2011 PFF All-AFC West Team

Chiefs That Made It:

WR Dwayne Bowe
DE Tamba Hali -They put him at DE.
G: Ryan Lilja
LB: Derrick Johnson
CB: Brandon Flowers
RET: Javier Arenas

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they always grade Lilja pretty well

maybe the fans’ eye overstates the struggles Lilja/Weigmann had???

From what I saw, both guys generally got the job done… though clearly not in dominating fashion…

I would guess that: Casey retires, Hudson starts at C, and Lilja returns for one more year as the starting LG, while a rookie develops behind him

by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 AM CST reply actions

gotta agree with this

I think liljas play will get better with a new/better center next to him. They should replace right tackle this year then left guard next. we’d have a young/fresh O-line for years

by chiefsfan83 on Jan 20, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions

Leads me to believe that DeCastro is out of the picture

Which is fine with me, I’d rather take an OG with lots of upside in the 2nd or 3rd & let him sit for a season or two learning. Lilja is only 30 & if his play really hasn’t dropped off he could play for several more seasons. I’d rather have a bigger player there though…

We’re in a great position to trade back, with Richardson, Kirkpatrick & DeCastro all potentially being on the board when we’re up.

Predictions:
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by jmcgoblue on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions

very possible

by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions

Im all for the trade back.

Go down into the 20’s, still get a quality player there and pick up an extra 2nd and a 3rd.

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by nateforchiefs on Jan 20, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

Trading back could work

Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback

by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 20, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions

Wiggs and lilja

Are much better zone blocking/ pulling guard,s than man on man ,move the pile type players. They just don’t have the size and strength to push guys back

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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 22, 2012 2:02 AM CST up reply actions

Pretty sad

“Two of the worst three graded tackles in the league, Jeromey Clary and Barry Richardson, ply their trade in the AFC West.”

Think it’s time to finally adress that RT spot. I cannot watch another season with play like that of Richardson. Better than Sackintosh is still miserably inadequate.

by BucktheFroncos on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 AM CST reply actions

The good news

is that Pioli said the OL is a priority. And I’m sure it all starts at RT.

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions

Lilja?

I like the guy, but were the guards in the West THAT bad this year?

by SCKSChief on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 AM CST reply actions

Maybe he wasn't losing as much as we thought...

Could Weigmann have been that bad to make the entire interior look worse?

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions

The entire interior o-line didn't look bad

Asamoah looked downright dominating at times

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by nateforchiefs on Jan 20, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

I guess I saw it differently

The line got us no push and was (besides Albert and at times Asamoah) pretty lousy at run blocking.

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 20, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

Weigmann wasn’t the one making others look bad…

"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.

by JComp11 on Jan 20, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions

Who would you say it was?

PFF may not be perfect, but they generally don’t get things completely wrong…

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 20, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions

Lilja's good on the second level, which is a kinda rare skill.

But he’s not very good on the LoS.

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by Brsrkr on Jan 20, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions

That likely raised his score with PFF

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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 20, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions

Albert>>>>>Lilja

D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"

by reedeasy on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions

Different positions.

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions

still, Albert did better at his position than Lilja did at his

hence the >.

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by reedeasy on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions

But what's your point?

The list isn’t meant to compare different positions.

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions

my point is is that Albert should have made the list before Lilja.

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by reedeasy on Jan 20, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

But Albert wasn't competing against Lilja.

One has nothing to do with the other.

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions

and that you can make a better case for Albert over the other starting LTs in the division

than you can for Lilja over the other starting LGs in the division.

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by reedeasy on Jan 20, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

It is more about the fact that the OG's in the AFC West

sucked this year. The LT position was actually pretty good all around.

What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!

by KSU-Chief on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

Thats what I'm thinking.

Get ready for another season of 3 and outs…if we cant convert on short yardage, especially with Cassel at the helm. That will also eventually take its toll on the D, when they’re on the field too much. I hope the powers that be, know the domino effect…get a stud guard to immediately upgrade the interior Oline (Hudson at center) and an upgrade at RT and be done with it already. DAMN, WTF???

by KCfosho on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 AM CST reply actions

Are you saying the Chiefs won't upgrade their OL?

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

I gotta believe if Cassel is Pioli's boy

he’d give him a real shot at succeeding. I guess we’ll see what happens in FA and the draft, remember everybody else will be looking to improve as well. 1 game separated the AFC West, and they’re only a couple players away from being better too.

by KCfosho on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 AM CST reply actions

Kind of a dumb question .

But when do teams really start signing free agents ? Around march ?

by chiefsman! on Jan 20, 2012 11:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions

*There are no free agents until then.

So yeah, sometime in March, though you can sign your own right now.

*Except those not under contract at the end of the season.

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by Tarkus on Jan 20, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions

Thanks !

So would Bowe and Carr quilify as being able to sign now ? Or maybe they waiting for free agency to see if they get Higher offers ?

by chiefsman! on Jan 20, 2012 2:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

yes, and maybe

by stagdsp on Jan 20, 2012 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

That's not a very good turnout...

by Skrappy on Jan 20, 2012 11:35 AM CST reply actions

That's what happens when your team finishes in last place

I can’t against any of the names on the list and they did mention that Brandon Albert came very close to making the list at LT.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 20, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions

can't argue against

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions

Albert doesn't crack another team.

Albert graded out as a top 5 LT this year and far better then Veldeer so this is a weird choice.

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by GenericBrand on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 PM CST reply actions

Their argument is that he may have higher potential

but was inconsistent this year. If they were going to grade on future potential, you’d think that would count against the 33 year old Champ Bailey.

If I were to put together the best team to represent the AFC West in a game right now, I’d probably use Albert at LT and Bailey at CB. If I were to put together a team to represent the AFC West going into next season, Albert may have a hard time holding his spot and Bailey would probably lose his (to Carr since I’m a homer).

The funny thing to me is that despite the high ratings Albert gets at LT, there are still a number of people on AP that want to move him to LG because they don’t think he’s good enough.

by Chiefs4Life on Jan 20, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

Well it is his natural position

still a number of people on AP that want to move him to LG

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by KingChief on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions

Asamoah > Lilja

Other than that I thought the list was pretty accurate.

by Brady_Rendzia on Jan 20, 2012 3:33 PM CST reply actions

Exactly what I've been saying about Lilja

Better than most fans lead on, dragged down by Wiegmann, transitioning back to a position he did not play the year before. No need for an instant upgrade at OG, and definitely no need to use a first round pick on one

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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 20, 2012 4:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs