2009 Coaching Class Is Looking Worse
by Joel Thorman on Jan 17, 2012 2:27 PM CST
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PrintLooking at the numbers, NFL teams aren't very good at hiring coaches. We know the Oakland Raiders are good for a coaching change every other year or so but the 2009 hiring season in particular looks really, really brutal.
There were 11 head coaches hired that year, including Todd Haley by the Chiefs. Of those 11, only two still have their jobs. The latest was Jim Caldwell of the Indianapolis Colts.
Those new head coaches that are now gone include Haley, Tom Cable, Mike Singletary, Steve Spagnuolo, Raheem Morris, Eric Mangini, Josh McDaniels and Jim Mora.
2009 seems like a lifetime ago with some of these guys. Jim Mora? I forgot he was the head coach in Seattle for a year. Haley, Spagnuolo and Morris at least lasted until this season.
The two guys from the 2009 coaching class that are still alive include Rex Ryan of the New York Jets and Jim Schwartz of the Detroit Lions.
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Ryan has 1 more year with the Jets.
All that brash talk has got to produce a winner or they wont put up with the talk much longee.
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
Sober (again) since January 10th, 2011.
by nateforchiefs on Jan 17, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Unless they get Peyton
I don’t think it will happen, but that’s the only way Rex saves his job. Another year with Sanchez, and he’s gone.
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 17, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yup
The coaching change that threw me a bit this year was Hue Jackson. As much as I hate the Raiders, got to say that he was a decent coach (if a terrible interim GM). Guess he really couldn’t get along with his new boss. Kind of wouldn’t mind seeing him coaching the Chiefs offense next season.
Agreed-- the Ryan implosion has already started.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Very few teams that got quality that
Green Bay are probably the only team that got multiple quality players out of that draft.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 17, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Between the piss poor draft class that year and having no offseason this year that doesn't surprise me.
Two huge hurdles to overcome especially for first time head coaches.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 17, 2012 2:37 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about anybody else but the Eric Mangini failure is a head scratcher?
When I see the guy on ESPN he seems to be very intelligent and is able to really demonstrate what teams have done in terms of scheme, coverages, etc. He clearly can identify strengths and weaknesses and knows who the play makers are.
Was he just not a motivator?
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 17, 2012 2:39 PM CST reply actions
That would be my guess
Because when I see Rex Ryan on TV, he seems like an idiot, but he managed to keep his job…
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 17, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Front Office didn't like him
He didn’t coach the west coast and that is what Homgren wants.
His team was getting better.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldnt hate it if we hired him as DC
Seems like a bright defensive guy but just not a head coach. Although you could say the same about Romeo, which is why it’s key that these two coordinator jobs and assistant HC job is filled with the right guys.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 17, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Probably right.
It’s all very strange. I look at Caughlin with the Giants, and his head was being asked for at one time. And now they may very likely go to another Super Bowl. I am growing more and more convinced it is a combination of HC and assistants (OC/DC and others) that has to be just right. Because if it’s not that then that means any swinging dick could do it.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Latter is correct.
Jon Gruden has a fucking ring.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Mangini gets along with the Hoodie tree very well anymore.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
At least Hoodie didn't shake a finger at him.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Go big
Or go home.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 17, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
He said Tomlin was right to play Ben in that 49ers game.
If he made those kinds of decisions on a daily basis, then it’s no wonder he got fired.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Actually he indicated Tomlin was right to play Ben in that game IF the purpose was to get in as a Division winner rather than Wild Card.
And at that time they were or thought they could.
by BCRavenJHawkfan on Jan 17, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Plenty of people thought otherwise before the game, and have been proven correct in hindsight.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think that call could go either way
Ben finds way to win
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 17, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Not that day. And not against the Tebows, which is where the real failure happened.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Playing in punt block formation finally caught up to the Steelers in OT
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
I think he's an excellent analyst.
I enjoy his calm demeanor whenever he’s on the Mike & Mike show in the mornings. He seems like a very bright individual who just lacked the motivation and intensity to make it as an NFL head coach.
I actually dont like him because of that
he seems to have a Beaver Cleaver quality to him. Any time anybody questions whether a player is good or not it seems like hes saying “gee golly Wally, its not Tims fault he threw 6 int and only had 3 completions to the right team” He just seems TOO nice and he has a slight lisp thats annoying to me. Its not in the Lou Holtz, Mike Mayock level where you can laugh at it its in that slight level that make you feel sad for him.
-Kool Aid drinking Cassel Believer-
(7-9) My record of picking Chiefs games before the season
(12-4) My Chiefs before the season prediction
Thunder Win-Loss 2011-2012 record (52-14)
Western division champs
NBA Champs over Miami Heat
I enjoy his Beaver Cleaver attitude.
There’s a ton of passionate people on sports networks. Golic, Bayless, Herm, Ditka, Berman, Chucky, just to name a few. I like seeing the very clean-cut, well-thought out responses from Mangini. I’d absolutely hate him as a TV announcer, but I think he does a great job as an analyst.
My guess
is that the front office in Cleveland prior to Holmgren was terrible. The only three players worth anything I can still remember from that era are Braylon Edwards, Eric Steinbach and signing LeCharles Bentley (who had his career ruined in Cleveland from staph infections).
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Staph Infections
He wasn’t the only player there to have issues with them. Joe Jurevicis had problems there too and about three others as I recall. The front office then spent a lot of time trying to convince everyone that the fact that they had multiple players with staph infections didn’t mean staph infections were a problem. So yeah, there’s a reason nobody was lining up to go to Cleveland.
Well, at least we had one of the better hires in 2009.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 17, 2012 3:07 PM CST reply actions
Dre Kirkpatrick busted for Marijuana.
Just thought this was interesting with Carr’s future with the Chiefs in doubt.
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 3:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Like Pioli's worried about a little weed.... Justin Houston anyone?
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 17, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
People saw what we did with Houston. This might actually boost his draft stock.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
A little sarcasm never hurt anybody.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
My point exactly.
I wouldn’t want to lose Carr and replace him with Kirkpatrick in the first… but the second? Hmmm…
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 3:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Not surprised seeing as how your name is "bamachief"
Still wouldn’t do it, you don’t get rid of your known commodities for unknown, especially since Carr is still young, if he was finishing up his 2nd contract then I would agree
nvm
Misread your comment.
Yes, I too would take him in the 2nd, with or without Carr, would rather be with Carr
Haha yeah.
I’m saying I wouldn’t want him in the first. As a Bama fan ;)
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ha yeah
I would’ve understood that otherwise…
BTW, as a Bama fan, how would you feel about Barron as a Chief if could get him after trading back to the back of the 1st or somehow in the 2nd?
I’d love to get him, with all the 3 Safety sets that Romeo uses
I like Barron, but...
… not for us in the first round. We have much more immediate needs. I think Rashad Johnson was more of a playmaker than Barron, and I’m personally wary of defensive backs coming out of Saban’s system. I think they’re generally good prospects who are overhyped.
The prospects out of Alabams I’d be mist comfortable with in the 1st are Trent Richardson and Dont’a Hightower.
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 3:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mmmmm, gimme some Hightower...
Does that dude have any smarts? Who made the defensive play calls for that team?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Kirby Smart is the D coordinator.
I have to assume Saban has a hand in the playcalling, though I’m not entirely sure.
Yeah, I think Hightower is a good player and not an idiot like Upshaw. Hightower became the man on that D after Rolando McClain went pro.
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Michael Merrit ain't
that’s for damn sure…
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Yeah, but the funny thing is
2 of those were being talked about as HC of the year all last year, Haley, and Morris
What the heck happened to Morris? I don't keep up with the Bucs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He lost like 10 of his last 10 games
and got chop-socky’d
The Redskins hired him to coach their d-bags… I mean d-backs.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 17, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but I mean why did it turn south so badly?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
"Because the Vatican is trying to steal my jars of pee."
by KeyboardGato on Jan 17, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I have to rec that shit.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 17, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Goes hand in hand with the 2009 draft class.
2009 sucked ass.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Has anyone ever heard of Jerry Rice trying to get into coaching?
He was on ESPN this afternoon and man, he’s got the fundamentals down. He was pretty critical of the way Michael Crabtree catches footballs and why he has so many drops. I figure with Rice being the best WR ever and possibly the most technical, attention-to-detail player I’ve ever seen, he should be able to pass that on to other players. Of course I’m not talking OC-type of stuff, but what about WR coach? Our guys have all the physical skills, but could be a little sharper on their routes and while the drops have decreased, they’re still there.
Chiefs do need a WR coach.
Having fired their last one and all. I’d think the next OC would have a lot of input into that hire, though.
assistant coaches
are the strength of the league. so many get HC chances but its such a crap shoot, and they dont get enough time to turn things around. then….they go back to being very good coordinators. where have all the great HCs gone?
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
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