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CORNER/SAFETY = A Chiefs D top priority this Year.

Since Todd Heap took over the Baltimore Game the Chiefs Defense has had one glaring problem.

They don't have an answer when they face a BIG MAN.

Scott Chandler (6'7) 2x TDs - BUFF
Calvin Johnson (6'5) 2x TDs - DET
Tony Sheffler (6'5) 1x TDs - DET
Anthony Fasasno (6'5) 2x TDs - MIA
Brandon Marshall (6'4) 1x TD - MIA
Eric Decker (6'4) 1x TD - DEN
Rob Gronkowski (6'5) 2x TD - NEW ENGLAND
Weslye Saunders (6'5) 1x TD - PITT

Outside of Santio Holmes, Denarius Moore, and Stevie Johnson the Chiefs Defense has given up all of their Touchdowns to 6'4+ TEs/WRs.

Dre Kirkpatrick , Mark Barron, and Sean Cattouse are names that the Chiefs need to look at in the Draft.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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Why not put this comment in the draft thread?

Lost Berry which there were several blown coverages in the following games
Fasasno had 1 big blown coverage by DJ
Decker, looked like Flowers pulled up due to a Hammy and without Berry we didnt have the speed to chase him down
Gronk is a beast(Ask any team) however 2 bad tackles led to those TDs

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

He wants everyone to see his post

I agree with what you said

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry ... I'm a newb

Used to posting in Fan Forums… trying to get the system down.

by Shackett on Jan 2, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

Your fine Its just lately a lot of people have been taking up FanPost section with draft and FA posts that could be in the threads

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Shackett, welcome to AP

and this would have been good in FanShots … esp with link(s)

but yeah, better to use the existing threads … we have one for the Draft and one for Free Agency and we generally do new threads for each every week … if and when you do hit one of those, please do REC it so it goes to the top of the list where everyone can find it easily

Draft Thread is here

Free Agency Thread is here

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd recommend just adding to the threads.

I don’t think FanShots get near the readership as FanPosts. So the best thing for Shackett would seem to be high-quality coms in pre-existing threads.

Like I do, only do it better, OK, Shackett?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

just like Prof Mills, only shorter ;-)

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Def...

Thanks for the welcome. I am a former sports writer and appreciate the hospitalityfrom some smart, KC fans.

by Shackett on Jan 2, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Prof Mills is smart, I'm just a fan :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Secondary did a great job on Gronk

It was DJ who had a couple of lapses that cost us in that game.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Lewis and Washington IIRC

Both missed tackles to save TDs

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The long TD which got the Pats off the mat was a blown coverage by DJ

Can’t remember the other TD.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 2, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but the TDs could have been saved

The big TD by Fasasno was on DJ as well

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Iirc DJ ran into somebody

Its happened a couple times this season, don’t know if that’s all on DJ

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 2, 2012 5:32 PM CST up reply actions  

To me, the flaw was in expecting DJ to run with the guy in the first place.

Hit him in the mouth at the line? Great. In fact, use an OLB for that, also, and blitz one or the other.

The LB’s true value in coverage is in getting a decent zone drop against a QB who’s hurrying his passes, because of the pressure you’ve brought on prior downs. That flash of color right when he’s about to uncork to the hot route that’s not there.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah seemed like Crennel fixed whatever the problem was

I noticed at least once a game early in the season something like that would happen, players running into each other tracking a motioning man across the LOS.

As for hitting the guy on the line, of he’s motioning away from you how can you do that?

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 2, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on if you're in man, or not, and that's part of the reason for the motion, in the first place.

If you’re locked on him, then you motion with him and meet the SOB at the line. Defenders in man coverage do that all the time, but what you DON’T see is them initiating contact at the line. I think the trickeration comes in if you motion with him, smack him at the line and then come after the QB, with a S waiting to pick him up, behind you, and preferably.

You could also have a “closest man” rule, where the OLB or somebody else on the motion side knows he’s supposed to hit the guy.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Jalil Brown

I thought he played a great game against Gronk. The first touchdown Gronk scored was on a blown coverage of DJ and the second was on a missed tackle from donald washington.

by michigan13 on Jan 2, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

CB?

You mean the CBs that shut down the Green Bay Packers aren’t good enough? We have alot of depth at CB and are fine then. And Barron is your solution for safety when you’re concerned about pass defense?

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM CST reply actions  

Also there's a draft thread for stuff like this.

Or fanshots.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

You're singin' my tune.

Dre Kirkpatrick is a good one. But you realize to get a sure-fire guy like Kirkpatrick, the Chiefs would probably have to trade up?

I think a BIG key is getting more speed on the back end, which Berry will likely provide. But also, I think Emmett Thomas and RAC need to re-visit their schemes. All schemes that entail free release at the line are vershizzle.

Against New England, KC came out pretty tough, playing physical man at the line. But they didn’t have an answer to the motioning TE, whom the Chiefs repeatedly let into the pattern untouched. I don’t want DJ or Justin Houston tracking a Gronkowski down the field, but the nearest LB ought to thump on the motion man, assuming there’s no DB in position to do the same.

I think one of the main reasons this is a QB’s league is because of defenses surrendering to the worst of their fears, and keeping people back, rather than stemming (disrupting) the WR and TE tide at the line of scrimmage. The better QBs in the league KNOW who got the free release, and that means they know where to place the ball, for either the unstoppable completion or the defensive holding or pass interference.

Manning’s done this for years. Brady’s done this for years. One of the reasons Welker’s been such a beast for so long is because nickel corners typically don’t come up and jam him. They’re so afraid of him, they make him scarier than the little pipsqueak really is. And half the time they come up they STILL don’t jam. It’s something pretty obvious, and it’s pointed out on shows like AFC Playbook about every other week, but DCs insist on sticking to their guns on the whole “abandon your guns” idea.

If you’re slower than the other guys down the field, then be as physical as legally possible in close, when you can still make it a physical contest.

KC has a potentially good one in Jalil Brown to perform that task in the secondary. I think Kendrick Lewis is fairly gifted in this regard, although you only rarely see it. The argument against this is that Lewis, in particular, would be likely to need help over the top. But the fact is, KC already spends the extra hats on deep help, and any time they fail to get good pressure up front, the deep help is going to be shown up by speedier WRs, ANYway. Anything you can do to slow down the WR/TE at the line is going to take away timing throws (or make them misfire), and will postpone the eventual breakdowns down the field.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

agree with all of this

except for your agreement with the poster. CB/Safety is NOT one of the highest needs on this team. The D is close. Still need better up front pressure and some better ILB help. But, I think the squad can be pretty damn good with better schemes like you are suggesting. The offense is what needs the most help. We are getting some really valuable pieces back next year but can add heavily to the OL to make a big difference. And, I think most of us have come later and sooner to the idea of QB improvement.

Caveat: My statement above assumes that Carr is re-signed. We still need to lock down Bowe and McClain as well imo.

CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal

by kabrink on Jan 2, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

agree w kabrink and mills

I think CB (along w DE and WR) is among the best position groups in terms of solid starters and depth.

I like how Arenas and Brown have shown improvement, and Daniels is good depth.

I agree that Berry makes a big difference, as he’s able to clean up the messes of others.

Clearly, depth at S is the biggest need on the defense… and one of the only places KC fields non-NFL calibur players (looking at you, Sabby)

Dealing with bigger WRs and TEs is a challenge for most teams, and KC more-so, with Flowers and Arenas being shorter than most.

But, assuming Carr stays, I don’t see the Chiefs throwing a high draft pick at a CB… they’ll continue to scheme around them, and hope another year of in-house development and the return of an all-world S will help

by stagdsp on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

agree with stag and kabrink and mills and ...

wait … what? :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree

Just had to be different.

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by TRSChief on Jan 3, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

That's fine, kabrink.

But if KC gets upgrade on OL in FA, I think that CB has a lot more importance, when they’re contending against the best. And perimeter D is the most pervasive advantage the better offenses in the league have over defenses.

There are guys coming along, like Jalil Brown, who may turn into something special. I don’t think Arenas solves their problems – problems most folks refuse to admit exist, but which smack me in the eyeballs week in and week out.

I do think they could use a more dominant NT, and Powe might bring that, next season. But I don’t see a NT worth taking up high; whereas, I do see definite 1st-round CB quality.

Further, I think this would redound to the benefit of the pass rush, because the Chiefs would be able to mix in a wider range of blitzes AND they would get more pressure off the 3- and 4-man pass rush, if the coverage would just hold up a little longer. We congratulate ourselves on our secondary, year in and year out, and yet, year in and year out, the better QBs slice and dice us down the field.

I don’t think you-all appreciate just how much Champ Bailey has done for a Denver D with significant holes. We talk about Rex Ryan’s defensive genius, without giving Revis credit for giving the bloviating fat man an extra player to play with on every single play, because he can just give Revis a nod, a wink, and a long-ass and uncalled-for speech, and play 10-on-10, when every other friggin’ team in the league is playing 9-on-10, because they need to give help outside.

Remember the jail-house blitzes during the Marty honeymoon seasons? It all flowed from man-to-man coverage outside. Spread us out with the extra wide? Are you crazy?

Do the simple arithmetic: 2 guys 20 yards off the ball at the snap. Puts you in 9-on-11 on EVERYTHING taking place within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. Now that’s FINE if your front 3 or 4 can manhandle their 5 or 6 or 7, but building that dominant front 3 or 4, IN DEPTH, is damn tough to put together, and even tougher to maintain. That’s why Seymour, Peppers, (Charles) Haley and Peters didn’t stick with the teams that were clever and lucky enough to draft them, not to mention the busts like McGlockton and O’Neal that were hung from King Carl’s neck.

Do you try to build a dominant d-line? Sure. Do the best you can, within reason, but somebody like Dre Kirkpatrick thrown on top of the KC secondary makes them absolutely beastly and unbelievably flexible. And the development time for a guy like that is much quicker than for an equally high DL pick.

Besides, if you end up with a surplus, you can always package up a trade for one of your older vets down the road, while they still have value. (stockpile picks). But I doubt ANY team is EVER gonna feel like they have a real surplus in the secondary in THIS pass-happy league. No. Give yourself one more 1-on-1 win down the field and have an extra blitzer to play with (or roll your coverage to one side, so the OTHER guys (safeties and LBs) can cover what remains more easily.

This doesn’t mean I’m closed-minded about chasing after DL and OL. It’s just that I’m open to the idea of attacking this thing from the back end, inasmuch as BOTH trenches and perimeter are more matchup-related than the other positions. A DL who demands the doubleteam has much the same effect as a DB who can single-up: Extra hats for other purposes.

A LB? Not so much. A RB? Not so much. But DB and DL are pretty much of equal value, in my book. I can make up for journeyman DL or DB by elite DB or DL. Ideally, you attack this thing from BOTH directions, but in Crennel’s (and Pioli’s) 3-4 scheming, they’re doing a lot of looking for DL where others are not, because of the role they expect them to play, and which the scheme will allow them to play, while still functioning. There’s a bias towards stout, towards letting the big men be big men, without worrying about whether the SOB can run a 4.3 40.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not "more importance."

I think that CB has a lot more importance

Just more importance than others perceive.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

when you think bang for your buck and impact skill position at pick 11 or 12. In fact

should I go to “fan shots” with this, I think the strategy is to use FA for O-line, and the draft for play makers. Face it, we have a pretty good cadre of “skill” positions but really need beef up front who can block in all facets of the game.

by dubld on Jan 2, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure it's an exclusive either-or situation. In fact, I doubt it is.

But I do think you want FA or 1st-rounder for instant starters, generally, especially if you’re talking O-Line.

Not sure what you mean by FanShot versus FanPost, here. I don’t save up my gems, just to see my name on either ‘Post or ’Shot. I just blurt it out, usually in an appropriate thread, of which there are PLENTY, or even inappropriately, when I’m tired or pleasantly sedated.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems like a bunch of censure from people not named Thorman about what

is or isn’t. Yeah, I ain’t here for my ego and seeing my name either. It’s all about the Chief’s.

by dubld on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM CST up reply actions  

haha, sorry to be a censor

but, it’s what we’re asked to do as editors/moderators

by stagdsp on Jan 3, 2012 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

THANKS for understanding Xs and Os

Outside of a Franchise QB, the most important part of an NFL Franchise is their passing down sub package

Teams are bringing in more 3 Wide, 1 TE (that is basically a WR), 1 small Back Offenses.

Berry plays a complicated role that involves him confusing the QB in pre-read and essentially spying on him like a Middle Linebacker while the rest of the team plays man.

IF we lose CARR then I think we should get a S/CB like Dre Kirkpatrick to line up with a Calvin Johnson. Even if we’re going to Double team the guy you still need size against these TE/WR Giants. It’s no different than basketball.

EVEN if we KEEP Carr the player would probably play 40% of the snaps.

The NT is pointless unless we’re playing LEGIT teams with running games. We’re going to be using more Sub Packages with our D Line the older some of younger depth players (Gordon , Bailey, Powe ) get.

by Shackett on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions  

agree...

The O’ can and will be the best help for our D. They played lights out for most of the games until they got behind a couple scores. Still, I’m never against taking a good cover guy. Just hope it’s in the later rounds if they do.

by 12t on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

A couple of these guys like Gronkowski, Scheffler, and Decker got TD's because of defensive miscues.

The biggest priority for the Chiefs on defense is once again at the NT and DE positions. Safety and Cornerback is just a matter of depth even though as far as cornerback goes Travis Daniels did step up last season in the game Flowers’s missed, and has been covering tight ends since about a little past midway this season.

by KC_Chiefs on Jan 2, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

This is my opinion

If the QB is on his a$$ you don’t have to worry about it. IMHO our secondary is one of our strong points, we just need quality depth at Safety. NT has to be the biggest question in my mind and is my biggest concern, followed closely by SILB. We have several players that could step up at SILB, Siler looked pretty good and Miller wasn’’t looking to bad either before they were injured, so we might have that guy on the roster already. The same thing could be said for the NT position, is Powe our guy for the future. I don’t have a clue with Powe and why he didn’t get more playing time, too many question marks at the NT position for me, and K.Gregg well he’s stop gap at this point. A NT should be taken with the 2nd or 3rd pick.

I just hope we draft a couple of O-LINE guys to protect who ever is QB. We know Cassel or Orton can be effective with time in the pocket, so IMHO the o-line should be #1 on the priority list. Then add depth at TE / RB / S / NT / SILB in no certain order.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 2, 2012 4:54 PM CST reply actions  

Powe

i think he didnt see the field much for 2 reasons;
#1 a numbers game: to be active on game day as a backup, it’s clear that you need to play DE and NT… so with Gregg as the starter, there just wasnt a need for another pure NT, especially considering that KC was n the nicklel a LOT, so even Gregg didnt get THAT many snaps

  1. it seems like the Chiefs want to give him time to develop his technique and physique.

i believe Powe can ad will be the starter at NT, and that the Chiefs wont draft a NT early

by stagdsp on Jan 2, 2012 5:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Ya don't want it too easy do ya

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Secondary is definitely improved over 2009.

And Carr took another couple steps forward in 2010-2011.

And while I generally like the way RAC has schemed things, it’s a compromise scheme, designed to protect the D from its inability to match up. Kinda like the compromises they’ve made on offense, because of key weaknesses, only not as bad as it was on offense.

Through all these discussions, though, it’s more than a matter of throwing high picks at the position of greatest perceived need. It’s about getting VALUE that improves the team’s chances of winning in the postseason. It’s a balancing act, and I’m just trying to throw a few weights on the DB side of the scale, because I think folks are a little too complacent about the secondary.

Everyone forgets the BLOWOUTS KC suffered this season. Sure, they’d’ve done better with more offense, but the fact was that the better passing teams took about one quarter, maybe two quarters, to figure out that they OWNED us down the field. And yes, Eric Berry will likely make a big difference, there, but until I see him take Brandon Marshall out of a game in 1-on-1 coverage, I’d say there’s room for improvement in the secondary.

Everyone sees the TE matchup problem, but nobody seems to realize that singling up one more wideout and bringing up one more safety is going to give them as much or more help as a LB/S ‘tweener everyone wants to single-up the TE. Fact is, you can’t double EVERYbody, and the best you can do is single up as often and as well as possible.

Why do you think those TEs give us so much trouble? Well, for starters, when KC faces the better receiving groups, they tend to let EVERYbody off the line untouched, and hope and pray that their LBs don’t bite too hard on the play fake, so they can play zone with an entire cast of mismatched defenders.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

And with those LBs in "neither-fish-nor-fowl" territory,

they weaken their run defense AND provide QBs with big holes in the middle of the field to throw to.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

fair 'nuff ... so, we got Flowers, Carr (in theory), Lewis, Berry ... Arenas (Nickel) and DWash or someone else (Dime)

good enough? add depth? and what have you got against Gold-Plated Linebackers? damn you, Prof … what, you want the Plantinum Edition?

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Rhenium is more rare and less well-known. I'll take the Rhenium edition.

Flowers and Arenas lack height. Lewis isn’t super-fast. DWash still needs to grow a brain. Brown is a rookie. I say you’re not done until DWash or Brown emerge, especially in case they don’t emerge.

I just think if you’re spending big ($$$ or draft) on ILB, you’re looking for Mr. Goodbar, when it’d be so much better if your secondary flat-out needed less help from the LBs. That doesn’t mean taking LBs out of coverage entirely (though mostly, imo), but the more speed there is on the back end, the less area and time the LBs NEED to cover. You DON’T want to see Studebaker locked in man coverage 20 yard down the field against RBs and TEs, and if you NEED him for that, you’re doing it wrong. That’s what I’m sayin’.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions  

agree, but the over the top safety coverage was slow way to much and our CB's got

burned. There is no question we need another, faster safety without regards to Eric Berry. He can only cove 1 CB at a time.

by dubld on Jan 2, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Or what about one more, better CB, who can lock somebody down, 1-on-1?

He doesn’t even have to lock down the opponent’s #1, if he’s one of 2 or 3 guys who can lock down SOMEbody, leaving everybody else to worry about the one guy nobody can lock down (like Megatron).

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree about Carr.

He’s getting his head around now and usually if a pass is completed his way, it’s closely contested. As to the depth at DB we think we have Arenas has improved some and J.Brown is coming around, but like you say it would hurt to keep trying to upgrade the depth. At S we need to address this position with some quality depth, but K.Lewis who I had some concerns about has really improved his game, he still whiffs sometimes on tackles and gets caught out of position sometimes, but with Berry back next year I’m really excited about our secondary. Need to get B.Carr signed.
On the Crennel subject I agree again, but I think we see a different approach next year with Berry back and the rookies with a year under their belts. With Berry healthy I think we see alot more of the man coverage and more blitzing now that Houston is playing pretty good football. I think we’ll have a solid defense next year and it’s potential with a upgrade at NT and the SILB position is top 10 IMHO.
I hate it when we play off the line and really I hate zone coverage. If your rushing 3 and you can’t get any pressure with them it’s a bad game plan. I like a more aggressive defense and man coverage, if the QBs getting hit all day or on his butt that’s a win win situation.

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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 3, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get it...

How deep did we go this year at safety? This was the most improved bunch on the field. I agree with the rest of the picks, but I’d place S last in areas of need. On the other hand, it always comes down to who’s available at draft time.

by 12t on Jan 3, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Sabby, Washington, McGraw, Langford.. those are players that make S last in area of need?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

No...

Berry does. Safety play was the most improved area on the team this year considering his loss. Our first 3-4 picks could/should see a lot of playing time. Granted, you can’t count on players ever coming back from a major injury, but I’d rather get some insurance for Charles first than worry about a D that played pretty darn good.On the other hand, they could go FA shopping.

by 12t on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand, Berry is coming off of bad injury

We also ran a lot of 3 safety sets, when we had the players to actually run it, I would not be upset with a FS picked in the 2nd round or later

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 4, 2012 6:01 AM CST up reply actions  

CB

is our strength if we do resign carr.

We have the luxury of trotting out carr, flowers, arenas, brown, daniels

and our starting safeties are best in the league with lewis and berry
mcgraw langford and washington are iffy players but the five arent bad at all

by andrew33 on Jan 2, 2012 6:28 PM CST reply actions  

McGraw has lost several steps ... reminds me of Vrabel, relies on his smarts more than anything

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Arenas – still developing. Unsure of ceiling, although you’re pretty sure he’s not bumping his head against the door frame.
Brown – still developing. Unsure of ceiling.
Daniels – decent journeyman.

“Not bad” is like saying your dog usually comes when you call. He won’t come right when it’s most urgent that he do so.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to go back and see...

how many big plays we actually gave up in the last 8 games. no I’m not…but I can’t recall many. Seems like a bunch of 7-8 yard runs over the left T position (D). My dogs recall “ain’t good”. It never comes when I want it to.I’d be happy with not bad.

by 12t on Jan 3, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I got to eat my hat regarding Kendrick Lewis, as I've been skeptical of his abilities,

especially regarding taking McGraw’s position as back-up/specialist. Lewis has played much better this last couple of games, especially with his tackling and could see him staying in McGraw’s spot. Still, all in all, he is to slow to be a starter in the NFL.

by dubld on Jan 2, 2012 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

Staying in McGraw's spot?

He started all 16 games this year if I recall and began starting last year as well.

by Steve_in_RI on Jan 2, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Very high football IQ in Lewis.

If he had elite speed, he’d be elite. Supported by elite corners and elite speed, he’s more than going to hold up his end.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

He is absolutely upgradeable

as we should always be looking to get better. But I took your original post as he was only playing because Berry and McGraw were hurt which was not the case. I think he grew up a ton on the job this year without Berry and while I’m sure there are better players out there, I don’t see him as a issue right now.

by Steve_in_RI on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Sub Package

Even with Berry healthy ….McGraw sees the field more than any Sub-Player on the team.
The Chiefs run 3 Safeties as much as they run the traditional 3-4 package. They try to blurr their scheme by having the QB believe that 2 Safeties are in the box at all times (even when their might be just 1).

Berry is the Closest Safety in for Run Support. McGraw is there to cover a tight end. DJ covers 2nd TE/FB. Houston Rushes.

by Shackett on Jan 3, 2012 2:07 AM CST up reply actions  

If you think by %

The Chiefs drafting or signing a BIG NAME Nose Tackle probably isn’t likely.
Although it sounds negative, a 2 Down Nose Tackle is really all they need.

And in terms of Inside Linebacker the Chiefs already have Belcher and Siler. Granted, neither bring too much to the pass rush…. Belcher is rarely on the field in our specialty Blitz packages.

by Shackett on Jan 3, 2012 2:10 AM CST up reply actions  

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