Statement from Chiefs PR on why Scott Pioli wasn't quoted in Arrowhead Anxiety: "The majority of the employees were on the business side and they report to (Team President) Mark Donovan so we felt he was most appropriate to answer the questions."
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Didn't Mark Donovan work at Disney?
So could we say this is a “Mickey Mouse” way to run an organization?
by Chief Willie Wildcat on Jan 17, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Double M is a bad mofo.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Did I miss discussion on Bob Gretz's take on the story?
Pretty interesting.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 10:37 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Its a giant conspiracy!!!!
Independent Bob Gretz is in on it
610 is in on it
810, 610s fucking rival, is in on it
KC Star is probably leading it
ESPN (via Jeff Chadiha) is in on it
Sports Illustrated (via Jim “not Super Wolf” Trotter) is in on it
Alone they are weak but when they combine their forces they will take down a local GM. Long standing competition will not stand in the way of one common goal, to take down Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Conspiracy about what?
They’re all relying on and reporting on one story that says one guy thought he could have been spied on and his personal phone may have been tapped.
No one has anything beyond the speculation in that story. And if they’re simply ASSUMING what is speculated on is true, this just confirms how much BS our media spews out every day.
So maybe you need to clarify something?
Well thats just not true
They’re all relying on and reporting on one story
Jim Trotter, a national media member with no local ties, said he had talked to Chiefs employees who told him the same things that Babb had heard. That the Arrowhead work environment is one of intimidation and bullying.
The KC Star sports page has a long track record of launching succusful sports writters. From Joe Posnanski to Whitlock to Wright Thompson to Jeff Passan. They don’t just do a good job, they do the best job.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Trotter and Babb claim to have both talked to curent employees
The quotes from Ray Farmer were pretty damning. People being affriad of eating lunch together?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
No it isn't.
He says Pioli has attention to detail…that’s probably in reference to the candy wrapper thing. And he says it’s a good thing, so you have a strange way of reading something ‘damning’ out of that. And guess what, if I’m going to talk crap about my boss or where I work, I don’t do it loudly either.
What a way to read a nonsensical interpretation into what was written.
And I'm not saying Pioli is perfect, or a peach to work for.
I probably wouldn’t like working for him. But that doesn’t mean it’s wrong or illegal. It just means some people used to the Carl way think Pioli is a big meanie.
More confirmation that this is a non-freaking-story.
Its not illegal but it shows how fucked up and misplaced this administration's priorities are
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
There's a difference between detail and accountability, and purposefully creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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I'm not laughing
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No......
I don’t think so…………we just have a difference of opinion
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Which I have no issue with.
I then simply joked about it because I notice we often have a difference of opinion, to which you seemed to take offense at.
earlier..................
you took offense with my politics of not liking who you liked in the presidential race
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Maybe Ups can refresh your memory
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I could take offense at his ideology being criticized
or him being made fun of for it.
But otherwise I’ll debate the ideas.
Which is pretty ambiguous and up for personal interpretation.
One side, mostly fired ex employees, say they were mentally abused (boo hoo cry weep) and the other side says they are trying to bring accountability and attention to detail to an organization that was lacking it and had gotten too soft (do I have to cite Kevin Harlan again?).
So yes, there is a difference, but nothing has been proven. IF the Chiefs truly are doing that, it may be a jerk thing to do, but it’s not illegal. If they’re doing it, why anyone still works there is beyond me.
Poor Romeo, who’s been there three years, must just be totally oblivious.
Yeah, one of the NFL's best DCs in the past fifteen years
must not be very bright, huh?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
And at this rate the only people that will work for Pioli
are those who have a long standing history. Nothing guarantees success like unnecessarily limiting your options.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
So he's such an asshole, the only people who'll work with him are ones who have worked with him before....
Ummmm…..I think my brain needs some lunch.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yes, people who are either used to it or actually believe its an effective form of management
How have all those Belichick castoffs done without Bill so far?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Well let's see:
Pioli took a 2-14 team to 10-6 and a division title in two years.
Dimitroff has turned the Falcons into a perennial playoff team.
Not too shabby.
Well let's see:
Pioli continues to cling to the idea that Cassel is a worthwhile NFL QB and failed to fix the offensive line, which has been a problem for longer than he’s been the GM.
Dimitroff traded the farm to move up to get Julio Jones, who was supposed to be the missing link, yet still got their asses trounced in the first round of the playoffs again this year.
Improvements? NIEN!!!!
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Stay on task
Polo has made improvements and has addressed needs for this team every preseason he has been the GM. Please don’t show your true colors so easily. Your hated for Pioli because he didn’t draft or sign the exact players you wanted has nothing to do with this current situation.
Its like clockwork that a story like this just brings out in force those who didn’t like Pioli to begin with, like it justifies their dislike for Pioli.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 17, 2012 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's a blurry line, though.
Not only do none of us know the facts about this because none of us work there….but it probably wouldn’t even matter if we DID know the “facts.” You and I could both work there, and you might think it’s a horrible place while I wouldn’t see anything wrong with it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Define
Atmosphere of fear and intimidation.
Fear of losing your job?
Fear of being spied on?
Intimidation of getting hurt, fired, sued, death?
Exactly what is this fear and intimidation that is being felt, everyone keeps saying that and somehow I doubt people are slinking about Arrowhead in pure fear of their personal safety.
I’m sure if they do their jobs and fill their quotas, they will have nothing to fear.
Scott Pioli shouldn’t be tapping people personal phones… but the only people I have ever seen worry about their personal lines being tapped are folks that are cracked out. Granted this situation is different than that kind of paranoia.
I don’t know, this whole thing is getting way out of hand.
Meh...
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Fear of being caught going to lunch with a coworker
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Why is that a big deal?
So workers are worried they are going to get fired for eating with other members of Arrowhead.
What were the circumstances, where they ordered not to associate in the building as well?
Were they told not to have lunch with members of the media?
Or was this just a tactic at trying to keep Chiefs rumors in house and going overboard?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
HIV
It’s not that I agree with the lunacy an weird things that are happening at Arrowhead. It’ll all get ironed out.
I just hate the timing of this, because it could have waited.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Because it shows misplaced priorities
Just like this administration showed misplaced priorities by not giving 300 lb men adequately sized beds at training camp. This admin simply isn’t focused on the things that matter and that is unnerving.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I get that side of it
But we still shouldn’t over blow this fear thing, that part of it is being ridiculously over played. These people work for a professional sports team… whatever.
This whole situation is a mess, an unnecessary mess two weeks ago, but it is a mess now that needs to be cleaned up.
I just find it funny that things were going okay so the KC media decided to create a story just to have turmoil and sell trees.
Who is the new GM gonna be HIV?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Give Marty complete control
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He may get that in Tampa, but I doubt it.
I will say it is ridiculous that Pioli is worried about things that don’t matter out at Arrowhead.
I want a GM that eats, breathes, sleeps and shits football. I thought that was what we were getting.
Personally, I don’t doubt that Pioli spends the majority of his time working on building this team… but I doubt it more than I did before this garbage came out.
Bob Gretz seems to think this is more at the feet of Clark Hunt.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
WORD.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
All that said
it still isn’t right if employees aren’t even allowed to have lunch together because they work in different areas of Arrowhead. That’s segregation at it’s finest.
Trust me, I get what both of you guys are saying. I think Pioli has taken some of this stuff a bit far, from everything I’ve read. And people think Haley was the paranoid one…
No it is actually the definition of
SEPERATION… Segregation would be if one department employed only members of a particular race or creed and they were not allowed to associate with other departments that employed people of a different race or creed.
What's even better
is that you misspelled “separation”.
Anyway, nice try with the parsing of words. True, separation may have been a better word, but segregation appropriate as in the business side of things is being set apart from the football side of things.
Wow, the semantics police are out in full force today, it seems.
Btw
Race and creed are not the only means by which segregation occurs…but I’m sure you already knew that.
You are right I did mispell sepAration
I guess that nullifies my point? And I was simply referring to the Webster’s definition so I guess you could find a more reliable source for the definition of a word. Not to mention that segregation is illegal so that would be a matter that would need to be brought through the justice system if it were indeed being practiced at 1 Arrowhead Dr.
I know this is posted a bit late, and you will probably never see this
but are you really bringing up the bed thing again? When I went to boot camp, I was 6’2" and weighed around 200 lbs. I don’t fit on a twin bed, but that is what they gave me. Guess what, to this day that bed is the most comfortable bed I have ever slept on. Know why? Because I was tired. I worked my ass off all day, and didn’t care what kind of mattress they gave me as long as I got to sleep on it. These guys need to be going to training camp to work. Not to get a nice long night of rest. Quit being such a bitch
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Without a past, we have no future.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 17, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
From the Gretz story...
When he first became the man in charge after the death of his father and started putting his imprint on the organization, Hunt told one of his executives: "I want my employees to wake up every morning afraid that it would be their last day on the job." Hunt believed this approach of fear is what would motivate his people to great success.
We can argue about whether Gretz is full of it, or even if this may be a useful management tactic, but if this is true can we agree that wanting your employees to be “afraid” upon waking every morning can be considered “creating an atmosphere of fear and intimidation”?
Jerry Rice
at his HoF speech said that he got there because he was afraid. Fear of failure is a great motivator.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Right. Your comment falls under the first part of what I said...
We can argue… if this may be a useful management tactic
If we are agreed that if what Gretz quote is true that this constitutes an environment of fear, then we can discuss the positives and negatives of this tactic.
You are completely correct that fear of failure is a great motivator. However, Jerry Rice’s personal fear of failure is an intrinsic motivator in which the drive to succeed is internal and self-perpetuating. Creating this is incredibly important, but I don’t think—again, assuming it is true—that the type of fear we are discussing creates that drive. This fear is external and involves negative reinforcement, and so is an extrinsic motivator. The problem with using fear as an extrinsic motivator, in the way the Chiefs may be, is that people tend to flee away from or fight against the system that creates that fear.
Creating a positive and supportive system in which success is duly rewarded and failure is met with (usually mild) punishment builds a fear of failure extrinsically as well, but the difference is that sense of fear is only attached to the failure itself and not the mere participation in the system.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that would explain some of Haley's actions
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The problem is that we don't know if 1 Arrowhead is a "scary" place.
And like I’ve said to others…you and I could both work there for years and still disagree on whether it is a scary place.
A strict boss with high standards can be seen as scary, or as a challenge. In a competitive industry, I think Pioli probably prefers people who see his demands as a challenge rather than something to run away from.
A rewards system creates fear just as easily as a punishment system. Either way, a person is afraid of losing something.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Yeah...
The problem is that we don’t know if 1 Arrowhead is a “scary” place.
Which is why every one of my comments is littered with caveats, like “if this is true” and “assuming this is the case.”
A rewards system creates fear just as easily as a punishment system. Either way, a person is afraid of losing something.
That is exactly what I just said, only without the detail. However, a person’s reaction to that fear is different in different systems of motivation. Not just because of personal interpretation of the system, but because of constraints inherent in the system itself.
My argument is that if these stories are accurate, which they very well may not be, then Hunt and Pioli are creating systems of motivation that have been shown to be ineffective and damaging to the organization.
Sorry, I just don't see it.
The only complaint that I’d say shows unequivocal badness is Haley saying his personal phone might be bugged. As for the rest, even if it’s all true, I disagree that management style is universally ineffective. There’s a much more hardass management style being used very effectively right on the other side of those closed shades.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Sounds like the only people who felt fear and intimidation
were the ones who couldn’t be found accountable enough. When cutbacks happen anywhere, the ones who start feeling fear are the ones who know they are easily replaceable. If any of these people let go by the Chiefs were such an invaluable resource to the team, they should have no trouble finding employment with another organization.
by CapsLockKey on Jan 17, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
What was said or written anywhere that make you think that?
Sounds like the only people who felt fear and intimidation were the ones who couldn’t be found accountable enough.
You do know a lot of the “fear and intimidation” stories came from current employees.
Also, the organization provide people for interviews that must take place with a monitor from the PR department and that’s not intimidation?
by NJ Chiefs Fan on Jan 17, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
It is a story whether you like it or not................
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Not it isn't.
You called it a nonstory because you believe it is not newsworthy. Either you literally believe that, in which case it is not figurative, or you do not, in which case you used the word “nonstory” incorrectly.
I used it figuratively in the sense that I think it's not newsworthy.
CLEARLY it is a story in the literal sense that it was written down in a newspaper and people are talking about it
Don’t be a jerk.
He is not being a jerk.......
he is making a point in which you disagree with
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No, he's trying to make me look stupid by saying that either I meant it one way or the other
when I meant it a third way.
We call that a false dilemma in logical fallacy terms.
Now we're a victim!!!
Aiken fucking wannbe
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Oh woe is me.
Why are you even getting into it with me when it was between me and the other guy?
Unless you’re sockpuppeting…
Hard to take a guy seriously who is claiming everyone at Arrowhead is a victim of the evil Pioli/Hunt
and then wants to get on me for calling someone out on a bogus interpretation of what I said.
I think HIV stands for Hypocrisy is very cool or something…
I'm getting the impression that you don't know what hypocritical means
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
No, I'm not trying to make you look stupid.
A “nonstory” is something considered to be not newsworthy. That is what you meant, and how you used the word. When asked to defend how you felt it was not newsworthy, you claimed you were using “figurative language”, which you were not. Figurative means nonliteral or metaphorical, but you literally meant what you said (that it is a nonstory). I created no false dilemma. I just wish people on this blog would explain the reasoning their opinions instead of just stating them. I don’t even necessarily disagree with you, but you shouldn’t deflect questions by falsely claiming to be nonliteral.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank You...........
Again
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I'm not really on either side here, but...
Arguing whether someone is using the word ‘figuratively’ correctly is pretty petty. Argue your points all you want, but constantly attacking each other’s linguistic skills just makes everyone mad and doesn’t accomplish anything.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
"I don’t think that’s ever been an issue for me. I know that people have done it," Farmer said. "They don’t want to be seen going with this person or that person. I understand — I hate to say this — I understand the process that some people felt they needed to take, but again, I never kind of adhered to that behavior."
Sounds like a great work environment. Maybe Pioli should be more concerned with finding a replacement for Sabby instead of who is eating together.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Who you eat lunch with wins football games, not the play of your safety
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
The safety who helped shut down the Broncos?
Something that Polamalu and company couldn’t do?
I’m just sayin’…
Too late.
You are now officially in the Sabby fan club. Might as well add it to you sig.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You must not be a Mizzou fan.
We’ve had the-man-screws-us-little-people-constantly lasik.
by u2nspenserfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How about the abusive workplace limits the pool of prospective talented employee glasses?
Just like that right 53 bullshit limits the pool of prospective players.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
The first didn't grow nearly as much as the second
until I see more progress, I’m not sure how I feel about Baldwin…other than he’s tall and was taken in the 1st round and is thus a potential bust.
Remember these commercials?
Not every body wants to work in a whoopty-doo environment, either.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
reporters are infallible!
they never make mistakes!
they never let bias into their articles!
they never get sound bites for pre-written stories regardless of context!
no reporter for any media has ever been wrong in the history of the world!
wow, dealing in extremes is fun!
And I'm not going to pay a second rate blogger when I get much better content here.
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by bossmanham on Jan 17, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with you, but...
there are ways to read it for free.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think the discussion has taken place yet.
Unless, what you consider above is “discussion.”
Somebody here posted the text of Gretz story on the “Arrowhead Anxiety.” I know a lot of people around here greatly dislike Gretz, but I would still be useful to discuss his take, especially since he backs most of Babb’s story and claims to have additional testimonials.
The most troubling aspect for me is this quote:
When he first became the man in charge after the death of his father and started putting his imprint on the organization, Hunt told one of his executives: “I want my employees to wake up every morning afraid that it would be their last day on the job.” Hunt believed this approach of fear is what would motivate his people to great success.
I’ve talked a bit about it above. Basically, if this is true—and that is a big if—then there is a serious problem, because this goes beyond creating a culture intolerant of failure to creating a hostile work environment that few would want to participate in.
by Chernabog on Jan 17, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is trouble some for me too.................
not only as a fan of this team but as a human who wants to be treated with respect
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You deserve respect as a human being,
but that doesn’t entitle you to immunity from criticism if you do a poor job.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No one is suggesting that anyone should be immune from criticism.
In fact, everyone here is advocating accountability and attention to detail. If this story is true then the Chiefs have created a system that is so intolerant of the slightest mistakes that people paralyzed out of fear of simply being human.
Again, I'm not arguing about whether or not these ex-employees are telling the truth.
I’m pretty sure they are all probably honestly saying how they feel. Which is why you get some employees who say that it’s not bad….
That phrase “being human” really narrows things down. When somebody hears that, their natural tendency is to assume “he’s talking about me.” I seriously doubt that the work environment THIS particular human finds comfortable would be quite the same as LadyChief’s ideal work environment….but at the same time, I recognize that the environment she prefers is just as valid as the type that I prefer.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
nice, was wondering if that's what you where talking about, I actually posted that on Reddit
Also liked this quote
It matches what his father-in-law Bill Parcells told a few people with the organization when Pioli was hired; that his son-in-law didn’t like people around who didn’t agree with him.
Awesome. Thanks for posting that on that on Reddit.
I gave you an upvote.
Clark Hunt
is pretending to care more about winning for Kansas City Fans and Franchise than making money. The Hunts have not overseen a great or successful football side of the operation for 40 years yet they’ve made tons and tons of money. They trusted football fool Steadman for decades- he was an accountant lawyer type who made them money by the wheelbarrow full and pranced about the sidelines like the Duke of Windsor. Then the guy from Notre Dame I think, I’m too old to remember that G.M’s name, he was under Steadman’s thumb and likewise incompetent. Then Carl who couldn’t run a tough or balanced football operation but continued to fill the seats for Hunt enterprises and reap big profits. Now Pioli who has yet to prove himself football savy without the great genius Billichek running the Pats operation.
The common denominator of on the field failure at crunch time is the Hunt family. Something is wrong with their ability to lead other than financially
Winning = Money
It’s not one or the other. Nothing makes money better than winning. Ticket sales go up, merchandising goes up, etc.
Dude's holding a grudge against not just Clark, but Lamar. For being cheap. The guy who started the frickin AFL.....
And he’s apparently been holding this grudge against all logic for about fifty years. Makes me wonder why I bother to even try to reason with any humans.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or maybe
Pioli is doing his job managing the Chiefs and evaluating prospects. I believe there is some sort of draft coming up? And a few minor scouting events in the next week?
I’d rather Pioli turn his attention to football operations like evaluating talent then some non-story about pissed off former employees and a former coach who mentioned something to a reporter that didn’t materialize into anything.
Babb said he talked to a number of current employees who say the same
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
He also said
he talked to a number of current and former employees who said there was nothing wrong, it was just a different management style. I guess just disregard those interviews?
When we already know Pioli is secretive and demanding and has the ego issue
then he has current and former employees saying they think they are being spied on to the point that they can’t even eat lunch together, he should want to defend himself.
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
Hammerfisting my own balls since 2006
Why?
So that when he defends himself, people like you can say “Look at the big bully continuing to bully his weak little former employees and employees even after they complained about him. What a bad, bad man.”
The smart thing for Pioli to do is to continue to go about his business of managing the Chiefs: searching for an OC, evaluating his FAs and other FAs, trying to sign whatever FAs from his roster he wants to keep, and evaluating draft prospects.
Why let some he-said-she-said story get in the way of your work? If he was doing anything illegal, then these complainers have recourse through the legal system. One group of people are trying that. Let’s see what happens with their claim. If he wasn’t doing anything illegal, then he’s permitted to manage the organization as he pleases. If people don’t like it, then they either can quit or not submit a resume to the Chiefs.
If the Chiefs show progress next season like they did in 2010, then we’ll be hearing stories about how Pioli turned the Chiefs around. If we see further regression next season, Pioli will likely be gone.
Reply fail.
They actually ARE an owner and gm of a team. Whether they’re competent or not is up for debate, I’m sure, but this story from the star doesn’t prove anything either way.
I assume you mean they are incompetent?
How so? By winning the division after being 2-14 two years before? By nearly repeating as division champs this season, in spite of the injuries? (which would have been a first in the entire history of the Chiefs, BTW)
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Did Babb let them know the kinds of accusations finger-pointing being made though?
I’m curious how much effort he actually put into getting a hold of Pioli for this. He clearly did a whole lot of work, but Pioli’s absence from the article given his recent spate of interviews seems odd to me. I don’t know…maybe I’m just jaded by years of jaundiced Chiefs coverage from KC Media, but aspects of this whole story don’t feel right.
So if Donavon was the one all the disgruntled people reported to, why does Babb point the finger at Pioli and not Donovan.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
I think Donovan reports to Pioli
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think that Donovan should have been they guy Babb pointed to, but to interview Donovan and say we didn't talk to Pioli becasue this is Donavans responsibility is a cop out.
It is fine they pointed at Pioli, but if you do you better talk to him, and not somebody else. The statement was they chose to speak to Donovan instead of Pioli, not that Pioli refused to talk top them so Donovan did.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
What I got from this Parkins twit is that Chiefs PR department chose to put Donovan out for the interview instead of Pioli.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Donovan is the President of the team.
The only person he reports to is Hunt. If people want to point fingers about all of this, it needs to be at Clark Hunt.
by CapsLockKey on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
More recognizable name in Kansas City
and because the blinds were drawn for the practices, it makes it seem like Scott Pioli has final say everything on both sides?
Who knows?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Bingo.
A headline with Pioli’s name will sell a lot more papers than one with Donovan’s name. Probably also a big part of why Chiefs PR let Donovan do the interview instead of Pioli.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Well I am happy that the Kansas City BabbStar sold more newspapers and
Nick Wright had a few extra listeners because of this stuff.
Never mind that the Star will be out of business soon or that Nick Wright will eventually be fired/replaced from 610 like the last 453 hosts of the afternoon show.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Per 610 afternoon show
The last host quit, on air nonetheless, and proceeded to get straight paid by Fox Sports.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wasn't Chris and Cowboy the last host?
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I thought it was Whitlock
who quit and then Nick Wright slid from 2 o’clock to 4 o’clock
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Nothey have been through a few hosts since Whiltock
Remember Neal Jones?
They had a couple others too.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Neal Jones goes way way back
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
So does Whiltlock's history with 610 and 810
it doesn’t change the idea that they will replace Nick Wright again at some point sooner rather than later IMO.
But I see your point, Nick will move on to greener pastures.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
If Pioli is interviewed, someone could possibly infer from his nonsensical encrypted speech that he is infact an egomaniac, bordering on sociopathic. Or, the complete opposite could be drawn.
Regardless, the Chiefs prefer not to let their “Chosen One” answer any tough questions regarding the climate which he has created within the confines of Arrowhead (much like the Democrats refuse to let their “Chosen One” answer any tough questions about the climate he has created…). This makes it look dicey at best, but give Pioli plausible deniability or renders everything as hearsay.
Missed my point.
Regardless of what Pioli says, his name would be in the headline. That would attract much more attention and commentary than Donovan’s name. Count the number of comments in these threads with “Pioli” in the text, and then count the number of “Donovan” comments.
Keeping Pioli out of it is just an attempt to downplay the story. Pioli could give the most glowing and honest sounding speech since the last Tebow talk, and people would still say “It’s Pioli, he lies, remember Spygate?”
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
If it was true and they did illegal things.
Did any of these employees contact authorities on these illegal activities or contact a work \ labor commision or something.
Did Haley give his personal cell to authorities for investigation. Or is everyone looking to sue and get a payday?
If that many people felt it was illegal i am sure the authorities can investigate and even get a warrant to look around. Unless there is no story other than It sucks to work there.
I think there is a couple pending leagl litigations with ex employees.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Age discrimination is the only one I know about.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Is this going to be all the off-season talk now?
Just drafts, free agents, and big brother/paranoia? Well, here’s my two cents, and then I bow out of this discussion:
I totally get it – if these people work under a dark cloud every day, and a job that used to be cool and fun is now not really either anymore, I can understand why these people are upset – especially if they were subsequently fired. Their statements almost certainly hold a lot of truth, but I’m sure the statements on the flip side hold some a lot of truth too – there probably was a need for more accountability. There often is in a workplace. I’ve been on both sides – I’ve been micromanaged and ‘big brother’-ed to the point that I found a new job, and conversely I’ve been part of a team that had to set some real accountability in place where there really hadn’t been any.
There is a fine balance to making sure there is accountability and at the same time making your organization a place where good people want to work. I’m at the job I’m at now because they have a reputation for treating employees with respect, rewarding good performance and not micromanaging – yet they are a prosperous business that has experienced significant growth because of the efficiency of operation. I had job offers closer to home and friends that I didn’t even consider because I was familiar with an organization’s reputation for cutthroat practices. Having this perspective, the main concern I have with the story is not to what degree it’s true – it’s whether this will cause us to lose out on talented behind-the-scenes personnel. I hope not.
my two cents...
Unless any of us work there, guess what, it is none of our business. When did all of us care so much about how things get done as long as they get done? I could honestly care less as long as this teams start winning, if they don’t win, get someone else in there…
by kcchiefsfan on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I didn't mean to comment, but Ups gets under my skin.
He wants 1 Arrowhead run like a hippie commune, and that just can’t happen in Stanzi’s America.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO..
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
A lot of this just sounds like lazy people who couldn't adjust to a boss who expected a lot more.
The thing is that there also seem be plenty of employees who don’t have any problems. Just sayin’.
by bamachief5558 on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile reply actions
did anybody see Jack Harry
talking about how some people thought Peterson was bugging meeting rooms when he first took over the Chiefs and how he went to the different stations trying to get certain people fired?
I only heard it second hand, I did not see/hear him talk about it.
I mentioned this in the other thread so I'll paraphrase here
Until I hear players coming out and talking about how much this was screwing up their ability to perform this year and how it was a distraction on and off the field, I’m not going to get too worked up about it.
Yes impacting coaches can indirectly influence players – but it depends on the degree to which they allow that to happen and if they are open with the players about the situation. If they (coaches) let it influence them in that regard then that’s their problem and they’re at fault for allowing it to impact their game.
Have we heard a player say – “you know, I think we could have won that game vs. Pittsburgh if only the coaches didn’t spend the first 20 minutes of every meeting looking for secret microphones…. and they kept using code-words when speaking to us and made us use sign-language – it was a real distraction”.
Of course some of this sounds fishy and secretive and like stuff we wouldn’t want to deal with. But honestly, if this isn’t rattling the cages of the players, then I’m inclined to not give a flying fuck.
Here we go again
Don’t you all realize that you’re just going over the same exact talking points for over two days now? In my opinion, this story only does three things.
1) Be interpreted in a way that gives validity to those that didn’t give Pioli a chance from day one.
2) Be interpreted in a way that validates those who hate the media.
3) Deters us all, or at least I hope since we’re on AP, from the real matter at hand which is football. There are so many offseason things to talk about, offensive coordinator search, re-signing players, free agency, the draft, and also Pioli’s performance on the football side of things. Yet this piece of crap is all we want to talk about. AP is better than this.
by old_school on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
+1 for you sir
Will be glad when this is no longer the flavor of the moment.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a great talking point:
Why the hell does Pioli… sorry, Scott…. have any say in how things are run on the business side when all he’s supposed to be handling is the football side? “The employees are mostly on the business side (under Donovan).” Yet, somehow Pioli has some power over that side of the organization?
Or, maybe its that all of this crap begins and ends with Clark “Mr. Goldman-Sachs” Hunt. Perhaps this is who Hunt is. He’s not Lamar. He’s a full pendulum swing away from what Lamar was. Maybe Hunt hired this guy because they are like twins. They both think the same things.
The saying goes… “These aren’t your grandfather’s….”
No, they certainly aren’t. Because my grandfather would do one of two things… he’d never hear this stuff or he’d go cheer for another team. My money is on cheering for another team. Which is just sad.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
So.....
This he said she said story is going to make you cheer for another team?
by KCinIL on Jan 17, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, the sad fact that this franchise seems more interested in candywrappers than championships that will make me cheer for another team...
It’s not just about THIS story. It’s about every story related to dysfunction within the organization that we’ve heard about since just after Hunt took over and Pioli was hired. It’s all getting ridiculously tiresome. And it’s producing nothing except disinterested fans. If it was producing playoff wins… then nobody would be caring about the non-football stories. Because all you’d have to say is: They are producing results. Fans won’t care what is going on.
Besides… I didn’t say I was going to cheer for another team. I suggested that my grandfather would have.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 17, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus, that candywrapper was a damned effective demagogue-ish device.
The entire multi-billion dollar franchise is more interested in keeping litter out of their stairwells than in serving the purpose for which they exist……………OR, Pioli used a candy wrapper as an allegory for how he wanted everyone to pay better attention to detail. Pick one.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Apparently you can't have a Championship team AND pay attention to detail.
God forbid Pioli wants excellence and attention from all the Chiefs employees…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
NO! HE JUST WANT ALL THE CANDYWRAPPERS OFF THE GROUND NAAAOW!!!
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Don't know about you, but I'm more interested, and excited about this team than I've been in a long while.
They were division champs a year ago at this time, and the roster has gotten much, much better over the last few years. IMO, Pioli is doing a fine job. I don’t understand why people are getting all bent out of shape because he’s a boss that strives for excellence and expects the same from his employees.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Wheres the proof fans are becoming disinterested cuz of Pioli?
Don’t know about you but I’m absolutely excited about this next year.
One of my grandpas was a rail road worker, and the other was a tobacco farmer.
They would both tell Pioli’s office drones to quit their damned whining and do their damned jobs.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 17, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow,
all this bickering. Glad I’m on the fence, Because I don’t know what’s happened there., and not getting in the middle of this.
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Why should you not be worried about losing your job?
Have you ever listen to a player talk about they are afraid of losing their job? This is the same thing right? Maybe Pioli should be a workers GM, like a players coach.
I have the alcides virus
Double yawn
In actual football news the Browns seem to be in the RG3 sweepstakes.
by KCinIL on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Shit is just stupid now
Can’t wait till next week when this story dies out.
by KCinIL on Jan 17, 2012 1:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
It will resurface
like the “Right 53” and “22 guys off the street can win two games” continued to pop up.
But yeah, this will die out and we’ll focus on football soon enough. Can’t wait.
And then when the next crapfest comes along,
instead of saying “remember spygate” the sensationalists will say “remember mean boss gate.”
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hmm journalists found a way to increase traffic and cause controversy, good job Babb.
He really has done a good job of making everyone focus on something other than football when talking about a football team.
That being said these people aren’t slaves they are free to quit anytime and yet how many of them have? This job is so intimidating and fearsome that people continue to want to work hear and choose to put up with it? Then stop bitching. If you are unhappy with your job and don’t want to work there… then don’t! It’s that simple.
Also a boss who wants his employees to be afraid every day of being fired isn’t that uncommon. A lot of bosses think that it will get the best work out of your subordinates and a lot of times it will. But there are also quite a few people that hate it and refuse to respond to that tactic.
In my experience, the people who don't respond to that tactic
are the ones who KNOW they’re doing a good job already. A smart boss won’t try to intimidate those types of people once he knows them, because they’ll do like you said and not put up with it.
Well, I guess there is a second type, that being the ones who just can’t stand working for the man. And those people shouldn’t.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
not true.......
you don’t know if you’ll be next
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
"To be good is to be forgotten. I'm going to be so bad I'll always be remembered."-Theda Bara, silent film vixen
Well, you're talking about management who harasses and fires people at complete random.
I’ve seen that, and it usually doesn’t last long. Anyway, I don’t think we or Babb has established that’s the environment in the Chiefs’ offices.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Holy crap...
What have I missed the last couple of days? Haven’t been following the Chiefs much since their season has ended. WTF is going on?
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Read Kent Babb's article from sunday
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
"To be good is to be forgotten. I'm going to be so bad I'll always be remembered."-Theda Bara, silent film vixen
Just finished.
Meh. This seems like a non story to me. So this guy:

Thinks his personal cell phone was tampered with, and that the building was bugged? That’s a serious federal offense, and if there are any legs to this, then Pioli/Hunt will be in deep shit. Maybe there’s something to some monitoring going on, but that’s not uncommon in multi billion dollar businesses to have cameras and/or audio surveillance installed throughout the facilities.
Aside from that, monitoring company call logs and e-mails is done by multiple companies, in all sorts of different fields. Also, a lot of times when a business comes under new management, there is massive turnover. The article even pointed that out, when Peterson arrived there was nearly a 50% turnover rate from the old regime employees.
All I’m reading out of this is that the Chiefs changed management, and there was a mass cleansing. Of course holdovers from the Peterson regime would have been nervous. It happens all over America, every day. My guess is that there’s a middle ground in all this. No doubt the Chiefs got much more strict and are running the organization differently. No doubt some good employees got canned. It happens.
I doubt anything illegal has been done, but you never know. Until I hear about the Feds getting involved, this really is a non story, and overall just a fodder type story to publish and make a story since the season is over.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Damn, dude looks like he should take a seson off, go on vactation,
hit the Caribbean, take in some sun, fake his own death, collect the insurance, buy a sailboat, catch some tuna, drink a few mai tais. Then come back to coaching when he feels better.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Pioli wanted full control of an organization...
The team president job may be a “in name only” job. Clark wanted to split them up, but to get Pioli, he may have given him full reign on all matters. I dunno, I’m on Valium right now (for my back).
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