Draft Talk Thread - 1/16/12-1/23/12 - Trashy Edition With Hot Links
by upamtn on Jan 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST
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Keep in mind that these draft pages are VERY fluid in nature, and the lists are updated on a regular basis for most websites. Some have more or less information than others. Many will have very similar lists for the top 10 or 20 players before you see a lot of differing opinions And how will the rankings ultimately shake out? Much depends on the Combine. For now, it's a waiting game as much as a guessing game, and your guess is as good as mine, except when it isn't. So there's that ...
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So where is the PAYDAY wrapper?
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
draftsite.com is the only mock draft website I follow
its a 7 round mock year round that updates once a week. Not just NFL but other major sports as well. Plus draft archives
I'll get it added ... thank you!
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Hey up I deleted those fan posts, didnt know I was doing plagurism, just coping info.
now I know. I can copy just gotta give credit when I do. lol.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 18, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
I saw and cool, thanks ...
best thing: copy a small part and blockquote it and link to it … or, in some case, all you need is the link and a few words … that’s what fanshots are great for: outside sources or videos, etc … you just drop it in a fanshot, or a link to something use the fanshots
with the SOPA and PIPA things coming down, if they’re passed, things could look a whole lot different than they do now, even here on AP
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it's not just "don't copy without giving credit"
it’s also don’t copy the whole thing, even giving the credit … if you use something from outside, sure … copy a little and blockquote and give credit and the link, but … only do that as a SMALL part of an original post
all the rest of the post should be your words and thoughts, etc … get it? got it? good!
seeya :-)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
That site doesn't have a great draft for us haha
Quinton Coples
Ta’amu
Cousins
Cyrus Gray
Patrick Edwards
Donnie Fletcher
Donyae Coleman
G.J. Kinne
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 6:10 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't address O line. Seems pretty realistic to me :)
Actually, Coples seems like he could turn into a monster as a 3-4 RDE. If something happens with Dorsey…..
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I believe Bailey could become a great 5 tech
However it would be at LDE, with Tjax at RDE. Keeps the better run stuffer next to Hali allowing him to do what he does, and Houston can help Bailey against the run while Bailey adds pass rush opposite Hali when we only send 4
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Ehhh.... That sounds good in theory, but I'm not so sure how it'd work in practice.
It’s more of a strong/weak side thing, you want your most immovable guy on the side with the TE, and that’s probably gonna be TJax.
The idea of having two pass rushers on one side is to confuse the best (left) tackle. He won’t be as good blocking Hali if he has to worry about the DE getting past the left guard & running back.
That’s just traditional, though. I think Hali switches sides a lot during games.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Hali and Houston switch quite a bit.
I’m not sold on Bailey as Dorsey’s replacement any time soon. I would like to see the Chiefs have two DT/DEs they can swap from left to right in much the same way as Houston and Hali are switched. Be nice to have that flexibility, to exploit different styles of O-Lines with different styles of D-Lines. RAC sort of got an edge last season, by using different players with different traits in different places at different times. In that surprise win against GB, it seemed to me like they were virtually unrecognizable from the KC D that played the previous umpteen games. I like a system that stresses the fundamentals, so that it’s all the same to OUR guys, but is tough to figure out for the bad guys.
Be great if Bailey took the next step.
would of ≠ would've
I still maintain Bailey isn't hoss enough to 2-gap
But even furthermore – and muy more importantly for me since I want to see RAC going to an attacking 3-4 much more often – it’d be a waste of his pass rushing potential; which I feel could become purty dominant, or at least game impacting. I’m not ready to say he could become our Justin Smith – but he could become our Ray McDonald at the least.
I’m not sold on Bailey as Dorsey’s replacement any time soon. I would like to see the Chiefs have two DT/DEs they can swap from left to right in much the same way as Houston and Hali are switched. Be nice to have that flexibility, to exploit different styles of O-Lines with different styles of D-Lines. RAC sort of got an edge last season, by using different players with different traits in different places at different times.I kinda have a gut feeling they might let Gilberry split, so I think Bailey taking over for Gilberry full-time would be a great start.
Now that Brockers is entering, he’d my dream “all-D-the-first-3-rounds” 5-tech pick over Still now. Yep – Brockers, 1st; Hightower, 2nd; and still haven’t made up my mind on S in the 3rd. What’s your fave safety pick?
If Carr splits, then Claiborne is my pick if he’s on the board at 11/12. I like Minnifield too. Just not really big on Kirkpatrick in our system because he’s a bit lacking in lateral agility, amongst a couple of other minor weaknesses. Claiborne can just fly all over the field; he reminds of a talller and faster Flowers. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
LoCooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :-)
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Yannoo ... the more I think about it ... Uppers
The more I’m convinced the late, great AWESOME Hunter S. Thompson was indeed D.B. Cooper. He matches the dress (at least as a disguise?), mannerisms, behavior, and conversation the flight attendants recall purty well. Even very roughly resembles the FBI’s facial sketch.
If Copper did die, sure wish I could’ve found the pesos in that Oregon wilderness I wandered around a bit. What was the name of that town in Oregon you liked that was straighter than SF, and made Bolder look Republican?
Ahhh, hell … it finally got cold here in Missery, and I’m done plumb froze out from hanging outside with my critters tonight. Might have ta finally email ya. Ya shor do gots a purty mouth. ;=)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Philomath, OR
just west of Corvallis (Oregon State University)
interesting movie about the place, too …
http://www.clearcutmovie.com/synopsis.php
and a bit of history …
http://www.bentoncountymuseum.org/exhibitions/colleges/index.cfm
you’d love it up there … mild weather, some GORGEOUS country, woods and forests and gentle mountains … close to the coast to the West, and Willamette Valley to the East
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Oh you like Brockers too?
Knew i wasnt the only fan, hes a perfect fit at RDE but is scheme diverse and would allow Crennel more creativity and flexibility in defensive schemes.
Plus hes only 21 i think so he has tons of upside, will get great coaching here and we have the system/leadership in place(part time work in the nickel rookie year while he continues to grow) for him to to become a monster.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 2:41 AM CST up reply actions
part-time in the nickel package for a 1st Rounder ...
if that’s all we get out of him, is it really worth a 1st Round pick?
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He wouldnt stay there
Hes not the perfect RDE because all well get out of him is part-tine nickel guy. Coming to KC hes going to be put in a completely different situation, new positions and environment so having him sit and learn from some of the best and continuing to gain strength and develop his pass rush can only help in the long run.
Hes got Richard Seymour upside, and with our deficiencies at fetting to the passer in base packages Brockers has to intriguing to the higher-ups
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I know I'd be guilty of egregious heresy on here, and sentenced to burn at the stake.
But I’d like taking a FS pick that’s faster than Lewis. He’s just a tad too slow to play deep FS against the speed receivers/vertical passing games; as getting beat in the Raiders game pointed out. I kinda like Merkelle Martin, but not sold in him.
I’m also going against the grain and saying – with the rule changes basically making S’ties and LB’ers putting the big whamo-crunch on receivers playing off-zone illegal, I want S’ties and CB’s that are great at press-man/man-to-man coverages, even against on TE’s. I agree with Chuckie when he said that the best thing to do now would be to go to DB’s with good man coverage skills, and forget the big SS’ties that only offer big hits. I think Lewis would make a great cover man/zone S’ty on slot receivers or TE’s in the short to medium underneath routes. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this and with the statements, above, Loco.
Sitting right there at #11 and plucking Claiborne or some other slippage victim would be OK with me. I think Decastro’s also Top 10 grade, from everything I’ve seen, heard and read, so if he slipped to #11, I’d be a sort of heretic, myself.
I liked what I read on Minnifield, and would be tempted if KC got into the late 1st or early 2nd. I think you and I see the coverage situation much the same. It might be because we’re equally ignorant. I’m a real throwback to simpler coverage schemes with better athletes.
I’m not so sure that Lewis is SLOW, as much as I think he’s not fast enough to make up for Berry being gone. Regardless, I’m in favor of more speed in the D backfield, more contact at the line, with more physical DBs, and a little more emphasis on speed on the back end. Whenever you’re up against speed, I think you ought to be making those first 2 steps a lot tougher. Playing soft, with deep help just means you’re more likely to be beaten in space, imo.
would of ≠ would've
Lewis
I agree I think it’s he does not have elite speed and breaking ability for his lack of size. Not a bad player but a quicker 3rd safety would help a lot.
I don't know if im seeing a different Lewis but I thought he was pretty impressive
He looked very quick the whole season especially the last game
Dexter McCluster
He's quick, but not really fast.
I think he’s like a mid 4.5 guy, which is respectable, but not really special. In the 2-deep shell, he’s fine, sided by somebody as fast or faster than he is, but not with somebody slower. So I’d make it a priority to get somebody as fast or faster, when maybe his starting spot goes up for grabs, and I have one wicked 3-safety nickel package.
I really like Lewis as the designated jammer at the line against the tougher TEs and big WRs. Another guy with as much or more speed as Lewis, and that might free Lewis to do more of that kind of thing, rather than being the deep guy all day, because he’s the only guy who does it well. It’s just too bad that Eric Berry was hurt when he was. They were on their way to being something special, and now it’s wait-and-see with Berry’s ACL.
would of ≠ would've
Hali switches a lot, however unless Bailey really improves his run defense
and was plugged in at RDE, that would leave huge holes to run though. Houston on the strong side has been progressing very nicely and could help Bailey set the edge
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 17, 2012 5:51 AM CST up reply actions
Bailey may be destined to replace gilberry as rush end in that nickel package.
I would not be upset to see Coples in first or even trade back and take Brockers later. (As long as we still address O-Line thru FA or in second round and again in later rounds.
Positions most in need of upgrade: QB,RB,OT,OG,TE,DE,NT, ILB, CB depth, FS depth, SS depth
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Wouldn't put RB that high
Take a shot or two late and see what works out, once the Oline is fixed then RBs can be plugged and played
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Our need for a Complimentary RB is Great but likely to be filled in FA or with a 4th or 5th round pick.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Yeah there are some good later round guys
Pierce/Martin/Ganaway
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
BAMF did you get a chance to check out Bolden, Ole Miss?
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Not a bad one cut back
Needs to work on keeping his pad level down, along with adding some muscle to his lower body.. never got a great look at breakaway speed though.
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Like him, not as much as Martin or Pierce but he should be available later than those 2
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 5:42 AM CST up reply actions
Really like some of the later round RB prospects.
After Richardson and Wilson these guys offer a lot of value. Potential to be great Feature or Complimentary RB.
2nd: Wilson (VA Tech)
3rd: Martin (Boise), Pierce (Temp)
4th or 5th: Gray (aTm), Heron (OSU), Ganaway (BU), Ballard (Ms St
6th: Megget (MD), Bolden (MS)
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Thats a little high for Martin as of right now
He could rise but I have seen a lot of 5th or later values on him
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
Unless he has a horrible combine
I think wed be lucky to grab him in the 4th.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 2:42 AM CST up reply actions
I like the kid out of Miami as well
kinda glides along like Charles
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
love Patrick Edwards in later rounds
love it!!!!!!!
In nomeni parti et fili spiritus sancti
by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 16, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
Here's what I posted on the other fanpost...
First I hope that we resign Bowe, Carr, McClain, and Orton. Orton isn’t a necessity, but would prefer this to be the case. Resign Richardson too and see if he can beat out Lilja at LG.
Free Agents
Ben Grubbs (BAL) – OG – He’s going to come much cheaper than Nicks… Though I’m ok with keeping Lilja for a year, then let our youth movement II take over. Personally I want a bigger OG to help us power through on short yards. Our OG draftee will be that guy. Yet Grubbs is a nice stop gap to help bring experience to the line.
Aubrayo Franklin (NO) – NT – Maybe a little bit of humility, and a big strive to get another big paycheck will land him in KC on the cheap. Get him on a 2 year contract then let him go if Powe is ready to take over.
Ultimately I’d like to drop back in the 1st round, but that is always the case… unless you are drafting 32ndish.
Michael Bush (Raiders) – RB – I’m sick and tired of this guy gashing us. Lets take the Raiders weapon and use him on them next season. Much like we did with Marcus Allen.
Dashon Goldson (SF) – S – Its ok to let Jersey Shore go with this acquisition right?
Draft:
1. Jonathan Martin OT – Stanford- Ya… Ya he will be a right tackle for us, and we are drafting him in the first round. Though looking at the best passing offensive lines in 2011 they have 1st round right tackles. Albert might want to try free agency next year. If that is the case we already have someone with experience that can flip to the left tackle position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsB5VMPs7fU
2. Cordy Glenn OG – Georgia – Many are clamoring over DeCastro in the first… yet I’m not sold on the talent at Tackle. Many are projecting Glenn going in the first round to Pit. I doubt and fully expect to see him still around when we pick in the 2nd. I want a guard that you know is there… and at 345 lbs with a 5.28 40 time. That is alot of momentum to let someone know that you are there. FYI he is as fast as DeCastro, but as big as Carl Nicks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR17zu7i5z0
3. Coby Fleener TE- Stafford The big knock on Fleener is that he isn’t much of a run blocker. This is fine by me as we have Steve Maneri in to help out on the run. Moeaki, Fleener, Bowe, Breaston, and Baldwin make the DB’s stay honest. Thus allowing Charles in the backfield to do his thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH9gvVQ73lg
(Note: if we think Fleener will be gone by our pick in the 2nd, and/or if Glenn is gone… pick Fleener in the 2nd and go with Kevin Zeitler
4. Nick Foles QB – Arizona – This pick is mostly if Orton isn’t signed. 6’5 245 QB’s don’t just drop off of trees.If Orton isn’t locked up then I hope for Trenton Richardson Safety out of Michigan State.
"Robinson has the size and speed of a cornerback but it doesn’t take much film-watching to see why the Spartans like his physicality at the safety position. This under-the-radar high school recruit has more than exceeded expectations during his first three years in East Lansing."
5. Brandon Bolden RB – Ole Miss -Way better value than grabbing Richardson in the first. Could he be a Thomas Jones in his prime for us? He’s got what it takes and in the 5th this is the perfect time for us to get a RB.
6. Nicholas Jean Baptiste – DT – Baylor – He has the size of Poe, and the speed of Chapman.Great project to go with Powe.
7.Deangelo Peterson TE – LSU – Big tight end project to put on special teams to get his mind in the game at the NFL level.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I could live with that :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I take that as a huge compliment.
I know how much you love you some Decastro…. I have a feeling he will be gone before we pick.
Maybe I’ll do one with him…though I really don’t really like the current free agents. Maybe we see a RT become a casualty to the cap.
Go Chiefs!!!!
yanno, not sure about Adams ... love the first pick, of course
who else is out there? Sanders in second?
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
from Ohio St to begin with ... not fond of anyone associated with Tressel
he has a few flaws, not that others don’t, of course … just something says “nope, move on, find someone else”
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And Brandon Mosley.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Adams has been tainted from playing for Ohio State. lol
A Dog's Heart
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
this ^^^
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Now to be fair, Commissar Uppers
I’m not ready to banish Adams to Siberia just yet. OSU’s starting Center, Mike Brewster, is known as a high-character guy. Adams isn’t beyond redemption yet. I just also think he’s just better suited for a PMS. Unless Pioli wants a big RT that doesn’t pull much. However, Adams would be a HELLA upgrade over the Human Windmill!
I’m also really, really afraid Pioli is still considering another midget Houston-type ZBS C. I shudder at the thought. (insert exasperated eye-roll here) Of course, that guy would have to sit behind Wiegs for a season … cuz Wiegs is going for 12,000 + straight, baby! Even if Pioli drafted your heartthrob DeCastro, he’d have to sit for a season behind Lilja. That’s just part of the process … so you gots to be PATIENT, baby! ;=) Have a nice day!
A Dog's Heart
He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Mims?
Unless Pioli wants a big RT that doesn’t pull much
as for our new midget Center … that would be Hudson, and if Wiegs doesn’t hang ‘em up this off season I’ll be shocked and a bit disappointed
and as one vulture said to the other: patience my ass, I’m gonna go kill something
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I love that idea...
It might even be worth suffering through the growing pains… By not getting a FA RT.
Go Chiefs!!!!
By not getting a fart...
I usually find thats a relief
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by ArrowHeadUnDead on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 AM CST up reply actions
If we got a FART we would have to give a FART in return.
Above draft mock not bad but I doubt RAC will allow Defense to be neglected to that extent. I do think we will see RAC taking an interest in seeing the Offense improved. An opposing Offense can’t score when they don’t have the ball.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I agree with grubbs pickup in Free Agency, that would solve alot of our problems quick.
I wanted the chiefs to pick him when he came out of auburn, watching him tonight confirmed I still really like the guy and think he would fit great in a chiefs uni,
that alone would give us,
LT albert
LG grubbs
C hudson
RG asamoah
RT ?
thats a solid 4 of 5 lineman. plus we wouldnt have to see lilja’s bum self anymore personally I would rather have richardson than lilja. while we are at it though we should also pick up chilo rachal in free agency for depth.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 15, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
That is a pretty tough line...
The right side might be a bit weak, but I think Martin solidifies that RT spot. Thus making Asamoah better. This could be the making of a dynasty line.
Next year, fix the QB.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I would not be too upset to see QB upgraded later rather than sooner.
Either Cassel or Orton may be able to bloom into a very capable QB. Rogers did not break out until 6 years in league, Alex Smith took 7 years to bloom into a Playoff QB. Len Dawson did not even play as a starter for his first 5 years as a pro. We need to upgrade but we have other pressing needs as well.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I like this.
I’d like this even better with Antonio Allen in the 4th. I like both Glenn and Zeitler in round 2 range.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Antonio Allen would be great here too...
How is his versatility, cause that is what I was thinking with pick Can he play cb in a pinch? Talented DB depth would be a great move here, especially if we landed someone like Goldson.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Intersecting that he plays the spur...
Maybe he could be McGraw with some upside.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Yeah he plays a lot like the role we had McGraw in last year
Iloka is another name to watch out for, a S/CB from Boise
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 6:04 AM CST up reply actions
As much as I like SS Allen as a mid-round pick, I may like George Iloka ( Boise) even more.
Iloka has more tools than many Safeties. I like his cover abilities, his height, his long speed to get deep in coverage, his size to play close to the line. He seems to have a lot of versatility like Berry.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Yeah except he didn't play too great deep, was beaten a few times
Looked better when moved to CB and was able to play the receiver instead of a zone
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
A man safety/CB might be a good asset in our defense.
I’d be worried about Iloka’s level of competition. He didn’t see great passing games very often.
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IMO 4th round and on are good spots to put more value on a high ceiling rather than a high floor.
Iloka seems like a High Ceiling type.
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Isn't that who Jalil Brown is?
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Good thing he went in the 4th
:D
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 16, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Facts, schmacts.
Nice grab. Who DID they take in the 5th. Gabe Miller, wasn’t it?
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And Stanzi.
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Might be.
Safeties and CBs aren’t always as interchangeable as we’d like….there’s a mental part to playing safety that some corners just don’t have. I really don’t know how Brown is gonna do, haven’t seen enough of him on defense.
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I remember he did well against the Pats TEs
That’s like the standard too
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Cool. I missed that game.
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Long speed, Deep Speed, Recovery speed may be more important at FS than any other DB position.
Straight speed is the weakest attribute of our current FS. Berry (when healthy) has great speed but he is usually the guy going forward toward the line. Lewis is rather slow and the guy relied on to protect over the top. I always thought Brown would get a look at depth for the FS position.
It is actually important for current DB’s to be more versitile and more interchangable in responsibilities. Safeties with more man cover skills and CBs who are more aggressive at run support and sure tacklers.
Guys I like in 2nd or 3rd round:
SS – Allen (SC), Smith (ND)
FS – Martin (OSU), Iloka (Boise)
CB – Minnifield (VA), Gilmore (SC), Johnson (Mont),
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
I was hoping to see more coverage and less mopping-up by Berry in 2011.
Needed the key stops in the run game in 2010, although he was asserting himself a little against TEs.
I agree that speed on the back end is called for. I’m not sure that freeing Berry up for more FS and CB duties wouldn’t take them to a higher level. Lewis can hold up his end, if you side him with more speed, so Lewis doesn’t have to cover as much area on his own. It wasn’t so much that he was slow last year, but that the guy next to him was slow.
I think Lewis would be fine with Berry and/or another DB with speed. I feel kinda the same way about Travis Daniels. Both look like guys I’d want to keep, and keep adding to. And that’s assuming they re-sign Brandon Carr.
Right now, teams like New England can run them out of DBs or turn around and run the ball at ‘em, using those 2 TEs. Last week, we saw ’em get a defense to set up to stop Gronk and Hernandez thru the air, and the bastards lined Hernandez up in the backfield and handed him the ball. Taking a glance at your FS picks, while I’m not going to take a guy just because he’s fast, I sure might avoid a guy if he isn’t. These guys project to run 4.58 in the 40. So I’m not sure either of these guys would make a huge speed difference.
That said, inverted coverages, with real speed on the back end, might be a trend. New England, in particular, has moved a corner back to safety, not because corner play was lacking, but because the safeties weren’t getting it done. I think everyone knows I’m partial to putting your bigger, more physical ‘backs up on the line and control how the receivers, TEs and RBs get into their routes, with better cover guys behind them, making the most off the re-direct, with the up-back having the option of blitzing or playing the trail position, playing the QB more than the receiver, but tightening the window, while the deep guy is playin’ pure coverage. Travis Daniels might be very good in that role. Real flexible hips, suitable for man-off.
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Hey here's a couple of late round Guys you might like.
Asa Jackson CB 5’10" 188 he runs a 4.40 forty and is projected to go 6th or 7th round. He’s one of my late round gems, who has played QB/RB and returned punts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfiNU02HFWE
Damien Jackson FS 6’2" 210 he runs a 4.58 forty and is projected to go in the 7th round. This kid likes to hit and is good at stopping the run. He would be good depth at either Safety position but has to work on his flexibility and coverage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNHCvsIXDDc. Sorry about the quality of the videos and you might want to just mute:P
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Wonder if someone like Janzen Jackson would be on Pioli's radar for a late round pick
Was a good FS prospect outta Tenn, had some issues transferred to McNeese State. Has played Safety at Tenn but has switched between S/CB at McNeese
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
I'll have to check him out.
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There was talk of drugs being the reasoning he was released from Tenn
Not sure if there was ever an official reason why, he was a good prospect though and is coming out
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Thx for the new names, CPT.
BAMF’s Jackson suggestion bears consideration, as well.
They could accomplish something just by putting in a bad-ass SS, and freeing-up some other guys like Berry and Lewis to do other things, too. For instance, in limited snaps, I really liked what Lewis could do up at the line. He’s one who could control how and when the receiver got into his route, and that is the most glariing thing I see in this (and other) secondary(ies). Forget about being better on the back end. There’s too much speed on opposing offenses to let people off the line untouched (or only pitty-patted). You need to do more to take the edge off that speed at the supply side.
A couple big issues with the deep help last season, due to lack of speed. First, they couldn’t disguise their intentions very well. Second, it doesn’t matter if you’re deep enough if you’re slow. There’s an area behind the LBs that’s vulnerable, plus if the play gets extended, the deep help is just another guy who’s either falling behind or just too late.
KC tried a little something like what I’m talking about, with Flowers, and he just didn’t seem to have the instincts for it. In my perfect secondary, Flowers is the guy taking on the #2 or #3 or #4 receiver, 1-on-1, maybe the #1, if he’s not tree-sized.
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Janzen Jackson was playing next to Berry at Tenn.
Jackson is VERY talented. But yeah, he was kicked out of Tenn for drugs, or something like that. Rolling the dice on Jackson either cleaning up his act, or staying clean and dedicated … would be a STEAL! A total, REAL steal! :+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Jansen didn't have a very good season at McNeese St. though.
For whatever reasons. But he’s still a junior anyway. If we could get him as an UDFA, that would be awesome.
Also, Omar Bolden, AZ. St, for a latter-rd or UDFA CB depth. He has a lot of talent, too. But two knee injuries in 2009 and last season have derailed his college career. Just another roll-the-dice pick for DB depth if he could get and stay healthy with an NFL conditioning & medcial program. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Janzen switched to CB at McNeese
Played FS at Tenn before.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'd look for D'Anton Lynn (PSU) also.
Nice size and strength. Played on solid Defense. good support against run. Might be UDFA or sneak into 7th .
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Yeah it would be nice to find one guy in the later rounds that's good enough to fill in at either Safety position.
Over all I’m damn happy with our secondary if we can resign Carr, we just need depth at safety.
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They start looking pretty thin, when offenses can go 3 or 4 deep in legit targets.
Not sure depth would do it, but one more starter, and their depth looks damn good.
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IMO SS and FS should be close to interchangable.
I think RAC would like to be more flexible. Berry’s great attribute is his versatility. Berry could play either SS or FS at a high level. (Even CB). Other teams seam to try to create a situation where they can get our slower Safety in a trailing situation or isolated in the middle and forcing him to have to make up ground to get deep or to edge. Our SS always seems to be going forward and FS seems to be going back or deep sides.
CBs can redirect and play press when they have the short burst and size to play physical. The SS by defenition must play strong against TEs as well as other responsibilities. The FS (Lewis) is the guy that is called on most often to use long speed to get deep, chase, make up ground to get out to boundry area. Just saying our slowest DB is the guy that needs long speed the most often. Also saying that Berry is most capable of moving to another position or adapting to different styles of coverage.
I’d like to see more size (Strength and reach) in any new CB and more speed and cover skill in any addition at Safety.
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Although with Berry
Lewis did look better than he looked at the start of the year, with Berry we let Lewis drop deep at the snap instead of asking him to read and react a lot of the time, as Berry handled that. It covered up his lack of speed, this year Lewis was able to play the ball better and should only improve with Berry back. Lewis could become valuable 3rd safety if we could find an improvement
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Lewis could also be CatChief's more physical jammer at the line.
One more talented DB and they really could start blurring the distinctions, which is great for the D and terrible for offenses.
With Berry, Lewis did a fair amount of pre-snap bluffing. Coming forward at the snap and then dropping in coverage. When Berry left, a lot of the ambiguity Lewis was able to create before the snap went out the window.
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Hmm ... maybe some of you are on my train with getting a faster FS for playing deep?
And playing Lewis up at the line, and covering the short to medium routes. That’d leave Berry free to blitz like freaking Roman Harper! :+D
So I’m all up for taking a FS/SS tweener in the 3rd. Good covers s’ties just physical enough to wrap up in run support is where its going to be at – since delivering these bone-jarring hits are illegal now.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I like the bigs to play big and the speedies to play speedy.
But you can hit a long dry spell just looking for speed, especially if you’re taking flyers on guys with injury history. That’s why the blue-chippers up high are so attractive to me. Let others debate how good/not-good Lewis is. Just keep adding the best talent to the position group and let the chips fall where they may.
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Personally, for a FS/CB tweener.
I like Trumaine Johnson – if he’s learned that when you fight authority (no matter how much you may be in the right against the jack-booted thugs), authority always wins; being tazed can’t be fun for even macho football players. Anywhoo, I watched some of Johnson in the FCS playoffs, and when they played … Wash. St.? I think. Johnson is a talented tweener to gamble on if he’s still in there the 4th, or especially the 5th; and gotta like his size at 6’2-197. He could cover TE’s.
Another FS/CB tweener that interests me is Neiko Thorpe. At 6’3-191, and with speed, he can cover off the line purty good. Just another one to consider in the 4th or 5th rd. (shrug)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like you've got your eye on quite a few DBs.
Thx for the info. Anything else on these guys would make good reading/watching.
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I love your idea of keeping B Rich.
I have heard he can play guard and also if Albert or Martin go down, he could fill in
Dexter McCluster
I don't want Foles, but if he is there in the third he would be worth it.
Next offseason is the year to get our franchise QB if Orton or Stanzi aren’t our guy.
Go Chiefs!!!!
BJ Coleman - QB - UT Chattanooga: 7th rd
Transfer student from Tennessee. He was set to be their QB when Lane Kiffin came in and screwed that entire program up.
He’s got a lot of raw talent. I’ve seen him play a couple of times and he can make the throws. His development took a hit when he dropped down to FCS football. He’d be a good project for Jim Zorn. Has the potential to be a pretty good QB in the NFL, but if he isn’t, then oh well, it was a 7th rd pick.
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by citadelchief on Jan 16, 2012 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is what we do if we don't trade up this year.
A late rounder who can compete with Stanzi and whatever veteran in the preseason, and wouldn’t be too painful to cut if he doesn’t work out.
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I like the beginning two rounds, we need people who can pass block for Orton (assuming we keep him.
But I think we need to get some secondary depth in the middle rounds, for sure a safety that can play both spots. I like the RB pick, we need a big back to compliment JC (especially early next season) and I dont think Battle can do it.
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 15, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
I like this. I agree with all your reasoning. Even with a RT in the first round :/
The really bad thing is that Martin doesn’t seem like he’d be that great at RT….seems much more suited to blind-side tackle. But I’ve been nervous for a long while about what happens if Albert goes down for awhile, so I can’t really poo-poo on getting him a backup.
I’m a Glenn fan, really would like it if he fell to our second rounder.
As others have said, Foles is probably gone before the fourth. But I dunno, Stanzi dropped last year, so maybe.
If we got a NT in free agency, then I’d look for a flier on a DE type. Derek Wolfe (Cin) might be around in the fifth or sixth rounds, or Jaye Howard (Florida).
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I'll never get why peeps don't get that guys like Cordy Glenn and Nicks are too freakin big and a bit slow in quicks and agility???
And Grubbs is like 30 or 31. No thanks to all three. Nicks and Glenn are custom made for the PMS, not the ZBS. It certainly appears to me that Pioli (or was it Haley then too?) is absolutely committed to purty much a pure ZBS. I mean … he wanted a REAL super shrimp, Jason Kelce, in the 6th rd, to go along with midget Hudson. That would’ve been a 6’3-282 pd. ultra-midget C, along with a 6’2-299 pd dwarf LG (presumably) in the middle. That’s Houston’s type ZBS ritch thar. We ain’t gettin Nicks nor Glenn.
For our ZBS, either a healthy Datko or Sanders would make the best sense since they’ve started in a ZBS at FSU for two seasons. They also played along side Hudson. Furthermore, neither one should make a lot of stupid penalties – especially like false starts; which is B-Rich’s BESTEST skill, and world renowned. This horrid offense can’t afford ANY penalties – or any OTHER mistakes for that matter. If you want to see why Datko and Sanders shouldn’t commit many false start penalties, watch these 2 vids: http://youtu.be/cV448r5f2qI, and: http://youtu.be/MgpPGfj1_sM Have a nice day! :+)
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Have you seen Nicks play?
he is usually the guy they pull and he is usually leading on screens, he is big but is very agile.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah ... I know he's a physical freak of nature.
Maybe I’m just growing biased and jaded when you look at Pioli drafting Hudson, and reading about his man-crush on Kelce too; Pioli just loves the little people apparently (throw Dex in there, too). Hey, I’m all for getting Nicks personally. Helen Keller could see and hear Wiegs and Lilja screaming while getting thrown into the heavens by the Raiders Godzilla DL’men and LB’ers; hell, even Ann Frank wrote about it in her diary! Lord knows we need a kickass interior OG! And I’d rather see us play a power-zone scheme anyway.
Just playing Devil’s Advocate from what I think Pioli is going to do, sadly. That’s one reason why I like DeCastro so much – he reminds of a smaller Nicks; but DeCastro needs to improve his pass-blocking a bit. Ehh, surely the Saints will keep him. And Clark/Pioli will never cough up the cash for Nicks. Just like RG-3, Nicks is a pipe dream. (le sigh) Grubbs is more likely. :=(
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Plus over-analyzing Nicks trying to find rationalizations for any weaknesses of his for Pioli to reject him.
I’m worse than any chick when it comes to finding unreasonable reasons for rejecting people. ;=) It lessons the pain.
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by LocoLoboChico on Jan 21, 2012 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Eh it is a pretty good way of looking at it however one could say
Pioli has said Oline will be a top priority this year, we need a guard badly and one of the best might just hit the market.. the market in which we have a ton of cash that we have to spend this year and next.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. Still in position to make a fat, front-loaded deal with somebody good.
Didn’t happen last year. But there are a handful of top players at various positions, any one of whom would help the Chiefs and greatly simplify the decisions going into and during the draft.
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Interesting.
Could Pioli have kept money tight last year in order to take advantage of this FA class?
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by citadelchief on Jan 22, 2012 3:31 AM CST up reply actions
Grubbs is 27 btw
And like Nicks is also a guy they pull and use in the screen game, to great effect even thiugh they run a smash mouth power blocking system.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 2:51 AM CST up reply actions
hey I found this, its salaries of chiefs players just to see how much money we really got.
seems hard to figure out they show some broke down yearly what they get and they show others just as a lump sum so im not sure how much they get each year, then its confusing they show some like dorsey or jackson who get alot of money but it doesnt add up they break it down where they only get like 1-2 million a year and it doesnt add up to the lump sum of the deal? maybe someone else can decifer it all and figure out a round about number of what we got to work with and how much we should focus on in the future with albert and asamoah coming up needing a new contract soon.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 15, 2012 8:55 PM CST reply actions
we have a few people who do posts just like that ... stick around, kid
you’ll see ’em in due time
Steve_Chiefs does a lot of posts similar to that with lists of salaries and cap space, etc … who’s signed and when their contract is up
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in fact, he just did
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/15/2703213/the-80-or-some-number-less
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
that didnt show anything about salaries of the team?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 17, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
it's called "google" ... try it sometime
http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Kansas-City-Chiefs-Salaries (2011)
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/ (full salary and contract end dates)
http://intheendzone.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=chiefs&action=display&thread=308 (2012)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What do you guys think of this?
1. G DeCastro
2. OT Adams (he may fall to us in the 2nd.)
3. QB Foles
4. TE David Paulson
5. RB Terrance Gannaway
6. KR/PR/RB/H-back/slot Jeff Demps
7. ILB Brian Hendricks (tackling machine. Pioli loves these guys)
7. C Bob Herbert (depth if Weigman retires plus hes an SEC guy)
Dexter McCluster
not bad at all
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Tell me more about Bob Herbet...
I like hearing about these late round guys.
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LSU Center
Chiefs love SEC especially LSU and a lot of times great lineman, especially centers, can be found in the later rounds. Hell Weigman was a UDFA. I dont know if Hudson is gonna play center next year but if he doesnt this guy could probably step in and start.
Dexter McCluster
Gotcha, didn't know the name, but I seem to remember him playing well in the bcs game...
Even though LSU sucked that day.
Go Chiefs!!!!
You're thinking of P.J. Lonergan.
Hebert didn’t even see the field against Bama. There was a bit of a controversy around C at LSU this past year.
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by citadelchief on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Ok... yes I remember that name.
Go Chiefs!!!!
His dad
was the one that freaked out on Les Miles in the post game press conference, so you may remember the name from that, too.
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Is he related to ol' Bobby Hebert?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well, I didn't watch any post game press conferences.
And it’d be kinda unusual for the son of a QB to become an Olineman…..
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demps going to give up football & just concentrate on track
by sodablaster on Jan 15, 2012 10:18 PM CST up reply actions
No, he is focusing on track at this point in time for the Olympics
Depending how he does, he could come back to football
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 6:06 AM CST up reply actions
Depends on Free Agency.
I doubt Adams falls to us in the 2nd. There are a lot of teams drafting ahead of us that need OT help, and they won’t pass up on him.
Not impressed at all with Foles right now. I think he’s taken a step (or ten) backwards. I’d rather take a late rd shot in the dark with a project QB than draft one in the 3rd. I’d like to see the Chiefs get BJ Coleman from UT Chattanooga as our project.
I like Hendricks, but you may want to look at Chris Galippo from Southern Cal. He should be available in that range as well. Underrated because he’s another kid who found himself in the Lane Kiffin doghouse. He would’ve been used a lot more this year if the Trojans were actually playing for something.
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by citadelchief on Jan 16, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
2009 and 2010 All Pac-10 Honorable Mention
Couldn’t adapt to the Tampa-2 defense though, so he ended up getting benched this season. But he has just about all the attributes you would want in a 3-4 SILB. Could be a diamond in the rough type of pick. Good size and strength, he’s got a good rep as a big hitter. Smart and instinctive, he’s learned how to read plays and QBs.
The negatives on him are his lack of range and that he got benched.
He was a 2011 preseason Butkus “Watch List” player, but that fell apart when he couldn’t adjust to playing MLB. He also caught the ire of Lane Kiffin after he called out Notre Dame for giving up.
He doesn’t translate to an NFL MLB, so that limits the number of teams that will be looking at him. Good chance for the Chiefs to get a late round steal.
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by citadelchief on Jan 16, 2012 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
I heard Demps may stay with track and not work on football leading up to draft.?????
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Posted above
Will work on the Olympic trails first, but has the option to return to football if it doesnt work out
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Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I like the needs that are addressed:
1. G DeCastro – Upgrades a key position.
2. OT Adams (he may fall to us in the 2nd.) – Great value in second.
3. QB Foles – Too high for a development guy. We got Stanzi. Take NT Chapman or SS Allen or CB Gillmore or FS Iloka or FS Lester.
4. TE David Paulson – Like Ellison or Koger later.
5. RB Terrance Gannaway – Great pick love his size and fit as a one cut back.
6. KR/PR/RB/H-back/slot Jeff Demps – Shows that Dex was picked to high.
7. ILB Brian Hendricks (tackling machine. Pioli loves these guys) – Too slow, too light.
7. C Bob Herbert (depth if Weigman retires plus hes an SEC guy) – Vlachos here.
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HA! Rec for hijacking your own post, Ups.
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aw shucks
Anyone coulda done it
Noone did
Everyone shoulda
Someone will
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
My mock after resigning McClain, Orton, Carr
Tag & Trade Bowe to Phil. for both 2nds & trading Cassel to Sea. for their 3rd.
FAs: Peyton Hillis, Paul Soliai, Marques Colston, & if he’s healthy & released….Peyton Manning
Trade down with Cincy for both of their 1sts & 4th
1. (1st from Cincy) Mike Adams – OT – 6’8" 300 #75
2. (1st from Cincy) Vontaze Burfict – MLB – 6’3" 252 #57
3. 2nd – Coby Fleener – TE – 6’6" 248 #82
4. (2nd from Phily) Peter Konz – C – 6’5" 315 #66
5. (2nd from Phily) Josh Chapman – DL – 6’1" 310 #92
6. (3rd from Seattle) Trumaine Johnson – CB – 6’2" 210 # 20
7. 3rd – Kevin Zeitler – G – 6’4" 315 #71
8. 4th – Cam Johnson – OLB – 6’4" 265 #54
9. (4th from Cincy) Matt Reynolds – OT – 6’6" 325 #77
10. 5th – Malik Jackson – OLB – 6’5" 265 #90
11. 6th – Kheeston Randall – DE – 6’5" 295 #96
12. 7th – Brian Peters – S – 6’4" 215 #27
13. 7th – Juron Criner – WR – 6’4" 210 #80
14. 7th – Greg Childs – WR – 6’3" 217 #83 (compensatory)
Criner is listed really low on CBS but is a first to second round pick on others........
………………He is a quality reciever, tall and really good hands. I hope The Chiefs keep an eye on him.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Well, he was hospitalized over the summer for "neurological testing."
No other details I can find. But apparently there was some worry that he might miss the season. Might be scaring some mockers. But this should be ironed out during the combine, assuming he’s invited.
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Have you seen enough from Baldwin to think he's going to be as good as Bowe?
I haven’t seen anything to make me think that yet.
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by citadelchief on Jan 16, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, didn't see Marques Colston there.
See it now.
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by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Baldwin will be a very different kind of WR.
None of KC QBs has yet learned how to get him the ball down the field, though. At least it looked like Orton was trying to find the areas to go to.
would of ≠ would've
Exactly what I saw. Orton was trying to get on same page. They just needed more time to develop.
Orton seemed to have the willingness or confidence to get the ball into tighter spots than other guys at QB for us.
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Considering his very limited practice?
I see him as what we expected, a great compliment to Bowe, not necessarily his replacement.
If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?
by electriclight on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
you lost me at Manning
then totally blew my head off with Adams and Burfict
two thumbs down just based on those
and you better hope we sign Orton if we trade Cassel … we won’t be getting Manning, healthy or otherwise (nor should we) and if you do pull off your Madden-esque trade and Orton doesn’t sign, that leaves us with Stanzi and … Stanzi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
something about adams really has me interested in him?
Big dude, seen alot of mauling from him, RT written all over him.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 17, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
save your breath, or words in this case, he ain't gonna listen to anything but Sherrod, oops
I mean DeCastro as who the team has to pick.
I wouldn't be against Adams
in the second round
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
don't you think I know we have to sign orton before trading cassel?
and what madden esc trade are you talking about? Dwayne Bowe to philadelphia for both of their seconds? Pretty similar to brandon marshall’s trade if you ask me. or is it trading down with cincinnati for both of their firsts? I’m not the only 1 on this website that’s posted that specific trade to cincy?
Great mock except I like Hightower much more than Bufict that high. I would not gamble on Burfict in first two rounds.
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i guess, seventh round would be a steal and a half!
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CBS.......here is why....I'll have to research it further
Intangibles: Threw a scare into the Arizona program when he was hospitalized after undergoing neurological testing during the off-season. Though head coach Mike Stoops told the media that he expects his star senior to “be the same player — or a better player — than he was a year ago,” scouts will certainly investigate the incident. Has practiced as a punt returner in the 2011 spring and may seem some time in this role this season.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
11 games 11 TDs not bad considering he wasn't suppose to even play, I'll have to do more research but I like his story, seems like a quality kid too
Receiving
Year Team G Rec Yds AVG Lng TD
2011 Arizona Wildcats 11 75 956 12.7 48 11
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Mock Draft With trades
I think if Trent Richardson is available at 11 or 12 when we draft we trade down with Cleveland and get their 22nd pick, 37 pick, and maybe a 5th or 6th round pick next year. Then trade up with 49ers and get there 30th pick for our 37th and our 107th pick. So in our first three rounds we would have picks 22, 30, 43, and 76. Drafting base off the walterfootball.com big board. I doubt Mike adams falls to 43 but I do think he falls out of the first round. I would love to get Aubrayo Franklin in free agency because we would get him alot cheaper then we would have last year and he would be playing his natural NT position.
Pick 22 – D. DeCastro – OG (Stan)
Pick 30 – D. Hightower – ILB (Bama)
Pick 43 – M. Adams – OT (Ohio St)
Pick 76 – C. Fleener – TE (Stan)
Pick 107 – traded to 49ers
5th Round – Charles Brown – CB (UNC)
6th Round – Ryan Broyles – WR (OU)
7th Round – Franklin – ILB (Ark)
I think it unlikely Decastro slips all the way to #22, although I like the trade with Cleveland.
In that case, I’d be OK with Konz or maybe other-than-OL in the 1st.
I’d like to see a pair of OLs in the 1st three rounds, though, so I like your thinking, although I’m not sure I’d take Adams, specifically.
So far, KC has waited a whole year to get their 2nd and 3rd round OL picks starting.
would of ≠ would've
I agree with hmills
I like the Cleveland trade but DeCastro at #22 and Adams at #43? not going to happen
Dexter McCluster
Agree with comments above
as for Aubrayo Franklin, it won’t happen. During free agency last season Pioli basically said that he doesn’t fit KC’s defensive scheme. I could see them going after Shawn Rogers though.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
another way to go
1) Kirkpatrick, CB
2) Fleener, TE
3) Chapman, NT
4) Brewster, C/G
5) Adcock, OT
6) Daniels, SS
7) Galippo, ILB
by stagdsp on Jan 16, 2012 7:22 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Did well against Stanfords 3-4 scheme in the bowl game
Got moved to guard due to injury late in the game and didn’t look that good, I specifically remember him getting pancaked pretty badly.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
based on cbs/draftscout rankings
This would be ideal if KC loses Carr and keeps Bowe, Gilberry and McClain
But, I could even see this if they keep Carr, as a BPA pick… but i’d prefer DeCastro or trade down
by stagdsp on Jan 16, 2012 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
we need a ShortStop?
who knew!
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Good shortstops are hard to find.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
If we went DB in 1st it would most likely be result of a trade back or having extra picks from trades or FA signings.
After trades, Signing an OG in FA and moving back
1st: CB Minnifield (VA)
2nd: OT Sanders (Fl St)
2nd: TE Fleener (Stan)
3rd: NT Chapman (AL)
3rd: RB Pierce (Temp), or Martin (Boise)
4th: FS Iloka (Boise)
5th: WR/KR Adams (Ark) or WR Wright (Ark) or OL Reynolds (BYU) or Shwartz (Cal) or Zusevics (Wi)
6th: ILB Franklin (Ark) or KR Demps (Fl) or TE Bryan (NC St)
7th: OC Vlachos (Al) or WR Childs (Ark) or ILB Galippo (USC) or CB Lynn (PSU
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
Those first 3 look like reaches, but if you like the players (and I do), go and and secure their services.
A more finely-tuned trade-down scenario might put the Chiefs high enough in the 2nd round to still have a good shot at Minnifield. The trade-down with Cleveland puts KC smack dab on the sweet spot, with the #37 pick (where some predicted Cleveland to take Minnifield if they keep that pick), in addition to the #22 in the 1st, where maybe one of the DLs or C/Gs is a good value. But the FA OG obviates that need, and really opens that 1st pick for the BPA.
I watched some of those Fleener highlights. He doesn’t look 6’6’’. I wonder if his speed will translate to the NFL. But I can see why so many, here, like the kid. I just wonder if there aren’t more than a few LBs at the NFL level who can keep up with him. He looks pretty shifty for his size, though, and that would expose those LBs. if that’s the case, then Fleener makes it tough to dial-up a defense. He doesn’t have to be a road-grader if defenses need to put a safety on him. Still, I’d rather have a road-grader who’ll make the catch when defenses show him no respect.
would of ≠ would've
Dre Kirkpatrick got caught up for pot
Be hilarious if he fell to our 3rd rounder and we drafted him, doubt that happens.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
Everyone seems to be caught in this lets trade dorsey and draft a replacement idea so i will throw out the best name.
Michael Brockers, and yes i know people will say “what another DT from LSU?” Well this guy is a stud. 6’6" 300+ with room to pack on more weight. He is very strong at the point of attack with a very good pad level. We would have to take him in the first but if we could get a late 2nd rounder for Dorsey how would you guys feel about it?
I'd like it
Brockers looks like he’s going to a stud, and is still quite young. Some huge potential there. If we could get a second out of Dorsey I would do it.
Agree on Brockers as potential replacement for Dorsey.
Brockers has more potential to wreck havoc as pass rusher than Dorsey from a DE position in 3-4.
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Steve_Chiefs mentioned Brockers not long ago ...
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/13/2705795/interesting-chiefs-draft-news-for-jan-13
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I tend to ignore all fanposts and fanshots not including "talk thread" and a date on them.
It’s almost a shame how much content that gets put out here and pushes out good content by people who can’t understand draft stuff in the draft thread and free agent talk in the free agent thread.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I know ... Steve does like THE bestest informational posts
lots of research, names, stats, links, thoughts, ideas … I mean THE BEST
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Brockers will go in the first
Im leaning top 15, him entering was a good idea in such a weak DT class he’s the #2-1 in the class especially after the combine, perfect fit for us at RDE
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yep he will go top 15.
He may not make it to us at all. Their are several teams in the top 15 that could use a playmaker at DT. The Panthers for one come to mind.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of trading back for an exrta 2nd round pick.
If we could do that and still get a guy like Brockers in 1st, I would be pleased.
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My draft scenario has changed a bit.
Trade back to Cincinatti at pick 17 and pickup their 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd next season. Cincinatti selects Trent Richardson. We move back to 17 where we can pick a top 15 prospect possibly sliding down.
1. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
With Carr uncertain and possibly franchised i think the Chiefs draft his replacement if nothing else for leverage in negotiations. Dennard is a strong bump and run, man-coverage corner and he would excel in our system.
2. Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida St.
Sanders to me is the most complete RT in the draft. He is very disciplined with solid strength, athleticism, and great technique. He should start from day one.
3. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
There are three second round grade tight ends and i don’t expect all three to go in the second round. Charles is the most raw of the three but could have the highest upside. A powerful blocker and a very good pass catcher.
3. Kevin Zeitler, OG, Wisconsin
Zeitler comes from a very good program with lots of experience playing against tough competition. He should challenge Lilja for a starting spot and provide quality depth at first.
<strong4. Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
NT’s slide in the draft and Chapman has an early to mid third round grade. The man can stop the run. He demands a double team and often fights it off and will stop the ball carrier. He possesses no pass rush ability though which means he’s a two down player.
5. Vick Ballard, RB, Miss St.
Ballard is one of my favorite running backs in the draft and may rise with a good combine. He is a punishing runner and gained 6 ypc in the sec while teams stacked the box.
6. Austin Davis, QB, Southern Miss
A raw QB with upside that Pioli likes to take late round risks on.
7. Marvin Jones, WR, Cal
A senior WR that will play special teams and possibly push a Copper or Urban off the team.
7. Chris Galippo, SILB, USC
Special teams player at LB and a backup to Belcher with potential to start eventually.
nice work ... not sure I'm totally in love with it (no DeCastro) and it depends on the Carr thing, too
but very good work and explanations, thank you
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He's as good of a CB prospect as i have ever seen when you talk about his press ability.
He is very physical at the line and he will piss off WR’s with it. See what happened with Alshon Jeffery. I see him as a younger Finnegan and i expect he could have much the same ceiling which is top 10 corner in the league.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
4 receptions for 148 yards and a TD
Not really a victory for Dennard.
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by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
You looked up a box score and see those numbers without watching the game?
okay i’ll bite and explain. Jeffery caught a 9 yard pass, a 10 yard pass, a 51 yard hail mary at half time, and a 78 yarder where dennard bumps and expects safety help over the top and there isn’t any there. That Nebraska defense was bad this year and it showed. They only threw the ball at Dennard 6 times that game because they didn’ t have to. I have said he is a bump and run corner that takes risks meaning he will most likely need some safety help until he matures.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
I watched the game.
And Dennard had a great 1st qtr, and then Jeffrey owned him in the 2nd qtr. Jeffrey started beating him off the line pretty regularly.
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by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
And Jeffery is a freak talent wise.
With no safety help over the top there aren’t many college CB’s that could stop him .
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, well, who do you think Dennard is going to be facing in the NFL?
Jeffrey is a great talent…just like a Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd, and plenty of other WRs.
Those premier match ups are where you get to see just how well a player translates to the NFL. Dennard looks to be a solid CB, but not a great one.
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by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
He looks to be great but not elite you mean.
Which i would agree with. Nobody shuts down Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Marshall, Andre Johnson. It takes a full team effort to remove them with bracket coverage from a safety. The only CB that can one vs one those WR’s is Revis and he’s a freak as well. I am fully confident in Dennard’s ability to take away the number 2 WR the same way Carr is asked to do.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
If we're going to pass up on the obvious holes along the o-line...
and take a guy that you want to sit for a season, then he had damn well better be the next Revis. You’ve already stated that you think his ceiling is about the same as Cortland Finnegan…who isn’t all that great.
If Dennard falls to the 2nd (as xhornetsx suggests) then that’s fine, he’s worth the pick there. But as our 1st rd pick, we can do a lot better for this team.
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by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Dennard isnt worth a top 12 pick
I agree, would rather take Kirkpatrick who will be there for sure.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
i traded down to pick 17 with cleveland and kirkpatrick wont be there at 17.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:51 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
After the pot arrest he could be
I almost guarantee it.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
And Finnegan is a top 10 corner
Or at least was one so I do t get that statement
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
i passed on going guard or right tackle in the first, yes.
you dont draft offensive guard or right tackle over talent at a premiere position. pass rushers, qbs, corners, and left tackles are premiere positions. and i didnt say dennard would sit a year. i said he is leverage and insurance for carr. he is also quality depth and a future at a position where you can never have too much depth.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:54 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
You draft players who have the potential to make immediate impacts in the 1st.
And, despite your claims that you didn’t say he would sit, you mention him as depth twice in your post. You also say he is leverage/insurance for Carr. So by your own reasoning, he’s a depth player taken in the 1st rd for future considerations. If that’s what he provides, then he isn’t worthy of a 1st rd pick when we have other holes.
Now, if you are saying Carr isn’t going to be a Chief next year, then your pick makes a little more sense. However, Dre Kirkpatrick would probably be the better option.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
so justin pierre paul was a bad pick as depth?
how about aaron rodgers? teams draft replacements earlier than they have to at premiere positions. if you dont think he is a good prospect then we disagree there but questioning draft strategies often done by the best teams?
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 9:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Are we in the same position as the Packers or Giants were when they made those picks?
Please tell me you think we are just as set as they were. You want to pick out the exceptions and set them as the guideline? Really?
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by citadelchief on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
sorry to but in citadel................
…………………..Cortez Allen, (whom I think we both liked) got some ST play with The Steelers this year. Any surprises coming out of The Citadel this year?
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Probably not.
They had some talent, but a lot of it was young. Tough for us to produce many NFL prospects.
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by citadelchief on Jan 19, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
wow im just so done with you and dubld
continuing to get butthurt and imply a lack of intelligence or football knowledge. we disagree on prospects, congrats move on. i
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 19, 2012 2:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Dennard is only 5'10 (closer to 5'9)
Do we really want another undersized DB?
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by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
If you are asking "do i really want another flowers"
Then yes, absolutely i do. 5’ 10" is average height for a corner maybe 1" short. But this guy is physical and he plays in your face corner at the line of scrimmage. Those 6’ 4" wide receivers i assume you are worried about don’t like getting popped at the line of scrimmage. Just look at what Finnegan did to Andre Johnson. Tall receivers = long striders and if they get bumped it throws off their routes.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
can we get a Rob Gronkowski clone?
and maybe a coupla guys who can shut down Rob Gronkowski to go with it?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Good luck.
Might have to make that guy in a lab. But really it’s the team around Gronk. Between Welker, Hernandez, and Branch you can’t double team 3 of them so one of them are always open.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm headed down right now ...
Might have to make that guy in a lab
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
He's listed at 5'10, but it's closer to 5'9.
And he would be replacing Carr who is our 6’1 DB, not Flowers.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
I know who he would be replacing
But you didn’t say you really want to replace 6’ 1" with 5’ 9" you said do you want another 5’ 9" player. And if he can play like flowers then yes i want him no matter how tall he is. Carr will be here next season. Whether or not he plays here after next season i’m not sure but one year is enough time to train up Dennard to take over.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
So you're banking on him being as good as Flowers?
Because I haven’t seen it. If he doesn’t get his contact on the line, then he gets beat. He had some great games, but he also had some major let downs (Wisconsin).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
take it from someone with husker season tickets
hes not as good as he is cracked up to be…..but then again im so sold on the vontazemanian devil burflict its unhealthy…..that dude is mean i doubt the chiefs get him but itd sure make my offseason
by royalsandchiefs on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions
you have a man crush on burfict who played terribly this season
and you dont like dennard who played well. something seems off
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
no im just sayin
who is more likely to completely destroy an offensive player dennard or vontaze? id say its safe to say the chiefs could go with either and both would bring good results
by royalsandchiefs on Jan 19, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Burfict has a tendency to "overplay" and miss tackles ... on top of amassing lots and lots of penalties
you’d call that good results?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Along with being shoddy in coverage...
It’s funny people call for Burfict yet at this point he is a worse version of Belcher, at least Belcher has gotten better every year at getting into position and stacking..
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
Is there any point in the draft at which you would take a shot on him?
The more I read, the less I like him. He’s got all the talent you could ask for, but the way he seems to have quite on his team this year is a big red flag. He’s probably not worthy of a gamble before the 4th round really.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
3rd round sure ... doubt he drops even that far, though
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
i'm very disappointed in you Ups ; )
…..but Sir, buying an illegal gun is against the law, but since you are giving me such a great price, I guess I have to buy it.
I know Burfict is not really a “firearm” but then again, is he?
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
ha! well, I posted on the FA thread (don't ask how and why it got there, it was a reply to someone)
… to the effect that Burfict has gotten his stuff together over the years off the field, came up from a tough inner city background, worked hard as a Soph in HS to play football because his dream was to play in the NFL, etc etc … so I’m giving him props for heart and character there, ok?
I mean, that’s fair and honest, right? as long as it isn’t an AK-47 and I don’t aim it at Gatsby we’re good, right? ;-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
lmao........
…..OK but you just described half the NFL. I’ll have to respectfully pass on anything Burfict ; )
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
LOL ... yeah, I guess I did
just described half the NFL
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Agreed, the talent is there.. but there will be better players in the first two rounds for us
In the third, we could take a flyer and see what happens
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
The guy who Aldon Jeffery burnt?
No thanks we already have trouble with deep threats in our division.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Alshon
And yes i know Dennard had a good game otherwise, but he seems like another slow Nebraska corner, it’s disconcerting watching the from the bowl and Dennard getting out jumped by Alshon who was behind him.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
The hail Mary
Damn phone
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
there shouldnt have even been a jump ball but
alshon will beat almost anyone in a jump ball. its really sad how little of a pass rush nebraska had this season.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i agree we struggle with the deep ball
but i think in past years it was our pass rush and this season it was missing berry and lewis.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It would be nice if we didnt have to rely on great safeties bailing our corners out
I remember Prince getting his first start and getting straight burnt across the field and getting torched, and i dont want to see that anymore.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 3:00 AM CST up reply actions
My draft prediction
Receiver-tight ends will be off the boards much earlier than they should be. Everyone is seeing the mismatches created by Davis, Hernandez, Finley and Grownkowski, coupled with the extra safety given to receivers. No reason to fear catching in the middle of the field any more, so why not give it to the big guy that, when he catches it, no one can tackle?
Agree. Copy cat league and all that.
Might cause some WRs to fall more than normal.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
That's why I hope the Chiefs go after Lavonte David from Nebraska.
I think this is the next step in defense at the NFL level…athletic/quick (but undersized) LBs who focus on pass coverage more than run stopping.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Sigh really?
We were 6th in the league in pass defense and 26th against the run and you want to go smaller and faster at Lb’er?
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Who burns us in the passing game?
TEs. The league is starting to center around guys like Antonio Gates, Jermichael Finley, Vernon Davis, and Rob Gronkowski. Our CBs can stick with just about any NFL WR out there, but we still get eaten up by TEs (see Buffalo and New England games).
This is identifying and playing to the trend. We already spend a lot of time in Nickel formations…a guy like David would give us another variation where we can get a quality matchup on most of the TEs in the league. He’s big enough that they can’t dominate him, and fast enough to keep up with them.
Nothing wrong with being ahead of the curve.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
my point is that we don't get burned in the passing game.
When we face passing oriented offenses we tend to fair pretty well. But running oriented offenses give us problems. We don’t need more coverage linebackers but i could see a bigger coverage safety like many of us talk about. You can’t cover any of those players with average cover linebackers either because they out muscle them. There are maybe 3 linebackers in the league truly great enough to cover those guys one on one and they would be: Willis, DJ, and Beason.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
We do get burned in the passing game.
Buffalo, Detroit, Miami, and New England. And in 3 of those 4 blowouts, it was the TEs that were dogging us.
Lavonte David gives us versatility. He’s too small to play OLB in the NFL fulltime, but he still has excellent skills. It makes him a weapon on defense. Another variation that the opposing team has to take into consideration when game planning for us.
Don’t pigeon hole players as one generic thing. David could be an excellent role player for this defense. Instead of doubling up on TEs, we can use one guy to stick with them. You mentioned a larger safety…well, that’s what David would essentially be.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 17, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
And when opposing offenses see us in a nickel defense
with Lavonte David and DJ in the middle behind Dorsey and Bailey they will audible to a run up the middle all day. You have to keep the other teams honest. Detroit and Buffalo? You mean the games where our team was out coached and out conditioned? Miami who was winless and thirsty for a win and played their ass off after we had a huge emotional win the week before? And N.E. makes teams look bad… its what they do.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Did you watch what we did against top TEs this year?
Travis Daniels and John McGraw double teaming TEs. Don’t you think teams picked up on that? David provides a better option in that regard because he CAN play against the run.
And don’t make up excuses for blowouts. Maybe if it was just one, but it happened 4 times.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
haha wow going to insults now okay?
and yes i watched the games. i also know that david has no place on a 3 4 defense and that we cant carry 8 situational players on defense so that we can run your special sub packages.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 2:59 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
There was no insult in there...so don't try to play the victim.
Besides, with your constant “sighs”, you really don’t have any high ground there.
Who are these 8 situational players that I have added to the team? If anything, I just replaced 2 (McGraw and Daniels) with 1 (David).
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
daniels isnt situational he is our 3rd corner are you serious?
he looks good when he is on the field for an injury and mcgraw is our backup SS whether you like him or not. david has 0 value in our base formation or our nickel sub package. he might have value in a 3-2-6 dime package as the second lineback next to dj.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 3:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
He's also a Free Agent...along with Jonh McGraw.
So right now, they aren’t anything. And as for liking them, I actually think highly of both of them. McGraw is one of the best Special Teams players in the league, and Daniels has performed very well when he was called on to replace Flowers.
I’m not trying to sell David as a part of our base defense. But he offers a different look in sub-packages. And we know for a fact that Romeo Crennel likes to do that. He likes to confuse the offense. Lavonte David doesn’t fit into any particular defensive scheme. But he’s talented enough to provide variations of current schemes.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Crennel likes to cause confusion? That why we have a very bland predictable defense?
And David has 0 confusion to him. He is a pure pass coverage linebacker and everyone knows that. What confusion can he offer? He can’t rush the passer at the college level let alone the pro level, he can’t run stuff in the nfl he will be swarmed in a 3-4, and he has never played safety before at the college level let alone in the NFL.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Bland predictable defense?
Despite what every expert (and QB) says about his defense, you are going to take the exact opposite stance? Ok, whatever.
And I guess his 5.5 sacks didn’t really count? Or his 12 TFL? And will you please get over this notion that I am trying to stick him in our base defense. I’ve said several times now that he would be in a specialist/substitution role.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Lavonte David is 6' 1" closer to 6' with rumored short reach for his height.
And you want him covering 6’ 6" TE’s? This is worse than the Dennard covering elite WR argument. David has no place on a 3-4 defense. He will be selected by a 4-3 team that needs a will linebacker. Maybe the Saints in the second round.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 17, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
lavonte david
was the huskers whole defense last year….tackle machine but hes not a middle linebacker hes outside and i the chiefs go linebacker id sure hope its in the middle
by royalsandchiefs on Jan 18, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions
I like many of the SS or FS that are projected to go 2nd round thru 4th round.
Several of these guys would offer nice depth at safety, challenge Lewis and extra help for Nickle and Dime.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
You just said you wanted a bigger SS covering TEs.
Exactly how big do you think those guys are?
And David is about 15-20 lbs too small to be going in the 2nd rd to a 4-3 team that early. He is going to be a substitution package/Special Teams player in the NFL.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
i want bigger as in taller.
david is barely over 6’ tall and there are safeties available with just as much athleticism that are 6’ 3’. We dont run a special nickel linebacker package but we do run a 3 safety nickel package and thats wht harrison smith or antonio allen make more sense.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 3:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
David is closer to 6'1, which happens to be about the same height as "taller" safeties.
We don’t run a special nickel linebacker package because we don’t have the personnel for it.
And our 3 safety package doesn’t work that well because they get out-muscled by the larger TEs. David has about a 10 lbs advantage on most safeties, but doesn’t sacrifice much in athleticism for it. That makes him ideal for that type of coverage.
Offenses are thinking outside of the box, so our defense needs to do the same thing. Adapt or die.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
i dont buy the reasoning of us not having the personnel
crennel has never done that formation and pioli has shown that he drafts for his scheme not changing his scheme to match talent.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 3:32 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
It's not changing the scheme.
It’s drafting a specialist to help counter common looks from the opposition. It’s adapting to the growing trend in the NFL. Teams are starting to focus on TEs on offense, so defenses HAVE to adapt to do the same.
The NFL is always changing. Those who can’t change with it, lose.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
The emergence of TE's is a new thing?
Better alert TG, Shannon Sharp, Kellen Winslow, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, and all of the great tight ends of the last decade or two. The game is evolving but the difference you see with Graham and Gronkowski is that they have Brees and Brady throwing to them… two of the best passers in the history of the game.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention a VERY good cast of WR's to keep the defense spread out in coverage
FYI, Ozzie Newsome just called, wants to know why you left him off the list :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
And O-Lines that do not ALWAYS need help from a TE to keep QB's jersey clean.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
The league has NEVER had this many talented TEs all at once.
Gronkowski, Hernandez, Gonzalez, Shiancoe, Davis, Finley, Gresham, Graham, Clark, Daniels, Moeaki, Gates, Miller, Scheffler, etc.
All of these guys have shown big play ability. TEs are becoming much more of an offensive weapon than they have ever been in the past. Blocking has become a secondary function for them.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 19, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
also 6' 1 225 lbs is almost perfect for a 43
if you are talking the will linebacker. who is mostly responsible for pass coverage and is protected by 4 down lineman on running plays
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 3:04 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
No it isn't.
He’s about 15 lbs too small.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
It's called substitution packages and yes we need a faster McGraw type. You know someone
who can tackle and run. If it’s a Ray Rice or Gronk, we need a faster guy in the middle. Our D has struggled with these types for a couple of years.
sigh you can only sub package so much
if we take up 5 roster spots on defense for players that cant backup a normal position then we are really limiting our roster options. a tall safety makes more sense than a 43 linebacker
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 3:03 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Back in my day we ran a 5-3 Monster which had our best atletic talent as Monster.
With all the passing in the nfl now, the SS is not strong as in yesteryear. He is faster and we see the results of tough players running thru the tackles attempted by these guys. What we are trying to do is find that Monster, a guy who runs and tackles well cause McGraw ain’t fast. So if we find a really good player who is bigger and faster than McGraw and tackles well then it’s bye bye Jon McGraw. So what do you care if we have a guy take his place in the rotation or what you designate him as. We ain’t talking about 5 players but replacing one, so get over yourself dude.
Umm we have a monster. His name is Eric Berry.
And a 5-3? You really want to have Rivers and company just pass right over our heads eh? Get over myself? I’m sorry do i sound cocky or full of myself? Am i the one trying to reinvent the defense that Crennel has mastered over years and years of coaching? No, I am explaining the players that fit our system and the players that don’t and David doesn’t fit in a 3-4 especially Crennel’s 3-4 which often sacrifices speed and athleticism for intelligence and physicality.
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 18, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Like I said kid, get over yourself. Replacing McGraw with Berry? I now see
that you have no understanding of what we are discussing. If it makes you happy I’ll freely admit you have much greater knowledge about RAC’s way of doing things than me. But again, McGraw is slow and we have had a weakness since Herm was coach in trying to cover TE types. Will it be David or someone else? We don’t know. But are discussing alternatives. What do you have for this discussion other than EB?
im done trying to have this discussion with you because you cant debate like a civilized person
theres no need for calling me kid or saying i need to get over myself. my opinions on prsopects are widely known around here and i am involved in discussions here and on mtd., if you want to see my mock and insult and complain more you can go to mtd and do that too
by Jonathan Hake on Jan 19, 2012 2:53 PM CST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
NO
If we get David… I REALLY hope he plays safety or backs up DJ. He is a stellar talent, but has NO place playing 3-4 ILB next to another athelete. You gotta have the thumper, the guy that can take on linemen and FBs to plug the whole. That’s what RACs Defense does. Build a wall and make a tackle.
He wouldn't be the SILB...or WILB.
He’d be a substitution package player called on to cover TEs. Sort of a Nickel LB. If he added some muscle to his frame, then he could probably back DJ up in a year or so.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Re-Sign: Brandon Carr, Dwayne Bowe, Kyle Orton, LeRon McClain, Jovan Belcher, Wallace Gilberry, Reshard Langford.
Sign: Carl Nicks, D’Qwell Jackson, Shaun Rogers, Kerry Colbert
Trade: Matt Cassel for 4th rd pick.
Draft:
1st: Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford
2nd: Colby Fleener – TE – Stanford
3rd: Antonio Allen – SS – South Carolina
4th: Lavonte David – LB – Nebraska
4th: Rhett Ellison – TE – Southern Cal.
5th: Brandon Bolden – RB – Ole Miss
6th: Antoine McClain – OG – Clemson
7th: Chris Galippo – LB – Southern Cal.
7th: BJ Coleman – QB – UT Chattanooga
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
I think Coleman will rise a little bit in this offseason
I think someone might take him like 4th or 5th round ala Mike Kafka or John Skelton. Love his throwing mechanics, mimics Peytons. Sounds like a good kid, want to see more tape on him.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Jan 18, 2012 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think this QB class will be strongest in the 4th-5th.
Case Keenum, Brandon Weedon, Russell Wilson, and Kellen Moore are all likely to go in that range, so there’s a good chance that someone like BJ Coleman falls.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
Just saw on mel kipers 1st mock
that he thinks the chiefs will go DT Devon Still with the first pick. Does anyone else see the chiefs going with another DT in the first round???
by tyson_jackson who? on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions
I guess he thinks The Chiefs will be very active in FA then.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
With Jonathan Martin and David DeCastro still on the board?
Wow…either we scored in Free Agency, or Mel Kiper has a lot more faith in Barry Richardson and Ryan Lilja than I do.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 18, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
lol....or Kirkpatrick hooked him up with some cheeb...
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
what citadel said
IOW …. I hope not!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Gotta beef up up front.
1st: DeCastro.
2nd: Dwayne Allen. I pick Allen over Fleener because of his blocking ability is at least ten times better, and he’s still a great receiver.
3: If Hightower or Burfict actually somehow make it this low, we gotta take the chance.
It gets a little fuzzy from there (or just lazy), but Terrance Ganaway would be ok, too.
by NigerianNightmare on Jan 18, 2012 4:39 PM CST reply actions
Mock
1) Trent Richardson RB Alabama- I’m starting to like this pick, and he really could fall to us based on some draft projections. With Charles coming off injury, Having Richardson would be very beneficial.
2) Kevin Zeitler OG Wisconsin- I will admit that DeCastro is a better Guard. But…Zeitler is a very good guard himself. BEing able to get a premier rusher and an interior offensive lineman who made holes for a Montee Ball would be a great add.
3) Levy Adock RT Oklahoma State- We get a potential RT in the third round that adds tothe youth movement along the line
4) Brock Osweiler QB Arizona State- Let me start by saying Osweiler should have stayed in school because he has some stuff to work on. That being said, he has enormous potential and I think if he is sitting at this spot we should take him. I really feel that he can be a stud with a few years of coaching.
5) Cameron Chism CB Maryland- I saw Chism play a little this year and he still has not reached his potential and he is a pretty decent corner right now. I feel like adding him could help us in the long run.
6) Jake Stoneburner- Good blocker with potential to be a passing threat. NEver really had a chance to this year
7) T-Bob Hebert OL LSU- Played along all spots of the line, intelligent and a very hardworker, would love to see him back up Hudson
7) Adrien Cole ILB Lousiana Tech- WAC defensive player of the year, big guy, could come in and compete with Siler and Belcher and play special teams
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
I like it but I have a few thoughts
I love how you address guard and tackle in the first 3 rounds. But i would much rather see that first pick traded if we can and if Richardson falls to us the best thing to do would be trade to a team that really wants him and we could strike gold with picks. Also, in the 4th id rather see us pick Foles, Russel Wilson, Darren Thomas, or brandon weeden but thats just a minor thing. Other than those great mock
Dexter McCluster
I agree that all those QBs have probably better resumes but...
Osweiler has so much more raw talent. The kid could be great with a good qb coach
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
by IamtheGreatest on Jan 19, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
probably have*
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
by IamtheGreatest on Jan 19, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I would rather wait til the 6th.
Maybe even the 7th and pick up kellen moore. I think he has a ton of potential. He might not work out but if he doesnt he was a late rounder. I got a feeling tho this kid is gonna tear it up at the next level. He is small for a qb and didnt play against alot of good teams. Those r the knocks on him but I just got a feeling about him.
i wouldnt mind Moore at all
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
by IamtheGreatest on Jan 19, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
1. Chase Minnifield CB Virginia- He is a corner that can do it all. You can line him up in the slot, you can blitz him,
he can play bump and run and he can play zone coverage. I think drafting a corner like Minnifield will make Chief fan’s forget all about
Brandon Carr.
2. Mike Adams OT Ohio State- I am a huge supporter for replacing Barry Richardson, but I am not a fan of Johnathan Martin (Stanford) or
Riley Rieff (Iowa) for 3 reasons. Both Martin and Reiff are under 305 lbs, both are LT, and neither of them have played RT. Out of all of the
Tackles in this years draft class, I think Mike Adams is the perfect fit for the Chiefs at RT. And besides, I doubt Martin or Reiff
will be there when the Chiefs pick.
3. Coby Fleener TE Stanford- The Chiefs need another TE. Leonard Pope and Anthony Becht should never see the field again. With that that being
said, I went with Fleener because of his play making ability and size. He could be next years version of Gronkowski, and with a healthy Tony
Moeaki, his addition makes the Chiefs offense scary.
4a. Nigel Bradham ILB Florida State- I like Javon Belcher, I think he is a good LB, but I think he could use a little competition to elevate
his play. Nigel Bradham is a smart LB with excellent field vision. He could easily come in and win the back up roll at either
ILB positions, or beatout Belcher for the starting job.
4b. Dan Herron RB Ohio State- I think he could be the everydown back the Chiefs need to be successfull. On top of that he has very soft hands
and he never goes down after the first hit. The only reason I picked him second in this round is because I doubt he will be here when we pick.
5a. Joe Adams WR Arkansas- This guy is a playmaker and a straight up burner. He is also is a dangerous return man as made evident by him winning
the SEC special teams player of the year award. With him on the Chiefs offense, the sky is the limit.
5b. Jerry Franklin ILB Arkansas- See Nigel Bradham ILB Florida State.
(In a perfect world, I would pick Herron in the 4th, and Franklin in the 5th, but I doubt that is going to happen.)
6. Josh Oglesby OT Wisconsin- I would not be surprised if the Chiefs Double dip at OT to creat a strong competition for the starting role. Oglesby
is big, fast, and one of the reasons Montee Ball was so successful running the ball at Wisconsin.
7. Marvin Jones WR California- I think some new blood in the WR corps will not hurt. It is time to see some new and potentially improved
faces at the position.
7. Dajohn Harris DT USC- The Chiefs defense is a few steps away from being an immovable object. If we could land a DT like Harris and add 5-9 lbs
of weight to his 6 foot 4 inch frame, we could groom our starting nose tackle of the future.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 9:28 AM CST reply actions
I would look at Martin before Herron
Nor do I think Minnifield is worth the 11/12th pick, but I do like him as a S/CB prospect.
Harris would be a DE not NT, want them shorter for the natural leverage
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
I take you're basing this on not re-signing Carr (foolish idea that)
you have something against DeCastro? just curious …
Martin is actually projected to be our pick in 1st Round by many mocks, with DeCastro going to Dallas just after us … which would make me very sad, and I’m not a fan of Adams (or Ohio State)
and I agree with BAMF: Martin in first would be a good pick if (and only if) DeCastro is gone
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I love DeCastro
I think he maybe the safest pick in the draft, but I have a feeling Martin, Reiff, or DeCastro are not going to be there when we pick. I know Minnifield is a reach, but I really think he is going to be special. I like Brandon Carr a lot, but I think he is going to be a Lion next year.
Oh, i think you need to look at the numbers Herron put up this year when facing good team. I think he could come in and tear S*^& up!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Reiff won't be, Martin maybe/probably ... DeCastro almost certainly will be
and Carr needs to stay in KC … we do NOT need to be a farm team for the Yankees Lions
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I hope we get DeCastro
In the first and Mike Adams in the second, but I think there will be a shift and when it happens Reiff, Martin, and DeCastro are going to move up on the big board, and I think teams like the Rams, Redskins, Bengals, Browns, and New England will not hesitate to move up in the draft to get them.
I like Brandon Carr, but I think he leaves when he gets offered a huge payday. I do not see the Chiefs doing that. That’s why I say Minnifield. He could fill in and no one would know the difference.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
well, you know what they say ...
Shift Happens!
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by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
but yeah ... I see DeCastro as this year's version of Eric Berry
nobody takes a Safety Guard THAT high in the draft!
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by upamtn on Jan 19, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100%....if you want/need a player, you select him before someone else does...simple!
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
this ^^^
… it’s not rocket science!
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And I will say this
If we get DeCastro, I will poop my pants in joy (I know that is weird, but that’s how I roll). He is the real deal! We could always get a CB in the later rounds.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Mr. Vazquez....I personally will send you a new pair of tightie whities if we indeed select DeCastro ; )
………..so feel free to “let go” when it does happen
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
And I
Will send you a picture of of the event as it happens!
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
as bad as this sounds, I hope i get the picture...lol
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Because it means we got DeCastro
or because you like scat?
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
boy STOP!!!
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no, no Mr. Vazquez......not a scat......The Chiefs already have McCluster
……………..DeCastro is an Offensive Guard…silly ; P
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
touche!
so, does it bother you that if SOPA is passed, one can get more prison time for posting a video of Michael Jackson than the doctor who prescribed all those drugs that actually caused his death?
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What was that phrase that Don King always used......yea that one ; )
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
you mean "thank god for money" or ...
oh, wait! yeah, only here
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I have seen many mocks with....
DeCastro, Reiff and Martin all going in top 10. I would most prefer DeCastro if we don’t trade back or get an OG in FA.
1st: OG DeCastro (Stan)
2nd: OT Sanders (Fl St)
3rd: NT Chapman (AL)
4th: SS Harrison (ND)or SS Allen (SC) or FS/SS Iloka (Boise)
5th: RB Ganaway (BU) or RB Ballard (MsSt) or RB Bolden (MS) or TE Ellison (USC)
6th: TE Bryan (NC St) or DT Wolfe Cin) or DE (Bequette (Ark) or ILB Franklin (Ark) or KR Demps (FL)
7th: OC Vlachos (AL) or SS Catouse (Cal) or ILB Galippo (USC) or WR Childs (Ark)
7th: CB Lynn (PSU) or DT Conrath (Va) or NT Baptiste (BU)
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the bottom link in the OP has a mock with DeCastro going SIXTH! I was floored ...
I’m thinking, if possible:
1) DeCastro (OG)
2) Osemele (OT)
3) Allen (CB)
haven’t thought about anything beyond that, but I like those guys to finish the OLine AND provide needed Secondary depth
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You think Osemele will fit though?
Big boy with slow feet is what I have heard…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
He's been playing LT, even though he projects as a RT/G, but yeah, mainly OG.
He mirrors well, according to Walter:
Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State
Height: 6-5. Weight: 347.
Projected 40 Time: 5.36.
Projected Round (2012): 2.
1/16/12: Osemele put together an excellent season. Iowa State had him at left tackle, and he played well there. Osemele is a very good athlete for his size with the ability to slide and mirror pass rushers. He has long arms, quick feet and carries his weight well. Matching up against Oklahoma’s Frank Alexander, Osmele held him without a sack. He has the power to run defenders over in the ground game. While Osmele could play right tackle in the NFL, his best fit could be inside at guard.
I like this guy, because he’ll put pressure on B-Rich and likely slide to OG, down the road. Maybe take over for Lilja before season’s end in 2012. Either outcome is positive, imo. Enough experience at OT to play some swing. Nice player with some versatility. I also like Zebrie Sanders for similar reasons, although Osemele’s size is something I personally like. I wonder if they’ll want to go bigger, given the struggles over the past 3+ years, or stick with guys closer to 300 than 350. I hope to get to watch Osemele in Shrine Game, today, or during Senior Bowl week. See how quick his feet really are. See how quick he is off the snap, especially.
Just because you run ZBS doesn’t mean a bigger guy isn’t a good fit (imvho). A lot of the deal with ZBS (imvho) is getting something workable out of a player or players who doesn’t or don’t work in a power scheme. And it allows you to pick guys who move better, and aren’t pushing the limits of human genetics and the physics of the human knee design. To me, a lot depends on how the guy moves. Some of those bigger guys, you can see they’re pushing the limits. That was one of the intriguing things about Mt. Cody, last year. The guy moved very well, even bloated. The only thing the bloatage seemed to affect was getting off on the snap, allowing smaller guys to get into his body at an angle, before he got rolling, negating his size, preventing him from playing with leverage.
would of ≠ would've
BAMF, I'm not dead set on really anyone beyond DeCastro ...
just tossing out ideas and names here … I’d love to get the OLine done once and for all … and I do rather like Allen in 3rd round, get a bit more on that defense
if you say Osemele is slow afoot and won’t work, I believe it … besides, we DO have Mims (let the Mims jokes commence anew!)
then too, not sure Sanders is a better fit or player either … I did read some GOOD things about the guy
I also read some VERY good things about Dwayne Allen (TE) and I wouldn’t mind him in the 2nd if he falls that far, but I highly doubt he will, and I know we do need upgrade at RT, so …
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Agree, Ups. The kind of lineup I would've wanted in '09, '10, or '11.
Although they whiffed on Magee, this is SORT of what they tried do w/ the 1st two picks in ‘09, on the defensive side. So while I was accepting of Jax and Magee, on general principles, I never would’ve traded my high 2nd-rounder for a QB, when I didn’t have OL sorted out at ALL. And then the luxury (to some)-slash- insurance (to others) pick on McCluster was yet another high pick that wasn’t spent in the trenches. Following it up with Arenas was like a slap in the face to me on Draft Day. If I were running things, they’d have a pair of high-round OL draft picks already under their belts.
I was hoping 2010 would be a trade-down, followed by something similar to this #1 Decastro #2 Osemele thing of yours. I pretty much hoped for the same thing in 2011 and didn’t get it. Nothing against any of the guys picked, but too little attention to the trenches. Everybody liked the 2010 draft, but I wanted beef in 2 of those first 3 rounds, and every under-6-footer was LITERALLY off my radar! That’s the lens through which I see this whole deal.
Folks who listen to me probably think I would draft OL and DL high every year, but the idea is to do it that way until you have something special up front, and THEN all these dreams about HOF QBs can maybe happen.
would of ≠ would've
we must have come out of the same school, Prof
you, of course, have an advanced degree … but I’m with ya, build from the inside out, get the basics done first because football is still football
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100,,,freakin' % gentlemen!!!!! Protect the QB and get to the QB
………..foundation first! Good OL makes All Pros out of borderline players. Good DL makes CBs and S go to Hawaii. IMmostHO it just as simple as that!
Cheers boys
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If we're taking an OT, I'd rather go with Zebrie Sanders in the 2nd
though I do think we might have to trade up a bit to get him.
From nfldraftscout.com:
Pass Blocking – Footwork and technique are usually very good. Has a balanced and agile pass protection set that handles all motions effectively. Hand placement is excellent. The one concern is handling the super quick edge rusher. Foot speed and quickness are very good, but not elite. Has the power and bend needed to anchor against the bull rush. Sometimes will attempt to punch too soon, lunge, and fail to transfer power properly as a result.
Run Blocking – Has the ability to sink hips and generate real power with strong hands. Consistently moves defenders back. Grades out extremely well in every aspect of run blocking.
Pulling/Trapping – Outstanding blocking ability on the move. Would grade highly as an OG prospect as well. Agility is very good and power is excellent. Puts a lot of defenders on the ground. Stays low and uses excellent technique.
Initial Quickness – Is usually very good in this area. Fires off the snap and gets push on run plays. First step is quick when pulling. Is rarely beaten off the snap by pass rushers. As with all OTs, crowd noise can limit ability to hear QB.
Downfield – Is athletic and can run, plant, seal, sink hips, and deliver powerful blocks where the play dictates. Consistently makes quality second level blocks.
Intangibles – About the highest possible grade here. Smart, durable, healthy, experienced, and high character. The demonstrated ability to switch from ORT to OLT without any problems is perhaps the best tribute to this prospect’s intangibles.
NFL Comparison: Trent Williams – Washington Redskins
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Mike Adams
Is rated higher than Zebrie Sanders on nfldraftscout.com, but honestly, stevie wonder could do a better job blocking than Richardson. i would be very happy to get either one.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We have tape on how Sanders can play RT in a ZBS very similar to our own.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take Sanders over Adams, yeah
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I look at the game film on Zebrie Sanders
And I pray the Chiefs do not draft him. He looks like Barry Richardson 2.0. I swear I am not trolling, I am just giving my opinion, but Zebrie Sanders looks like a zombie when he is playing.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
What tape have you seen
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Intresting, that contradicts everything else I've read about him (can't find any film)
From Pro Football Weekly:
“The Dayton, Ohio prep earned the Anthony Munoz Offensive Lineman of the Year award as a senior. Appeared in all 13 contests and collected 31 knockdowns as a true freshman in 2008, starting the season opener at left tackle and the last 10 games of the season at right tackle. Started 12-of-13 games in ’09 and finished with a grade of 73 percent and led the team with 43 knockdowns. Did not start against South Florida after struggling with his consistency. Made all 14 starts in ’10 — 13 at right tackle and the Virginia game at left tackle in place of the injured Andrew Datko — and recorded 37 knockdown blocks and an average grade of 81 percent. Missed ’11 spring practice because of abdominal surgery.
Evaluation:
Long-limbed, fluid-moving, athletic college right tackle with the agility, hip flexibility and bend more suited for the left side, where he began his FSU career and has ably shown he can handle his own when filling in. Sets quickly, can cut off the wide rush and stymie edge speed. Does not play strong-handed and can do a better job replacing his hands and leveraging defenders in the run game. Has been very efficient in Rick Trickett’s zone-slide protection scheme and has been asked to play at a light weight. However, he has the frame and bone structure to easily stack on 15-20 pounds and become a solid NFL starter."
http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/zebrie-sanders-77/
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=3038
Sanders is the rock of what has been an injury-plagued offensive line. Behind Sanders and company, Florida State boasts the No. 3 scoring offense and No. 2 passing offense through nine games this season.
Sanders is a huge presence at 6’6’’ and 307 pounds. He generally runs in the 5.20 range in the 40-yard dash and has been clocked as fast as 5.12 from that distance. He has a quick feet for a man of his size and that suits him for the left tackle position because he can deal with fast defensive ends. There is room for Sanders to add some bulk to his tall frame and he will have to do that as he heads to the next level. That will help him improve his explosion off the ball and win the battle at the line of scrimmage on running plays
http://nflmocks.com/2011/11/12/zebrie-sanders-scouting-report-ot-fsu/
Pros
His best attribute his is ability to move well in the passing game "range" and to get to the second level in the rung game…He has Good size…big wingspan and huge hands (this is the 40 yard dash for OL)…agile…athletic…moves his feet well…can really get to the second level well…bends well and plays with good leverage…has played both right tackle and left tackle at Florida State and is athletic enough to play LT (has actually looked better at LT this year)…a lot of upside…
Cons
Though he has the body type to fill out he needs to continue to add more strength because he can overwhelmed at the snap by powerful defensive linemen…raw from a technical standpoint…doesn’t have elite awareness…not extremely disciplined too many false starts and holding penalties have been called on him
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Wow great assessment Ups
I love the pick but I mean the last thing we need is more false starts and holdings. Could you do one of these on Adams?
Dexter McCluster
oh wow
http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/mock-draft/2012
their mock has DeCastro going to the Redskins at #6!
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http://nflmocks.com/2011/11/05/2012-scouting-report-mike-adams-ot-ohio-state/
Adams missed some games because he was apart of the Ohio State scandal, but is a fringe first round offensive tackle
Pros:
3 Year Starter
Has played both RT and LT
Huge Mountain of a man
Brings some nastiness to the line
Very durable player
Has played top competition
Dominate Run Blocker
Long arms capable of keeping defenders from body
Moves to the second level well
Athletic
Very long
Cons:
Is he too slow to play LT in the NFL?
Has had off the field problems
His height leaves him prone to playing high often
Player Comparison: Anthony Davis
Round Projection: Mid 1st to mid 2nd Round
Summary:
Mike Adams is a load on the OL. While he plays LT at Ohio State he is a RT only in the NFL. I love his disposition in the run game but if I was an NFL GM I would be worried about three things with this kid. One he can only play one position which hurts. Two his height can be a problem with his stance. Three he is an off the field head ache. All of these things will move him lower than his talent suggests. Mid to late 2nd round a team like the Dolphins, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Vikings, Lions and Saints will think about drafting him. He could go even higher if he interviews well and answers some of the questions that will be out there about him (he was suspended as part of the Ohio State scandal).
Adams has played really well since coming back from the suspension, probably the best play of his career, which is why I’ve (Jesse) adjusted his round value from mid 1 to mid round two, he’s showed more range and has just been a good player.
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Wow! I love these.
I actually think he looks good. Also, I don’t like how he is not suited for both tackle positions but I do like how he fits well in a t RT where he would most likely go. Justin Houston had off field issues but I can’t compare them. I don’t know if Pioli thinks he can keep his off field issues to himself and can serve as a solid RT then I would be really excited about this pick. Thanks Ups!
Dexter McCluster
http://walterfootball.com/draft2012OT.php
6th Ranked OT
Height: 6-8. Weight: 320.
Projected 40 Time: 5.12.
Projected Round (2012): 2.
12/14/11: Adams has played reasonably well after returning from his suspension. Ohio State’s offense became much better when they got him back. He continued to have some issues with speed rushers. Illinois speed rushing end Whitney Mercilus torched Adams for 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. That weakness could prompt his moving to right tackle in the NFL. He is a strong run blocker who should be an asset in the ground game.
8/20/11: Mike Adams broke into the lineup as a sophomore and became a first-team Big Ten standout as a junior. He is a powerful run blocker who could be a better fit as a right tackle at the pro level. Smaller speed rushers can give Adams some problems in pass protection, but they are easy wins for him in run blocking. Therefore, right tackle may be his best spot in the NFL as he won’t have to go up against as many speed rushers to match up with there. Adams will be suspended the first five games of the season, and previously was suspended the first two games of the 2010 season. The off-the-field issues could make it hard for him to go in the first round.
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Gosh Joel is a suck up
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 19, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
good catch, BAMF!
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I still stick to my guns though
I think Chase Minnifield will be the best player taken in the draft this year.
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 11:38 AM CST reply actions
Real question
Would you trade a fortune to get Andrew Luck?
by Joel Thomas Vazquez on Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM CST reply actions
NO!
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Like a kid in a candy store.
Re-Sign: Brandon Carr, Dwayne Bowe, Kyle Orton, LeRon McClain, Jovan Belcher, Gordon, Reshard Langford.
Sign: Carl Nicks or Grubbs, Shaun Rogers,
Trade: Matt Cassel for 4th rd pick. Trade Dorsey for 3rd round pick.
Draft: Trade back for extra 2nd round pick.
1st: Brockers – DE (LSU)
2nd: Chase Minnifield – CB (VA) or Markel Martin – FS (OSU)
2nd: Zebrie Sanders – OT (Fl St)
3rd: Robert Lester – FS (Alabama)
3rd: Josh Chapman – NT (ALabama)
4th: Levi Adcock – OT (OSU)
4th: Pierce RB Temp) or Martin RB (Boise) or Ganaway RB (BU) or Ballard RB (MsSt)
5th: Rhett Ellison – TE ( Southern Cal)
6th: Jeff Demps – WR/RB/KR (FL)
7th: Gregg Childs – WR (Arkansas)
7th: BJ Coleman – QB – UT Chattanooga
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It would be beautiful if all that fell in place
I don’t see it happening, but I like it a lot (other than Adcock)…I’d also lean toward Still over Brockers, if he’s available.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Not sure about Still.
He seems that he could be a lot better by now. Has all the tools. Maybe he has plateaued or maybe his best is yet to come? Don’t like that question with 1st round. His family name fits in KC though.
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He got injured and that stunted development
I don’t think coaching was the greatest either.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 19, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
hey, kid ...
your mom just called, said you need to pick up a gallon of milk on the way home
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Sorry Mom.
I spent all the milk money on candy bars.
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You wait for Mr. Irrelevant
to draft a QB? Well, I guess that is OK IF we resign Orton….
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We won't have the last pick in the draft to get Mr. Irrelevant
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ryan Succop does our drafts? wow ... who knew!
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Sanders in the 2nd would be solid.
Discounting trade scenarios, scoring DeCastro in the 1st and Sanders in the second would be a coup. I am tired of us being Richard Seymour’s little bitches….Of course, Nicks in FA could have some interesting conversations with the Raiders d-line next year as well.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
I think I would be OK with...
Trading down to an early 20’s pick (getting an extra 2nd in the process), selecting Poe there, then picking up Hightower or Burfict (whomever falls) with our first 2nd rounder pick and maybe Zeitler with the other 2nd rounder pick. My feeling is that our defense is really starting to come around and I would rather have a great, dominating defense and a mediocre offense than be slightly above average on both sides of the ball. We aren’t 1 or 2 picks away from a world beater offense, but we might be 1 or 2 picks away from that on defense. A stud NT like Poe and a dominating ILB like Hightower or Burfict could possibly elevate us into the top 5 of defenses next year (assuming that our end-of-season progress continues). And we’ve all seen how far a top defense can take you (SF).
by Brett Chamberlain on Jan 19, 2012 11:39 PM CST reply actions
My Mock- rip it up
Trade Cassel, this years 2nd, 4th, and 2013 3rd for the browns 22nd overall pick. Then trade down again to 27 with New England(From Saints). and pick up a 3rd for this year.
Trade Dorsey to the Colts for a 4th round pick.
Trade the 12th overall pick to the Titans(20th Overall) and pick up a 2nd rounder
Tag and Trade Carr to the the Pats for the 30th overall(?)
Round 1:
20. Dre Kirkpatrick(or Chase Minnifield if Kirk is unavailable) CB- Tough, physical corner from Saban’s pro-style Defense. Replaces Carr
27. Dwayne Allen TE- gives us a Hernandez-gronk type combo at TE
30. Dontario Poe NT- the tough physical presence we’ll need inside. Powe+Poe=Winning
Round 3:
LaMicheal James RB – A back to give relief to Charles, we don’t need a power back, as they don’t work well with the scheme, but 2 similar relief backs(James and McCluster). Battle will be kept as a situational powerback if McClain isn’t re-signed. If McClain does not sign then I think Bannon and McClain will share FB Duties with Bannon playing some H-Back and McClain Power Back
Round 4: Trade for a 5th, and a 2013 6th
Round 5:
Ryan Broyles WR- could be a very dominant slot reciever, looked as 1st round talent before this year
Markus Zusevics OT- A tackle who could sit a year, and take on the starting job.
Round 6: Kellen Moore QB- in my mind, the next Drew Brees. can make the throws, and goes through his reads exceptionally well, unlike Cassel
Round 7:
Eddie Pleasent – SS from oregon
Also let me know who you’d take with those picks
I don't know if those trades make a lot of sense from the other teams' points of view.
They’re great for us…but why would those other teams do that?
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by citadelchief on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions
Yes and no
i like broyles and Kellen Moore as late round picks. If Broyles lasts that long, he’s a steal. Not a fan of LaMicheal James being another McCluster, although I will say that James is better then McCluster. I also think we have other needs to address of offense, earlier, instead of getting rid of a CB to draft a CB and a mediocre NT.
getusome sucka!
no real help for OLine ...
with Cassel gone we start Stanzi, ok then … defense gets Poe but is less effective overall w/o Dorsey if Bailey doesn’t or can’t step up and stop the run, and secondary suffers thru growing pains of a new CB
and a lot of it is dependent on trades which is never a good idea to count on
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Even more of a reason to pick DeCastro
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"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
uh huh ... no mistake, and remember Crennel's comment about Wiegs right after the Denver game?
Wiegs is gonna quietly send out a little note that says he’s retiring (probably to an island in the Caribbean with Dani) and that will be that
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Wait...what? He's taking Dani with him?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is almost as bad as when Brodie took Kelli with him!
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by citadelchief on Jan 20, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
That's undervaluing Dorsey considerably, IMO
I know it’s the top of the 4th round, but if Tank Tyler was traded for a 5th rounder midway through a season, surely Dorsey is worth a 3rd at a minimum. I do know that Dimitrof in Atlanta had a man crush on Dorsey leading up to the ’08 draft, maybe we could squeeze their 2nd away?
I wonder if there’s any way we could trade for Calais Campbell from AZ…I know they’re expected to re-sign or franchise him, but man he’d make our front 7 a force.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Take the best available...
They will make a difference in everyone around them, as well. With the available players left for us in walterfootball.com’s draft I would take:
1. RB Trent Richardson (Alabama)—BPA. Best 1-2 punch in the league. Insurance for JC injury. (Other options: DE Devon Still, OG David DeCastro, CB Dre Kirkpatrick)
2. CB Janoris Jenkins (North Alabama)—BPA, by a long shot. Prior Florida Gator that transferred.
3. OT Andrew Datko (Florida State)—One of the BPAs, and feels a need at RT. (Other options: FS Aaron Henry, WR Brian Quick)
4. FS Aaron Henry (Wisconsin)—BPA, by a long shot. More quality depth in the secondary…yes, please.
To be honest, I don’t love how this mock draft fell out, but these were the best picks that were left to us (as far as talent and need). Whether we need another CB and FS is debatable, but I’d love to draft Richardson and Datko.
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I did some research on Datko, although he could be a stud.....his health is a HUGE concern.
……………….He seems like a great kid and I hope he heals up and has a chance to play in the NFL. It doesn’t look to good though, unless someone has seen something different???
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630270/andrew-datko
Analysis
Positives – Quick and nimble, light on his feet. Very athletic blocker on the move. Good slide and hand placement effectively shut down most speed rushers. Smart prospect who has great experience and works extremely hard.
Negatives – Is high cut and doesn’t bend knees well. Set in pass protection is high, and that affects power and ability to anchor, and causes waist bending. Hands do not have great power. Serious shoulder injury that required multiple surgeries is possibly a major red flag. Did not play well in 2011 because of shoulder – was courageously playing with one arm.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
had a wild idea last night ...
wait til NEXT year to get OT … stud with Alabama (have to look up his name) supposed to be THE best OLineman on the board in 2013
get DeCastro this year and that guy next year
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I'm always on board for OL! Is he the RT for Bama? he looked a little heavy to me.
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
yeahm big boy ... gonna be major beast next year, top 10 pic with Kalil and Martin coming out this year
D.J. Fluker**, OT, Alabama
Height: 6-6. Weight: 335.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2013): Top 10 Pick.
9/1/11: D.J. Fluker is a big-time tackle prospect that was a dominant force in the SEC last year. He’s athletic as a pass protector and a bulldozer as a run blocker. He may hold off on declaring for the draft even though he will be eligible. This is only his sophomore season, and if he returns he could be the top tackle in the 2013 draft class. Most of the time Nick Saban works his players hard for them to stay in school. Fluker will go highly whenever he leaves, but right now it seems more likely that he would play the 2012 season at Alabama.
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just "baby fat". he'll grow into his skin...lol he is a biggin'
……………………but let’s hope The Chiefs are selecting too far down to have a chance at him ; )
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
yesh, or maybe a trade? ha! I hate counting on trades ... draft itself is iffy enough already
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
saw a mock that has DeCastro going to the Redskins with pick #6
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very well could happen, be prepared
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Rather have Jones than Fluker
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
But if we draft DeCastro this year
we wont draft high enough to get the ’Bama OT next year!
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Next years OT class is looking pretty good
Even with DeCastro.. we still have Cassel.. we could be picking very high haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
But....
won’t we get the LAST pick of the 1st round, after we win the Superbowl next year?
;-D
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 21, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
This isn't a "mock draft"
but I think at least someone may find it interesting to see where our best players were picked at versus our current 11th or 12th overall pick (keeping in mind that our “needs” are clearly more along the likes of QB, o-line, NT, ILB and depth pretty much anywhere and everywhere).
RB: Charles- 73rd overall
WR: Bowe- 23rd overall, Baldwin- 26th overall
OT: Albert- 15th overall
OLB: Hali- 20th overall
CB: Flowers- 35th overall
*And yes, I’m aware that I left off Derrick Johnson and that is because the two ILB positions really aren’t much alike so I wouldn’t imagine a player like him being upset at getting a better player next to him.
My point being that I can’t imagine Pioli drafting a player at one of those positions at 11 or 12 who won’t be better than who we currently have. That would severely piss off the current list of players. As much as I want a new RT, you can’t have a RT who is a higher pick than what your LT (a clearly much more “important” position) is. Even with Charles’ injury, you can’t draft a complementary player THAT high. Even if we lose Brandon Carr, you can’t draft another corner at that spot who won’t be better than what Flowers is.
Now this leads me to believe that (unless some miracle happens where Kalil, Blackmon or RGIII fall) we will target either an ILB (like Vontaze Burfict from Arizona State or Donta’ Hightower from ‘Bama) or try like hell to trade down since there aren’t many NT prospects worth that spot. Trading down would be a more ideal spot to draft anywhere on the o-line or take the BPA approach. And if anyone remembers how pissed I was in previous years about the draft talk for Aaron Curry and Rolando McClain, I’m the guy who argued daily that 4-3 OLBs and 3-4 ILBs aren’t worth picks that high…but based on the current situation of the team, that makes the most sense if we stay in that spot IMO.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
So wait.. Pioli wont draft a player because a past regime drafted a player at a certain spot?
You gotta take the best player available at a position of need. If it’s a safety, a guard, a OT.. it doesn’t matter.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
Peterson may have drafted them
but Pioli extended their contracts. I agree 100% with BPA but I think it could and would piss off too many people. For example, Flowers busted his butt from a 2nd round pick to a borderline pro-bowl corner so I’d imagine it would fee like a kick in the nuts to know that a guy was drafted 11th or 12th overall to be his sidekick.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
Why would he get pissy over that?
Makes no sense for a player to get pissy over talent being brought in that does NOT challenge their spot. If I was Flowers and we lose Carr, I would beg for another CB as it gives him more chances on the ball, along with helping the defense get off the field.
If it was a player like Albert, who was a subpar player and we had a RT already.. drafted an OT yeah maybe I could see him getting upset, however it makes his job easier as well.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
What?
My point being that I can’t imagine Pioli drafting a player at one of those positions at 11 or 12 who won’t be better than who we currently have.
Because you know, draft position is the be all end all of how good a player will be in this league. You can just assume that a first round pick at running back will be better than Jamaal Charles.
Come on man the draft is a crap shoot. Basically you’re are making an educated guess on how a prospect will translate to the next level. Every year there are a ton of guys who both out perform and underperform their draft position. It’s not some linear relationship like you’re implying where each player is taken one after the other based on how good of a pro they will turn out to be. You don’t think that if teams could go back and have a shot to draft Charles higher that the third, knowing what they know now, that he would really drop that far again, do you?
Heck no
Of course a lot of players would be selected at different spots if teams could have a do-over. The Rams certainly wouldn’t take Jason Smith 2nd overall again and the Chiefs probably wouldn’t take Tyson Jackson 3rd when B.J. Raji, Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews Jr would be there. That’s not the point I’m trying to make.
We, as in Chiefs fans, apparently have a very short memory because not a single person was happy with drafting Larry Johnson in the 1st round to be the 3rd string running back behind Priest and Derrick Blaylock several years back. This would be a similar situation. Granted, yes, we do need a backup RB, maybe another CB if we lose Carr and RT isn’t even a question, but it sends a horrible message as an organization when a player drafted in the 1st round has no chance of being the number one guy at his position- in 2012 or in the near future.
I’m not trying to imply that the Chiefs wouldn’t take a RB in the late 2nd or early 3rd just because Charles was a middle 3rd guy, but taking a RB in the 1st round when you already have a Pro-Bowl RB who is just 25 years old would send a terrible signal to the rest of the team. Now if Charles and Flowers were 30, it would be a different situation and much more understandable.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
With the exception of Albert and Bowe all of these players are on their second contracts...
Flowers, Hali, and Charles have all gotten new fairly large deals. They are proven players who the organization has recognized for their elite contributions. I think they realize that they are among the best at their positions and are paid as such. I also think they realize that they are not the entire team. For the most part (with the exception of Charles) they play positions where their are always two players on the field at the same time. Did Bowe get ass-hurt when we took another first round wide receiver to play across from him, not to my knowledge, that takes pressure off of him and he only sees a double team versus a triple team. I’m sorry but these players are professionals, the Chiefs job as an organization is to collect as much elite talent as possible. I’m sorry but you don’t pass on an elite prospect out of fear of hurting another players feelings. I want this team as loaded with talent as possible, take tackle whats wrong with having an elite talent at both spots? Does Albert get slightly offended at having to work harder to keep his spot, maybe, but hopefully that encourages him to put in a little extra effort and makes both players better for it. I’m sorry but if a player really has such a sense of entitlement that they quit on the team, and refuse to try to elevate their play, because a top talent is brought into play across from them and potentially compete for their spot down the road is that really the type of player we want on this team?
no wonder Baldwin was so upset when he got to camp ...
it sends a horrible message as an organization when a player drafted in the 1st round has no chance of being the number one guy at his position- in 2012 or in the near future
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Seriously, Remember that at the end of the day this is a business.
What’s best for the Chiefs is to bring in the best talent possible, not worry about hurting a players feelings.
I have been up since 11 last night at work, and not a huge draft guy, but Im trying to participate so here goes
I have recently turned into a giant “we need to start a qb we draft” bandwagoner. Also, while i think Peyton Manning could do great things here, I don’t think picking him up would fit into the “dynasty” at Pioli wants. As most of the recently successful teams are playing with QBs drafted in the first round, I think Pioli shocks the draft world again by trading up to get one. Many people have issues with whether or not RGIII would fit into our system, but is it possible to get Luck?
We give up: Tag and trade Bowe, McCluster, 1st rounder, and maybe another pick next year
We get: Colts #1 pick, and maybe a 5/6 rounder
Reasoning: Manning can make any reciever seem good, but has been lacking a great reciever to take the place of Reggie Wayne. Bowe would become elite with Manning throwing to him, and we still have Baldwin, Breaston, and Moeaki. The colts currently have no RB worth mentioning, and could use the scat back that McCluster is. As long as we have Charles as our quick RB and Arenas returning, McCluster is somewhat useless to us. Overall I do understand that this is overpaying for only a chance at the guy. But to convice the colts to give him up, we have to.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 AM CST reply actions
I don't see the Colts trading the #1 they have said they will take a QB this year, and that will be Luck
Comes down to if Pioli thinks RGIII can be a franchise QB, if so he should go get him and we can find an OC to put the system around him.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
The thing with that is that I don't like the idea of making a unique system around a single position player
The greatest example being the current Broncos. Yes, Tim Tebow is winning for them, and they seem to have worked something out that is gettting them wins. But if Tebow goes down for the year, they are SOL because there is no other QB like him.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Don't see anybody out there "Quinning".
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by citadelchief on Jan 20, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Except I wasn't meaning a system only for RGIII
I mean a system where we run more downfield routes, roll outs, etc
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 20, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Ok I haven't had time to really dig in yet to this draft.....
but I will starting this weekend. I will try to make it simple right now with a list of players that would be on my board as of right now.
Round 1. Riley Reiff OT is my first choice if he is available. David Decastro G is my
second choice if Reiff is gone. If both players are gone I will be taking a huge
risk and picking up Vontaze Burfict SILB. We need a bit of attitude on our
on our defense and he fits the bill for it perfectly.
Round 2. If we miss out on Reiff OT then I go Adams OT here at this spot. If we picked up
Reiff then I go Alameda Ta’amu NT. If we missed out on Reiff and Adams I still
go with Alameda Ta’amu NT or Josh Chapman NT here with this second pick.
If both NT’s are gone we grab Colby Fleener TE.
Round 3. If we have somehow missed out on a OT in both rounds this is where we pick
up Bobbie Massy OT. If Massy isn’t available then our next option is
Don Barclay OT. If we have picked up our OT already in this draft our 3rd pick
might go Donnie Fletcher CB, David Paulson TE or Evan Rodriguez TE. If we
didn’t get our NT in the second and was able to grab a TE then Mister Cobble
NT would be a nice pick up.
Round 4. If we haven’t addressed a TE by now Nick Provo should still be on the board.
Winsten Guy Jr. S might also be around which I think would be a nice pick up.
Case Keenum QB, Brandon Weeden QB, or Benard Pierce RB are also
options.
Round 5. George Iloka, S would be wonderful value for our pick here if we choose to
pass on Winsten Guy Jr. or he was not available. Tashaun Gipson CB,
Marc Tyler RB, or Carmen Messina ILB would also be nice prospects in the 5th.
Round 6. Dan Hoch would be a versatile OT that has the ability to move inside or
develop into a swing tackle. He could be picked up in this round to add some
some competition and depth. Mike Remmers OT would also fit this role as a
versatile player for the O-Line.
Round 7. Bert Reed WR or Damario Belcher WR could be options. In this round who
knows who is left and what we address SP players and projects so a WR could
fit this bill.
Hope you enjoyed!
good work, I disagree with a lot of it (esp top rounds, I don't get into bottom round stuff myself)
that said, nice effort on it, 78 … it’s work doing all the work
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My reasoning is that as much as Lija played horrible
Last year he was pretty good the year before. If given the option of playing with Lija at guard and replacing Richardson I would take that over playing with our new shiny guard and not replacing Richardson. It’s a toss up I know.
by 78Chief on Jan 20, 2012 4:18 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I understand your reasoning and logic
but why not replace both?
1) David DeCastro OG
2) Kelechi Osemele RT
3) Cousins (QB) – Allen (S) – Fleener (TE) – Prater (CB) … pick one :-)
OLine done for awhile, end of story, end of Red Zone issues, etc etc ad nauseum
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No Prater
Seen enough of this kid as a hawk fan, trust me you don’t want to waste a pick on him.
I'll gladly take your word on it, Everest ... ty :-)
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Well, you know my argument. Just don't like the thought of 2 rookies on the o-line.
But, I wouldn’t have a problem with any of your 3rd rd picks.
Cousins – Maybe not an NFL starter, but he’s definitely got the qualities you want in a backup.
Allen – Possibly the best depth you could hope for at SS in this draft.
Fleener – I think he’d be an instant starter.
Prater – Needs some work, but could probably take over for Travis Daniels.
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by citadelchief on Jan 21, 2012 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Two rookies on the o-line
I agree two first-year lineman can be an issue but from what we are hearing about DeCastro’s ability that should minimize our reservations about that possibility. Plus, we do need to look at the longer picture.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
this ^^^
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Basically, see what you can accomplish on OL in FA, and go rich in the draft at the other spot.
Maybe you land a very good OG/OC in FA. Then OT in the 1st 3 rounds looks like a solid approach. But if Mims or Gaither or Bell look off-the-charts in a tryout, and there’s a meeting of the minds (Mims is already in hand, but so far low floor), then reaching for Decastro or Konz in the 1st also gives you veteran upgrade plus instant rookie starter. 2 new faces, but only 1 of them being a rookie.
would of ≠ would've
Until he actually IS a talented NFL o-lineman....
you should not minimize your reservations.
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by citadelchief on Jan 21, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
supposedly Top Ten talent ... talent, athleticism, intelligence, work ethic, etc ... the guy seems to have it all and then some
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He does seem to have it all...but again, you used the word "seem".
So, I won’t minimize any reservations, because it’s still not a “known”.
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by citadelchief on Jan 21, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
yah, I've just about sold myself on Allen in the 3rd
but I still like my first two picks
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No to Osemele
He’s strictly a “lock on and drive” power system guy rather than a finesse, athletic, zone system guy. That’s the reason many people think he’ll have to move inside to guard in the NFL.
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
really? I didn't know that ... ty!
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Reading his reports, I was more optimistic about Osemele, 'til I saw him in drills.
I still haven’t done my due Senior Bowl diligence, but Osemele looked like he wasn’t going to work @ OT. And in some of those drills, the talking heads (Mayock and company) were saying how so-and-so looked good, but you could see the guy winning the drill by reaching and holding.
But, especially those South OLinemen, there are quite a few interior linemen that play big and fast, even though they’ll never make on-an-island OTs.
would of ≠ would've
although ... does RT need to be "finesse" that much?
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He at least needs to have good feet to mirror pass rushers
And Osemele is heavy footed and inside moves give him trouble because he stops his feet.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Heavy footed?
Eric Berry has some shoes that should help him out.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
he couldn't be worse than Mims ;-)
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Agree, ChiefWarPaint.
Others disagree, but what little I watched, I though Zebrie Sanders was a good mix of big and quick. Not the biggest, or the quickest, but bigger than anybody quicker and quicker than anybody bigger.
would of ≠ would've
OK Upamtn the Mock of all mocks!!!
This is with no trades.
1- David DeCastro OG
2- Ben Jones OC
3- Bernard Pierce RB
4- Brandon Mosley OT
5- Hebron Fangupo DT/DE
6- Jake Stoneburner TE
7- Asa Jackson CB
7- Damien Jackson FS
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Where does that put Hudson?
A wasted 2nd round pick last year?
Overall I like it.. just might be better option in the 2nd like a Hightower at SILB or Minnifield for FS/CB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
No Jones in the second.
Agree we do not need a center in the second. The rest looks pretty solid. If we got DeCAstro in the first and Hightower/Minnifield in the second I will be dirty dancing in front of the tv. Note to self: buy black spandex pants by April…..
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
Take pictures:P
I have other alternate guys I was just being lazy:P Read my comment above to Bamf.
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It gives us a pretty damn good o-line and Hudson could be quality depth at either G/C, and as far as that goes B.Jones could be that quality depth if Hudson starts.
My alternate for that pick is C.Fleener and my alternate for the 6th round pick is C.Galippo SILB.
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I just don't see us far enough along to take a depth pick in the 2nd
Sanders/Adams could possibly be there for RT, Hightower/Minnifield, Fleener as you mentioned all seem to be better options
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
I know man:(
I just keep trying to find ways to get B.Jones on the team, because I think he could play either G/C and we need a G for sure and depth at C, it solve both problems.
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And teams that do just enough find themselves spread PRET-TY THIN when one guy goes down.
Folks are so used to “barely,” that they’re quick to see the slightest hint of overkill. But when was the last time anybody accused a team of overkill in the trenches? scratches head
would of ≠ would've
I'd have to go with Fleener
He would give us that double TE threat and could take T.Moeaki starting role, either way it’s a win, win situation. Check out Asa Jackson CB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfiNU02HFWE
Go full screen and watch this kid, he’s my late round gem.
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Yeah he has gotten some hype recently, Trumaine Johnson was a guy I thought was going to be a late round sleeper
He has really risen up almost every board.
new late round sleeper.. ISHMAA’ILY KITCHEN… Gotta have a guy named Kitchen on the team!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I thought Stoneburner was pretty good.
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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Kitchen is a massive NT project haha
Never seen him play, just gotta love that last name.. no idea how to say the first name
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Hebron Fangupo is another good one.
He’s in my mock and can play either DT or DE IN A 3-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D73ctp36oGg
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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 21, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Mhmm I have been talking him up for a little while, is that the clip where he
Covers Polk(I believe) out of the backfield from his NT position?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Nah thats Star Lotuleilei(sp?)
Utah guy i think he quietly moves up to top 10 next year, not often you find DT/NT prospects that can drop back and cover running backs.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 22, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah T.Johnson has moved up the boards
He’s listed as a 2nd or 3rd round guy.
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by CPT.Caveman on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
Used to be listed as a late round flyer when I first heard of him haha
He has some potential though
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
gotta echo what others have said about Jones in 2nd ... we have Hudson, I'd rather go Osemele (OT) on that one
and I’d have no qualms whatsoever about two rookies on the OLine … I’d also take Antonio Allen in the 3rd before a RB, get us some depth in the Secondary
that said Cavey, I applaud the hard work :-)
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Fleener is sound as a 2nd.
Let's keep matriculating the ball down the field, boys.
Mock
Trade down to Cincinnati. So they can pick up Trent Richardson. Pick up an extra second
1) Peter Konz C Wisconsin- Dominant Center, Hudson moves to guard interior line looks great
2) Mike Adams OT Ohio State- Perfect fit at RT, will be the final piece of a young potentially dominant line
2) Markelle Martin S Oklahoma State- Very athletic Saftey that provides much needed depth and insurance for Eric Berry
3) Coby Fleener TE Stanford- Good receiver, and adds to our passing attack paired up with a healthy Moeaki
4) Tank Carder ILB TCU- Good range and good instincts, could be what we are looking for as an ILB
5) Vick Ballard RB Miss St- Hardworking tough runner
6) Kellen Moore QB Boise State- Good career at Boise, worth taking a shot at.
7) Miles Burris OLB San Diego State- Pass rusher with good stats, I think you can never have enough pass rushers
7) Ethan Johnson DE Notre Dame-
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
I thought he was being optimistic about who'd be there.
I pretty much agree with that draft. Makes sense to a dummy like me.
would of ≠ would've
Konz could be a reach
I dont see any more reaches. I actually agree with hmills, If that draft happened it would be fantastic
Float like a butterfly, and sting like a bee!
by IamtheGreatest on Jan 21, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Except for Moore I like that draft.
I agree that we may miss out on Adams in the 2nd. I think after the Sr Bowl and the combine he will be a 1st rounder.
From the limited time I saw of the East West Shrine Game
Ryan Miller looked pretty good in space playing from a RT spot, could be a late round guy to look at for OT
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Mock
Re-sign: Bowe, Carr, McClain
Sign: Nicks/Grubbs, Bush/Grant
1.12: Trade down for Cleveland’s 22 and 37
1.22: Dontari Poe – DT Memphis
Big, strong guy plugging the middle whose stock I believe will rise (pick 25-32) following the combine.
2.37: Minnifield – CB Virginia / Whitney Mercelius – OLB Penn State
If we don’t lock up Carr Minnifield would be a solid replacement at this pick. If we do lock Carr I would like Mercelius. Before you say it, I know it might be a bit of a stretch getting him in the 2nd, but if he is there and we re-sign Carr, this is the guy.
2.43: Zebrie Sanders – RT FSU
Great RT in ZBS for FSU until Datko was hurt. Definitely fits our needs and certainly an improvement over BRich.
3.76: Trumaine Johnson – CB Montana
Tall, athletic, and solid tackler who is good against the run. Could be a quite the gem although his stock is rising fast. I am no defensive guru, but his size means he can possibly be utilized as a safety.
4.106: Chandler Harnish – QB Northern Iowa (nod to Saints_Chiefs)
QB who can throw and also has wheels to run if needed. What impresses me most is his leadership skills. Teammates are better around him and a guy Pioli would love. I had heard of him during bowl time, but Saints_Chiefs forced me to look more into him.
5.139: Brandon Taylor– SS LSU
SEC player, which Pioli would love, overshadowed by Claiborne and Honey Badger in the secondary. Has some health concerns (broken foot 2010) but great field leader.
6.170: Dennis Derek – OG Temple
Big, strong guard who would be a project, but he could turn into a solid backup guard.
7.202: Brian Quick – WR Appalachian State
Tall WR, with solid stats at App. State. Basketball standout in high school, so he has a late start in football, but looks like he could be something. (My official sleeper pick) After more research, it appears as though his stock is rising. If available would take him at 6.170.
7.204: Chris Galippo – ILB USC
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 21, 2012 8:04 PM CST reply actions
Denver here as well ... Aurora to be precise
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I know
we “ran” into each other on Tower Road. :)
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 21, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
oh, that was YOU?
how things going?
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Things are good
Did you land a teaching position?
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 22, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
nah ... been substituting some, but ...
not looking good right at the moment and really, really really need something “steady” and fulltime
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
If you don't mind me asking...
What is your area of emphasis?
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 22, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
middle school science for years and years
also have cert in middle and high school soc stud … never done it, but have had that for years … professional license in 4 states and still …
frustrating, such is life in The New Economy
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Damn
I am a teacher at a charter school in Bennett. It looks like we will have an opening for Elementary this upcoming year. Any chance you are close to elementary license?… on top of those 4 licenses?
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 22, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
nope, middle science and middle.upper soc stud
not far from Bennett myself … and up til 2 months ago was in Watkins
drop me an email sometime if you’d like
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heh. Send my kids to take social studies from Ups, and next thing ya know...
they’re chaining themselves to the gate on the Forest Service road to the old growth the evil lumber companies want to cut down.
would of ≠ would've
Didn't get a chance to watch
How did he look?
by Denver_ChiefsFan on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 PM CST up reply actions
All of the QBs looked iffy, they were too timid
Didn’t want to make mistakes, tried for check downs/scrambles
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 22, 2012 5:50 AM CST up reply actions
Coleman looked pretty good.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 22, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Did he?
I missed the game. I was hoping he’d look good. That’s my darkhorse at the QB spot.
"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram
by citadelchief on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
trade 2012 and 2013 1st rounders 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders for the #1 one pick
and with the 1st pick in the 2012 nfl draft the kansas city chiefs select Justin Blackmon.
Dexter McCluster
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