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Recorded an appearance w/a local TV station today. Hour later, reporter called, said Chiefs caught wind; called station. Now spot won't air.

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Babb is whining like a baby here. Nothing nefarious happened. The team may have called and said to not run the story. Maybe they appealed to their journalistic integrity, or maybe they threatened to cut ties with the station. Neither is illegal or surprising.

The reaction here is, however, getting silly.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 11:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

People always try to censor the media

Especially when they don’t like what the media are saying. I am not surprised that the Chiefs would do everything they can to stop the bad press. It’s a damn shame that this spineless TV station caved to their demands.

Babb ought to tell us which station it was. It is a real knock on the stations integrity.

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by Patrick Allen on Jan 21, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

The media choosing to censor itself, and the Chiefs FORCING them are two different things.

Surely you don’t think some mafia style strong-arming is going on. Come on, some of this is just getting silly.

If I owned a business and I was getting bad press from a story that was written so the one item that didn’t have any substantial evidence in it was what was focused on the most, you’re damn right I’d start calling stations and either appealing to their journalistic integrity, or telling them I’d cut ties.

What Babb did was wrong. Not the Chiefs trying to run damage control.

I’d have been fine if the article had been solely about how the environment was hard to work in, was a pressure cooker, was stressful, and that management could expect greatness to a fault. That could have been interesting. But no he put stuff in there that Haley intimated at on a whim and BOOM! The Chiefs are now the worst organization in football to a good bit of the country. EVEN THOUGH there are quirks about many different teams that could be similar to the Chiefs.

It’s irresponsible journalism.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes..........

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He never cites Todd Haley!

He paraphrases one thing Haley said one time very quickly in a heated moment. No citation, no evidence, nothing. You don’t report on possible felonies without some sort of evidence beyond an erratic guy whose about to lose his job, and never calls you back anyway.

No Babb never SAYS they did it. He’s much more subtle. A journalist has a responsibility in what he puts in his writings, and how he writes it as well. Babb wrote a piece of sensationalism.

I know it’s not slander or libel. That’s what I said below!

I’m not ranting about the poor Chiefs, I’m defending what they did here in terms of damage control.

Saying that Haley intimated his bosses at Arrowhead are illegal spying on him without some sort of corroborating evidence, whether it be another witness or some hard evidence, IS irresponsible. Anyone can say something like that at any time. That doesn’t mean you blurt it out on the front page of the KC Scar.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

This
Saying that Haley intimated his bosses at Arrowhead are illegal spying on him without some sort of corroborating evidence, whether it be another witness or some hard evidence, IS irresponsible. Anyone can say something like that at any time. That doesn’t mean you blurt it out on the front page of the KC Scar.

Indeed. That, to me, is the heart of the issue here. It’s really screwed up. Of course the Chiefs would want to stop this from happening. Babb isn’t directly accusing the Chiefs of illegal wiretapping….but he effectively is. Doing so under the mystification of “reporting” doesn’t make it any better.

by cheapham on Jan 21, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree
Babb has never accused the Chiefs of bugging Haley’s phone. He only relayed that Haley thought his phone was bugged. Whether or not you like it, that is a story. Whether or not Haley’s beliefs are true, it is still a story worth reporting.

It isn’t slander. It isn’t libel. It is fact. The head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs thought his phone and office might be bugged. That is the story.

No, that is decidedly not a story. You know why? Because it involves accusations of serious, federal-level crimes….without any proof whatsoever. If Babb or Haley were able to offer something, anything, that would back up such a claim…then yes, you have a story. Without any evidence, it’s not “information” at all.

Alright, fine. It’s not libel. But it’s damn close.

by cheapham on Jan 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

what

you mean like the supposed cell phone that was bugged, why would they not have turned that over to authorities for testing if there was any truth to this crap what so ever

by banshee_01 on Jan 21, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Chiefs called the radio station, they cancelled a segment

One that they requested, scheduled and shot, mind you. Its not like Babb mailed them a videotape and asked them to air it.

And you think the Chiefs didn’t force them? You really want to hide behind semantics here? Give me a break, man.

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by big matt on Jan 21, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Are you saying the Chiefs shot the segment? Or the station? If it’s the latter, I’m well aware of that. The Chiefs called and asked that they not air it, whatever that entails.

How do you think the Chiefs can “force” a tv station to not air something. Did Pioli take one of their children hostage? Come on, Big Matt.

by bossmanham on Jan 22, 2012 1:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know how this means Haley is less crazy.

The Chiefs could have threatened legal action or could have asked them as a professional courtesy to not run an unsubstantiated bunch of poo.

Like has been said, until there can be some proof offered, this is a dead end story.

by bossmanham on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM CST reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Mully on Jan 20, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

The report of Haley's suspicions about his hacked cell phone

essentially accuses the Chiefs of felonies, and potentially much worse. Did anyone see what happened to News of the World? Without any proof, it’s not “reporting,” it’s libel. If Babb thinks he can just keep “reporting” what Haley intimated to him without any accountability on his (or Haley’s part), he’s crazy. Doesn’t this man have a journalism degree for crying out loud?

by cheapham on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

No guys, not necessarily.

There are rules of journalistic integrity that, if broken, aren’t necessarily illegal.

Babb wrote the story so that libel charges won’t stick. He’d just say that he was reporting what people said and never asserted anything beyond that. He dos write the story, however, such that it leaves room for imaginations to run wild.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Plus

Libel Here, and Libel/slander in Britain are two very different things. it is not so easy to be convicted here as it is in the old world. Nothing of the sort would stick, considering sources are cited that have not come forth to dismiss the citation (aka Haley saying, No I did not say/think that) and in any case, stuff is said like that all the time, even in the media. Half of sports rumour news would be in that same bucket if that were the case.

by siskoeva on Jan 21, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

He made no accusations.

He reported what people told him that they believed to be true or suspected. Not sure how that’s wrong.

by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jan 21, 2012 6:26 AM CST up reply actions  

He's reporting accusations and suspicions that have very serious implications

Yes…there is a story there about what appears to some to be a dysfunctional workplace. All the things about closed blinds, candy wrappers, people not having lunch together…those are facts that no one is questioning. It is interesting, and people can make of it what they will.

The Todd Haley part of all this is completely different. It is based on no evidence whatsoever. It is just hearsay…hearsay that accuses the Chiefs organization of federal crimes. The fact is, there is nothing in Babb’s story that comes close to corroborating Haley’s accusations. These are incredibly serious accusations, but to continue to “report” them is actually irresponsible journalism. To “report” that someone “thinks” a federal crime has been committed (cell phone tapping), without any evidence from that person or the reporter….is really screwed up.

Imagine someone was murdered, and there was an ongoing investigation. A reporter interviews a family member, and they say they “think” it was a specific person whom they name. They provide no evidence, and nothing the reporter can dig up suggests that this named individual did the crime (even if they are kind of a shady person). A responsible journalist with integrity does not report what the family member says. Without any actual evidence or proof, it’s wrong to do so, plain and simple. It’s dangerously close to libel, and if Babb keeps “reporting” this conversation he had…I wouldn’t be surprised if legal action did take place.

by cheapham on Jan 21, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Reporting OTHER PEOPLE'S suspicions is not the same as you saying they're true.

He wrote it like he did for a reason. He’s covering his own ass as much as the Chiefs are covering theirs.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

What he reported is that Haley felt his phone had been tampered with. “, Haley said he believed his personal cellphone, a line he used before being hired by the Chiefs in 2009, had been tampered with.” it can mean any number of things. Maybe he meant he thought someone was checking his phone calendar or reviewing his pictures or looking at his list of contacts – we probably will never know. It’s only Nick Wright I heard report that he felt it had been tapped – and my personal feelings of NW are that he likes to sesnsarionlize things. Seems to have paid off here.
As for the “taps” that was offices and hell I’ve heard that the elevators at my work are tapped. Guess I better go into full panic mode then.

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by tybme on Jan 21, 2012 12:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Wonder what station that was?

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by LadyChief on Jan 20, 2012 11:39 PM CST reply actions  

Kent Blabb... Enough already

Your 15 minutes is up

For constantly playing Palko, Haley needs to be fired

by ArrowheadHunter on Jan 20, 2012 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

I'd rather go on what is than what if...and what is now is that there have been way

too many of this type of story (toxic environment, fear of reprisals, micro-managing, leaked negative hack stories that aren’t addressed, confirmed references to attention to trivial detail), to totally discount it.

A few disgruntled former employees is one thing, but it’s much rarer to see 20+ in addition to people still there but afraid to talk on the record willing to discuss the same type of thing.

My gut is willing to predict that more will filter out over the next 6+ months.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

But you're dealing in possibility, not reality, with your speculation about more facts "filtering out."

Not to mention what your gut tells you about something like this isn’t reality either.

So apparently you go on what if’s, not what is, after all.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

True regarding "filter"...but I am willing to wait & see how things develop over the long term

rather than assume 32 people are lying.

My “gut” however, is based on the totality of what’s occurred already over this past year…so I will restate it somewhat…my prediction is that more will yet come out to substantiate the claims that the work environment there is toxic due to poor management – which is unhealthy to any organization as a whole.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not assuming any of them are lying.

None of them say anything about the phone bugging! And the article says there are only two dozen speaking against the team.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

wow

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by big matt on Jan 21, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think so too

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

we know

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Or the Chiefs have been investigating some of the allegations

To see if anyone actually made them. Babb made a mistake, plain and simple. You don’t report everything anyone will tell you.

by WURoyal on Jan 21, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

What about anything

24 people will tell you?

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by Patrick Allen on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

24 people did not accuse the chiefs of federal crimes

Only Haley did. 24 people gave mixed stories about what its like to work in the chiefs offices, and it sounds like its pretty strict and at times difficult/stressful. Putting Haley’s accusation of a federal crime in the midst of a story like that only gives it the appearance of credibility. In fact, it just masks the fact that there is nothing that Haley or Babb can/has offered to back up such a claim.

by cheapham on Jan 21, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

24 people that were once used to a pretty cushy job suddenly got jolted back into the reality of how a football organization is run, and how they’re committed to excellence. Not laziness and facebook.

Read the article. This is why Babb is irresponsible. He BEGINS IT with the Haley stuff and how he thought he was bugged. This is an aside of the actual theme of the story (which was the hard stressful Arrowhead environment). So what happens? People FOCUS on the beginning of the article throughout the rest of it and then tie it to everything else, even though it was a very very small part of it.

What a bunch of journalistic BS.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

32 - including 8 CURRENT employees

People keep ignoring that current employees are saying the same thing about the negative atmosphere at 1A when they don’t have big brother (a PR person) sitting beside them.

I for one Chiefs fan don’t want to see a crappy management style in the office bleed over into my football team…and it’s not possible to prevent it.

Focus on problems – the problems increase
Focus on solutions – the solutions increase.

The fact that people IN the organization now think it MIGHT be true (the spying, tapping part) says a lot about the atmosphere – and that’s not good.

A couple of guys who got promoted saying it’s not true is not really convincing to me.

Good management leads by positive example and encouragement – not by hammering on negativity, secrecy, and trivial candy wrapper BS.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The eight current employees spoke favorably about the organization. Read the article.
In addition to the more than two dozen independent interviews conducted by The Star, the Chiefs arranged phone interviews with eight current employees. Farmer and Davis were among those, and their interviews were the only two conducted without a Chiefs PR staffer present. Each of the employees spoke favorably about the working environment and the team’s direction. The team emphasized that the employees were not coached on what to say.

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I stand corrected. I just re-read the article and you're correct on that point.

Although, if I was being interviewed about a place for which I still worked and 1) concerned about keeping my job if I said anything negative; or 2) had a PR person sitting next to me – I doubt I’d have anything to say but good.

And still – 24 people from varying levels of authority – all saying similar things doesn’t bode well. Two or three, yes it’s probably sour grapes, but 24 …

Some of Farmer’s comments seem to substantiate the stupid “no fraternizing with people in other departments” rule with people sneaking out separately to go to lunch with a friend. That type of thing is just ridiculous – it breeds division rather than cohesiveness.

While Hunt & Pioli may genuinely believe they’re doing what’s best in the long term, if they’ve created that type of atmosphere it certainly won’t be helpful in motivating people to do their best. Generally, if a manager treats people with the attitude that they don’t trust them, then most employees are sure going to wonder about the manager & not be motivated to make the person who’s constantly looking for a reason to fire them look good.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

24 former FIRED employees from the old regime.

Farmer’s comments don’t do anything of the sort. He said these are unnecessary behaviors.

I have no issue thinking that the job environment is tough, stressful, and fast paced. It’s the nfl!

by bossmanham on Jan 21, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't see anywhere in there that all of them were fired

Regardless, just because someone is fired doesn’t make them wrong. I’ve seen excellent workers / loyal employees fired by insecure or petty managers. It happens all the time. And if Hunt / Pioli’s attitude was to wipe away Petersen, then they were immediately prejudiced against the existing staff for that very reason. If you want to change a cultural mentality, you do it by providing something better – not by fear and firing.

The fact that there was enough to substantiate a lawsuit by 3 former department heads is troublesome. People without jobs don’t usually toss away what little they have left on a lawsuit that has no chance.

I just transitioned some employees from another business unit to my team last year – people that many others in our unit thought couldn’t do the job right. Yet in just a few months, their performance went from near the bottom to the top and are now being pointed at as the model. Other managers have contacted me to ask how I get so much out of them. AND, the people now working for me tell me regularly that they’re really happy to be on my team and that how I treat them gives them extra motivation. Do I make them fear me? – NO. Do I make them follow rigid trivial rules – NO. Does micro-managing motivate people? – NO. I hear the gripes of current employees who are micro-managed which equals not being trusted to be accountable.
I provide clear expectations and tell them when they are doing a good job/what to keep doing; what to improve with suggestions of how to improve; and what they need to stop doing. Most of all, I encourage open communication & suggestions for improvements – even if it’s about me. I don’t make them feel like they’re going to lose their jobs if they make a mistake or have an issue they’d like to resolve.

One telling item in that to me is that none of the current employees made any kind of reference to a good working environment…none pointed to specifics like I’ve noted about my own work.

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I am thinking KCTV-5

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

Why doesn't someone ask him what tv station

Seems like Babb has been tweeting all these stories but no ones called him on it. Like his story about the dad and his kid the other day. I don’t really care who’s right or wrong because both sides seem shadey to me but I don’t get how people are taking the word of a journalist as gospel without any proof.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 21, 2012 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

I think it is KCTV-5...........

They carry all Chiefs’ broadcasts and games and they are also known for pulling programming that they find objectionable

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by LadyChief on Jan 21, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

So how does he know the team "caught wind" of this?

Does he have “unnamed sources”? This is getting just silly. Babb is becoming pretty desperate in his attempt to substantiate this story with publicity. Why keep it local, Babby? If it is so big and nefarious, you shouldn’t have problems going on ESPN or NFL Network to scream about it. Oh, they don’t want to report on something this unsubstantiated and full of blatantly bias opinion? Awww, shame

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 21, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The anonymous sources in Watergate weren't recently fired employees of Nixon

The sources in this non-story all have motives and cause to cast negative light on the organization. I don’t see a group of current employees coming forth to blow the lid off of this scandal. Everyone will claim “because they don’t want to lose their jobs”, yet don’t realize that they wouldn’t because if they proved these bias opinions to be fact (which is what they are, as these disgruntled employees only state they “wouldn’t be surprised” if what Haley may or may not have said true), the organization would have no grounds to fire them, and would be hard pressed to do so anyway with all of the attention on them with these proofs of illegal activities.

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 21, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

My comment was in the context of all the Babb-bashing (to bossh on that count as well)..
Babb is becoming pretty desperate in his attempt to substantiate this story with publicity.

Everyone has "motives"as well as a frame of reference, including those who comment on AP, regardless their opinion, one way or another.

I refuse to participate in bashing the reporter who is doing his job – reporting what multiple sources (both in & out of the org) have stated to him over a period of months. Now he is commenting on something that has happened to him.

I tend to wonder how any of us would feel if we had landed in the midst of something like this and had so many people maligning our integrity.

Here’s something I’ve not seen anyone ask nor provide any proof for regarding all the stories / reports written by Babb and yet he’s frequently maligned in many comments:
1) how many have been proven to be categorically false? (lots of comments by people assuming he made up sources or embellished on them)
2) how many have been proven to have benefitted him in some way? (assumptions above that he’s getting something out of this)
3) what exactly does he have to gain by reporting this when he had to know he would most likely be shut out by the Chiefs front office, thereby threatening his livelihood (Chiefs reporter for the paper)?

Aside from the question of whether the Chiefs org has actually engaged in illegal activities (unknown and only a “surmise” by someone who was employed by them at the time the statement was made), it seems far more likely than not at this point that the working environment at 1A is at the least very uncomfortable – which frequently equates to non-productive. It also does not paint an attractive picture of an organization for prospective employees (office, coaching or player)…

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by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Or maybe

they realized that Babb is full of shit with these reports and thats why they decided not to air it

by badassz1987 on Jan 21, 2012 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

What does (h/t/ to KC_Chiefs) mean?

Is it something new we’ll have to start adding to fan shots like these?

by KC_Chiefs on Jan 21, 2012 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

It means hat tip...

which is just giving credit to someone when they post something first and Joel puts it on the front page.

by Crown Chief on Jan 21, 2012 6:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Have some sense

Enough already. Kent Babbs needs to find something better to write about. when he has a bug or a tape then talk. In the mean time please give it a rest.

by ET9691 on Jan 22, 2012 7:36 PM CST reply actions  

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