2012 NFL Draft Order: Kansas City Chiefs Will Pick No. 11 Or No. 12 Overall
by Chris Thorman on Jan 2, 2012 9:02 AM CST
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PrintThe Kansas City Chiefs ended the 2011 NFL season tied with the Seattle Seahawks with a 7-9 record. Every single tie breaker was exhausted except for the 'ole coin flip. That means that the Chiefs will pick either 11th or 12th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. Here's the rest of the 2012 NFL draft order.
This happened to the Chiefs and Atlanta Falcons in 2008. The Chiefs lost that coin flip in late February, giving the Falcons the No. 3 pick and the Chiefs the No. 4 pick.
Now that we're officially in draft mode at AP, here's what SB Nation's Ryan Van Bibber has the Chiefs doing in his latest 2012 NFL mock draft, posted this morning:
12. Kansas City Chiefs, Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel or a player to be named later, none of them would find ideal working conditions behind the Chiefs' current offensive line. Reiff can play either tackle spot, and he will help Jamaal Charles in the run game.
We have a number of strategies to deal with the flood of draft posts we get, which I'll be updating you on later. But for now, thoughts on a first round tackle? I never like those.
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Up until this year I was against going OL in the first
This year I think it’s necessary. Lilja is ok but can be upgraded and RT needs to be upgraded. We need to draft a T and sign a guard or vice versa.
Agreed. Need to fill the O-line desperately.
I wonder if Pioli will open up the pocket books a bit seeing how close the team can be to competing….
I haven’t seen anything special in the free agent OTs, but there are two OGs I hope he makes a great effort to sign if they aren’t re-signed soon: Carl Nicks and Ben Grubbs. I’m intrigued my DeCastro, but if we could sign one of these two guys and draft Martin, our line would most likely be set, with the exception of depth.
Albert-Nicks-Hudson-Asamoah-Martin or
Albert-Grubbs-Hudson-Asamoah-Martin
definitely an improvement over
Albert-Lilja-Wiegmann-Asamoah-Richardson.
I really like many of the moving parts of the D-line, but we really need somebody who can penetrate. Our D seemed engulfed by Denver’s O-line (though Denver did hold like crazy), and seemingly many other offensive lines this year.
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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
I think this year Pioli is gonna make some moves
He saw what the lack of depth did to the team this year. Our d-line did that they were supposed to against Den, they stood up the line and clogged the area up. Our S’s didn’t come up and clean up the run and Belcher got caught up in the mix. Berry fixes most of that single handedly.
Our DL stood up? Yeah they stood up and allowed Denver's running game to gash
us for well over a hundred yards. Sorry, but I saw just too many holes easily being opened up as well as lack of consistent pass rush. Dorsey and TJ just are not hacking the program IMHO. Gregg needs to retire.
While we need to draft an OL in the first round, our DL needs some serious help as well.
We also were sending OLBs to contain Tebow, not purely rush
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
Yup.. That combined with tighter coverage helped. Even though there were a few
times WRs were open, Tebow just didn’t have the confidence to throw it coming off his horrid performance against Buffalo the week before.
Our defense is pretty solid, but still could infuse some different talent since we will be sticking with the 3-4 most likely.
I wanted to see Bailey at RDE instead of Dorsey
I think Tjax is fine, but NT will need to find another body
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Whose #99? Is that Booker or something like that? Can't remember
but seems like whenever he’s in, he’s a monster.. So much more than Dorsey
Gordon
Hasn’t had too many snaps at NT I believe, but has looked good at DE. Not a long term solution, but I think Bailey has the tools(his use of leverage has gotten much better this year) to be able to make an impact out of RDE, due to all the 1 on 1s that Dorsey has received due to attention given to Hali
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
Gordon.. Thanks.. Thats it. Not sure where I got Booker.. Just seems to me
that our DL is better when Dorsey is not there. Maybe its just me.
Dorsey has regressed this year IMO
Not sure if its an injury or if Tjax’s improvement has put the spotlight back on Dorsey
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
I lean towards injury
He’s become a bit of a liability against the run, especially when Hali is on his side.
When Houston and Jackson are on the same side, teams rarely run at them. And when they do, they seem to get stuffed.
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Gordon is way better in this defense than Dorsey
I think Dorsey should be traded. Didn’t think that ever until this year either
that's how i mocked my off-season
I think Dorsey should be traded
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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Same for me
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The lack of pass rush was by design
If you over-rush upfield it lets Tebow run all over you. It was a contain defense all day, not an attack defense. TJ is our best d-lineman so your opinion is off base.
I don't disagree with the game plan, however there were numerous times I saw TJ
being manhandled by on guy during the pass rush. Are you saying he was just holding his ground to corral Tebow?
By design TJ doesn't rush the passer ever
TJ’s job is to stand up lineman, control his 2 gams, and let LB’s make plays. Thats pretty much it and he does it very well.
I thought gams sounded better anyways
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
would you trade up to draft Kalil at LT?
Kalil/Albert/Hudson/Asamoah/Richardson(For now)
by Mitul V. Patel on Jan 2, 2012 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
Reiff's a good player
And can play either guard position as well as either tackle spot. Would be a solid pick and he can be plugged in at RT immediately.
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Taking a G/RT with the 11 or 12 pick is kind of a waste imo
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Not if he's a good lineman
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He won't be playing guard.
From what I’ve read he can play either tackle spot.
Like it
It is a disguised blessing financially being JUST outside the top 10.
I hope that we keep keep kyle. If that means Matt is expendable, we will have cap space or trade bate to move up and grab higher talent…I think shoring up the O-line, finding the NEXT Tony G, and getting our D-backfield healthy will make for a VERRRY competitive team next season. However they go, I look for much progress
Kyle Orton all but said he's leaving
Other than that, I agree with what you said. If they seriously upgrade both sides of the line, they clearly, by a long shot are the most talented team in the division. It’s not even close.
Considering they lost Charles, Berry, Moaeki, Cassel, two HC’s, used three QB’s, four games with Palko, and inept offensive coaching staff and still finished 7-9 is amazing.
Hey Tebow, which god is helping you win? Apollo, Ares, Atena, Demeter, Kronos, Zeus, Brahma, Ganesha, Gauri, Hanuman, etc.? Shut up, play and lose.
considering that's about what I expected out of this team before all of those injuries
I’d have to agree.
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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Guess I missed this..
Kyle Orton all but said he’s leaving
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 2, 2012 9:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Source on Orton leaving?
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that's how I read it, too, Kayla
The source is Kyle Orton.
“I don’t know,” Orton said when asked whether he thought he would return next season. “I’m going to step away. I know they’ve got a great quarterback in Matt Cassel. Matt’s a good friend, he’s a great teammate, and he’s a great quarterback. As I look at it, it’s his team. We’ll see what happens.”
Plus this:
"I thank the Chiefs for giving me an opportunity to get a fresh start. I really enjoyed playing with those guys in the locker room. I think they’ve got a solid group of character guys. I appreciate them letting me come in and be a part of the team and finish this season on a strong note."
If he had once said “us” instead of “them,” maybe he’s thinking about a future with the Chiefs. This makes it sound otherwise.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
In that particular mock draft...
I believe I’d take Trent Richardson, since he’s still there.
Can you imagine having TR and Jamaal Charles?
I doubt we’ll have the chance when the real draft rolls around.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
1st round RB is not worth it
Not when the Oline is a much much bigger need.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
Don't know about that...
I’d take a “Steven Jackson clone” in the first round.
Especially if we’re going to keep Cassel as our QB.
But…O-line is a huge need. No argument there.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
With a good Oline RBs are plug and play
Like Foster. Hell Holmes/Davis/etc, just have to find a guy to fit the system(Pierce/Ganaway/Martin can all be had later) if you have the Oline.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Steven Jackson sure is doing a great job making the Rams unstoppable. What do you think the odds are that he'll win SB MVP this year?
BAMF isn’t arguing against his talent. The argument is at least three-fold:
1) longevity of a running back.
2) the ability to pick up useful running backs throughout the draft (and even in UDFA)
3) the much greater importance of real needs on the team.
I’d add the plethora of free agent running backs as well.
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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
What he said...
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I get that...
But, I’d just as soon try to shore up the O-line through Free Agency. (Not that Pioli has done a bang-up job with that so far, mind you.)
By the time RB’s hit the Free Agent market, their best years are usually behind them.
And no…I wouldn’t bet that Steven Jackson will win the Super Bowl MVP this year. But, I’d bet that any playoff team would welcome his abilities on their team. Yes, one great RB does not make a great team. In this case, the Rams. But, we’re a lot better team than the Rams.
Richardson. Charles. A couple of Free Agent O-lineman. With the WR’s we already have? It would go a long way towards making our Offense relevant again. Oh, and a good QB would help too.
Just an opinion…not “the gospel”.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Oline giving bigger holes to RBs will help a ton as well
Charles did a LOT out of nothing last year. That was made perfectly clear this year, with Lilja aging and slowing, BRich needing replaced the last 2 years, and Casey likely retiring.. is RB still a good pick in the first?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
"Charles did a LOT out of nothing last year."
Exactly. And I’m guessing a “bruiser” like Richardson could, as well.
Hudson will replace Casey. And yes, B-Rich MUST go. Depth. We need it badly.
I’ll stand by what I’ve been saying. I don’t see how to go too far wrong with taking easily the best Running Back in the draft. It likely won’t matter, though. I don’t see Richardson even being there when we pick.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Cause a ''bruiser'' like Jones/McClain/Battle did so much this year?
Hell I would take Miller before Richardson, I see him fitting better in our ZBS
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
McClain is past his prime. Jones is WAY past his prime. And Battle is a back-up at best.
Not exactly along the same lines as a young stud coming out of college.
I’ll just agree to disagree. But, I’d be willing to bet that Richardson is a great back in this league for years to come.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
McClain is not really passed his prime
Jones is passed being able to outrun guys, but still has power in his legs. Fact is we have not been able to open up big enough holes for them all year long, Charles was able to squeak through those small holes or bounce it to the outside.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
McClain isn't anywhere near passed his prime. I think he's like only
27 years old and could still be very effective. I hope they resign him. He was a good addition.
McClain did a nice job this year...
In his role. I won’t argue that. And I hope we re-sign him, too.
But, do I want him as our #2…or our “feature back” if Charles goes out again? Ummm…no.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
He is a FB first, he is not our #2
What about Pierce? Ganaway? Martin?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
I'm perfectly comfortable with Battle/Dex/McClain as JC's complements
Especially if we address LG and put Hudson in at C.
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And respect your opinion, but OL is the first and foremost need on this team IMHO
The offense has so many problems. I believe we have the RB and receiving talent. Where we are hurting is:
1) OL
2) QB
3) OC
Two of those can be addressed. The QB issue is the major one that we may just have to live with medicore talent at best.
Where?
Outside of Jamaal…where is it that you see RB talent on our team?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I think if we can resign McClean it will help, and Battle I think proved he
can be effective, which I never thought I would say.
Again, not necessarily arguing against another RB, but OL is the most glaring need on the team right now. And that talent is there in the 1st round
Dex averaged 4.5 / carry on the year
And was absolutely pivotal in a couple of our wins. Problem has been using him well – which they’ve finally shown occasional signs of doing.
With JC as a primary option and Dex as a secondary – a good downhill runner (be it Battle, McClain, whoever) makes a trio that more than handles the workload.
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We were in the top half of the league in rushing
Despite losing our best RB by a long shot and having a line that doesn’t block well for the style that Battle runs.
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What, in carries?
We were in the top half of the league in rushing
That’s pretty impressive with so many three and outs.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Nope, in YPG
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Like an automobile:
A big powerfull engine does little good if one or two tires are not balanced, out of round or have cuts and flaws. A solid line can’t perform at its peak with any part ready to blow out at any minute. One badly vibrating tire prevents high speed performance no matter how many Horsepower are under the hood.
A quality spare is also essential.
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I'd be happy picking Trent Richardson if we trade back and can still get him
He has as complete a game (running, blocking, pass-catching) as you’ll find in a collegiate RB, and he’s obviously physically built to contribute right away and for a long time. He can be extremely effective right away if Charles doesn’t come back as good as he was.
That said, overall I’d rather have another pass-rusher, true 3-4 DE to replace Dorsey or G/T as I believe it would improve the team more overall.
I would love this... I know we need OL help but we can address this in mid rounds or even go with FA to hold over for a few years.
When JC went down so did our run game. Pioli clearly had to see the lack of dept at key positions this year and this would most likely give the chiefs the best running game in the league( look at houston, 2 rbs over 1,000 yrds) if we are seriously considering letting cassel go again this is the only thing that can save him.
by Jeremy Daniel on Jan 4, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Personally I would go Martin over Reiff as I see he has a higher upside as LT
Need more coffee :/
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
How do you figure
Reiff is much more physical and wears his defenders down
Martin is a finesse tackle and he gets manhandled by guys coming off fast off the line Ex: Perry of USC crushed Martin
I don't see Reiff being able to handle LT that well
He is more physical but I see him late off the snap with shallow kickslides when facing a good speed rusher.. don’t want that on the blindside.
Martin needs to strengthen up his lower body to better handle the bullrush but IMO he has the better kick and hand placement to where he could be LT
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
I see both Reiff and Martin as very athletic OTs.
Both suffer a little in straight ahead power blocking. Both have good enough feet to allow them to get things done at the next level. (Although neither has real fast straight ahead speed.) Both are very adept at pass protection using finnesse, feet , hands, balance and techniques. Either would be an improvement at RT. Martin may have more initial success if used at LT but Reiff has potential to grow into the LT spot as well. Either would be well suited for a ZBS like the Chiefs with more overall upside than any OT now on the team.
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Very nice info thanks
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Point was either would be a good choice at #11 or #12 in draft.
….or…..OG DeCastro not bad either. then take a solid OT in 3rd (Datko, Mosely, Potter).
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Yeah I always am looking for more opinions on OTs
I don’t like watching them haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
OT,G,C ?
i think alot of if we draft a OT will depend on if pioli picks one up in FA. do we leave hudson at OG and pick up a center in FA or what. or do we pick up a RT in FA,move hudson to center and draft a OG?
Who knows what pioli will do, just hope he does something because we sure dont have a top QB on our roster. to many holes on the offensive side of the ball.
I don't see a ton of holes on the offense
Lot of “ifs” here, but if Moeaki and Charles come back healthy, and Bowe is resigned, the only glaring holes are at RT & QB. The rest is about depth and where Pioli and co see Hudson fitting in. He was serviceable as a rookie C who never played the position and has a high ceiling there.
by mushin on Jan 2, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The holes on the Offense are
RB, TE, OT, G/C, QB. We will probably have 3 possibly 4 player/position moves on the OL. We need 2 TEs, and another RB. We just had the worse offensive season in our history…we have a ton of holes.
Agreed
Outside Charles we don’t have a great run threat . Outside moe we have pope who is ok at best . We defiantly need olive . I would even thrown in another WR as depth . Without Bowe we couldnt move yesterday . I wish we got a QB , I don’t see it this year tho :/
by chiefsman! on Jan 2, 2012 9:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't see a QB either.
Though we will take one in the later rounds. I think we can find a 4th and 5th WR in FA as they won’t cost that much on the market. The one thing I would do is hire a coach who can coach and develop QBs. I don’t think it’s a surprise that certain teams always are developing QBs…
Outside Charles we don’t have a great run threat
And outside of Brady NE doesn’t have a great passing threat :)
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Tough to say with Mallet there.. he has skills
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Battle and Dex are more proven at RB
Than Mallet is at QB.
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Cassel has shown what that system can do for QBs
IMO it’s safe to say that if Brady went down Mallet could step in fairly well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
Could be
Or he could suck horribly. There’s just no way of telling until he sees some action.
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I would, we only need 2 new starters
OG or OC depending where the staff places Hudson
RT
Nicks or Grubbs in FA could solve OG
Reiff/Martin/Sanders/etc could solve RT
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
You know
we won’t overpay in FA for Nicks or Grubbs and with the new CBA, there is more money for veterans. We need a new LG, C, RT, and you know I wouldn’t complain about a new LT. A lot of the pieces are here. I wouldn’t mind either of the following scenarios.
Draft Martin and I imagine our OL would be Albert/FA/Hudson/Asamoah/Martin
Draft Decastro and our OL would be Albert/DeCastro/Hudson/Asamoah/FA
Trade out and draft Sanders and our OL would be Sanders/Albert/Hudson/Asamoah/FA
I think the last one makes our team the strongest.
Why
would we move albert when sanders is drafted?
Then just draft Reiff, sanders is another finesse LT.
What is with chief’s fans love for finesse LTs… Reiff is much more dominant and I would honestly rather have Albert than Sanders at LT
I don't think Reiff is a LT
either is Martin…I really like Sanders cuz of his long arms, footwork, and he’s a good athlete. I think Albert could be an elite LG and we would have a dominate interior OL….LTs need to be able to get in front of speed rushing DE and OLB, so I like the athletic strong footwork guys with long arms…like DBrick.
So.. because we HAVE to get up to the cap floor soon.. we won't spend the money? Makes sense.
I don’t see Grubbs getting a huge deal either
Albert-Grubbs/Nicks-Hudson-Asamoah-Martin/Reiff/Sanders
Hmm I’ll take mine ;)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Well
we are going to hopefully spend money on Carr and Bowe, so I’m not sure how much money we will have left. I’m also assuming we are going to sign McClain, a TE, OL, S…so I’m just going with Pioli’s MO of cheaper veterans instead of big splashes. Obviously the difference is you love Albert, I do not.
I don't love Albert, I see him as a good enough LT
Nor do I see a replacement beyond possibly Kalil in this draft/FA, so I’m not even looking in that direction.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
right, that's why we need DeCastro
(huge grin)
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Hmmm
Did you find the new ’Spoon?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
better: the new Sherrod! :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hmm... given how Sherrod has panned out...
Maybe I need to avoid championing any pick you want this badly :)
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I put
DeCastro in my scenario…I like the Sanders scenario better cuz I think it improves our OL and gives us extra picks.
understand your reasoning, I just have a prefernce for "best available at PON" as opposed to "more warm bodies"
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I just care
about adding better players….if we don’t make the Baldwin trade we don’t get Houston…he is more of a warm body….Albert would be a better LG then DeCastro
I see LT's primary role as Pass Protector.
Either Reiff or Martin have great athletic ability and good feet. Either would be a good fit in ZBS at either LT or RT. Either could step in now at RT and maybe LT so Alberts could move to OG.
If Hudson moves into OG spot we need a front line (IMO larger)Center. If Hudson moves to Center full time we still need a Backup Center.
In any case I would prefer a Bigger OG in the interior.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
But would any of the rooks
Be a better LT than Albert?
We’re not gonna get the best LT in the draft, or maybe even the 2nd best…
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I guess I just see him as a better LG and Sanders has a
high ceiling at LT…but yes Kalil is the only sure fire replacement at LT in this draft.
Sanders does have LT upside, but would not beat Albert out at LT in his rookie camp
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Nobody can
say that and be certain. I just see it as, could beat out Albert, if not he is our RT and we get an extra pick….which we all know is important to Pioli.
I've watched quite a few of his games, he looked impressive at LT this year when Datko went down
However I can say for certain he would not beat out Albert at LT for a few years
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
and in 2 years
Albert will be a FA we probably won’t pay
I think we will
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
This year's offseason
will provide us all wit a lot of answers.
So true
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
I like the first scenario of we get one of the "big 2" FA guards
I like the 2nd if we don’t. DeCastro’s an animal, and him/Hudson/Asamoah could set us up for years and years.
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Could go QB first 3 rounds as well
I wouldn’t be mad
by mushin on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If they don't resign Orton I feel like this is almost a lock to happen
They won’t keep Palko and we’re not set at that position well enough to carry two like some teams. My guess is Foles or Moore.
One of Martin or Reiff seems like a lock.
For the first time that I can remember, the Chiefs are really set as far as starters go at most positions, and QB probably won’t be an option at 11/12. I really hope we simply nab a OT and then look to add depth with the rest of the draft.
I'd not mind OG DeCastro in 1st if we got OT like.....
Datko, Mosely or Potter in 3rd maybe…. McCants, Adcock or Bergstrom in 4th…….Reynolds, Swartz, Zusevics in 5th.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
My thoughts exactly.
Reiff or Martin in the first. I’d like a TE, G, ILB, S, DL in some order after that. Maybe even another QB depending on what they decide to do with Orton and Cassel.
we had the 5th pick in 2008
Thats where we snagged Dorsey.
It was a 3 way tie with Atl, KC, Oak…
Atl took Matt Ryan #3, Oak took McFadden, we took Glen.
This is another good argument for not taking a RB in the first
As mediocre as Dorsey has been, I’d say he’s done more to help the Chiefs than injury-prone McFadden has done to help the Raiders. (No question McFadden is a far better player when he’s healthy)
RB is just a position too likely to get injured to use a 1st round pick on.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 2, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
We can get a great Complimentary RB in later rounds like possible choices:
2nd round: Polk (Wash), Ball (Wisc)
3rd round: Pierce (Temp), Pead (Cinc)
4th round: Gray (aTm), Herron (OSU)
5th round: Ganaway (BU), Ballard (MsSt)
6th round: Meggett (MD), Bolden (MS)
7th round: Rainey (W. Kty), Tyler (USC)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I'd take Ganaway in the 5th without a second thought
Also, DeCastro > Reiff. If we can’t trade up to get RG3 then we’d be better off drafting a replacement for Lilja and look for RT help in free agency imo.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Pierce!
AND Ganaway.. double dip!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
The only position we really are needing a top player is QB
Our O-line isn’t nearly as bad as people think. You don’t have to have all top picks. A RT can be found anywhere in the draft. Not a highly skilled position.
We need another RB (probably 2) and a RT, but both of those can be picked up in later rounds. We need another backup Safety or two.
I know we aren’t likely to be in a position to draft a top QB, but its kind of sad that the most important position on our team is the last to be addressed.
Actually the whole Oline is becoming more and more important
Dlinemen are getting more and more athletic, and with how some teams bring heat from every angle you need a RT that can protect the QB, same with the interior.. guys like Ngata/Suh even Ragi are becoming more common the interior guys have to be able to hold up
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
The O-line has ALWAYS been important
You have to find good players. But it doesn’t require top half of the 1st round talent.
Some positions its more important to get top talent. QB, pass rusher, etc.
Other positions, you’re chances of finding a good player in later rounds is much much higher. O-line is one of them.
You have a good chance of grooming later round interior Olinemen
Not so much of an instant starter.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Pass rushers early?
Ummm not with so many teams going 3-4 nowadays. Those guys are a crapshoot.
b rich drops entire line 2 letter grades
if he’s not fanning, he’s holding. if we can find a big kid who’s not a moron in mid rounds I’m all for it.
Trade up
RG3.. If not Trent Richardson if he is there.
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Jan 2, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Draft value chart shows that to trade from 11th to 4th would cost a 2nd, 5th plus a 6th.
If RGlll were available that would be a good move with right trade partner.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
RGIII
Indy isn’t saying they will go Luck yet, but let’s assume they do. St. Louis is likely to grab OT Kalil from USC. With Minnesota picking 3, someone is going to trade up for RGIII. What will it take for KC to get there from 11/12?
indy
Said they will pick luck.
They also said that if St. Louis got the 1st , and they got the 2nd that they would pick RG3
by chiefnation on Jan 2, 2012 9:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
STL has too many needs
Yeah, Kalil would be big for them, but they aren’t going to let Minny get that bounty of picks, they’ll want it themselves.
QB’s go #1 and #2, imo.
Probably right
In that event, we DO have a commodity in Dorsey that we can offer, in addition to picks.
That gives us an edge on teams that are only offering picks.
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I know it's been said
but we are a couple of OL tweaks from being a very good offensive team.
Forget getting a RB. I mean no disrespect to Priest Holmes, but it wasn’t that he, LJ and Blaylock were that awesome, it was the great line in front of them. A great line can even make Cassel look good.
Idc if we spend our whole draft on the OL. The NFL is offense. It’s time we join the party.
Re-sign our FA's
Spend our first and second rounder on OL.
Sign a NTand maybe a SILB in FA.
And we’re done.
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this.
if we keep orton. guess I can blame some of cassel on Haley, but orton actually had some accuracy downfield.
I started thinking?
I have been screaming for us to trade up for
RG3 but if we’re going to trade up we might as well go all the way with it and trade for the 1st pick in the draft, if it takes 2 first rounds 2 second rounds plus throw in cassel. I say let’s do it! Yes it is giving up a lot but look at what we would get a franchise QB, something we haven’t had since Montana.so if we had the 1 st pick I would say let’s draft Andrew Luck and pick up our other needs in free agency!!
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure I like that idea
Giving up a lot when no matter what QB is behind center they are going to have issues due to the Oline. If we get a FA guard like Nicks/Grubbs, then swap firsts+Bowe+future second or something along those lines.. yeah I wouldn’t mind. However I would not give up the future
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
I see Pioli trading out
For someone to move up to take Richardson or and OL. I wouldn’t mind us taking Donta Hightower or Vontez Burfict. That would give us a sick nasty lbing core
by Huston09 on Jan 2, 2012 10:12 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No to Burfict in the first
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i didnt know if he was a 1st or 2nd rd grade
I just know I like the way he plays and would do well with DJ in the middle.
by Huston09 on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not sure where he will be chosen
He looked horrible all year, I was expecting a lot more out of him.. I’m staying away unless he is in the third like Houston/Spikes
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
the most important thing about this offseason
Is resigning our fa. The draft won’t even matter if we don’t resign Bowe, Carr and Leron.
by Huston09 on Jan 2, 2012 10:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No mention of Gilberry/Orton?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
both of these guys
are expendable to me.
by thegrisdaddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Until we get a QB as good as Orton
He’s not even close to expendable.
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While it would be nice to bring back McClain...
it’s not really a huge blow if they don’t.
Burfict?
He is not even valuable enough to his team to play on all important downs. He was pulled for many plays in his bowl game. Really dropped in value this year.
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Sounds like we should swoop in and get him
He’s a hard worker and extremely athletic. I’d be happy if we traded down a couple times and grabbed Burfict to pair with DJ. You can’t have enough stud LBs in a 3-4.
As far as his performance this year, ASU’s coaching staff got canned and I trust Romeo to develop just about anyone.
Yeah.. cause ASU's coaching staff is what set Burfict off his whole career...
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
He was rated very highly before this season and to start this season.
I’m not really sure what your sentence means.
Burfict can not control himself on or off the field
He does not even PLAY that well when you actually watch him. He has potential and that is why he was rated so high, he regressed this year not only in terms of play on the field but still is not able to get himself under control. Uncalled penalties on the field, fights in the locker room, not good in coverage, no moves other than pure strength to get off of blocks, bites on almost every play fake, etc.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I hadn't read about the off field incidents
That is disappointing. I don’t wholly agree with your analysis based on the games I’ve seen but I agree he wouldn’t be a good first round pick.
That said, it sounds like he might drop into a much later round, at which point we’ll have to decide if his attitude is decent enough that we could coach him into a good LB (like the Steelers would).
I wouldn't look at him in the first, or second
Third is a possibility, there is potential.. just not sure if he is all there in the head
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
the extension of Siler
would put lb lower on the need list.
by thegrisdaddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I dunno
We have no idea if he’d have even beaten out Belcher.
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Cassel/Orton
After dogging Cassel for the last three months, watching Orton wasn’t so much better. Both of these guys are caretakers. Not sure where talent will fall in the draft, but in two years I would like to see a young starter at QB.
D Bowe
Did anyone notice how the offense fell completely apart after d bowe left the game? 9 first downs in the first half with him, 3 or 4 after. We definitely have to lock him up.
I HATE TAKING A RUNNING BACK IN THE FIRST ROUND...
… but taking a player that would essentially be a right tackle is not the way to go. I am trying to rationalize it the best that I can, but I just can’t see us taking someone that would be our starting right tackle. Not that I would complain if we did…
With that said I’m leaning towards Trent Richardson or a CB. Granted we might be able to get a strong RB later…
Decastro is gone according to this draft… so I hope that we grab someone like Nicks in FA (highly doubtful if going by the past with Pioli). Then in the 2nd round if we grabbed someone like Zebrie Sanders I’d be ok with the moves on the offense.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Assuming Carr is re-signed...
corner is probably the lowest need of any position on the roster.
Runningback really isn’t a need either. Charles, Battle and McCluster is plenty. Maybe throw in a late rounder of low-level FA in case of injury.
I don’t see anything wrong with a taking a RT at 11/12. We all saw how a bad RT can really hurt an offense. You also have to remember that both Reiff and Martin would be a possibility at LT after a year or two, depending on what they do with Albert.
QB by any means necessary
The rest is gravy. A good QB can hide an average Oline, but a good Oline can’t hide a bad QB.
by craig in calgary on Jan 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This Craig character speaks truth.
by Huston09 on Jan 2, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more
I’m usually conservative with giving up picks, but if Pioli thinks RG3 is legit, get it done. Who cares if we have to move up 6 spots by trading our 1st and 2nd? You’re really giving up a 2nd rounder for who you desperately need.
No brainer.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I can't see it happening in this draft.
Barkley going back to school and them winning two of their last three pretty much ended that possibility. I don’t know if I’d want Griffin even if they could get him.
If there is a way we can get a franchise QB, take it.
In my nearly 32 years on this earth, the only time the Chiefs have been a threat have been when they had a talented QB. Besides, looking at the list of Super Bowl champions and playoff teams every year lets you know that you need a franchise QB for sustained success. You might get in here and there—hell, you might even win a ring—but if you want the chance to be going to the playoffs year in and year out, and competing for titles year in and year out, you need a franchise QB more than any other piece of the puzzle.
If we can’t trade up, fine. Cassel or Orton will do for one more year. But our team needs to quit this “let’s find a gem in the rough at the most important position on the field” attitude and commit themselves to getting a QB that will keep us in the hunt for the next decade or two.
Reiff will be the guy
With the Ferentz connection and the fact the Bulaga has had success as RT for Green Bay, I think this is pretty much a no brainer. Richardson had his time and couldn’t stay consistent.
Opinion is that Reiff has more LT potential than Bulaga had.
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That's what I've read as well.
There not really much in terms of direct comparisons between them other than they both went to Iowa. I think it also bears mentioning that he had a pretty bad run-in with police his freshman year.
I don't see how RB is really a need at all.
With Charles, McCluster and Battle they have plenty of backs to take carries.
We don't know how Charles will come back
I’m still tossing a mid/low pick at RB or 2
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be fine with a late round pick or a lower level FA.
But there are plenty of other spots that need an upgrade in the first few rounds that RB shouldn’t even be in the discussion.
I also think the struggles in the run game this year had more to do with the line play and the lack of threat from the passing game than the backs themselves.
Agreed
Charles masked a lot of the Oline issues
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well yeah...
but I think the line play in general was worse this season than last. Lilja and Richardson were both noticeably worse in my opinion.
Casey and Lilja were worse
BRich was about the same IMO haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Richardson had his moments last season and at least made progress.
I saw a noticeable step back this year. Either way I think a new RT and LG are needed with Hudson stepping in at center. We’ll see. I’ll be a little disappointed if Lilja is back at LG again. He really appeared to go backwards.
I'm halfly wondering if Lilja's decline was due to Casey's major decline
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
He's clearly limited in what he's able to do at this point.
I might be ok with him starting next year as the starter as long as they draft a guard fairly high with the intention of starting him the year after. Not sure if I’d like that many youngsters on the line together though. Might be good to get a vet to take that spot if they are going to roll with Albert, Hudson, Asamoah and a rookie at RT.
Take a qb in every round and they might find someone worthy of being an nfl qb
There’s alot of ways to look at it. One fix the trenches. Ol could use two upgrades, tackle and guard. It’d make the offense alot better but without a real qb the team isn’t making it to superbowl. 1.qb 2.t 3.rb fa. g
by Kcbiggyblue on Jan 2, 2012 12:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'd be fine with either Reiff or Martin.
If both are there, even better.
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