Reactions To The KC Star's Story On The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Jan 16, 2012 1:18 PM CST
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PrintKent Babb's story in the Kansas City Star on Sunday morning is still reverberating throughout the NFL world. Several national folks have addressed Babb's story (which you can read here) in columns and on Twitter. We've rounded up a few of those reactions after the jump.
Babb will be going on with Nick Wright on 610 Sports this afternoon where I'm sure he'll be talking more about the story.
Here's what some of the non-KC folks are saying about the story. Drop any other interesting ones you see in the comments section. I plucked some of these at random.
Whoa now. Those are very serious charges. Does Haley have proof that a federal crime has been committed and his phone was tampered with, or an office he works in has been bugged so team management could spy on him and other employees? If he has proof or something more than simple paranoia, out with it -- and expose the team for something incredibly scurrilous. If not, that's a damaging rap to lay on someone, or an organization. Haley needs to set the record straight.
Still, the turnover in the organization has been fairly epidemic, and those who have retired or have been let go seem to have a particularly sharp axe to grind - or at least that's the way things are portrayed in the piece. It's hard to know for sure what's really going on in an organization unless you're in the building every day, but this report does not augur well for a Chiefs franchise still trying to get to the next level of competition. Pioli learned a lot during his time in the New England Patriots organization, but it has to be asked - is he yet another ex-Pat who took the lessons of Bill Belichick and applied them the wrong way?
In an investigative report, the paper looks at many aspects of the front office and writes about the scared culture in Kansas City. What does it all mean?
Maybe nothing. But it is fascinating to read. Still, stories bugged phones and rampant paranoia is nothing new in the NFL. I've heard that stuff before in other buildings. It doesn't mean it happened.
The truth is, Haley and Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli didn't work well together. That's the bottom line regardless of any juicy tales of turmoil and espionage.
Is Pioli an over controlling person who focuses on unimportant minutae and breeds an environment of "walking on eggshells" as many of the former employees interviewed suggest, or is he just detail-oriented and meticulous, shaking an organization that needed it, as others say? The article does a decent job of presenting both sides, and the Chiefs had to have been concerned to make people available for interviews after approached.
Somewhere, Al Davis is laughing his ethereal ass completely off, from Kent Babb of the KC Star:
Great work here by Kent Babb of the KC Star on the oppressive work environment at the
#Chiefs:, post-Carl Peterson
This story on the "Stalag 17" atmosphere inside the Chiefs' front office by the KC Star is a total jaw-dropper:
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Sad an article without one fact
With nothing but he said she said stuff, could ruin something positive on the field. How anyone can’t see this is sensationalism at its worst is beyond me, and honestly it’s irresponsible journalism. Nothing new from the kc scar.
by bossmanham on Jan 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions 8 recs
What do you need? An actual phone bug in your hand?
Since when do witness and victim’s testimony count for nothing? Especially with so many corroborating stories…
by LHO on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Because of the inherent motive behind all of the "corroborating" stories
20 stories from people who got canned after a regime change aren’t “corroborating”. That’s just 20 of the same story. Corroborating those stories would be having the alleged bug in your hand.
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 16, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It obviously WAS toxic, to them, since they didn't survive.
Sunlight is toxic to mushrooms.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I will wait for the TV movie to come out before I make a judgement on this...
Koolta: A die hard chiefs fan
this type of stuff has followed pioli throughout his career
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 16, 2012 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
If the Patriots are toxic
let me inhale the fumes
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
the Patriots drafted Tom Brady
That has covered up much of the stink of that orginazation
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
That was a bitter comment that didn't make sense.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 16, 2012 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
how does it not
What would have happened to all these people had they not taken a flyer on brady……. I mean seriously
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
It was one of, if not the most, singularly lucky thing to ever happen to an NFL team.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
I was certainly lucky
But that success since 2000 is not all on Brady…some of it is the coaches and the system/philopsophy
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Right. But still, here are the QB's drafted ahead of Brady in that 2000 draft
Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Spergon Wynn
Marc Bulger
I know the Pats have run a very tight ship for more than a decade now. But you can’t in any way think that had they picked of any of these guys that went before Brady that things would have turned out remotely as well as they did.
They struck gold. And good for them – it’s been an awesome run. But something tells me – and this is just pure speculation on my part – but if Spergon Wynn had been the one filling in for Bledsoe, the 2000’s look very different for the New England Patriots.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
by TRSChief on Jan 17, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
recd
There was a documentary about that on the NFL network the other day called the Brady 6. It dealt with all those QB’s drafted before Brady
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying they're all bitter liars
But would it be the first time people got fired and exaggerated about how something really was? Obviously Pioli runs a tight ship, tighter than these people liked.
All I’m saying is you can’t take as facts 20 people all saying the same thing, and who all have the same bias, without any other evidence that corroborates their stories. You actually need something before these become facts. Right now they’re just stories.
Until something is actually proven, all these people have is a story.
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dozens of people
think Matt Cassel is a quality starter.
Just sayin.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 16, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Not even close to a good analogy, i mean per capita for all chiefs employees
this probably represents a sizeable percentage
Not anymore.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 16, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When dozens of former VPs & Directors
WTH, how many guys had a title that didn’t do the work? My place of employment has the same epidemic of handing out the titles and letting people just do what they do. It’s caused an environment where people are not held accountable and it’s nearly impossible to get something done without having to have a meeting with 20 of your peers.
Sorry, just not holding this story as proof. It’s opened the door, let’s see what comes of it. In all honesty the truth is likely in the middle. I can’t imagine Romeo wanting to coach here if it’s such a horrible place to work. There are too many HC vacancies that he wouldn’t have had to stay here if he didn’t want to.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't the article say they all met at a coffee shop or something
to reminisce about their ex-positions? Perfect time for them to all make sure their stories say the same thing. So all people who were fired from their position getting together and telling a story. That’s convincing enough for you? For the sake of people living where you are, I hope your aren’t a judge.
And don’t exaggerate like these clowns are likely doing – it was less than two dozen, therefore not dozens.
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Still more than 2!!!
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
They're not facts.
They’re hearsay. And no one flat out CLAIMS that they were bugged, just that they thought they could have been, or it wouldn’t have surprised them.
For this, we may lose a pretty darn good GM.
Screw you, KC media. You’re the worst.
by bossmanham on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yet independently, each interview has a collective familiarity
Babb reported the information present and also provided details of the organization’s obvious desire for change. Likewise, as a reporter you have to report the facts given responsibly, while responsibly keeping sources anonymous who want to remain that way. Babb, in my opinion, reported independent testimony that told a collective story but neither polished nor imbellished anything. Rather he pointed out right away that their testimonies were skewed by the fact that they are “former” employees and took statements from current employees who stated the opposite, while pointing out this organization is out to re-adjust the current Arrowhead atmosphere for better or worse. How you choose to look at that is your own opinion.
Not once did he provide his opinion and commentary on it.
by JMagsKC1 on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
Very Well Said
Everyone is taking it in differently, which is why we have such a divide. Doesn’t make anyone’s opinion on it more or less valid.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out for the media, the Chiefs and the fans.
by Spiderwomn69 on Jan 16, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yet the "independent" information with a collective familiarity
was taken from former employees who all convened at a pizza joint…
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Where did it say that Babb went to the cafe that they all convened?
He reported that the former employees who obviously still have a bond and a fondness to the place they once worked convened at a reunion recently. Regardless, 24 people with different stories but a similar outcome? That’s the point any way you want to look at it.
I mentioned this below too: it’s not a reason to mob Arrowhead drive with pitch forks and torches, but it raises eyebrows and worth noting…just that.
7 that's such total hogwash it's insane
stop spouting nonsense … if you’re going to comment at least come up with a valid “argument” instead of going over the cliff with your memes
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What witness?
Haley said he thought he might have been bugged, and other fired employees said they wouldn’t be surprised. That is not testimony.
by Tarkus on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't be surprised if Tarkus worships Satan and drinks the blood of children.
Therefore, it is true.
It's no fun if I have to explain it.
Sounds plausible...
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Tarkus, you quit beating old women, didn't you?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Holy shit... he seemed like such a nice kid....
Then all these kittens came up missing…. now children too.
Go Chiefs!!!!
phone bug
usually you need to have proof. phone bug would be fantastic. If someone started a rumor that you were gay, would they have to provide proof is just their word sufficient?
.....the bees are calm?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I forget the rest of it.
I just remember whenever something is said, a lot of people assume it must be true because of the smoke.
So only people who smoke say true things?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
It shouldn't ruin the Chiefs
Most reasonable people are going to look at this like Peter King did: these are pretty serious allegations and Babb’s story is merely that – a story; now let’s see the prove.
My bet is that the age discrimination lawsuit fails and we never hear another story about this again.
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 16, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Seems sensationalistic to me.
I imagine that some of these things happen to a lesser degree but that’s pretty common in corporate America. The truth in this story lies somewhere between the ridiculous claims by Babb/employees and the organization flat out denying everything.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I'm willing to believe Pioli can be a tough guy to work for.
There are some very successful bosses in these here United States that are (Donald Trump, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc) but is he a FELON!?!?! You think he really takes a game so seriously he’s willing to risk jail time? Please.
by bossmanham on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're forgetting this guy was with the organization behind Spygate.
“It’s only illegal if you get caught.” – Scott Pioli.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Breaking league rules =/= breaking federal law.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Yet he wasn't in a position to have anything to do with spygate.
And while that was unethical, it wasn’t necessarily illegal.
Wasn't in a position? This is about culture. He was part of that culture in NE and he brought it with him.
Did it violate league rules? Wouldn’t that be defined as illegal? Perhaps not by US statue, per se, but by organizational law… absolutely.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Who employed those coaches?
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Who is the owner of the organization, correct?
Again, this is part of the CULTURE of the organization.
Spygate resulted in Belicheck getting a $500,000 fine? For wrongdoing as judged by the league office? Pioli learned most of his craft in this organization. He’s going to do things the way he’s learned them.
Some of Haley’s statements do border on paranoia… but there is another old saying out there…. “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
And that proves what?
That he was with the Packers when it happened.
It says nothing about whether he’d commit a freaking FELONY.
by bossmanham on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Where is the line drawn?
When you start doing unethical things… do you recognize the line between unethical and illegal?
And yes, he was WITH the Patriots when it happened. He lived and worked in that organization at the time. His way of doing things is a product of the organizations he’s learned in. If he’s seen these things done, he’s capable of doing them himself. Has he done them? I don’t know. They’ll need a whistleblower to prove it. Then the excrement will impact the oscilation unit. (sp?)
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Wow... you'll listen to nothing negative or speculatively negative about the Chiefs, will ya?
Of course it proves nothing… which is why I said, “THEY’LL NEED A WHISTLEBLOWER TO PROVE IT.”
But please, continue to believe that the Chiefs are doing nothing wrong.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Isn't this another way of saying "innocent until proven guilty?"
continue to believe that the Chiefs are doing nothing wrong.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 16, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure it is.
It’s all speculative at this point. You’d assume they are innocent until proven guilty. We’re in the fact-finding process right now to determine if there is proof of wrongdoing.
To clarify, I’m referring to the repetitive reports in the media of issues like this in the media. Including a report that Fischer wouldn’t come to KC because they weren’t committed to winning a championship. There are a LOT of issues being discussed, not just this one.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Obviously, but chicken or the egg?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Are there really more media relations issues here than in other towns?
How many other teams did Fisher turn down?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Why do people assume he turned down the Chiefs?
I’ve yet to hear any reports of them offering him the job.
Well, I assume he turned down every team with a HC vacancy.
How could anyone not want the man with the stache?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You can't offer me the job, I quit!
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
That might be a great interview technique.
Walk in, look around, say “I can’t work here,” turn to leave and hope they beg you to stay.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I won't listen to speculation and hearsay that the guy is basically a felon and the devil.
no. You will?
I'll listen to it, sure. I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and believe everything is okay.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I think I'm going to need some 80 proof.
by Tarkus on Jan 16, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd settle for 75 proof.... Not picky.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Yes, even though I have 0 proof.
I will continue to listen to any news about the Chiefs, good, bad, confirmed facts, or speculation.
We hear story upon story about things that relate to how this organization is being run. Are they all lies? That many stories? One story… okay sure, maybe it’s bullshit. Multiple stories? Hmmm… maybe there is something going on here.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
And I'll believe it's possible... even without proof.
That’s where we stand.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Not Pioli
His title was Director of Player Personnel.
Funny thing is I once worked for a company who’s CEO was brought up on federal charges and was turning allot of people over. While I worked for that company more than once it was told to me to watch what you say on the phone or in the elevators – they are bugged. who knows if it was true or not.
Sensationalistic?
Multiples upon multiples of interviews with current and former employees? All saying the same thing? And the ones that speak positively or at least neutrally, say they just had to learn to live with it. The fact that the organization “selected” 8 people to interiew, 6 of which did so with a PR rep present, then claimed they weren’t coached…. sure, they weren’t coached. They were just watched and pressured. Are you going to speak the truth with a PR rep sitting there listening to everything you say? The ABSOLUTE truth? Not just a partial truth? I think not. Besides, I’m sure they selected the most ardent followers of the Pioli Way.
This seems like pretty good investigative journalism to me. Something the media typically fails to do because they are too busy kissing butt. Kudos to Babb and those that were interviewed for sharing their stories.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:38 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
False assumptions on your part F58
I have re-read he article 3 times now. In no way are “multiples upon multiples saying the same thing” There are several ex employees, who have a common theme.
I would like to get all of the interview information, did the journalist (and I use that term very loosely now a days) lead these people down the garden path of Haleys’ paranoia? Like so much else here we don’t know.
KC media loves to dog on the Team and organization, so I will always be suspect. So much that is reported or leaked out turns out in the end to just be crap. I would think people would learn. All the talk about how people act, who people really are, how they conduct business etc… And none of it is ever more than some disgruntled individual or hater talking trash.
I’ll believe it when I see actual fact, testimony or real evidence.
I'm not a smart man
24 different sources? Former and current employees?
That’s enough “Multiples” for me. It’s not like this is the first story to question the regime at 1 Arrowhead Drive.
All this being said, if you prefer to ignore everything until someone is able to slap you in the face with the proof… that’s your right as a free thinking human being.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 16, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And which of the others have actually panned out either?
If the reporter says, “Several of your co-workers think their conversations are monitored, do you feel that way too?”
The most common answer will be yes.
That is how the article reads to me.
I'm not a smart man
by Gumpster on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's all open to interpretation. You view things through your mechanism... just like everyone else.
And each of our mechanisms is shaped by our experiences. This is the great thing about debate.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I bet you believed Bernie Fine is a child molester too
"No power in the 'verse can stop me"
Without a past, we have no future.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, that's broadly accusatory.
I don’t honestly know enough about the Bernie Fine case to have an opinion.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I don't get it
These people were way too accustomed to the lazy carefree culture that King Carl implemented.
Guess what….that way didn’t work!
Pioli was hired to drive this ship. Employees of the Chiefs have the best job in the world. They don’t know how good they have it working for an NFL team. If they can’t handle a strict results oriented boss, well goodbye then.
I support Pioli and everything he is doing until I am proven wrong. Hunt approves and he writes the checks. That’s all that matters.
How long should you try? Until.
- Jim Rohn
by Matt_Grbac on Jan 16, 2012 1:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions 7 recs
The change hasn't worked either.
How many major issues have come up with the Chiefs where they’ve been crucified by the media? The fireman fiasco? Or was that the military? Wasn’t it both?
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
The media could succeed here in driving the guy out of town.
Furthermore, if a team tires of the way its media handles it, you could see the organization move too.
Yeah people, Kent Babb could drive the Chiefs out of town. How you like me now?
If Fatman couldn't do it... Robin can't do it either.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
by Falcon58 on Jan 16, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That got a laugh from me
"No power in the 'verse can stop me"
Without a past, we have no future.
by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
All I can think of, is Whitlock in a batman uniform
with his fat belly and fat ass hanging out like ghetto punk
I thought the media was out to get Haley?
Its hard to keep up with all these conspiracy threories.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is for the media to stay consistent.
The same media that on one hand said Pioli was screwing haley, and on the other was saying Haley was doing things out of spite and said something really bad to Dwayne Bowe, which ultimately got him fired.
Don’t start with the hypocrisy talk, H2E, because you have no credibility in that regard.
by bossmanham on Jan 16, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(grabs M&Ms and waits....)
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Where am I hypocritical about anything?
Just trying to point out the bullshit in your tin hat theories. Your Aiken wannabe fear mongering. Media, please be nice to Scott and crew, otherwise they’ll move the team. Yeah, ignore that lease they just signed.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Nothing here.
In the past you’ve been a huge hypocrite.
I’m not fear mongering, I’m speaking against fear mongering.
No fear mongering?
Furthermore, if a team tires of the way its media handles it, you could see the organization move too.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Obvious?
More speculation.
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The team is going to move because someone wrote an article?
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Not just one article. The general media culture in KC surrounding the Chiefs.
Everything is drama and rampant speculation.
Ever wondered why?
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Exactly. Even if all the people interviewed were completely paranoid...
The question is why. There is obviously something wrong with the culture at Arrowhead. The extent is unclear.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not in the KC area, so I can't speak to the media.
However, what would occams razor tell us?
Is Pioli’s administration really toxic, or is there a secret collective media bias against the Chiefs?
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Occams razor doesn't really apply here.
But it says don’t multiply causes beyond necessity. Not necessarily the easiest explanation.
Its a giant conspiracy between competing media members
After the way Wright rips Keitzman I’m sure Kevin is ready to jump on to this conspiracy to bring Pioli down to his knees
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Option C: Does the media try to develop stories that will grab a lot of attention?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The obvious
A long term lease just signed would disagree.
No proof, more speculation.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Clark is pretty cheap... I can't see him breaking that lease and having to pay a bunch of money....
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That sounds like fear mongering to me.
OH NOES!!!! The Chiefs might leave because of the big bad media guys!!! OH NOES!!!!
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And how is that unheard of?
If my organization were ripped apart in the media, I’d move it post haste.
Please provide one example of a pro sports team moving because the media was mean to them
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Yes, please do...
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To where exactly would you move this team?
And in no way would you be able to get the funds necessary to buy an NFL franchise, due to your thin skin.
Along the way to becoming a multi-millionaire/billionaire, you will get some bad press. Believe me, the owners can handle it.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty much my guess too.
My “Yes, please do” was asking for evidence that a sports team had been moved because the media was mean to them.
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Well, UCrawford told me the media got Frank Gansz hired.
That worked out well.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What's wrong with that?
If a possible crime was committed, shouldn’t it be investigated?
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You don't know that.
And neither do I.
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you'd be moving that team a lot.
no market is free of media criticism. it’s foolish to think there is such a place.
yeah! yeah! me too!
I’d move the Chiefs to a market where the media won’t cover you in a bad light! Like……ummm… well, lets see…Hanoi?
Do you really believe that KC media is worse than NY or Philly?
Pioli should have had these guys eating out of his hand.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's getting pretty bad.
Seems to me Ryan and Sanchez have had it pretty easy compared to this. No felonies have been imagined.
No one accused of felonies.
The article says recording devices in rooms and a cell phone"tampered with". That not the same as a phone tap necessarily.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't there
A 25 year deal in place again?
I live in Chicago, So AP is where I get most of my non mothership related Chiefs news, but I remember there being a 25 year deal to stay home to go with the stadium renovations…
I agree
A story-starved reporter goes and talks to people who were let go and, what do you know, they are all kind of pissed off.
I’d rather hear this stuff than hear about how it is all dancing and bean bag throwing at 1 Arrowhead.
A number of people in the article were >current< employees corroborating the stories about
the work atmosphere and general impressions Jay….not just former employees.
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
The carefree culture of King Carl
brought you 4 out of the 5 division titles you’ve seen in the last 40 years and the only conference title game you’ve seen the Chiefs play in 40 years.
5 division titles and 1 conference championship game in 40 years, that’s pathetic.
doesn't mean it didn't
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nobody is saying it didn't.
People are just saying there’s no substance to the story. It’s all speculation and conjecture.
Toxic environment
It’s permeated through the media, whether local or national, that the working environment since Pioli has came into office has been toxic. Many have tried to place this blame squarely at Haley’s feet for his coaching antics and general assholery. Generally I believe where there is smoke there is fire and it’s going be worth watching what will develop through the course of the next year now that Todd is removed from the equation. From this point forward we can’t point the fingers at him. If dysfunction persists we need to focus higher up the totem pole
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sometimes this happens when a new boss is brought in from the outside
they are not attached to anyone in the organization, and want things put in the order that they think they should be…if the new boss pinpoints issues(people) that are not producing the way he wants, they get replaced…or let go…like you guys said, there are not a lot of “facts” here, but i look at it the same as i look at what happened in Oakland last week….the new GM came in, and even though Hue Jackson seemed like he had made some improvements, the new GM wanted something else….The GM job hinges on whether the team wins and functions,makes money,etc…so the GM is really just protecting his job..
As far as the phone tapping, that is a federal offense. If Haley really thought that, he would have said so publicly,notified authorities, or SOMETHING!…come on man
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
I wonder what Hue Jackson would say about his barely-was boss if he was interviewed right now...
Oh wait.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is such BS
For the Chiefs to have to deal with. You have a bunch of “old” dogs who didnt want to cooperate with the new regime. This isnt the 1980’s or 90’s anymore. Things you did back then dont work now and if you are unwilling to change your ways then here is the door.
Also
I never really understand the motives of disgruntled employees. What do you think by coming out in the media pitching a story your way will get you job back? Nope not going to happen…
The article does a decent job of presenting both sides
No, no, no. According to AP, all of this was made up by Babb
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
No one claimed that.
It’s the way Babb presents it. There are no facts, there are speculation and hearsay. Nothing more.
Babb did put in the snippet from that equipment guy who worked for Peterson,
the guy who basically said “Eh, change happens, deal with it.” Having been in the active military where the chain of command turns over about once a year, I can say that this is the way these things happen.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I wonder why Romoe would take the job if his phone & office are bugged?
Pioli’s hired some other good people too…strange that they wouldn’t find work elsewhere….
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I made this point on twitter.
Romeo is not a dumb guy, nor one that strikes me as being someone that allows himself to be pushed around. Would he have accepted a job if these speculations and claims are true?
I call
You apparently missed the paragraph in Babbs report about the brainwashing.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Romeo is a 60+ year old coach with carrer lossing record
People weren’t bashing down doors to get to him.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
So he'll subject himself to an extremely hostile work environment?
One in which he’s spied on illegally.
Come on, surely you don’t lack that much forethought…
You are talking about Romeo Crennel here.... he's old enough that he probably wouldn't think about being bugged...
In some ways, he’s a puppet hire anyway.
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More speculation.
That’s all this story has produced. No facts at all.
Believe what you will, but I require some proof when these kinds of serious things are said. Many just seem too eager to accept it as gospel truth.
I'm accepting it as evidence of some larger issue within this organization.
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My statement there is just another of the speculative statements out of the media.
The idea that he’ll do exactly what he’s told and essentially be a puppet of Pioli… a “‘Yes’ man” if you will… is what I’m referring to. He’s a safe hire because Pioli can control him.
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stupid older guys
so old he probably has to have someone show him how to use a doorknob. Really?.. Just because you get a little older that means you become stupid?
Or maybe he's spent over a decade operating in environments like this and is used to it
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Everything out of your mouth is speculation
You provide no proof either. What proof do you want other than 24 independent people saying similar things?
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
No you're not... you're the little kid on the playground with his fingers in his ears saying "I'm not listening to anything you say... Nothing you say is true."
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Or I'm the adult who doesn't take everything the KC Scar says as gospel truth
and actually expects facts and evidence to substantiate such outrageous claims.
I don't accept anything ANYONE says as gospel truth.
I question everything. And I’m willing to accept other ideas as possibly being true. I’ve got an extremely open mind, unless it’s something a politician says. The fact here is… I’m arguing speculation… you’re arguing speculation… It’s a vicious circle until we have more information.
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I'm saying we shouldn't take this kind of speculation as leading to think someone has committed a felony.
Because felonies have to be proven. I think it’s irresponsible the way some are treating it.
Cough Nick Wright COugh.
Nor were other coaching candidates lining up for the job here.
Fischer certainly ruled out Kansas City in a hurry.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
No proof, more speculation.
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Also turned down Miami. He wanted personnel control.
Fisher’s interview with the Chiefs:
Fisher – Can I have personnel control?
Pioli – No, that’s my job.
Fisher – Can I switch to my defense and bring in my own DC?
Pioli – No, that’s RAC’s job.
Fisher – Well then, I’ll just finish my fine KC strip and be on my way.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Took a lot longer thinking about Miami
Fischer – Can I have my cell phone back?
Pioli – In due time. Did you notice that candy wrapper in the stairwell?
Fischer – No, why?Pioli – No, that’s RAC’s job.
Fisher – Well then, I’ll just finish my fine KC strip and be on my way.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
crap, hit wrong button somehow
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
This interview didn't go like this... the interview took place in Texas, not K.C..
It would have been a big Porterhouse… or maybe just airport coffee.
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OK, outside of KC it would have just been a
decent KC strip.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
by Brsrkr on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL... rec'd.
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Just heard them talking about it on jim rome.
Jason smith from NFLN was filling in for rome. He didnt go into much detail but basically said its no wonder the chiefs suck. He called it “espionage” and said chiefs front office should work for the govt. You could tell he wants this story to be true.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 16, 2012 1:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Rupert Murdoch and Scott Pioli must golf together.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Exactly.
He made it sound like it was fact.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know, haven't really been following this story.
One thing I do agree with, is Haley should bring forth proof if he has any. That’s quite the accusation to bring up, and I got to think one wouldn’t just willy-nilly make one up about his former employer when he is searching for a job. That being said, I’m not sure proof would be enough to satisfy the masses.
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 PM CST reply actions
I'm more interested in this blub
Haley suspected that many rooms at the team facility were bugged so that team administrators could monitor employees’ conversations. Stopping finally in a conference room, Haley said he believed his personal cellphone, a line he used before being hired by the Chiefs in 2009, had been tampered with.
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
And I don't know where he gets this.
Is it from Haley himself? Is it more speculation? I don’t know if the story says.
That was probably made up
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
What's tampered with?
The one thing that sticks out to me is that his phone was tapped but no where have I seen Haley say anything like that. Bugged conference rooms wouldn’t shock me and maybe by “tampering” some one read his texts or something? It would be next to impossible to tap his cell phone without him knowing or having proof of it.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
thats the whole pathetic part of this
you don’t have to do anything to a cell phone to listen in on a conversation. All you have to do is moniter the airwaves the calls are made on. Nascar enthusiests monitor teams all the time. So why would you need to tamper with his cell phone? Just another disgruntled employee
Yep, his phone had been tampered with
Pioli got through four levels of Angry Birds on the phone without Haley’s permission. Haley was pretty pissed about it.
Well, it was either Pioli or one of Haley’s daughters ‘tampering’ with his phone.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
It seems everyone is jumping on either attack or defend positions.
Count me in the neutral category. As it stands, we have a lot of speculation and hearsay as has been pointed out. But presumably there is some shred of truth to it and some of the examples that Pioli has made seem to be a bit on the anal side.
In my experience, fear isn’t a great motivator over the long haul. It’s one thing to come in and in the first year, make big deals out of small issues to see how people respond. But as time progresses and you manage to iron out the wrinkles and get the staffing settled into people who you have faith in, you have to loosen the reigns so as to not alienate the people that you know share the same vision. Sometimes, the timeline is the most critical element. The bubblegum wrapper makes more sense in 2009 than it does in 2011.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I guess this whole story is like a bikini
what it reveals is enticing, but what it conceals may be vital.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Jan 16, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I’m of the same opinion. Where there’s smoke there’s usually fire but just how much fire there actually is is hard to tell. Either way something has to change in the organization for it to function right even if there is only a small truth to this report.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm suggesting is that it may have already changed long ago
but we’re hearing two or three year old stories that were a part of the initial and necessary culture change and have since been relaxed.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Good point.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 16, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
"Control" is a huge word in life. I have no idea what happened but I do know that
almost anywhere you have people dealing with each other, control “usually”, not all the time, but usually, becomes an issue. Look around you, husband’s control wives, wives control husbands, and bosses sometimes control those around them and part of it is whether or not they can get by with it. I don’t think Pioli controlled Bekichek, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was dictating to Haley and I would really doubt that that would go over very well. I doubt if Haley would take it very long and it was indicated that he was going to quit anyway. People do change. Look how power went to the head of McDaniels. Maybe it’s happened here too. Unfortunately, it’s probably going to hurt our Chief’s unless someone (Hunt) takes it by the horn and gets it straightened out.
From the story:
Before Christmas, a group of about 20 gathered at a cafe in Independence. They were mostly former Chiefs staffers, although some current employees also attended, and they came together to reminisce. They called it a reunion.
Those of you who want to point out the corroborating sources may want to take this into account. At this gathering, could not a strategy of revenge have been conceived?
No proof, more speculation
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
non-existent high horse.
No proof, more speculation
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
Do you have a picture of the non-existent high horse?
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Where? I see no PROOF!
Get it?
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Found it - proof!
Clearly HIV on his High Horse mocking bossmanham.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Shenanigans...
That looks like a horse camel hybrid.
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Maybe David Mims kicked it in the jimmy.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Same speculation as you've accused Babb and others.
We’ll probably never know the truth, and in a couple days, this will all go away.
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
You also have the sociological tendency towards groupthink that could emerge.
A few people claim grievance and all of a sudden others who previously hadn’t imagined any grievance start thining of certain prior episodes in a new light that maybe they hadn’t initially reacted to in a negative way.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
I'd say a scenario like that is far more likely
Happens all the time, ESPECIALLY in workplaces. I’ve seen it happen, and seen it get bosses fired for no real good reasons.
An outright conspiracy is a silly accusation though…
I wouldn't put it in terms of a conspiracy, that's a bit much
but among disgruntled employees, it only takes one or two outspoken people to set the tone and narrative. People repeating the same idea over and over permeates into others, and a certain level of hegemony/cohesion sets in.
This isn't the first time
This stuff has been said about Pioli on multiple occasions. This story just told it all collectively. Multuiple interview requests have been noted as being delayed or turned down because “they have to call from a different line.”
It’s not new.
Maybe they have to call from a different line because the line they were on actually BELONGS to Clark Hunt.
This spying in the workplace stuff….all the phones and computers and internet in the Chiefs’ offices are Hunt’s property. Other people who use them are working for Hunt, and getting paid for their time. Hunt has the right to know how his property is being used and how his money is being spent.
Part of the problem is people who go to work and like to imagine they’re still at home.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I would guess these people all talked to and gossiped among each other long before they were fired.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Except some of them hadn't been canned.... yet.
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Correction
They were all former employees who had a “reunion” together. If 20 people were all canned together and gathered in a cafe to discuss what just happened, I think that would be a more telling story ha ha.
Instead, they were each individual employees who had been canned since Pioli came to KC and recently they had gathered to reminisce.
The article says there were current employees as well.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
All this story will succeed in doing is convincing anyone good to be wary of things that may or may not exist. And possibly convince them to stay away.
Coaches, quarterbacks, free agents. It’s Clark’s house. He can run it any way he wants. If that included hiring pioli and telling him to go Stasi on people, fine. Nobody said the nfl should be a picnic. I can understand the secrecy stuff. I just hope this blows over soon.
Love the Chiefs, Hawkeyes, Golf (Obviously) and my wife and kids. Not in that order.
I also imagine that Clark got a good look at all those people that his dad employed over the years.
Real, or imagined, I bet he saw things that he wanted changed. At least part of the culture change could be things he believed were necessary, and told Pioli to do.
Love the Chiefs, Hawkeyes, Golf (Obviously) and my wife and kids. Not in that order.
Don't think Lamar would be too thrilled
in how some employees were let go. That is an obscene turnover rate. To say they were all lazy people from King Carl’s regime is lame.
I once vistied a business that had just fired/laid off/retired about a half dozen of their most experienced and respected engineers and draftsmen.
The reason was that they would not give up their pencil and paper for CAD. This was about six years ago. For those that don’t know, CAD has been prevalent since the mid-90s. Sometimes humans force other humans to act like assholes. I don’t know if any of those old guys sued for age discrimination.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I understand that there are no facts.
But when you have so many people telling you all those things about one person, then I think I think that alone makes this serious enough to be thoroughly looked into.
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:02 PM CST reply actions
Accidently put "I think" twice
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Each interview told a collective story together
It’s enough to raise eyebrows, not mob Arrowhead with pitch forks and torches ha ha
I agree
Which is why I’m not gonna make any accusations (nor am I going to blow this off). Because as you said, this enough to at least raise eyebrows.
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Look into what?
That Pioli is a meanie?
And I don’t think the story says that multiple people said something about wire tapping.
People in different departments can't communicate or even eat lunch together?
That’s creepy.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's an extrapolation too.
From speculation and hearsay. And the organization says no such restrictions exist.
But it proves nothing.
Culture....
It’s not about the rules that are WRITTEN DOWN… it’s about the unwritten rules within the organization.
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That's true of my workplace
I have three departments that I am not supposed to talk to. However, on snowy/rainy days, I like to use the exit on the first floor, south side of the building because its closer to where I park. I was stopped by security once and all they said was ‘Can you try to use the other exit next time?’
Ha ha, they didn’t make me feel like an awful individual and I would have laughed if they tried to make a case about firing me because it’s absurd. I am great at what I do, I don’t bend rules except I use one exit from time to time when the weather is awful. Luckily my CEO doesn’t monitor the cameras and pay for extra security to monitor our employees every move while cutting back on coffee.
Just had to make light fun of this ha ha
No proof, more specualtion
Prove to me that the employees can’t eat together.
/bossham’ed
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know what people expect as proof, but employees were taking different vehicles at different times to eat together.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
??
When did I ever say that “multiple people said something about wire tappin”?
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
You're right about one thing
There weren’t multiple sources stating anything about wire tapping other than Haley. But multiple sources have been afraid to make calls on certain phones out of fear they would be caught saying something or talking to someone that Pioli feels they shouldn’t. That you can say.
And Babb’s story isn’t the first time this has been noted in the media. But it’s the first time it was all put together as the focus of a piece.
Joel's dog Cassie, is "the Mole" and will blow the whistle on this whole shibang!
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Damn, I was hoping for Deep Throat.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Joel did get Cassie's teeth taken out for some reason, I wasn't quite sure until just now.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
ugh.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
A question I have.
I have people who report to me, albeit my job isn’t as all-encompasing as a GM of a football team.
I’m not speaking to what’s true, and what’s fabricated but…
What exactly would have one to gain in bugging a room, or tapping cell phones?
by craig in calgary on Jan 16, 2012 2:17 PM CST reply actions
Other than making sure people were'nt saying mean things about you.
Nothing.
I can’t believe Pioli is that self conscious.
I would think his time would be better spent trying to get us players.
I don’t think he would waste it on listening to bullshit.
Yes we all would think that. That's why all this is troubling if true.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing that I could see is if there was concern that someone was leaking info.
There has been some talk about flushing out leaks earlier, but I think the whole thing is ridiculous.
Just in case anyone was not aware, most companies have the ability to track your calls, scan your emails, and see you web traffic. If you are looking at porn at work, don’t think there is no way big brother can find out.
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by saskwatch on Jan 16, 2012 2:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or if you're a micro-manager and want to see if anyone is goofing off.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
A rat is something that lives on other people's property and eats other people's cheese without producing anything but poop.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Personally,
he always reminded me of a rabid chihuahua.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
lucky for me,
all they see is AP, on my computer
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
Great
We didn’t have enough trouble as a franchise to win games.
I just don’t even care anymore just cOmpletely apathetic
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Kind of funny
for all these people who think they were so mistreated and unrightfully fired, i have one question…..WHY DID YOU WANT TO WORK FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE???? If the environment was so horrible, you could of just quit….am i wrong?
Maybe you haven't noticed, the job market is a little tight these days.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Still had the choice
whether or not to work there….in the end they were fired anyway, so what was the difference?
I envy people with wonderful happy workplaces. It must be nice.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not the best time to quite a job
Especially just to say F-it, who cares about my salary that pays my bills, buys my children groceries and finances my mortgage. Ha ha, just quit? Okay.
I’m sure some had quit when they could finally get a comparable position at a better place. But who can just quit their job because they don’t like it anymore?
About half the people on this site, apparently.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Many of these people were asked to retire and take their pensions if I understand correctly.
However, if someone is a bad employee they deserve to be fired, sob stories notwithstanding.
i think thats funny too
why were they so offended to be asked to retire??? Id be happy as hell to retire early with a full pension.
Scathing article about Arrowhead removing the Philly Cheesesteak from the caferteria
And limiting items which can be topped with chili
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Nick Wright
is making things worse right now… imagine that.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
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by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:22 PM CST reply actions
It was so bad
he couldn’t comment on it on Twitter until his show aired today, a couple days after the story was written.
He is going to milk this for all it is worth...
Hopefully it blows over, but this could potentially get so bad that Scott Pioli is run out of town causing another start over.
My thought is… thanks a lot Kent Babb.
It would have been nice to just get a couple good offensive coaches and keep moving this team forward.
Things have a way of taking on a life of their own.
Maybe we can get Bill Polian on line one, the one that isn’t tapped.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
All Babb did was was find some recent fires, who were all probably fairly eager to share,
and arrange interviews with a handfull of current Chiefs employees. Then he transcribed parts of the interviews. I don’t really see an extraordinary effort here. It’s not like he went all MI and crawled through Pioli’s air ducts.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That is one way to look at it...
If he has a brain in his head, he knew what this could potentially unleash. You don’t just make claims that people are committing felonies without thinking about the potential consequences.
The Chiefs were doing okay…Romeo Crennel was hired and they needed to grab a couple good offensive coaches.
Now, instead they are going to be dealing with a huge PR nightmare over some alleged claims.
Take Nick Wright, he isn’t even mentioning the current employees that said it was no big deal… he is calling the act felonies and completely over blowing the story for temporary shitty ratings that are a little less shitty than usual.
Saying people were living in fear… my god. The whole situation is irritating and unnecessary. We should be bombing on Tim Tebow’s awesome skill set and breaking down our potential hires.
Instead…
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Right, I pretty much agree with you. Just commenting on the amount of work it would have taken Babb to produce this.
Because I’ve heard it mentioned like some kind of great investigative reporting work. A reporter for a high school paper probably could have arranged most of these interviews.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
ah grasshopper
The story itself was good… The reporting was okay, and the tale was well told. I just hate the stupid fallout, because none of this matters.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it was a good write-up. And I think it was fairly balanced
with opinions from people that don’t think the new culture is that big of a deal. But as far as the leg-work and “investigative reporting,” it just seems like a run-of-the-mill interview piece.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Agreed
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
How many employees said it was okay?
Two? Ray Farmer… who has survived the regime change and probably wants to keep his job… and some guy who said… “Well, change happens, you just suck it up and deal with it.”
The other 6 said it was okay… but were 1) hand picked by the Chiefs (as were Farmer and the other guy) and 2) accompanied by a Chiefs PR rep who was supervising the interviews.
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Regardless
no mention, is no mention
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hear! Hear!
Let’s get back to the Draft and FA threads now, please. I want to see those pushed to 2,000 plus comments and 200 rec’s. Otay? ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
But but but
we won't be able to sign draft picks because of the KC Einsatzgruppen
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
All the Dead bodies out back of Arrowhead
attract Mountain Lions
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
that explains Sept 18th
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
JA! JA! Heil Himmler!
But man, I’d love getting a job treeing and trapping those cougars that are moving into Platte and Clay Counties, and Northern MO in general. I just don’t want to see those innocent cougars become collateral damage from Pioli’s goons. ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
I mean ... it would also serve as a witness protection program ... you see?
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Dude! If you get drafted by Herr General Pioli ...
we won’t be able to sign draft picks because of the KC Einsatzgruppen
Do you think you really have a choice of NOT signing? They better think about the possible ramifications of that decision very, very carefully. ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
if he would have crawled through his ducts and found some proof
maybe I would respect his story more.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
agreed, but he provided supply to what is in huge demand and
that is since haly has been fired, the spotlight has been moved to the front office
Here is the run down
Nick Wright: Blah, blah, blah hideous felonies! Blah, blah, blah, biggest Chiefs story of the year… Blah, blah,blah… Kent Babb is on at four.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
We'll be back after these advertisements with something so important you can't stand to miss it.
But it can wait for 2 minutes while I get paid.
Also
blah blah, pioli’s problem isn’t ego, its insecurity. He’s not tapping phones because he’s worried about someone telling the raiders some football secret, he’s worried about people saying mean things about him.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
yeah, he seriously claimed that its as easy as taping opposing teams' signs during a game
what a bleeping idiot he is.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Biggest Chiefs story of the year.
But he couldn’t talk about it on Twitter for two days. That’s funny.
It's also classy how he's saying the Chiefs did a great job co-opting 810
and he thinks Pioli is paranoid.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
as well as throwing Jim Trotter under the bus repeatedely
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well it could be...
it is only Jan 16
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
All this story tesla me is that there was serious issues between Haley and Pioli.
If it was that bad, he should have been fired before.
Haley probably assumed he was bugged, because Pioli always knew what he was saying in conversations with his players and coaches, but it probably was because everyone can hear what you say when you are always screaming at the top of your lungs.
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by saskwatch on Jan 16, 2012 2:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Ha, I was thinking that Haley is the imaginative type to do that.
Pioli might have surprised him just one time with a lucky guess or some overheard tidbit, and that would have been enough for Haley to develop his phone tap theory.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Let's not forget about the coke-nostrils on that dude
He could very well have been influenced by some Bolivian paranoia powder.
by blooptaabi on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
EVERYONE including Scott Pioli and
the Kansas City Chiefs are innocent until proven guilty. If something wrong has been done, then let the lawsuits come out and decide it in court. That’s what courts are for. In the meantime, lets not let a bunch of speculation and conjecture get everyone in a tizzy. If wrong has been done, the guilty parties will pay.
"The Hammer"
I heard that Pioli waterboarded a janitor for not picking up a candy wrapper
by JaySoy on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hilarious.
I heard it was a good coaching moment.
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by saskwatch on Jan 16, 2012 2:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But only if he made the other janitors watch.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
As janitor?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
You must like hearing about suicides
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Why would he tap Haley's phone in 2009 I thought they liked each other then
Then Haley called him fat so he wired every room to make sure more people liked him.. True story
I have the alcides virus
Its actually easier than you think (honestly)
But I can’t tell you about it from this post…they might be watching…but seriously, it’s easy…I’ll call you from a pre-paid cell and give you the blueprint for tapping phones that the government doesn’t want you to see…………………or you can just google it and save me from being assassinated
Jebus Nick Wright is a flaming asshat
he’s saying that tapping a personal cell phone is just as easy as taping an opposing team’s signs. Uhh, seriously NW, do you understand how incredibly difficult it is to tap a personal cell phone line without govt help?!?!?
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Babb's article made me feel like I was reading about "area 51" lol
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions
"area right 53"
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
by Sudden on Jan 16, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the end zone?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I also heard
they were putting Cassel in a radioactive hyperbolic chamber to build our own version of Captain America on the Chiefs squad…we should be so sick next year……wait! I shouldn’t have said that here! They might be listening!
Quick, call me on the other line I’ll tell you all about it
In the No-Spy Zone?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
of we spied it
up-close
just couldn’t enter it
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Noooo ... never use any kind of electronic devices for comms anymore.
Quick, call me on the other line I’ll tell you all about it
Its time to defeat high technology by going back to handwritten notes passed between each other. And then BURN upon READING! Otay? ;+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Do you know how to keep Chiefs players off your yard?
Paint it like an end zone. Ouch!!! Sorry I had to do it.
"The Hammer"
clever
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
that is so 2 and 14 Steve
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hah
I hope we are working on a Stealth Contract package for Dwayne Bowe
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Why would he sign?
No one wants to be a Chief… they fear for their lives and safety if you let Nick Wright tell it.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
A secret wire-transfer of 80 Million would alleve those fears
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
true...
they can send one of those my way.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'll take that
as a janitor and ensure no more wrappers are found anywhere in the stadium. Not even in the stands after gamedays!
Yes, I would live in fear while working at Arrowhead but laughing the whole way home in traffic!
ha I like that one
I laugh at my own jokes.
by LookListenLearn on Jan 16, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
UHG and Chiefs are the only two organizations in the world with angry former employees.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Thank goodness I work where all the current employees are disgruntled.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
And everybody is using the candy wrapper story as evidence of Pioli's madness
I’d be fucking livid as well. Under Peterson, I’m sure the policy was to drop 20 million dollars on top of it and call it “Andre Rison”
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The only thing that the candy wrapper story proves...
Is that Pioli is just as lazy as the rest of the people in the organization were. PICK UP THE WRAPPER, PIOLI… Sorry… SCOTT!
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Close call!
PIOLI… Sorry… SCOTT!
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I know, right?
Scott’s got the Arrowhead Pride Detonator Button on his desktop. Enough wrong moves…. BOOM.
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Dude, it's called an "object lesson."
I don’t think there’s a boss in the world who doesn’t use them. Well, except for the bosses who do all the work for all their employees.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Great...
How’s that football team doing? 7-9? But we got those candywrappers picked up… thank goodness. Part of the Chiefs’ green initiative.
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Are you really gonna bring this year's record into it?
How did you think they’d do before the season started, and we lost Charles, Berry, and Moeaki? 7-9 with all things considered is pretty good, I think.
Besides, the football team is already being run with accountability….no more personal parking spaces….no more sitting out training camp because you’re a star. It sounds like Pioli is trying to bring some football-team-like discipline to the office drones and some of them aren’t taking to it.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I can bring the entire Pioli Administration's record up... I'm not picky.
It’s 21-28.
And I honestly thought they’d go 9-7, maybe 10-6 again if they were lucky.
No more personal parking spaces? Then why is Scott so concerned about a van being parked in the space he “normally” parks in?
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I dunno.
I could speculate….Sounds like a van that belongs to the team, so maybe IT has its own parking spot. Maybe it was double parked because it’s, ya know, a big frickin van. Maybe Pioli wasn’t really that torqued, and this fired employee has a fragile psyche and an axe to grind.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Could be because the van was parked there overnight
Pioli probably takes pride in his usual parking space being his because he’s usually the first one there.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
After inheriting a 2-14 team
And then making it to the playoffs two years i think we’re doing pretty good
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
So fire the coach then.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
We did
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Given the nature of the team and organization since Marty left
There was a fuck ton of candy wrappers on the field, on the coaching staff, in the PR department, in scouting, in… on and on and on.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Candy asses are different from candy wrappers
and it sounds like a lot of the deadweight gotten rid of are candyasses.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Vivid.
And unfortunately accurate.
I heard somewhere that guy actually left forgotten game checks crumpled in the bottom of his locker.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
who cares
chiefs suck so who cares.pioli will run this team into the ground.
And you are here commenting why, exactly?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
If he's running this team into the ground
Then this team was in the Earth’s fucking mantle upon his hiring
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Must be a disgruntled fan
Quick tap his phone! Is he over 40 years old? If so, fire him. If he’s just disgruntled but still loyal to the Chiefs franchise then let’s see if we can get him to purchase a pair of season tickets! But before he enters the stadium, be sure security pats him down for candy wrappers!
Ha!
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
So what did we learn here?
Kent Babb and the KC Star need some serious subscribers and is in desperation mode and Nick Wright still an idiot.
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
NFL.com story
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
Bitter employees or dysfunctional organizaiton?
I don’t need, maybe little of both. But what we have to judge pioli on is 1 bad draft (‘09), a decent one (’10), and one that looks fairly average (’11). No good free agent signings, a failed head coach, and lots of speculation of rampant secrecy, perception of cheapness and misguided priorties.
These are facts, whether you believe Babb or not. This has not been what i’d call a good 3 years for Pioli.
Peterson's first round duds
Victor Riley
John Tait
Sylvester Morris
Ryan Sims
Jerome Woods
Trezzelle Jenkins
Harvey Williams
Percy Snow
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Tyson Jackson
Eric Berry
Jonathon Baldwin
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jerome Woods was a decent safety
and John Tait was a good right tackle; he just couldn’t stand Peterson and left via FA for Chicago
Jamaal Charles is here to kick ass and chew bubble gum; and he's all outta bubble gum.
by His Royal Greatness on Jan 16, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed...
Tait and Woods come off that list. The rest i can agree with.
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wasn't a comparison between peterson and pioli
point was whether you think much of babb’s article, pioli has less than a stellar record so far, this article is just feeding into that. if chiefs had a good season, no one would care what this thing said.
besides, you peterson dud list was over almost 20 years, not 3.
Non-story at best
I’ve worked at Disney World. A place that while customers are involved is a very well run and organized place that makes sure that everything is operating to the best of its ability. But were there a ton of regulations and rules working there? Heck yea!
The job of working there and working for the Chiefs are very different obviously. But the corporate culture trying to be attained is very much the same. Try throwing a candy wrapper on the ground in Disney World. It’s actually humorous how quickly they sometimes get swept up/picked up by someone that isn’t even a janitor.
Having high expectations of employees while doing their actual work is not a bad thing. It’s something a lot of people don’t understand because it’s not happy-go-lucky for employees all the time. But if you understand that at work you work, and on break or at home, you get to enjoy yourself (if you don’t enjoy your job), it’s not that difficult.
Maybe things were different before Pioli.So what? When your employer tells you the expectations change so that people are doing their job more efficiently, I don’t understand why that is a bad thing.
i hope that free agents and assistant coach candidates think it's a non-story
but i bet that view is confined to a segment of KC fans and journalists eager to curry favor with the organization.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody who has had more than one boss in the last twenty years should recognize this as par for the course.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
You know, I am not sweating this stuff at all.
The Chiefs are still my team, I am still a fan, f*ck Haley, f*ck the Donkeys, f*ck the Raiders, and just for good measure, butt f*ck the Chargers.
"The Hammer"
Lube?
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Kent Babb and the former employees have a plan...
to create tension at ArrowheadPride through incriminating Chief stories and break us up.
going for the whole team america thing.
by kc_okerix on Jan 16, 2012 9:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i cannot believe the homerism on here
even if half this story is bullshit at its core—Pioli is not monitoring phones, etc.—the fact that Babb’s sources feel/felt this way at work is a serious indictment of this organization.
go on attacking the messenger, but this is a thoroughly-sourced story describing an organization run by a micromanaging asshole, who, by the way, has achieved nothing without Brady and Belichick. perhaps he’d have time to look beyond his little circle of trust for player and staff acquisitions if he weren’t so occupied with candy-wrappers in the hallway?
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 3:52 PM CST reply actions
Ha ok
Takin the words of an asshole who was just fired for being a complete disaster is fine though, right? You know how many companies monitor people? This is a non-to potential Whitlock/Nick Wright B.S. territory story.
i must've missed the part where Babb spoke only to fired employees
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
former employees
Or, what, the famous “un-named” sources. Gimme a break, this story’s got bullshit all over it
why on earth would a current employee go on the record
with critical comments about a fire-happy boss?
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
and you, internet commenter, are more credible than Babb?
you think he’s making up the comments and pretending to have sources for them?
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
When did I say I was more credible
He’s always been fuckin bitter cuz the Chiefs give them nothing. Period. Until actual FACTS come out, I’m gonna still think it’s bullshit. You wanna believe un-named sources and former employees, go ahead.
why read ANY news about the Chiefs then? if the Chiefs
provide no information, then any information out there is carefully-filtered bullshit from the organization, and there’s no way any journalist could develop sources.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Theres a difference between reading it and believing it
I don’t believe any of this shit coming outta KC, especially coming outta the Star
how much of it do you think is bullshit
do you think Babb is twisting the stories told be real people, or that he’s making it up altogether?
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's twisting words around/taking shit outta context
Running with disgruntled former employees pissed off for being fired(like Haley, I mean come on, you really believe Pioli was able to bug his personal cell phone?). And just embellishing or flat out wants attention/axe to grind cuz he doesn’t like the new regime, anything. I just don’t believe this bullshit, plain and simple.
Babb isn't twisting anything. The people who read this are twisting it in their own heads to fit their own preconceptions.
Personally, I blame Joel.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
no i don't think he bugged his phone
because i think Pioli’s micromanaging exists within the boundaries imposed by federal law.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
And why would a fired employee have good things to say?
Quite the conundrum, eh?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
so some hard-working guy or gal with a family who gets canned for a candy wrapper or not closing the blinds during a meeting is an "asshole"
Takin the words of an asshole who was just fired
is that it? you have no fucking idea who these people are, yet you call them “assholes” … brilliant, so your namecalling makes it so? I don’t think so … get a clue, get a life … if you want to “argue” then make a valid point instead of calling people that you have never even met assholes … because you know, maybe they’re just like you
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Hey maybe he is like me, I am an asshole so maybe I know a little bit
Todd Haley is a flat-out asshole. You don’t like what I have to say don’t fucking reply.
"I am an asshole"
We got it.
“Todd Haley is a flat-out asshole.”
Proof? He’s probably got one. But that doesn’t support your assertion.
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I'm not saying its a universal opinion.
But for example, I shall use myself: I’m a pretty decent guy. But sometimes, I can be an asshole. Does that make me one full time? No. Should I just be called an asshole all the time?
Well, maybe you are right now. ;-)
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He's an asshole to me
Cuz he purposely ran with a scrub to prove whatever it is he wanted to prove instead of trying to win football games, which can be proven by the games Tyler Palko played.
See, people take words too far
Calling him an asshole isn’t me saying “he’s an asshole for life and probably gonna burn when he’s gone”….He’s an asshole for this shit he did before he was deservingly fired.
Hmmm....
I’m not sure that qualifies under the asshole label. But I’d say it’s unprofessional. Regardless of the dysfunctional relationship that supposedly existed between he and Scott, he should have coached this team to the best of his ability, which would have meant playing Orton over Palko.
It will reflect poorly on him when he looks at future jobs. He’ll have to work his way up again.
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Right
And saying something like this would benefit his future attempt at his next job, no? As opposed to having to defend why he chose to basically forfeit games instead of TRY and win(which you call unprofessional, I call it being an asshole lol)
You're a fan.
Which is the root word in fanatic. You’re entitled to get upset and emotional and call some names.
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What I know is that I watched Haley hang out....
Signing as many autographs as he possibly could before he absolutely had to stop and go in at camp. That’s not an asshole. An asshole would walk right by them and maybe give a bullshit reason why he won’t sign autographs.
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"You don't like what i have to say don't fucking reply"
—commands the man who relentlessly cries bullshit to whoever finds a shred of credibility in a story with 24 sources.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
24 sources?
If it’s so credible why is it still debatable? And un-named sources aren’t fucking credible when they can just be made up. “Yeah this girl told me Pioli hid in the bathroom to see if people were taking 2 ply instead of the required 1 ply”
That's pretty cynical, dude.
Berating people for being anonymous because they want to protect their jobs? That’s an asshole statement. Sure, a writer can “make up sources”, but I’m going to assume that his editor will want to verify that these sources exist, even if not named, before running this kind of story. It has backlash risk written all over it.
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Then it's an asshole statement, like papers never print bullshit
And it’s the Star, so I assume it is bullshit.
I feel the same way about anything spoken by politicians.
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As I feel about "asshole" fan-atics who cry BS and then do the same thing...
like slinging out an accusation that Haley intentionally lost games:
Cuz he purposely ran with a scrub to prove whatever it is he wanted to prove instead of trying to win football games, which can be proven by the games Tyler Palko played
No proof – no verified source – only his own assertion so of course it must be true…my real initials are BS and my BS-ometer is flying off the charts where KCinIL is concerned…total hypocrisy.
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
What kind of backlash? Seems like a pretty low-risk article to me.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
He could very well get frozen out by the Chiefs for writing a story like this.
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Ha, how would that be anything new?
Anyhow, that wouldn’t have anything to do with whether his sources were “verified.” Seems like the Chiefs would be MORE likely to shut the door on him if this WAS accurate.
The main thing for me is, I really don’t see anything that NEEDS to be verified (except for the personal phone tap, which I will ignore until/unless it’s proven). I mean, this just adds up to a bunch of people’s opinions about where they’d like to work. Some people don’t like working for Pioli….Ok, that’s fine. I’ve seen hardass work environments, and they function fine if they’re built around the right kind of people. I’ve also been in less formal work environments, which seem all nice and cuddly but have their own drawbacks….the one I worked in, I was so bored I lost all initiative for, well, everything. I’d describe it as, trying to lift weights while lying on a feather bed. Different strokes for different folks (gotta end with a cliche).
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
i somehow doubt you apply the same rigorous skepticism
to unnamed sources when those sources report news you want to hear.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
What have they reported that turned out to be true?
Haley running JC outta town? Waters and Pioli almost throwing down? Shanny becoming the next HC? I dont read the Star anymore.
Did it actually say any of these people were fired FOR the candy wrapper or blinds thing?
I read it yesterday, so might’ve forgotten, but I don’t remember those being cited as reason for any of the firings.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No it didn't.
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I wouldn't say they were assholes, exactly?
But I’ve shot people for less.
so some hard-working guy or gal with a family who gets canned for a candy wrapper or not closing the blinds during a meeting is an “asshole”So .. hell … Pioli sounds like a bleeding heart to me. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
I think Babb and a lot of the other local guys really don't like the new culture if the Chiefs because they don't get the access they used to.
If Babb thought he had limited access to information before, good luck getting anything out of Arrowhead now. Babb just blacklisted himself.
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I think so too
They can’t get stories, so let’s just make shit up by taking the good old “un-named sources” route.
well they get stories when Pioli wants to leak some bullshit about Haley
before firing him.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I see where have a Nick Wright listener
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
i don't listen to much sports talk radio at all.
but i do have him on now because Babb is on talking about the story.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Haley should have figured out that Pioli was on to him when this guy was sitting at the table across from them.
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by saskwatch on Jan 16, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I hear he leaks urine occasionallly
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
That is definitely true
Kent Babb was heard saying he hates not being able to get information from Arrowhead, fears being black listed and thought Scott Pioli was hiding in his bushes after this story was published.
Kent Babb was not available for comment
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
That is, unless the fallout from this brings change at Arrowhead...
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he put this out now because he's finally given up on getting back inside.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
What is shaking Steve?
Kent Babb.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder what the corporate atmosphere at the Star is
Hopefully a little toxic given the subscription numbers
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
They are going back to
the printing press:
excitement is abound.
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
Johannes Gutenberg
was found not spinning in his grave
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 16, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
As I write this there are over 300 comments on this thread.
My boxer shorts are not in a bunch over this. If wrong has happened the guilty will have to face up to it. There is nothing else to say. This is a football team, not Mission Impossible for crying out loud. I am not going to comment further on this as to continue would be just paying homage to someone who is clearly an asshat.
"The Hammer"
I like Scott Pioli too
Scott stated himself he needed to get better
This would be one of those things he needs to get better at
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
both, apparently
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
A good office manager should do quite a few of those things Scott seems to want to rectify
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
Such as?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Coffee, Color Copies, Janitorial services, .....
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
C'mon man. You know the gum wrapper was an object lesson.
I can’t believe anybody over twenty hasn’t had something amazingly similar said/demonstrated to them at least once. Hell, you were in the military, you must have seen this same thing several times a day.
My company is doing pretty good right now in these tough times, and there are constant reminders about unnecessary color copies. Actually, that might be one small part of WHY my company is doing pretty good right now.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Not really cause I usually did more than the average worker
Now I was a supervisor long ago in the military and maybe to some degree the last 2+ years but I have 30+ years of experience that says that Managament style is not what I would do :)
Leading people as one of the people works much better
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
The best generals know how to
be a private as well. BUT the best leaders lead the way, not prod from behind.
"The Hammer"
There are multiple ways to manage
As long as the outcome is improved results, its effective
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
I would disagree with that
Lashing people worked for the Egyptians and it got amazing things done. It worked in America just 150 years ago in the same way. On this day above all days, Leadership in coordination with the needs of all does the best to bring the whole organization to a better place.
Petty Tyrants are just Petty Tyrants
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Lashing works when the alternative to work is death.
I don’t think Pioli has taken things quite that far. Mountain lions or no mountain lions.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
:)
Palko believed and he slew the Bear!
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
It definitely does sometimes, but not in every situation.
On the football field, for instance. It sounds to me like Pioli, a former player, is trying to bring football discipline into the office.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Is that necessary?
on the Field yes, and I supported Haley too in that he was the leader, yet he did not delegate well or for that matter take command when he should have.
Wishy washy is not leadership
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this analysis.
I supported Haley, but by the time he did nothing to take control of the offense my support had disappeared. Haley’s handling of the Palko/no offense situation was the epitome of wishy washy.
"The Hammer"
I dunno.
My leadership experience since I got out of the military has been very little. I suspect that if I was put in charge of people who had never been in the military, there would almost certainly be crying.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Ha
Soldiers are used to critiscm, the rest were not willing to be soldiers in the 1st place :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda expected that, but what still surprises me is the things people worry about.
“I have to get home because my dog gets anxiety if I’m not there by 5:15.” Holy crap.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Communista!
Leading people as one of the people works much better
A Dog's Heart
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 16, 2012 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Surprised that Whitlock hasn't had a take on this yet.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
He did on Twitter.
Unlike Wright, who thought it was such a big story that he had to be quiet for two days, until his radio show aired.
I notice a lack of re-tweet :)
so us non-twits can know what he said
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Don't have his tweet handy.
But he said he wouldn’t comment on it until his show aired, but he urged everyone to read the story.
Twitter - a double edged ratings sword.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Oh, you probably mean Whitlock.
He basically just said more of what he always says about “Egoli,” suggesting that Babb’s story proved he’s been right all along.
The comments amaze me
In the nearly 1500 comments on AP about this subject, far less than 1% will even venture to say that the truth lies somewhere in the middle, that maybe both sides have some merit, just as the article states. Yet we have multiple threads that each need their own overflow threads, with people taking a hard stance on one side or the other.
Instead of taking the story at face value, it has become a battleground for each side to cater to their own biases. You have one side says “see, this proves Pioli is toxic” and you have the other side that says “this is all unproven speculation”.
Could it just so happen that both Pioli is in fact a micromanager who has a tendency to go off the deep end AND there are disgruntled former employees with an axe to grind? Or should we just dismiss the thought of the more realistic scenario and continue arguing about that which we say can only be one way or the other?
by old_school on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
The truth does lie in the middle
in AP debate there is no clear winning score to claim victory
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
One percenter scum.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
The truth definitelyh lies somewhere in between.
I can’t believe that Pioli would be that completely crazy but I also refuse to accept that all of this is made up (not in today’s environment when you can sue anybody for just about anything). If any of it is true Pioli needs to take it down a notch or two.
by ghostofmunicipalstadium on Jan 16, 2012 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
But if a third of this is true I am dissapointed in Pioli.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sure truth does lie in the middle.
what’s irritating to me is to see how arrogant pioli’s group calling what they used to do “that’s so 2-14”, and then they go 4-12, and have improved their record the last two years on the backs of players like hali, DJ, JC, the brandons from the “2-14” regime. it would serve them well to show some humility and focus on improving the team than pulling shades and candy wrappers. how about using that diligence on the roster???????
It didn't really say who uses that expression. Just "top administrators."
You assume that it’s Pioli’s boys.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Well, OK, if you want to get technical then I guess all the people who still work there are "Pioli's boys."
But it could be some people who were there before Pioli, is what I meant. Or people that Hunt/Pioli/Donovan hired who had never worked with Pioli before.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
a lot of employees get fired from a team when a new regime comes in
But, how many of those claim there phones were tapped? I think there is some truth to this that can’t be swept under the rug of ‘’they were just disgruntled employees’‘. Do I think peoples phones were tapped…probaly not(although it wouldn’t surprise me) I do however, believe in the other allegations. Pioli does waste his time on meaningless crap. Like this spying deal…..what team needs to spy on us , to figure out what were doing?
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Um, seven of the teams we played this year?
what team needs to spy on us , to figure out what were doing?
As for phone tapping, if they are Hunt’s phones provided for work then that is legal and not unheard of.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
s_c - I had a feeling that someday we'd find ourselves on the same side of an issue...and
that day has just arrived – in general. It will be very interesting to watch this situation unfold in the upcoming months. I just wonder how many of the AP’ers who are name-calling on Babb and the sources will be man enough to eat some crow if they’re proven wrong…always easy to throw dirt, but takes character to own up to it.
I agree with you here & think the truth (as a few others have suggested) is somewhere in the middle:
I think there is some truth to this that can’t be swept under the rug of ‘’they were just disgruntled employees’
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
agree.
some of the previous allegations/rumors have ended up being true. i just dont see why a member of the kc media would write a story like this unless there was at least some truth to it.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Oh my God. There's no football on tonight.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Thanks for the reminder. Always entertaining...
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 16, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Oh really?
I might tune in to watch Paul school the other candidates.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
cocaine and heroine dealers approve the other candidates
for making their commodities unnaturally profitable.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why? Really?
You know how many added overdoses would happen how many more fuckin crazies would be hooked on the shit. You can’t legalize those2 man. Taxing pot would be a great start. Can’t overdose on pot and I never heard anyone shooting up people or causing mass harm cuz they were stoned on some sticky icky.
Like how he ignored this
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
And you know this how
I forgot Nostradamus is among us
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know it will?
What proof has given you the idea America will be just fine with cocaine and heorin being legalized?
Because it already has been legal
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Can you imagine the financing of drugs?
“24 months no interest on all Heroin*!”
*Offer limited to a maximum of $5,000 worth of heroin and based upon contract exceeding 5 year agreement of continued exclusive use of HeroinCo brand heroin. After 24 month period 500% annual interest rate.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Don't see an issue
Although I’d hope local governments would tax and regulate it, because they’re hurting badly.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah because if it's legal
Everybodys going to go out and try it?
Sorry don’t believe it, if people wanted to try it they’d do it already it’s not that hard to find or expensive.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
No I'm saying the people that do try it and do it
Will now be out and about even more high as shit. America’s too fuckin crazy to be adding coke and brown sugar into the mix. Start with pot.
Great and it's there choice to do so
We don’t need big bad gubmint stepping in to “help” us. “help” meaning enslave into a system that is extremely hard to get out of.
And this is all bull pucky anyways, your state, district, city, etc can make their own laws combatting drugs all they want RP isn’t against that. He just believes that if you want to arrest somebody for being too fucking crazy the. Make a law against that, putting something into your body should never be a crime that goes against basic human rights.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
We'd be in some real trouble I think
Again, just my opinion, but man, if coke and heroin were legal, WOW. America would be fucked lol
Plus I find it funny Paul wants to dismantle government
As he’s going for the top government job lol. “The people can govern themsevles”. <—no, we can’t!
Well duh
How’s he supposed to change the system from the outside?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
So he's gonna fire himself if he gets there?
Which he’s not lets be honest. Hey I think the republican parties a joke, so I might not be the most objective person. I try to listen to all their views(well RPs mostly cuz the rest are just fuckin idiots) But it seems he’s just a little 1912 as opposed to 2012.
No he wishes to revolutionize the syste
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not a Paul supporter.
I think he’s too radical and somewhat crazy, but I do think he has a lot of good ideas. The president only has so much power anyway. Congress writes the laws.
Well congress doesn't do shit
But I’m with ya. I’m a democrat and think that whole sides just on a fuckin crazy streak, but he seems somewhat the most sane.
See this is the problem with this country
People are to busy picking sides while both sides of the aisle are working against you.
It wasn’t just Repubs that signed NDAA it was Dems too.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Never said it wasn't both sides
Both sides aren’t doing shit. Republicans just need to understand the term “compromise” or “meet me in the middle”. Stop saying, "yeah we’ll sign the middle class tax but we want this pipeline that’ll create thousands of american jobs(which is doesnt). And “no, we shouldn’t tax the job creators” who havent created shit but more money for them off the backs of the middle class hard working people. The same people that thought old man river and Sarah fuckin Palin should be running things
I don't think there is a wide swath of people who respect and fear the law right now
That would double down on heroin if made legal.
That’s what he’s saying. Heroin is already in the mix.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen wht that shit can do that to people first-hand
And if it was even MORE accessible and cheaper? That’s just got disaster written all over it. More overdoses, more violence, murders, death, whatever the case.
And it's the peoples choice to use it, and of they harm others you better damn we bet they'll get I trouble for it
Or do the police/hospitals not exist in your post-apocalyptic all drugs legal world?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
RP wants to shrink most government jobs, what’d you think those are? What does that have to even do with my statement above?
Local cops and hospitals aren't the federal government
Sorry to burst your bubble
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
a thousand pardons
We’re just gonna agree to disagree. I hope RP does get the nomination so he can try to explain to America why that should be legal, and watch em get laughed off stage.
Lol given up huh?
For sure man
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Your not gonna convince me of anything
And I wont convince you of anything, that’s why talking politics goes nowhere. So why keep banging our heads against the wall?
News flaw America is already fucked
Why not tax and regulate shit that Cartels are making billions on?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
I like to see people live I guess?
Cartels are ALWAYS gonna be around. You take that away they’ll find something else to sell.
What exactly?
They couldn’t come close to makin the same money on other rackets that they do with drugs.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah thy turned to drugs
Because it’s another prohibited drug, what will they do? Prostitution?
Besides the point that doesn’t matter, I’m talking about America making money off of drugs instead of Cartels. Criminals will always exist, but taking away a main source of funding for death can only help the situation
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
So you want America to turn into a cartel
You honestly think making coke and heroin more accessible it’s gonna be better for an already over-addictive nation?
What?
Are you forgetting all the fabulous legal drugs in circulation now?
Alcohol/tobacco kill more a year then every illegal drug combined, but legalizing them turns us I to a cartel?
Now you’re just fear mongering
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Right
Cuz cocaine and heorin are comparable to alcohol and cigarettes. I’m not fear mongering, maybe you shouldn’t be so ho-hum about shit like those 2 terrible drugs.
Hell yeah they are
Especially since the death tolls are so exponentially higher, just because the american lobbyist cartels got a hold of it doesn’t make it better the. Any other drug
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
And Heroin isn't even bad
It doesn’t turn people crazy murdering fiends, it just mellows them out and passes them out.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ha, man, that's too funny
I gotta stop arguing with you about this. Making it legal is just jump up the usage to insane amounts. Cuz that what America needs, more cokeheads.
The cigarette and alcohol lobby
Will now be joined by the cocaine and heroin lobby.
Man, I bet they could come up with some awesome cocaine ads
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet the more the merrier I say
Don’t see what makes alcohol/tobacky so special it kills people all the same.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Don't see why not
Cant fathom how drugs just as bad as alcohol/tobacco are fine but other drugs aren’t.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
If you really can't see a difference between those
And cigarettes and liquor, then you’re on your own
What's the difference?
Theyre all drugs with the potential to kill you or others, as well as cause violence.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Your taking me left field
I don’t even know where to go anymore. We’re talking about a guy who wont even get the nomination.
Hasn't been decided yet
We’re just having a discussion don’t see why you gotta be afraid to answer
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Answer what? I've answered everything
Jesus man we get it, you like your coke. You think it’ll be pleasantville with everyone having an even easier and cheaper time obtaining it.
I don't like coke
I only support freedom
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
Weapons, human trafficing, new synthetic drugs, Canada
A bunch of stuff no one wants a piece of
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Drugs again?
Nd they’re doing all of that now, sti doesn’t come close to drugs.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
So every time a new drug comes out its legal?
Well, that seems pretty fucking stupid.
Oh right, he wants to shut down the FDA as well.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about you guys
But I like clean food, clean air, clean products, and holding big business accountable for where they put dangerous/hazardous shit. Gasland’s a damn good documentary to watch, just caught that on HBO awhile ago
Why couldn't you have those things without them?
You telling me they didnt exist prior to the EPA/FDA
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
More like the EDA
Theyve single handedly killed off smaller businesses and allowed big corps to step in and take over
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah the FDA
Poisoning the peoe for decades now
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
those are the only alternatives
a complete failure of a war on ingesting a substance (the second time’s the charm!), or selling it like candy.
by nickpapagiorgio on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Finally
Can use my debit card instead of going to the fucking ATM
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Millions dead a year over a failed drug war, and billions of dollars a year spent
Is really so much better
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Mexico claimed 1500 dead in 9 months last year due to their drug wars
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Meant to say millions dead over a failed drug war
Not a year damn phone
Same with billions
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Sam Hurd is the poor mans Tim Tebow.
"We couldn't beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse"
John Madden 1975 Chiefs-42 Raiders-10
Love this quote
I couldn’t have gotten so stinking rich without George Bush, George Bush Jr., Ronald Reagan, even El Presidente Obama, none of them have the cajones to stand up to all the big money that wants to keep this stuff illegal. From the bottom of my heart, I want to say, Gracias amigos, I owe my whole empire to you.
-El Chapo Guzman current leader of the Sinaloa Drug CArtel and Billionaire
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
I had a thought
Some past American presidents
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would have welcomed Armegeddon on their Watch
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
We're getting close with the obamster...
Iran-Russia-china are not very happy right now.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
When have Iran, Russia, and China ever been happy?
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Agh.
It’d just be awful club music and gold necklaces. No thank you, I’ll take members only jacket and irradiated reporters.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Unless you like WWIII
The answer is yes.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Because nobody really wants the death of the world
Theyd rather wait as long as possible to reach that
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I never said that it was all unhappiness
But that’s a precursor to war, I don’t think Japan was happy when we put an embargo on oil or when they attacked us afterwards either
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
They were for a minute
Then we gotta start shit with Iran
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
They weren't happy for a minute.
They were going through some very trying internal politics between the establishment and their President. I’d lean on the escalated tensions as a new headline to bump that one down. Just like the Thormans will try to do to this one.
by KeyboardGato on Jan 16, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
They were happy with is because they enjoyed our business
Not so much anymore
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Of course they do
They’re tired of going to prison for victim-less crimes
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to support an organization:
That has reports coming out like this.
That gladly raises ticket/parking prices but doesn’t raise the payroll for players.
That let’s players (at positions of need) leave over politics, who go on to have probowl seasons on playoff teams.
That says they arent’ about winning A Super Bowl, but multiple Super Bowls, but can’t even win the worst division in the NFL.
That has a GM that refuses to admit he brought in a failure at the QB position and continues to ride him despite his flaws, and won’t address that position.
by Lil'Sparky on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
If anything good can come out of this
It could be a way to finally get Pioli out of town
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 16, 2012 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
i'm gonna have to agree.
tired of this childish drama. especially when the core of our consistent performers were drafted by a previous regime and as the person responsible for most of this…..you havent done much of anything to help this team.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
just read the article for the 3rd time
8 out of the 24 interviewed were current employees.
Farmer and Davis were among those, and their interviews were the only two conducted without a Chiefs PR staffer present. Each of the employees spoke favorably about the working environment and the team’s direction.
There were NO AND I REPEAT NO quotes from current employees. No stories. Kinda odd that they didn’t have any quotes or stories. All that is said is that the other current employees requested anonymity. And Davis was not even quoted directly. The other 6 were not said to have said anything positive or negative or even agree with the stories.
Not to mention that those fired don’t seem to have jobs in football. “Several former staffers admitted that it’s difficult being without a job, particularly one in sports”.
Those of you with arguments that current staffers are saying negative things, the evidence points against you. Babb uses clever wording to disguise that.
Now, the stories themselves probably have truth mixed with exaggeration due to being from former employees. Also remember that it has been researched that up to 70% of eyewitness testimony is inaccurate.
Finally, notice how the title, introduction, and conclusion all present a negative view of the chiefs. In writing, these are the three most important parts that indicate the point of the writing. Obviously, Babb wanted to present a view of the Chiefs that would cause conflict and sell papers.
I encourage everyone to read through the article again and think about some of the missing pieces to these stories. Think about the people interviewed. Also, think about Babb’s job as a writer and the point he wanted to get across to sell. I’ve learned to never take reporter’s words as martial law (besides Adam Shefter==beast)
Pioli may be a dictator but I don’t see it as such a bad thing.
Does anyone know how many positions of work are available in the Chiefs organization. I would think 24 is a minority of the workers in the last 2/3 years.
Anyone see this on the same page?
by superpioli on Jan 16, 2012 8:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Is this really our concern right now?
Can we all just relax and stop bringing Chiefs front office drama into our situation right now. Chances are these are just pissed off employees have something to say all of a sudden. Who cares if he notices candy wrappers? Who cares if he knows the coffee nudget? Personally I don’t care what he does as long as brings us a damn winner! Anything illegal although not acceptable is almost certainly done other places throughout the NFL as well. Go Chiefs and Go Romeo!
OH NOZ!
Really? All this over a few disgruntled fired employees? I sell cars at a Toyota Dealership, our phone calls are recorded, our finance offices are video and audio recorded. Once again, we are a Toyota dealership, not a NFL Franchise. How are so many retards shocked by the fact there “MAY” be some places in the Chiefs offices that are recorded? I honestly would be shocked to find out that a NFL Franchise doesn’t do some type of monitoring for quality control. Personal cell phones being bugged? Ya thats messed up, but what do we have to lean on? A bunch of accusations from people who were fired from there jobs? Show me one person who is happy and has nice things to say about the place they were just fired from? In the meantime, lets just make the biggest deal we can about this. OH NOZ! Fired people are crying about being fired! Lets blame the Chiefs and write articles out of sheer off-season boredom and lack of real news.
Relentless.... Just like the Honey badger....
by Undaunted_Fish on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM CST reply actions
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