinson 17th pick
Ben Grubbs 29th pick
Logan Mankins 32nd pick
Kris Dielman undrafted
Jahri Evans 4th round(108)
Marshal Yanda 3rd round(86)
Brian Waters undrafted
Will Shields 3rd round(74)
I’ll even throw in Larry Allen 2nd round(46)
Not a single 1 taken in the top 15. In fact,only 3 of the 9 were even taken in the 1st round. There are other good guard prospects out there that can be had much later
Brandon Washington Miami 6’4 320
Kevin Zeitler Wisconsin 6’4 318
Lucas Nix Pittsburg 6’5 310
Derrick Dennis Temple 6’3 318
Amini Silatolu Midwestern State 6’3 324
This is actually a pretty decent guard class this year. You could have as many as 7 go in the 1st 3 rounds and still be able to get a really good 1 later.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 3:30 AM CST reply actions
Alright, well let's look at some of the best guards in NFL history, aside from Allen and Shields.
John Hannah, picked 4th overall.
Ed Budde, picked 8th overall.
Randall McDaniel, picked 19th overall.
Jim Parker, picked 8th overall.
Ruben Brown, picked 14th overall.
Steve Hutchinson, picked 17th overall.
My point? Just because you might be able to find a guy at later rounds doesn’t mean that if the talent is there you don’t take him. Just because Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Joe Montana were all later round selections doesn’t mean you don’t take a good QB in the first round, and the same goes for every other position, including guard.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Check
Mate.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Again
Only 3 of those guys are top 11 picks. By your own admission, even the elite of the elite aren’t taken with the 11th pick. There is a reason only 4 guards were taken in the 1st round in the last 5 drafts combined. By comparrison , 25 OT’s were taken in the 1st round in that time span. This isn’t just my opinion, it seems to be most GM’s opinion
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
11th pick, 17th pick, what's really the difference?
A lot of people who complain about picking a guard so high say to pick the best available player, when DeCastro probably will be the best available player.
Are those three guys not some of the best at their position ever? If a guy has potential to be an elite guard, why not take him?
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Because
you aren’t going to get the same value you would at other positions. Lilja needs to be replaced,but Richardson has to be replaced. Jonathon Martin may e the 2nd best tackle. But, he fills a greater need and tackles that can play on an island, are much harder to find than a guard.
But in reality, I would be all in for Luck, if that plan failed, I would trade back to say 17. If there was no one I liked there , then trade back again. Trade back to say 24 and you could still get a Dwayne Allen and you could get 1 of those guards I just mentioned later and have 4 or 5 extra picks
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Luck's a bit unreasonable as it stands right now.
Once again, why take a guy who at the very most may be a pro bowler once or twice when you could have a Hall of Famer? DeCastro has absolutely NO FLAWS. Just look for yourself ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8I56-rnbZ8 ), or watch a few Stanford games if you think these highlights are just glorifying him.
Even DeCastro’s “negatives” still involve him dominating someone. Why take an average tackle over who could be the next top guard? I realize that you think tackle is more important, but why not upgrade guard now, then sign or draft a tackle who is serviceable then wait until we can get a tackle who has elite potential, as opposed to a guy who has the potential to be “alright”?
Do you think it’s just a coincidence that New England set the record for most rushing yards in a season in 1978, and just so happened to have the best guard in NFL history who they happened to draft at 4th overall? Kansas City’s a running team, and what better way to improve the rushing game than by drafting one of the best guard prospects in decades?
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
i've seen a lot on Stanford games
Martin is not an average tackle, he is a top 12 pick. This isn’t 1978 anymore. You need to pass the ball and protect the passer(look at the SB matchup if you don’t believe me) I would be cool trading down and getting Dwayne Allen and multiple picks. There have been so many good guards taken after the 1st round, that you don’t need to reach for 1 with the 11th pick
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
And BTW
The Giants are 32nd in rushing this year and the Pats are 20th. Ya, it’s a passing league
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
As true as that may be...
It’s pretty hard to call the Ravens and 49ers passing teams, and they both had a real close show to making the Super Bowl.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
close but no cigar
there is no 2nd place in this league. Only I team can hold up the lombardi trophy when it is all said and done
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Just out of curiosity
How many great RTs were taken at #11?
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Ron Yary was taken 1st overall in 1968.
Other than that, they were all found in later rounds (Hmmmm… sounds familiar).
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions
maybe Albert needs to move to the right side
I’m not the only 1 saying thishttp://profootballspotlight.com/chiefs/kansas-city-chiefs-roster-breakdown-2012-offensive-line
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Albert picked in the top 15?
Seems like a major loss in “positional value” no matter how you slice it.
You know, if that kind of stuff matters to you :)
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Tait was picked in the top 15
We moved him to RT and I didn’t hear anyone complain then
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
True story
But if we’re still going by the “loss in value” argument, it was a loss.
I want the absolute best player available for our line. If it’s one of the T’s, great. If it’s a guard, great.
An O-line is the sum of its parts, and adding a great piece to the interior is a better deal than adding a good piece to right or left tackle. Finding a “good” player via FA or in the 2nd round is much more likely than a “great” player IMO.
That’s why I’m on board with the DeCastro idea. He’s considered more of a sure thing with a higher floor and ceiling than any of the T’s that will likely fall to us.
And having a “great” player on the line makes the whole that much better than a “good” player.
ALL that said, if they decide to go T I’m fine with that too.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 24, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
this ^^^ is the best thing ever said on Arrowhead Pride
An O-line is the sum of its parts, and adding a great piece to the interior is a better deal than adding a good piece to right or left tackle.
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There are other possibilities at guard
This is a very deep guard class. After Martin the OT talent falls off a cliff. I would rather get a Martin or a Reif and get a Zeitler in the 2nd, than get DeCastro and still have a HUGE GAPING hole on the right side
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 26, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, what makes you think DeCastro can't help the passing game?
Not being able to stop an interior pass-rush is one of the biggest problems for a passing game, and David kept Andrew Luck squeaky clean.
Not to mention, if you look at the rosters every top passing team has an elite interior, probably better than both tackles.
Green Bay-Josh Sitton and Derek Sherrod
New Orleans-Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks
New England-Logan Mankins and Brian Waters.
All the elite tackles in the league are mainly on run-oriented teams.
Cleveland-Joe Thomas
Miami-Jake Long
Denver-Ryan Clady
Oakland-Jared Veldheer
Kansas City-Branden Albert.
Coincidence, perhaps?
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
Or perhaps
A great passer makes his line look better. Manning was sacked 16 times last year. This year the same line gave up 34 sacks. Coincidence?
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 23, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
We'll never know, will we?
While Manning most surely made his line, the same can’t be said for Trent Green in 2003 and whatnot.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 23, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
perhaps DeCastro and the OLine at Stanford is a major reason for Luck 's success
I mean, they had a GREAT running game, which is always an important factor as that keeps the defense "honest: … and Luck always seemed to have plenty of time to find a target and throw
hmmmm … great running game AND time for the QB … coincidence?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
DeCastro this year......then his RB Stepfan Taylor next year, "reunited and it feels so good"
……………did I just quote Peaches & Herb?
/no skitzo
Nice!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
hey, just keepin' it cool, you know the deal
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We'll see who will have the better careers
Decastro and Martin or Luck. I’m betting on the latter
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 24, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
DeCastro or Martin?
I’m betting on DeCastro.
Luck? I’m betting on Luck.
However, two of those guys are realistic possibilities. Luck is not.
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Good point. It seems many of the top QBs have the luxury of stepping UP in the pocket
when the pass protection is breaking down. KC quarterbacks don’t usually have the opportunity to step up into the pocket.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 24, 2012 3:18 AM CST up reply actions
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by chief913-816 on Jan 23, 2012 12:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
However.......
Over Holidays did a 10 year look back on Pro-Bowlers pre-2010.
Half of all in that 10 year period were taken in 1st round and about 80% of those in top half. Only 30% were taken after 2nd round and half of those were F/A.
Interestingly the 3 taken in Saint’s examples just happen to be Pro-Bowlers
By taking DeCastro we not only save $7-8 mill a year for the next 4 years that we don’t have to pay someone like Nicks—if he would even come here, we create a very young potentially dominating O-line. And the more dominating the O-Line the more effective we make our defense
Nicks is young, and a proven dominate force
Yes I like the idea of taking DeCastro but like every draft pick, it is a unknown.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
But Nicks will probably command at least $7-8M yearly
If you are going to overpay in FA, overpay at a position of big need that you can’t upgrade at your current draft position (e.g. Paul Soliai at NT).
Then take DeCastro at #11, sit back, and watch him dominate for the next 10-12 years.
Nicknames I have coined:
Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'
Or take Nicks in FA
Trade down and pick up extra players, like Hightower/Minnifield/Adams
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Well since the arguement was to get the beef above..
how about
Hightower/Glenn/Adams
Glenn has the speed, strength, and size weighing in at 348, and having a 5.28 forty.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
I agree about NT
But I like Pouha for NYJ.
Honestly, we could do well with Solari, Pouha, Garay, or even Franklin (who could come VERY cheap and have something to prove)
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I think we are going to sign Franklin
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
Pioli said he doesnt fit our scheme last year when we didn’t go after him IIRC, not like that has changed haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 24, 2012 5:56 AM CST up reply actions
If we don't get Nicks or DeCastro...
then you might as well put “bitch” in place of “Lilja” on ol’ Ryan’s jersey given the d-lineman we are playing next year. Pick up a RT in the second round and get the stud immediately in the first. Better run game keeps the defense rested and makes our (sigh) qb better.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
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Should retire . Tom Brady made this guy a genius
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 28, 2012 4:24 AM CST reply actions
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