Mel Kiper's NFL Mock Draft Goes Defense For Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Jan 18, 2012 2:30 PM CST
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Yesterday we took notice that a lot of the 2012 NFL mock drafts floating around out there are once again projecting an offensive tackle for the Kansas City Chiefs. It seems like that's been the offseason theme the last couple of years with the mock drafts and it will be again this year.
ESPN's Mel Kiper thinks the Chiefs will go after a tackle -- but on defense. Kiper's latest mock draft has the Chiefs selecting Penn State DT Devon Still. Kiper says the Chiefs have a chance to become an "upper-echelon defense" in the coming years and a "disruptive interior line presence" like Still can help accomplish that.
So do you focus on the defense, where the Chiefs are getting closer to becoming one of the better units in the league? Or do you look to the offense, where the Chiefs ranked second to last in points scored?
It's way, way too early to be figuring out which player specifically the Chiefs will select but the offense vs. defense thing is a good debate. I can see the arguments for both sides but I probably won't settle on any players until after the NFL Combine and some of these workouts. We don't even know if they'll be drafting 11th or 12th yet (a coin flip will determine that).
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I didn't make the pick
but this is exactly what I’ve been saying.
Dumb
Why commit more big money and a high draft pick to the D-line when we have glaring issues at OL, QB, and maybe WR & CB?
Glaring issues?
At WR and CB? I’m of the opinion that those two positions are the least of our concerns. In fact, I think our secondary rivals the best in the league, including our nickle package.
by hornetchiefsfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
True
I guess we’ll just have to hope that Pioli’s phone taps on those two didn’t turn-up anything he didn’t like. Cause that’s the only reason I can venture as to why we wouldn’t re-sign them.
by hornetchiefsfan on Jan 18, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
The players will have to WANT to re sign here.
Carr I believe will… Bowe on the other hand, with another offensive overhaul coming, uncertainty at QB, and a new OC likely to be hired might want to get out.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the entire team was excited that they just beat the Packers.
I guarantee you that every player on that roster, except for maybe Palko, would have said right then that they love being a Chief and would love to stay here.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Plus, most of the offense was still on the field...
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
It's a theory that fits the facts. A proof of it will lie in the re-signings, if forthcoming.
I do think RAC recognizes these are young men who want to be treated like men. They’ll accept high standards if they’re conveyed with respect, most of ’em.
But the theory could still hold for RAC, but if Pioli treats ‘em like punks, re-signings may be tough or high-priced. Hope I’m wrong. The JC and Flowers deals suggest that they want a lot of guys around $4 or $5 milliion (6 or 7?), and not a bunch of low-budget types or ridiculously high-paid types. With the rookie cap, nobody’s coming into the league at $10 million per, and you can make a LOT of guys millionaires with that $4 or $5 million deal.
would of ≠ would've
88 Million for the 22 starters
leaves 32 + Million for the rest of the roster
Seems fair to me, average 1.4 Million for 23 backups
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
That's a model the rank-and-file can embrace.
Wonder if there’s something about that in the Goldman-Sachs model?
would of ≠ would've
If we get Carr back, and that may be a biiiiiigg IF
by Arrow Head Addict on Jan 19, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Trade up for rg3
there is always talent in the lower rounds, sometime they have slipped because personal matters, are and injury that has healed, etc.
How many teams are going to make passing their #1 priority?
Gotta get to the qb in the league.
DT doesn't do that in our system
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Yeah they do
What do you think Bailey and Gilberry do in sub-packages?
And if we’re gonna rush just 3 or 4 in base packages then So do our DEs
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
A DE playing as a DT in a sub package is not a true DT
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 18, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
Well he's certainly not a DE
Because that’s not his role in subpackages
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 19, 2012 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
Ups, you act like if we had an awesome NT who actually COULD rush the passer like Wilfork and Raji do
that Crennel still wouldn’t ever have him rush the QB, because the nose “doesn’t do that in our system.”
I think the more correct answer is that the 2-gap 3-4 that we and the Pats use values versatility, and IF we had a NT who could excel at both 2-gapping AND rushing the QB, it would give us more flexibility.
It is analogous to the difference between Dorsey and Seymour…both of them were/are very good against the run from the 5-tech, which is good since that is the primary responsibility of the 3-4 DE. But we can all agree that adding the pass rush ability of Seymour to that spot brings additional value (and is why Seymour is one of the best, while Dorsey is solid)
I’m not saying Still is that guy, but we could benefit from a NT who could stay in on sub packages. In 2011 a lot of teams shredded our nickel by running on them out of 3 WR sets, since Bailey and Gilberry are less stout against the run
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Nickel looked a lot better as the year went along against the run
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
again, Still isn’t a NT for the 3-4, he’d be another DE
and Bailey has really come along as the nickel guy
Still looks like he could put on weight
6’5", 310lbs (according to Penn State’s website). If he could put on 10 or 15, he could play NT.
I’d be surprised if Pioli took him as with intention of playing him as DE. We have Dorsey, Jackson, and Bailey. Gilberry could stick and we’d be set at DE. I’m not saying we’d be stellar at DE, but we’d be set. Still at NT would help a ton.
If Pioli takes him in the 1st, expect him to play at the weight he comes in at, +/- conditioning.
He’s not going to look to sculpt a guy he’s willing to take in the 1st, imo. The 1st isn’t where you pick guys for what you want them to become. It’s where you pick guys for what they are, already.
would of ≠ would've
Brockers from Alabama might be a better NT prospect than Still
but either has to be able to play all the Defensive line spots.
Gilberry has not shown he can play a 3-4 D-line spot at all
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Nevertheless, you have to think IF Still were taken, then there's 3 first-rounders that ARE gonna play.
So Still inside would be a strong possibility. So would Jackson or Dorsey on any given play. In fact, that 3-tackle front that Crennel likes to run would be VERY tough to figure out, and could run variations MUCH more easily than offenses could counter them.
Myself, seeing Jackson as the beastliest of the current group, I see little in the NT job description that he couldn’t do better than Edwards or Gregg. Plus he’d do a few other things better.
Still would also be a guy who’d serve well in 5-tech and be able to stay on the field in the nickel. I think the Chiefs are going to have a tough time getting the Bailey-Gilberry projects to perform @ 5-tech in the base 3-4, but they solved the sub-package rotation by moving DEs inside in the nickel and dime. So they’re attacking that “two separate defenses” issue with crossover from the 5-tech DEs. Still makes them very deep in that regard, although I think they were doing OK with Gordon playing that role.
would of ≠ would've
But if we could only drop the sub-package 4-3 and play a base
front and get QB pressure……..
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
A more generic 3-tackle front might be a step in that direction.
With Gordon plus a draft pick (with Powe in the wings), maybe they have 4 (plus 1) for a more active base front. They’re definitely functional with a limited-repertoire NT, but Still or Cox or ?Coples? might open up possibilities we haven’t really considered.
would of ≠ would've
That isn't always the case
First rounders can be sculpted just like anybody else. Tamba Hali anyone? Yeah, he wasn’t a Pioli pick, but all players are coached to improve
by TheDudeAbides007 on Jan 19, 2012 3:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
But our DEs aren't perfect
We likely lose Gilberry this year, and Dorsey next so were not as solid as we seem. Plus Bailey has big question marks right now, and I’m not sold he’s got a future as a starter in base packages.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree
We’re not perfect at DE. But I don’t think a first round DE would be the best way to use your draft picks.
I’m just saying if we take Still in the first, I don’t think Pioli would be taking him as a DE. I think he would be anticipating Still putting on more weight and playing NT. Just my opinion.
Why?
When he’d probably be better at DE and we’ve got Powe who’s shown flashes.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Because we have no NT
Powe may have shown flashes, but how many snaps did he play this year? I might be wrong, but I don’t even think Powe was active in week 17. Amon Gordon played more DE than NT. Gregg is 75 years old.
I’m not saying I want Still as our NT. I think Pioli will trade down and take either an ILB, OT, or OG in the late first round.
What I’m saying is I don’t think we have the luxury of taking a first round DE when we have good/decent starting caliber NFL DEs and other holes to be filled. But if he takes Still, then I’m going to think he saw something in Still that will transfer well to NT.
Or thinks we're fine with Powe and we keep still at DE
I love draft season, so many possibilities
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Haha ya true, lots of possibilities
I can’t see how he’d think we’re fine with Powe. Did he even play 20 snaps this year?
I clearly see how I could be wrong. If Pioli doesn’t sign Gilberry and trades Dorsey for a draft pick, then Still might be the pick.
I’m thinking Gilberry gets a team-friendly contract and Dorsey sticks and Still goes to another team. Then we draft in the 20s.
There was no need for him to start
This team loves developing players, particularly lineman its all apart of the build through the draft strategy.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Well we'll see
Too bad we have wait so long to find out…
(By wait so long)
I mean wait so long to find out if Powe will be our NT for the foreseeable future.
But if he played more...
AP probably wouldn’t be able to fantasize about him so much.
I kid…mostly. I do wish we would’ve let him on the field more later in the year.
It’s interesting most fans don’t bring up NT as the first team need when last year it was at the top of everyone’s list. This year the need is just as great.
That's my thinking
Maybe because there isn’t a Phil Taylor in this draft? I don’t know much about college ball, but I do know that people (national sources, not just APers) aren’t talking about Poe like they did about Taylor last year.
Speaking of the devil, how was Phil Taylor’s year? I didn’t watch many Cleveland games, but I had heard that it wasn’t going well.
or the fact we have plugged in older guys and done fine
at NT.
The position is just not as important as 1-2 draft round value
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure I'd use the term "important."
More like, the 3-4, as conceived by RAC, allows them to select for stout, durability, and unselfish play. The D-Line before Pioli was still trying to be all-world, with every guy thinking he was a playmaker, rather than a teammate. Then when you whiff, it’s a big play against you. Poor as the pass rush has been, they’ve done a really good job of keeping the QB from breaking contain or scrambling up the middle. Good discipline.
But there’s nothing that says you can’t go for something exceptional up the middle, but Wilfork will tell you how much good it’s doing him, when the rest of the guys aren’t finishing.
would of ≠ would've
Just draft another
long snapper like we did with Jared Allen. Look at him now!! :)
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
Bailey was pretty good in the sub package in terms of coming in at the QB
Dorsey is solid against the run
either way, Still would come in as a rookie, FWIW, and it doesn nothing to address the OLine where he have major shortcomings
I’m on for DeCastro because next to Kalil he’s the clear best Oline guy out there … and the best OG by a wide margin
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
amen!
DeCastro orMartin/Reiffall the way :)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What if Decastro moves before our pick?
That’s where I see it being more likely that Still or Kirkpatrick are the right thing to do with the first pick. It all depends on who falls. Shrine Game and Senior Bowl is where I’ll get to see all these guys side-by-side, and see how they move, relative to one another (and relative to my expectations). From what little I know, I’m not sure I don’t go another direction if Decastro’s gone and Martin and Reiff are still on the board. Just not sure that they’re all that much better or better risks than OTs I see being around in the 2nd or even 3rd rounds.
So I’m with you on Decastro, but I’m lukewarm about those OTs really being 1st-round value.
How would you guys feel about Osemele AND Sanders, for instance? I don’t have my heart set on any one thing, but while I’m no huge Kiper fan, I can easily see guys like Still or Kirkpatrick slipping down the boards, or maybe another d-lineman, after the trade-down, because of the way things break, and, again, I’m not especially keen on OT in the 1st round this year. I think there are more certain 1st-rounders at other positions.
would of ≠ would've
Agree
We run a ZBS and guys like that are usually found later for what it’s worth.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not really...
There’s a chance Cassel will be back
Actually,
In a 3-4 defensive scheme, the middle of the line is as important to the pass rush as the OLBs. It’s the pressure up the middle that disrupts the 3 step drop. When a QB has to drop deep in the pocket, he’s becomes a better target for the OLB. The situation KC is in is that both Jackson and Dorsey are a little more than 1 guy can handle, but weak handling a double-team. A quicker, taller, more powerful guy like Still in the middle might be just what they need.
by David Winton on Jan 18, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
yes. That's a possibility. And Still inside wouldn't be the only option.
Shade it one way or another, swap Jackson/Dorsey/Gordon inside, et voila. Throw in either of the big LBs and that’s a damn good front 4 or 5.
would of ≠ would've
I know the Chiefs have drafted d-line high a lot lately
but I’d be happy with Still. If he can take that defensive line up a notch, paired with the Chiefs secondary assuming they re-sign Carr, the Chiefs could start looking like a championship type defense. Look how long the Ravens D has carried that team over the last decade. Prefer somehow addressing QB however. Offensive line? I think that can be addressed outside of the 1st round.
All depends on if Decastro slips to us, or Konz is there after the trade-down.
They’re both guys I consider 1st-round value, especially if KC trades out of that #11 spot.
would of ≠ would've
I've seen you refer to this...
Decastro ‘slipping’ to us. I like him and think he’s a solid prospect, but OG’s don’t ‘slip’ to #11.
If we stay put, he’ll be there at 11.
Yeah. But I think if we trade-down past #14 that Decastro's gone. Konz is more probable after many of the trade-down scenarios than Decastro.
But if it were between Richardson and Decastro when the #11 pick comes, I go with the OG.
would of ≠ would've
If Trent Richardson falls to
number 11 and the Chiefs have not traded down for more picks, he will be the best player available. Offense it is then.
"The Hammer"
Agreed
Trent Richardson is the only offensive player I see us grabbing in the first. RT can be found in teh second round, Luck obviously ain’t falling and RGIII doesn’t strike me as fitting Pioli’s mold of a QB even if he did fall. WR we’re good at, the interior line is filling out pretty nicely (although I can see us looking at G in the second/third rounds). The only three positions I really see us looking at in the first are DL, CB (don’t be surprised if Carr walks and we snag Dre from Bama), and RB.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Can't see RB
with guys like Foster and Murray playing so well. Someone not too long ago looked at the RBs in the playoffs and the highest draft pick is 2nd or 3rd or something? RB in the first round is a waste. Value can be found elsewhere, especially this year. Guys like Polk, Ganaway, Wilson, and others could be value picks later.
Yeah. I agree with Sudden on my take on 2nd and 3rd for OL being a strong possibility.
But 1st round on RB just ain’t in my DNA.
would of ≠ would've
You are out of your Mind!
Richardson is not the best player available at 11 or 12. Decastro will be the best player available! A dominate LG will do way more for this Offense than Richardson will and will do it longer. You dont miss out on opportunities to draft Hall of Fame type O lineman!. Not to mention its stupid to waste a pick on Richardson because the odds are he is only going to play at a high level for 3 to 4 years, after that they become normal backs due to injuries.
by BigRatt on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. The offensive line is the second highest priority behind QB.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
drafting this high
We need to take best player whether its ilb ot or cb.
by Brendon on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Lol.......I may be out of my minde, but I know a couple of things.
Richardson+ Charles=unstoppable force. I also know how to spell dominant.
"The Hammer"
by G.L. on Jan 18, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Decastro = Mims?
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 18, 2012 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I get his reasoning.
We do get gashed up the middle in the run game. But a lot of that has to do with the defense being on the field so much.
Still, with Jonathan Martin and David DeCastro still on the board (according to his draft), there’s no way I would make this pick.
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Is this guy a 3-4 DT?
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 18, 2012 2:38 PM CST reply actions
If he's not...
a GENUINE zero-technique guy in a 3-4, then we don’t need him.
by hornetchiefsfan on Jan 18, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Is this a typo, then?
Kiper’s latest mock draft has the Chiefs selecting Penn State DT Devon Still.
Because that may be causing the confusion.
nope
was a DT in college, and technically, all 3-4 DLinemen can be called DTs…
but, no doubt, he’d be a DE in our scheme
I'm not disagreeing with you ...
… (because I don’t know this guy at all), but can you explain your reasoning?
looking for a good scouting report
didn’t know this
Cousin Art Still played for the Kansas City Chiefs
Yes, I was aware...
Art Still was a beast on the D-Line. This may be the connection that gets him drafted by KC. I would expect a trade down about 5 spots to do it, ’tho. This may be the way to go, since there are 2 good OTs available in the 2nd, and another in the 3rd that could beat out BRich on the right side. My money would be on G DeCastro in the first, however.
by David Winton on Jan 18, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well, for one he's 6'4" / 310lb
He’s a good bit taller than you’d want at NT in a 3-4, for leverage purposes.
He’s perfect 3-4 DE size though.
And most college DE’s end up being about NFL OLB size or suited for DE in a 4-3, where you have two DT’s inside. But in a 3-4, you need your DE’s to be big boys to anchor things and be disruptive so the LB’s are free of blockers.
Still has the potential to be a really good 3-4 DE.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
from walterfootball
Devon Still, DE/DT, Penn State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 311.
Projected 40 Time: 5.03.
Projected Round (2012): 1.
12/21/11: Still has had a superb senior season. He has been a playmaker and the leader of the Penn State defense. Still posesses good size, surprising speed and real power. He played Alabama tough early this season. For the season, Still has 55 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 4.5 sacks, a pass batted away and a forced fumble. Penn State’s last two regular season games, against Ohio State and Wisconsin, were his worst showings of the year, but he’ll get a chance to show his pass rushing skills against Houston on January 2nd.
Entering the NFL, Still has an excellent combination of power, speed and athleticism. He beats offensive linemen with strength as well as quickness. Still has the versatility to play the three technique or nose tackle in a 4-3 defense. He also could be a 3-4 defensive end.
8/21/11: Devon Still had a strong 2010 season with 10 tackles for a loss and four sacks. He saw frequent double teams, and still was a difference maker for Penn State. As a sophomore, Still had 5.5 tackles for a loss and two sacks. He has scheme flexibility and could fit a 3-4 or a 4-3 defense.
could be a great one if he can stay healthy
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Hrm, cbs sports had him listed at 6'4"
Still, big boy either way you slice it. Perfect physical build for a 3-4 DE.
C’s and G’s would get underneath his pads at NT though. Unless he’s freakishly strong, his 3-4 NT size isn’t a fit.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
6-4
Pretty sure Phil Taylor is 6-4
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Haloti Ngata is 6'4"
Granted, he’s also 330lbs. I would be a little surprised if we took Still, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him play NT if we did take him.
He's a DE
Plays NT sometimes but mostly a DE
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Kiper should hire you
because he’s clearly off base on this one.
comin' back atcha, my friend :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Would rather take a 1st round DT than a 1st round OG or RT
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who thinks Sanchez > Stafford
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Says the guy who thinks Jack Stack is good BBQ
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do you really think Sanchez is better than Stafford?
that’s odd…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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I may have talked shit on Stafford before he was drafted
Dude brought it this year
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yeah he did!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yeah I thought this year would be his last.
I didn’t think he could go a full year without getting hurt, but I’ve always liked him and the way he throws the deep ball.
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He's a little bit better than his blocking.
Looks great when they block good. But still needs help up front, imo.
would of ≠ would've
Yeah the Lions are another team I think go deep in the play-offs next year.
But they do need some o-line help, like the 49ers just a few pieces away.
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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Says the guy who thinks all herbs are the same
Probably feel the same about ales too
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I like the kind that doesn't have so many seeds
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No, you don't.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Our current DE's > our current LG and RT
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I'm on the
DeCastro or Martin/Reiff bandwagon right now. That is this team’s biggest weakness besides QB and there aren’t any QBs we can draft that will help us this year. Has anybody taken an in-depth look at Matt Flynn?
Rob Lowe on twitter hearing Peyton Manning Is RETIRING! he himself said he hopes he’s wrong. This appears to be a rumor but interesting at that.
by jcrunninwild on Jan 18, 2012 2:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Why would he retire before he got his $28M bonus?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
hes not guaranteed his bonus and maybe
Volts already told him they weren’t going to pay him?
by jcrunninwild on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There is no bonus to get if they cut him.
Which is likely at this point. They could work out a feel-good retirement package for him too.
How funny would that be
if a freaking actor broke this news before BSPN.
by CapsLockKey on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
been sayin' all year
Peyton aint playing another down in the NFL. Done. Finished. End of story. ’Nuff said.
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by craig in calgary on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Which means the Colts have probably just found their Offensive Coordinator.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know if I would put it past the Colts to name Peyton the HC...
he’s probably being groomed for it regardless of who they hire this year.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
maybe we can hire him to be our OC.
by jcrunninwild on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Assuming Rob Lowe is somehow correct...
which would be hilarious considering the circumstances, why would Manning retire now?
My thoughts: As a gesture to the Colts for one of two reasons – (1) solidifies their ability to talk to prospective HC’s about what they’re getting into (won’t have to worry about a Peyton vs. Andy Luck – who’s the starter scenario if Peyton plays poorly), and more likely, (2) Peyton will be hired on by the Colts in some coaching capacity (QB coach?) to coach Andy Luck.
Maybe he doesn't want to start over with a new team.
Especially with his age and uncertain future, health-wise.
why would Manning retire now?
If he’s done, he’s done. If he has no intention of coming back to play, why not retire? Indy isn’t going to keep him and another team isn’t going to sign him.
If they want him to help Luck develop they need to bring him in as a coach/consultant – not burn a roster spot just to keep his busted ass around.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 18, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
haha Archie laughed when asked if true.
Said he thinks Peyton would have told him. His agent also said this is first he’s heard of it. That Rob Lose guy is a piece of work.
by jcrunninwild on Jan 18, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
with Dorsey, Jackson, Bailey, Gordon, Gilberry (assuming he's back)
this is among the deepest position groups on the team
with a possible developing guy in Bair
it is deep ... not necessarily our BEST postional group, but "adequate" at the least and most certainly deep
and NOT what should be our “top priority”
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I agree
Gilberry is leaving and well need a suitable replacement, on top of that Dorseys contract is coming up and i see him leaving too. we should start developing now, and the talent doesn’t rely get any better.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
DE is beef
Just not the type we need the most
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Gotta go to Japan to get that
Akebono still young enough?
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Either we go o-line
or trade back 1 or 2 times and get a defensive front 7 guy late in the 1st.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 18, 2012 2:43 PM CST reply actions
I think Pioli trades down
and picks up a DT and RT with the 1st 2 picks
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i think everyone ins expecting the chiefs to trade out of this spot
does that make it even harder to make a good deal?
Teams are always scared someone will draft "thier guy"
I think it’s a matter of what the other team is offering and what we are asking for
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they have to go dl and ol
to start the draft i can not imagine them drafting a skilled position early
Why not?
We had similar needs last year and drafted a WR. Trying to predict Scott Pioli is the first step in being wrong.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
we needed help on the outside
with bowe as the only real threat at wr we needed baldwin. did i see it coming no not trying to make that claim. but it made more sense last year than this year. imo
Remember the Dexter McCluster pick?
Nobody thought we needed him…especially that early. But Pioli made the pick anyways.
The point is that you can’t say the “have” to do anything. Pioli has already proven that he doesn’t “have” to do anything.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
And how many people had us taking him (that high at least) before it happened?
The understanding of the pick was largely after the fact. Before it happened, most people hadn’t even really considered it.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
You may be 1 in a million there.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
He was the only RB that could move the Chains in 2011
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
true
He picked up a lot of 1st downs this year
by stagdsp on Jan 18, 2012 7:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Besides Bowe, he was by far our most important offensive player
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I actually wanted him in the 3rd-4th too
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno. Last year we had Bowe and ???? at WR.
Chris Chambers wasn’t getting it done. We were picking up a guy off the street the week of the playoff game.
Now with Breaston and Baldwin, we’re in much better shape. Needs are probably radically different (as perceived by the front office) this year compared to last.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
And we had ???? at DT, OLB, and RT.
EVERYONE was convinced that we were going one of those 3 positions. And then we didn’t do it.
Just saying that you can’t pigeon hole Pioli like that.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
i think
because we neglected to address them early in the draft last year that is why people expect it to be targeted this year
Sure we needed those. But we also needed WR.
So our needs weren’t exactly the same then as they are now. We don’t really have a need at WR now.
So it’s hard to say we have similar needs, in a general sense, as we did last year.
We needed several things. One of them is taken care of. List is now shorter.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Could make an argument we need RB, SS, FS, CB, TE as well.
Why couldn’t Pioli draft any of those positions?
That’s my point. We have 0 idea as to what Pioli is going to actually do.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
because there isnt much of an argument
that we need ol and dl more
Sure there is.
Who is our starting TE right now?
Is Brandon Carr going to be back?
Is Jamaal Charles going to be the same as he was?
Is Eric Berry going to be the same as he was?
What happens if Kendrick Lewis goes down?
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
i didn’t say that those were not positions that we need depth at those positions. but in the case of ol and dl we need new starters.
We might need new starters at those other positions.
With the limited information that we (as fans) have, we really can’t say what our biggest needs are. And Pioli has already proven several times that he doesn’t always agree with what the fans think.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
All I know is that when I brought up depth last
it was poo poo’d as we can’t worry about injuries.
We worried about injuries very quickly
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
where in CO areya?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
very cool, good luck on the move
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
very nice
thanks headed to columbus for a job, i like colorado except for the donkey fans, but it should be a fun move
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We drafted Bailey and Houston
DT and OLB
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Not in the 1st.
That’s the point. Trying to say that Pioli “has” to do a specific thing in the 1st isn’t going to get you far. He is going to do what he wants and that’s about all there is to it.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ah. I get ya
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I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
but the positions were addressed
and OT, RB, TE will get picks thrown at them in 2012
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 18, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
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hell Pioli might be going for picks
then pick upthe TE Allen,…who knows
I'm inclined to agree.
Unless somehow RG3 miraculously falls past the top 5 and within our easy trade-up range, I bet we end up drafting in the low 20’s, with an extra pick or two to supplement it.
If we do trade down, early DT and 2nd round RT aren’t at all out of the question.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I personally don't care what position we address with our first pick...
I just want that player to come in and make a difference immediately.
No “projects”. No “give ’em a couple years”.
Now.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
You want OL in that case.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 18, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
yes, please
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Still could do that in nickel packages
Which we run 50% of the time, more if the team passes more
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
1st round...
better play every down or it is a bust. I think this would be the reason to draft him actually, but don’t see it less we make a trade before hand. The clock is ticking on getting much out of Dorsey.
You set your expectations way to high
Does that mean any DL prospect we draft in the first will be a bust?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
If...
he is playing part time (and I’m not refering to coming out to take a blow)after 2-3 years, yes. Do I think Dorsey and jackson are busts? In our system, yes, but I don’t really blame them for that. The late season change of attack showed glimpses of promise. I’m predicting a return of the 4-3 for many teams for these reasons (too many sub packages) easier to take out one LB.
Bill Simmons' take:
@sportsguy33
Today, Rob Lowe announced Peyton Manning’s retirement and Mark Wahlberg announced he could have stopped 9/11. Your move, Liam Neeson.
funny
but I bet Rob Lowe has more connections in the agent world to Manning’s people than any of these writers do. I smell a hint of jealously in that tweet.
These guys are always crazy...until their right.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit, that is fucking awesome...
best tweet I have ever read…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
Special teams?
We need someone to block Seymour on field goal attempts.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
THIS
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
by reedeasy on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Tannehill?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
He won't last that long
If we’re waiting that long I’d rather have Foles.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm fine with Foles in the mid rounds too.
I just wouldn’t use a 1st or 2nd on Tannehill.
If he made it to the mid-rounds, why not?
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Foles may not make it to our pick in the 2nd...
But if he does, I’d snag him.
Seriously though
None of this matters if our depth chart at QB is 1) Matt Cassel 2) Rick Stanzi
Hell, reach for Foles in the 1st if he’s the guy and won’t be around in the 2nd.
by craig in calgary on Jan 18, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
This
Or trade back and get and get a pick in the early second round. I think Foles will fair well in the pre-draft events.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I somewhat agree with you.
If they like Foles, they should trade back and get another pick and take him later in the 1st.
If you are rolling with Cassel, you need a great D though…which makes a pick like Still all the more possible.
With Stills though wouldnt you have to move Dorsey?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Probably...
Although Dorsey didn’t have a good year.
I’m not saying I think we’ll pick Still. I don’t. I am saying that going D is even more likely, imo if you are rolling with Cassel. Will need a dominant D to have any shot at a championship.
Still is a good player, but I’d be surprised if we took him.
Agreed
Defense has to be the pick if Cassel is the guy.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
And if we actually use FA this year
And sign an OG and/or RT…as well as bring back our priority FA’s…then drafting D starts to not just be a possibility, but likely.
I still think the most likely scenario is we take OG/OC in rounds 2-4, following the path of the last two seasons and bring back Lilja, let the kid watch for a year…
And yeah, I realize I went off topic.
I guess i didn't catch that. Seems on-topic, to me.
I think pretty much all bets are off ‘til we see what happens in FA, ours and new ones coming in. The pattern is mid-level "I do my fuckin’ job" types in FA, while they go about building in the draft, around the positions filled in FA (or behind them, for instance, Jerrell Powe, brought in for up-side, but without any panic to field him as a rookie).
would of ≠ would've
Given Bailey's improvement over the year
I’d be surprised if they went DE. He may well be able to take Dorsey’s job sooner rather than later.
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I like Bailey a lot..
And he did improve. But I’m far from thinking he can start next year.
By midseason I wouldn't put it past him
Depends on how fast that improvement continues. He’s already quite a bit better against the run then Gilberry, and quite a bit better rushing the passer than Dorsey…
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And if you recall...
AP was even more hyped on Gilberry at this time last year…
He has shown potential, but he has a ways to go. Also, sometimes guys that have limited snaps can look good for various reasons that they don’t with more time.
Again, I hope he develops into a star, but I’ll be really worried if he goes into the season as a starter. #2 is fine.
Gilberry did the Chiefs a favor and himself a disservice.
If he keeps the weight off and is satisfied as a pass rushing specialist this year he probably racks up another 8 or so sack season and goes into free agency and signs a good contract with a 4-3 team. Now he has no free agency value and the Chiefs know all they have to do is take the weight off him.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Very true on Gilberry
The counterpoint is that even this time last year everyone knew Gilberry had a GLARING weakness against the run that we all hoped he’d address.
Bailey has no glaring weakness like that. But the point is taken.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
by kcsno56: Some of Bailey's apparent improvement may've been splash plays
against better matchups, for him. It’s one thing to be overpowering against the Packers, but maybe not so easy for him against numerous monster Gs in the league.
would of ≠ would've
Yup, my thought as well
Also, the less he plays, the less tape there is on him, and less focus by opposing OL coaches.
Looked like GB was a little slow to pick up on #97.
Then they started going after him with the draw and RAC instantly stuck Gordon and/or Dorsey inside in that nickel, IIRC. Bailey still got more snaps, but it wasn’t necessarily next to Gilberry.
would of ≠ would've
I'd keep him
Give Still time to develop and acclimate to Nfl OL strength, hardly any players are ready for double gapping straight out of college and Still is still rather raw.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like the idea of keeping him and him walking out for free next year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
What would we get a 4th? Maybe?
He’s proven nothing in the nfl at either scheme implemented by nfl teams, I’d rather keep him then work with rookies starting all over again.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
A fourth in our pocket now is better then maybe a 4th or 5th in a couple years for a comp pick
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not when you have rookies starting, or even Baey who's not ready
And could lose games because of it, people seriously over value draft picks.
What will Jalil Brown 2.0 do for us next year in place of a more then solid Glenn Dorsey?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
You could make a strong argument that we would be fine with a rotation at that spot
Between Gordon and Bailey and the first rounder at that position(that is what this post is about) they would be enough to replace dorsey.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Oh...if we go 1st rounder
We would be more than fine.
I do think we can use that pick more effectively, but it would depend on what kind of player they thought Still was. If they think he’s an impact 3-4 DE, and he’s there when we pick, then yeah, they should make the move.
For 3-4 Brockers > Still
And it’s not even close.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
Probably so...
I wouldn’t say it’s not close, but I would agree.
In no way am I saying they’ll take Still…never have. Just saying that DL is a real possibility.
Always is with Pioli it seems.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know about all that
Did Still play with an entire defensive line filled with NFL talent?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
You could make the argument
But it doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny, Gordon is an unknown too and could not be back next year, bailey/rookie never have had a single snap in a base 3-4 KC package.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
The #11 or #12 pick in the draft
You aren’t taking to be a bit player, even as a rookie.
They wouldn’t do it if they don’t think he can start…again, I’m not saying they will…but I’m sure the plan would be to lean on Still.
Only a bit player the first year
Hed probably start 3 downs after he learns the game, plus with the rookie payscale that sort of thinking is moot.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Has nothing to do with salary
Has everything to do with the number of team needs.
Which wed have one In sub-packages with Gilberry leaving
Which we run as much as base packages so he wouldn’t really be a bit player.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
If we don't trade back...
Our 1st round pick will be expected to play more than half the snaps.
1 of 3 of Pioli’s first round picks have started from the beginning, and that 1 punched a brick wall.
Weird take.
Jax and Berry started their entire rookie seasons. 2nd season, not so much. Baldwin could hardly be considered the Day 1 starter they were hoping and expecting him to be.
would of ≠ would've
Mine or his?
My point is simply that we will expect our 1st round pick at #11 to be a major contributor/starter. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Maybe we'll get really really really lucky and Stanzi will show ridiculous development
And our depth chart goes 1) Stanzi 2) Cassel
Hey, I’m reaching here. Give me a break.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
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