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How does Pioli do it?

Last year if you would have asked me for a mock draft, I would told you I am dead set on:

1. OLB, Akeem Ayers

2. NT, Stephon Paea

3. WR, Leonard Hankerson

4. NT, Jerelle Powe

5. CB, Shareese Wright

5. RB, Roy Helu

6. Tyrod Taylor

7. Shane Bannon

Star-divide

1. Pioli moves back in the draft 5 spots and gets a free 3rd rounder out of it. With the 26th pick we take Baldwin. In Scott Pioli's book, entitled War Room, he talks about the Falcons trade up for Julio. Falcons GM calls Bellichick, who taught all Falcon's GM what he knows, and asks, "Hey im thinking about trading up for Julio, what do you think?" Bellichick says, "No! you have a great WR were you are currently drafting in Baldwin." So he then calls Pioli and asks him what he thinks and Pioli's response? "Yeah it sounds great! Baldwin is overrated where you are picking." Just a funny story I would like to share.

2. Rodney Hudson, a great lineman with versatility. A great player to develop into a center or guard of the future.

3. (from Cleveland) Justin Houston. This is essentially a free pick for how Pioli worked his magic to get Baldwin. Not to mention Houston was a projected 1st round pick but fell drastically for drug use. IMO this is his loss and our advantage. And its not the worst thing if a player smokes a little dope.

3. Allen Bailey, this is also a projected late first round early second round pick. He fell and Pioli picked him.

4. Jalil Brown, versatile corner and he excelled at special teams this year. Id like to see him in defense. He could be a diamond in the rough.

5. Ricky Stanzi, why is it that in all of the mock drafts Stanzi isn't picked till later in the draft. He falls to the fifth then once Pioli drafts him, he could potentially be a very good starter.

6. Jerelle Powe, he is a major draft day free faller. He is also one that they say if he has time could develop into a major NT

7. Shane Bannon, I remember when the Chiefs worked him out pre draft. He was a beast in the IVY league and could have been the one two punch with Charles.

What do I see? Pioli reached in the first round in most of his drafts. IMO Pioli is not that great in the first round. That is why he tries to trade out of the first in most of his drafts. Also, in almost every other draft pick, he looks for free fallers. I think he is so hard to predict, so why do we try to mock him every year? Don't be surprised if Pioli trades away our first round pick for extra picks. Such as his trade last year to aquire Justin Houston for free. Tell me what you think how does Pioli do it?

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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He's smarter than we think.

This is good to see. Maybe there’s a method to his candy wrapping madness?

by bossmanham on Jan 18, 2012 7:59 PM CST reply actions  

he IS intelligent ... very sharp guy

I may hate how he runs the office, but he IS smart

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 18, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah i'm going to send pioli to vegas and see how he does in poker

he got a good poker face

will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.

by niageriannit1 on Jan 19, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

will they let him trade a 3 of clubs and a 9 of diamonds for a Jack of spades, then trade that Jack of spades and card from the next hand for an Ace of Hearts to fill an inside straight?

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 20, 2012 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

we don't know about Hudson yet

greatness? How many snaps did he get this year? Likewise Stanzi, Powe, and frankly, Baldwin. We have no clue how these guys are going to pan out. I concede Houston, good pick for the position that seems to have panned out. Bailey saw action…let’s see if he can do more and actually threaten Dorsey or Jackson before we put laurel wreaths on his head. And frankly, your assessment of Brown is a guess.

None of the picks made all pro, or any other all star team. Let’s see what happens in the next couple of years before we start lauding Pioli as the second coming of Jim Finks.

After all, we were 7-9 for a reason, and it wasn’t all because of injuries.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM CST reply actions  

I was talking about them mostly in college but they have shown signs of greatness.

Except Powe. Nobody know about him. And yes I agree wait and see but I was just grading what we have seen so far.

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I would say Jalil was more impressive in his time on defense this year then ST

Too many gaffes on ST for him this year and he played really well when he was matched on the other teams TE and in the other limited DB time he got this year.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

Great idea.

Do you think anyone has suggested that to him?

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 18, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

proof?

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Haley being fired :)

I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)

by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

touche, Sir

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

he's getting better

and he had better,..cause that 1st draft class sucked except for Succop,.. Jackson is okay but for a top 5 pick,..not worth it

by tomachop on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

but I think Jackson played awsome this year. He is getting much better and I think he will live up to his first round talent

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ahem..

IMO Pioli is not that great in the first round.

Eric Berry anyone?

Angry Red, 'nuff said.

by chiefsfan62 on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That’s the pick that Haley “stood on the table” for.

Twitter: @RaiderHater86

by ExRoyalsFan on Jan 18, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Jim Trotter (SI) stated this on the radio

http://media.610sports.com/a/44835572/9-8-ww-hour-4.htm

There’s a link to the podcast (about 8 minutes in). It’s from the Nick Wright show on 9/8.

It’s actually kind of interesting to listen to this podcast in retrospect….

Twitter: @RaiderHater86

by ExRoyalsFan on Jan 18, 2012 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok

Ill concede with Berry but anyone could have picked him. He was the safest pick

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 19, 2012 7:12 AM CST up reply actions  

That certainly wasn't the consensus belief prior to the draft

Many people wanted Rolando McClain

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m really comfortable with him with players.

Actually exceptionally comfortable with him and the players, we’re going to have a lot of depth soon.

He needs to get his stuff together on how to create a healthy coaching environment though.

by MichaelMantastic on Jan 19, 2012 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

Well

You cant expect all of piolis’ drafts to be as great as 2010

by Harvey Hurtado on Jan 19, 2012 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

What

McCluster and Arnius? Boy Brandon Spikes sure looked good against Denver. I would have taken him with our early second that year.

Aaron Hernandez and Jimmy Graham were on the board when we got our TE.

by 102win on Jan 19, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Too many people use the 2009 draft to rip Pioli

I don’t think the 2009 draft was good for anyone except the Packers who picked Matthews and Raji. Raji was an achilles heel this year. Folks also say he’s living on Carl and Herm’s picks. That could be true, but Todd and the rest of the current staff took those players to another level in my opinion. The 2011 draft will be much harder to grade with the lack of OTA’s. Sure, other teams got an immediate impact from some rookies, but I think linemen, especially D linemen, need time to develop. I think we’ll see some great things from the 2011 class next year once they’ve had a real off season to work with coaches. I also think the 2010 class was exceptional. Berry was an easy pick, but what about Lewis? That dude came out of no where and he’s a stud. I even like the Arenas and McCluster picks. We need an OC that knows how to use Dex and I think a different Special Teams coach can get more out of Arenas, at least come up with better blocking schemes for punt and kickoff returns. Asamoah is going to be a staple on our O-line for a long time.
Pioli is doing a great job of evaluating talent and getting the most out of his picks. I’m just like everyone else though when I hope to God he finds the franchise quarterback of the future.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Jan 19, 2012 9:51 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Pioli scares me...

Why is he so paranoid? Why has he stuck with Cassel so long and may still believe in him. He’s taking this Patriots thing too far. I’m not sold an a lot of his picks and he’s creating an environment where no one would like to work.

I say oust the scoundrel.

I am here to answer those who mock me scorn for scorn.

by choirboy on Jan 19, 2012 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

If the Chiefs ousted Pioli now that would be the last straw.

And I’m sure many fans feel the same way.

Progress is being made. I mean, this team just won 7 games without it’s two best players, one of which was responsible for like 40% of our offensive production in 2010. The other played every defensive snap and lead the team in INTs, 2nd in tackles. Pioli has built a pretty damned good roster. How can you not see that?

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont get why people say pioli has stuck with cassel too long.

09 was his first year. He had no o-line and 1 wr. In 2010 cassel improved a lot. He wasnt perfect but he showed that he might be a long term qb for us. This year he regressed despite having a better offense around him. So when would you have gotten rid of him? After only 1 year with no help or after 2 years where he showed significant improvement? I think pioli has stuck with him just long to find out he isnt the answer.

by chiefFANatic on Jan 19, 2012 12:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

So many use the “pioli is in love with Cassel and wont get rid of him” as some negative. There isn’t a single person that would have dumped Cassel in the last two seasons, and no one can fault Pioli for trying to get a franchise QB.

And its funny that those same people say to immediately dump Cassel and get a better QB, like there is an easy button to press. If the team is in a position to improve at QB, you have to believe they will. If they aren’t, which is the likely scenario considering our draft position and free agents, Cassel will likely be the guy again, with no real alternative option (barring the development of Stanzi)

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 19, 2012 2:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

wow, helluva "defense" for staying with Cassel ... and defense of your buddy Scott, of course
the likely scenario considering our draft position and free agents, Cassel will likely be the guy again, with no real alternative option (barring the development of Stanzi)

iOW Pioli’s not even going to call Orton and try to re-sign him … as for Cassel’s last two seasons, he’s had one pretty good season (2010) but do tell, kind Sir, what the other wonderful year that he had was … surely not 2009! because if that’s your basis for saying “not a single person would have dumped Cassel” you’ve missed out on a lot of thinking to the contrary

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh, c'mon ups. Now you're just trying to start an argument.

It’s pretty obvious he’s saying you couldn’t justify cutting Cassel after 2009 because the entire team was a trainwreck and the line was terrible.

He looked serviceable in 2010. Hard to cut him there.

He regressed this year. Not so hard to cut him now.

It's no fun if I have to explain it.

by TRSChief on Jan 19, 2012 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

that was the point ... well done
Not so hard to cut him now

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Was that part about Julio and Baldwin really in War Room?

LMAO.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

It was, but...

I don’t remember Pioli saying to Dimitroff anything about Baldwin, but he did give him two thumbs up to make the trade up.

by Crown Chief on Jan 19, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Exact Quote:

“After some general draft conversation, Dimitroff and Belichick get into the specifics of the Falcons-Browns trade. "Thomas, I’m just telling you as a friend," Belichick says, "I wouldn’t do it."
……

“He’s mentioned it to two friends, Belichick and Scott Pioli, and his record with them is 1–1. Pioli, who was told of the plan before Dimitroff’s conversation with Belichick, said he would do it; Belichick said no way.”

Holley, Michael (2011-11-08). War Room: The Legacy of Bill Belichick and the Art of Building the Perfect Team (p. 310). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 20, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

And if you want to feel better about Baldwin:

Belichick has a couple good reasons for his analysis and he’s willing to share. He often says that the primary job of a receiver is to simply get open and catch the ball, and he doesn’t like what he sees from Jones in either department. He thinks the receiver struggles to get open on intermediate routes, doesn’t play as fast as his superb timed speed suggests, and too often displays inconsistent hands. There’s also the issue of value. When Belichick began studying the 2011 draft, he saw great depth at the receiver position. Why go all-out for someone like Jones when you can likely have a Jonathan Baldwin, who, as far as Belichick can see, is just as good if not better than Jones?

Holley, Michael (2011-11-08). War Room: The Legacy of Bill Belichick and the Art of Building the Perfect Team (p. 309). Harper Collins, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Meh. Good write up but:
What do I see? Pioli reached in the first round in most of his drafts. IMO Pioli is not that great in the first round.

IMO, neither Berry nor Baldwin were reaches. Pioli got a future HoFer in Berry, and the WR he wanted plus a 3rd round pick in Baldwin. The fact that the Falcons were asking about Baldwin should tell you more about where actual GMs thought he was valued.

As for Jackson, yeah he was a reach… BUT… he’s paying off now. Our defense made huge strides this year, and TJax was a big reason why. IMO, Pioil has been putting together some great drafts, 2009, not so much (but hey, across the NFL that was a bad class), but his 2010 and 2011 drafts look very good.

"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.

by Tomahawk29 on Jan 19, 2012 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

I had a dream last night

That Pioli traded up to the number 2 spot and drafted a OT. RGIII went next and I was sad.

by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 19, 2012 1:02 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Your dreams suck.

When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick

by Brsrkr on Jan 20, 2012 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course he did

He is from the Pac-12. He played, dominated, won awards, championships, and became master of the universe.

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 19, 2012 2:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Yeh but...

his first pick was Todd Haley. All bad picks there-after can be blamed on him.

by 12t on Jan 19, 2012 4:52 PM CST reply actions  

Trading back from the 1st

I believe that trading back from the 1st round to collect 2nd’s and 3rd’s was a product of the jacked up rookie pay scale, which made 2nd and 3rd round picks have the highest value-to-risk ratios.

In reality, the change in rookie pay scale will certainly change the mentality of GM’s and I expect to see much more trading INTO the 1st round. Draft day mentality will be unlike it has been in the past, and the smart GM’s will get ahead of the curve. You can now get 1st round picks at a discount (when compared to years past).

Based on this, my vote would be to select the “new” TRICH at #11, and then trade back into the 1st round and get the best RT left on the board. Our defense doesn’t need much of anything (getting Berry back is enough to make them elite). Imagine our offense with , Charles coming back, Moeaki coming back, TRICH and a stud Offensive line. Variables are Bowe and QB. Sign Bowe and Orton, groom Stanzi to be QBOTF this year as backup and we will be dangerous.

After the first 2 picks I mentioned above, the rest of the draft should be dedicated to finding an ILB and depth on both lines.

Look, I am just an accountant over here, but it seems pretty easy for a GM to make this team a winner ;-)

If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.

-Steve Nash

by Red Shadow on Jan 20, 2012 7:13 AM CST reply actions  

This is critical...

You may have a leg up being an accountant if you have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express when making your comments.

Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.

by Bell78 on Jan 20, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Warning: Glass half-full comment.

Given a couple of glaring needs and our position in the draft, I think Pioli can reasonably be assured of getting us some solid players in rounds 1 and 2. We need depth for special teams as well and that is where the later rounds count. 49ers were badass on st this year and we need to make that jump to help our very average qb in 2012.

Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.

by Bell78 on Jan 20, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

trading down

I’ve thought about Pioli trading down with another team(possibly to a team picking in the 20s) in exchange for another second round pick and a third or fourth round pick.
i’m wondering if a team would trade their second and third round picks to move up to the No. 11 or 12 spot. if a team takes that, pioli would be a genius and i’d be impressed!!!

by michaelaglover on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

how does Piolli do it

I dont see the big mystery, in my opinion its easy for him, its easy to screw things up when you dont know what your doing.If Piollis reign shows anything it shows Belecheck was the reason for NE success. Berry was pretty much a no brainer but Jackson and Dorsey has to be considered bad picks, esspecially considering some of the guys we passed on by picking them. Something I havnt seen anything about is what % of his picks are still with team and contribute to the team. To me the only thing Piolli has done well is stock the team with backups and practice squad players. What do you expect when a team waits till teams have to do their final cuts to sign FA’s.I dont think what hes done in drafting and the FA he brings in supports that talent guru label he came here with. If I were to grade him on his first 3 years it would be an D-. It would be an F but I gave him credit for what little he did right in the draft room. On top of that I heard he is the highest paid GM the other day. Dont know if its true but it wouldnt surprise me.

by rrog64 on Jan 21, 2012 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

2010 and 2011 picks are nearly all contributing members of the team.
Something I havnt seen anything about is what % of his picks are still with team and contribute to the team

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 21, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

although, to be fair and balanced, the word "contribute" might have a slightly different connotation regarding Cassel than it does for Berry, et al

(angelic smile)

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"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 21, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

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