Texans Vs. Ravens Open Thread
by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2012 11:32 AM CST
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PrintThe Houston Texans visit the Baltimore Ravens this afternoon in the AFC divisional round of the 2012 NFL playoffs. The Ravens are favored to win the game.
The New England Patriots beat the Denver Broncos on Saturday so the winner of this will play in New England next weekend.
I'm taking the Ravens. Who are you taking?
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and proof you don't need to take RB's in the first round
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Don't need to draft them at all, apparently.
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by ArrowSpread on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yates
Rooting for him. To bad he doesn’t openly flaunt his beliefs, or the guy could have had a whole week of disappointing buildup. I’ll say Ravens by 9.
by BucktheFroncos on Jan 15, 2012 12:01 PM CST reply actions
No way the Ravens cover.
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probably not
just thought i would try and Jonah Steve’s line :)
by BucktheFroncos on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
I also picked the Texans in the preseason to go to the Super Bowl.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Deirdorf looks like a Shar Pei
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He
and Fouts are my absolute least favorite announcers for Chiefs games.
by BucktheFroncos on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind Dierdorf.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
that statement makes my ears cringe
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More than Aikman?
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The worst is Joe Buck...
How that asshole has that job, but doesn’t understand the difference between an end around and a reverse is beyond me.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
his dad?
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But his dad didn't call football games...
Joe Buck is much less bad during baseball games.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I guess Jack did call some football too
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I couldn't remember
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That applies to about 95% of announcers.
doesn’t understand the difference between an end around and a reverse
Its one of my biggest pet peeves
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't bother me as much...
I also hate it when a replay is shown a hundred times and announcers spend too much time looking at the feet to not see a knee was down.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
You have too!
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Tebow thinks so
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maybe that is why he looks confused
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sounds like the name of an elf
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Setting the tone.
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It's strange that you don't see more FB dives in short yardage situations.
It’s a quick handoff to a big guy that already has a couple steps of steam. Just makes sense.
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I don't know why more teams don't run those off guard instead of over center...
Or do what you said out of the offset I
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Ravens are inconsistent.
But they’re as good as any team in the AFC when they come to play. And they should come to play this week. This is the week were the Texans really miss their starting QB.
I don't trust the Ravens offense at all... Or this guy.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Meh...
inconsistency doesn’t care about the situation. It rears its head randomly.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
you don't trust Ernie?
what’d he ever do to break your trust in him!
Damn all those guys we missed on, turn out
fabulous
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Kris Wilson would have been much better than he was...
I wonder if playing behind Tony G for so long just stunted his development.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I never had high expectations for him.
Kris Wilson was such an athletic freak coming out of college.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Tony Gonzalez?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
Id give that nod to Kleinsasser
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
you just don't get it
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
How'd they manage to keep a lid on that for 17 weeks is beyond me.
You’d think Pioli was running the Ravens franchise.
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by ArrowSpread on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
They think that far in advance.
How epic would a Ravens 49ers rematch be in the Super Bowl.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Who has more TD's this week, Kris Wilson or Gronkowski?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
he had 3
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
How can a show be "A New Hit Comedy" after one episode?
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I watched about half of Rob... and it was about as bad as all his shitty movies.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
They did ........
he is on ME TV
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Laura Petrie: Rob, you’re not well.
Robert ‘Rob’ Petrie: Laurie, I’m perfectly all right.
Laura Petrie: Really? Then how come you can’t out-wrestle a 112-pound woman?
Robert ‘Rob’ Petrie: Because I’m not really trying, that’s why.
Laura Petrie: [pinning him down] Try.
Robert ‘Rob’ Petrie: All right, you want to play around? Okay.
[tries to get up, but Laurie keeps him pinned down]
Robert ‘Rob’ Petrie: Okay, Gorgeous George, knock it off. All right, so you’re stronger than me; what does that prove?
Laura Petrie: It proves you’re sick.
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
hmm good article on Flynn and Packers on PFT
Chiefs need to give up a 4th round pick and work out a sign/trade deal for Flynn!
from the article
Unless, of course, a team desperate to secure "dibs" on Flynn works discreetly with the Packers to set up a sign-and-trade scenario that allows Flynn to receive a fair contract, to go to his desired destination, and to allow the Packers to get some compensation for developing the seventh-rounder into one of the hottest names on the free-agent market.
I believe thats called tampering
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
they are sneaky that way
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I misread it.
But it doesn’t make any sense. For one why would Flynn do this? And two if a team is that desperate why would they sign him and give up a draft pick, when they could just sign him.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
if they work out a deal before he goes to FA
they don’t have to worry about him signing with another team.
but I agree, I don’t know why Flynn would agree to it instead of just seeing what he’s worth in the open market.
But it comes down to giving up money and picks.
In the long run its cheaper to just give up the money
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
I would imagine...
it comes down to about a 4 or 5 team bidding war, and I doubt that any of them are that good, so its probably going to just come down to money.
With the slot system on the draft now, draft picks are more valuable than ever.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I have no idea why Flynn would do that.
Doesn’t make any sense to me either. I think his signing bonus would count against the Packers too, which makes it less likely they’d want to.
It all depends on how the signing bonus was drafted...
you could change it to a roster bonus, all kinds of clever wording that could change how the bonus is applied.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
thought it was only tampering
if you contacted a player under contract, not a team
Hottest?
When did they write that about Orton?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
neck beards aren't hot?
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If I were Flynn, I would know I could make more money on the open market as a FA so I wouldn't sign a deal with GB at less money
just so they could get a mid-rd draft pick and trade me somewhere
They cant trade Flynn
and we cant trade Carr unless they are franchised tagged and signed deal. Without that they both go wherever they want to go.
the point was...
that GB would resign Flynn then trade him… Which is very unlikely
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
SO who is the new Backup GB QB?
wouldn’t it make more sense to re-sign him?
Are we going to talk about the Houston Texans during the GB game?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Why would it make sense to resign him?
He’s going to demand starter money based on his small sample, and he will get it because a team will pay it.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
so
Flynn
Orton
Campbell
…
all are going to be starters somewhere in the nfl
along with
Luck
Manning
and
RGIII
?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt all those guys will be starters.
I still think Indy keeps Peyton and drafts Luck… And I also doubt Campbell will be a starter next year.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
does anyone on that team deserve the money more?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
That's not the point.
The worst team in the NFL cannot afford to tie up that much money in one position.
If Manning bounces back they won't be the worst team in the NFL
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
But the logic is (not that I agree with it)
Before Manning went down they were a Super Bowl contender, without Manning they are a terrible team, when Manning comes back they will be a Super Bowl contender again.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's obvious now
that they’re not a legitimate Super Bowl contender, even with Manning. He helped mask some of their problems that are now painfully obvious. And I think cutting ties with Polian indicates they’re ready for a fresh start, and not satisfied with false hope.
Irsay doesn't strike me as the most rational owner
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'll have to agree with you.............
AGAIN
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I wish the Chiefs would tie up 50 Million in QB money
not to Manning though
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Careless Whispers
to
Drew Brees Agent might get a Deal done :)
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Tebow
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
This...
Its an investment. They can get more for Manning if he proves he is healthy. And if Manning comes back and they don’t miss a beat, then who cares.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
But why pay him 35 Million for one season.
Because you aren’t going to sit Luck for two years are you?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
How is Manning going to make 35 million?
And how will Luck make 15 million in his first year?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Manning is due a $28M roster bonus.
That’s in addition to his yearly salary.
Cam Newton received a $14,518,000 signing bonus last year. Certainly Luck will get more than that.
Signing bonus is spread out over 4 years
His cap number is 4 million this year
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Cam Newton that is
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
It's spread out over the cap.
That doesn’t mean the money paid is spread out over the life of the contract. Otherwise, what would be the point of not just making it salary?
because its still guaranteed
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think that is true
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
by those numbers
Cam Newton is making 4 million, not 15.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
the signing bonus is the bulk of his contract this year
His salary is 375K, and his signing bonus for this year is 3.6 million.
Luck won’t make much more than Newton did, the slotting system won’t let it get out of hand.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Luck will make about $17M
and Peyton will make about $35M. Hence, “do you think the Colts will tie up about $50M in one position this year?”
Luck will not make 17 million year one.
Teams do not pay all the singing bonus in one year.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yes they do.
Again, why do you think they even have a signing bonus? I already demonstrated that all of Cam’s contract is guaranteed. So why split some of it off as a signing bonus?
You’re confusing cap hit, which IS spread out over the life of the contract, vs. when the money actually changes hands.
But its not...
the link you sent me clearly shows its split over 4 years.
I don’t know why it is the case with the Newton contract since apparently his whole contract is guaranteed, probably because its not that much considering he’s the first pick.
But that signing bonus is spread out over 4 years. Its clear as day on that link YOU posted.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Cap hit
is a reflection of what the player makes that year. Why would the NFL allow the cap hit to be spread out if they are going to spend all the money initially.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Bonuses are never spread out.
Or they wouldn’t be bonuses. Lucks signing bonus is like Mannings roster bonus. It’s paid upfront.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Here you can see
Bradfords wasn’t
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Bradfords signing bonus was paid year two.
Signed a six-year, $78 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including all six years’ base salaries, a $2.88 million first-year roster bonus, and a second-year “signing” bonus of $17.974 million
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
his wasn’t spread out, which is why the Rams took the hit in year two
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
Which means at the start of the league year in year two of his contract he was paid 17.9M$ upfront
Then received his salary cheques every week over the course of the season.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
right...
And it shows that on his contract information… But Cam Newtons is spread out over 4 years, like it shows on his contract information
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Cam Newton got a 14M$ signing bonus upfront
But as far as cap hit it’s spread out over the life of the contract. You can’t really compare Newtons last year to anything done before because with the new CBA these contracts are going to be set up differently. In cash though he was still paid that bonus up front.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
This is fucking ridiculous
why would the NFL allow the money to be spread out if, the money was paid now?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
It's called a contract.
Some things are put in to benefit the players. Not everything in the CBA is for the owners’ benefit.
Oh its called a contract?
So spreading a singing bonus out over 4 years wouldn’t be to the teams benefit?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
the argument works both ways
it also benefits to pay it out over 4 years
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
That would certainly benefit owners.
Not so much the players, who benefit by receiving more money up front. As I said.
but the money is still
guaranteed, where the contracts are not. Which benefits the players also
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
You forget.
The players fought hard against having a salary cap at all. Obviously the owners had to throw them some bones in order to get a deal done. They weren’t going to be able to just implement an all pro-owner salary cap.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1/15/2709088/texans-vs-ravens-2012#88787751
I didn't forget
I don’t see how it applies.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
That's the breakdown of the cap hit.
Okay, explain to me why there is any such thing as a signing bonus, if it’s all spread out just like salary.
Because not all salarys
are guaranteed.
But the singing bonus are.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
I give up.
CAM NEWTON’S ENTIRE CONTRACT IS GUARANTEED.
SAM BRADFORD GOT $50M GUARANTEED. IT WASN’T ALL IN A SIGNING BONUS.
WOW!
Im not arguing this.
Im arguing that it is spread out. Because it clearly is.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
One last time and then I'm done.
Since all of Cam Newton’s contract is guaranteed, why is some of it called signing bonus and some of it called base salary? Keeping mind that any or all of base salary can be guaranteed. (And is, in this case.)
All of his contract is guaranteed
because its only 22 million. It could be for some reason if Newton is cut so they can defer some of it later, and pay some of it now. I really don’t know, and I doubt you do either.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, I do.
Look at the bottom of the comments. The signing bonus is paid in a lump sum, as I said.
It doesnt really matter what the cap hit is.
They’re still forking over 15+2-3M for him next year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Manning has a 28M$ bonus being paid at the start of the league year + 7.5 in salary for the season.
Last year Cam Newtons signing bonus was 14.5M plus his couple million in salary. And if you’re trying to prove that Manning is healthy so you can trade him next year you might get what? One 1st for him? Or you cut him now, save 35M$ and get a 3rd rounder for him next year for comp pick.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
If Manning his healthy he brings back more than one 1st
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not a chance.
Especially when the whole league knows you have to trade him. By then a 37 year old QB who has a serious injury history now with his neck being traded by a team who HAS to get rid of him won’t draw much more then a 1st rounder.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
You underestimate the stupidity of some teams...
And I don’t see why Manning wouldn’t be open to renegotiating his contract, he didn’t want all that money in the first place.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
What benefit is it to him to renegotiate?
So he gets one more year with the Colts? He knows they arent going to sit Luck for more then one season so he would be out the season after anyway. If Polian was there then maybe but I doubt it now. Also that team, even with him, might not even be a playoff contender. He wants to win. That team isn’t winning anything next year even with him.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Because if he is trying to prove his worth...
his best chance at proving it might be with the Colts. He isn’t going to be able to go to a new team and have the same system, or freedom he has in Indy.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
So he proves his worth next year with the Colts
Then gets traded to a team that he has no say in and costs his new team a pick or multipe picks? That doesn’t seem to be worth it.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think the Colts would do that to him
At this point, its not like Peyton would care if a team is going to mortgage the future to win now.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
The only guy who had allegiance to him is out of the building now.
I’ll be shocked if he isnt released before the start of the league year. The only alternative I can see is if he agrees to renegotiate his contract in exchange for being traded to a team he approves of this offseason. And considering we supposedly looked into trading for him last offseason we still might be in the mix in a trade scenario this year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Irsay doesn't have allegiance to Peyton
If it wasn’t for Peyton, that team wouldn’t have gotten a new stadium and would have been moved to LA.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Irsay is a business man
I don’t think he has any allegiance to him. Alot of what you just said is in past tense which is how Irsay will look at it too.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
That organization
owes everything it has to Peyton, and they aren’t going to fuck him because of it.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think you underestimate what business people will to in the name of "business decisions".
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
do*
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
We are talking about the same
guy who forced Peyton to take more money
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
That was Polian.
Trying to protect the paper legacy that Peyton was propping up.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
So you think Indy is going to pay 50M$ to thei QBs next year?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
It takes two to tango.
wouldn’t it make more sense to re-sign him?
I imagine he wants to start, and wants to get starter money. And he probably will.
Yeah what the hell was that Steve Young asshole thinking
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Dammit Tarkus
Don’t go putting words in peoples Mouths
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
He said he hates backups who think they can start. Every QB in the NFL should have that attitude. If not, they either lack confidence in themselves, or they lack a competitive spirit.
Moneyball taught me that if they have ugly girlfriends they lack confidence
So Brodie Croyle should be a starter
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Refs should throw a flag
on Flaccos foo man choo
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
What a terrible read by Yates.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Great blitx pick up there
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Already?
You’d think that would happen in the off season
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
If Pioli has't been able to get either Carr or Bowe signed by this point I doubt he overpays for a FA lineman
He’ll go for a Mike Goff type instead
Myers will more then likely be back in Houston
They would be dumb to let him go. If the Chiefs don’t like Hudson at center moving forward then a guy that I would like to see brought in(alot cheaper then Myers) is Scott Wells from GB.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Flacco
God dang he’s one funny looking dude.
by Jordan w on Jan 15, 2012 1:07 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Nice lil hold, there.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
And people were actually mad we let this guy walk?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Houston is a feast or famine running offense
they either get huge chunks of yards or nothing
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That was a hell of a catch
Ron Paul 2012
by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM CST reply actions
Foster aint going quietly
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Anyone know if RB#3 Derrick Ward for Texans is a FA this off season?
He’d be a good complement to Charles
Free agent but 31 years old.
I’ve always liked him as a depth back but he’s hitting that age where things go south.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
True enough
Only about 200 carries total over the last 3 seasons.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else want to see a niners-ravens Super Bowl?
Two of the best defences in the game, plus it’s two brothers coaching against each other in the Super Bowl.
Yes, you are getting out debated by a 17 year old. Enjoy!
Would be about as boring as the BCS Championship
I don’t see how the Niners make it though. If it wasn’t for the Saints shooting themselves in the foot early, the Saints would’ve run away with the game.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Jamaal Charles...
got 82 yards with 9 carries against the baltimore D. If it wasn’t for Matt Cassel, he probably would have had broken 150 yards with 10 more carries. I am very excited to see Charles run over every team we play next year as he always does.
Yup, dude gets upfield fast.
But that’s the Phillips 3-4… I don’t see him eating up double teams.
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Dorsey isn't asked to eat up double teams much in our D either.
Crennel uses him more as a one gap guy on that side, although that may be because he knows he can’t stand up to double teams all day so he’s adjusted to play to Glenns strengths.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't see that double team on that Dickson play right now?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
Now would be the time to do it with Brockers declaring.
Or maybe Allen Bailey can be that guy. He started to really come around late in the year. You would think there would be some interest in Dorsey from 4-3 teams and he’s probably still worth a midrounder.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Would love to see
Bailey get more snaps. Hate to think that trading Dorsey to a 4-3 will allow him to have a greater effect than he ever had with us, but I guess it would be a win win scenario.
Why not just keepDorsey for the final year
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 15, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
how do u feel about T jack
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Because he isn't worth anything to us next year
If we can get a 4th rounder for him now then we at least get something. Of course I guess you could hope he walks and really has an amazing season with his name and get a 3rd round comp pick but I would rather have a 4th now.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think the Chiefs would be a better team with him this year
than a 3-4 round pick.
then we can decide to sign or franchise him
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
We have Bailey and can re-sign Gordon who was very good in spot duty this year.
I don’t think we’re that much better this year with him and it would come at a cost of getting a younger, more appropriate player at that position getting snaps.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
and spend our 1st round pick on that?
CMON MAN
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
You really don't need to replace him with anything more then Bailey and Gordon if you dont want to.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
and get totally run over by Denver and Oakland
Pitt Baltimore and Cleveland with Trent Richardson
no thanks
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
a 3rd round pick is not worth losing 7 games next year
on a Bailey and a prayer
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
If we're losing 7 games next year then we have more problems then just DE.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Your trade would create more problems than benefit
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
How so?
We would trade a player at a position that we can afford to lose, gain a draft pick to get a player to develop in another position of need and save about 4.5M$.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I would be perfectly comfortable with Gordon over Dorsey going into next year.
You could make a very good argument that Gordon > Dorsey this year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
is gordon signed for 2012
I don’t think so
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Do you really think there will be a huge market for him?
I think that’s an easy re-sign.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
How can you make this claim?
Gordon didn’t nearly have the same snaps as Dorsey.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
I dont think
we are going to get run over by anyone next year.
Add Berry and Siler to our D which has already shown great potential and a possibility to be a top 3 Defense next year.
dorsey had a good year this year
stat wise
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like stats.
I like what I see with my eyes and this year he was hot and cold and got absolutely no pressure on the QB. In his only start in place of Dorsey, Gordon had a better game then Dorsey put up all year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like football stats
because they are inconclusive
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Football stats are worthless without context.
When you put the two together they make sense but honestly football isn’t baseball.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
So I guess Dorsey is better than anyone else
since he played more damn snaps than anyone else for the Chiefs at 3-4 DE
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
Last year he did
That wasn’t the case this year. I think your way overvalueing Dorsey here. Where’s Kalo when I need 2 cents.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I repeat he played more 3-4 DE snaps than anyone else
of course I meant Chiefs players
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
You are undervaluing his contribution to our team
Run stopper
and Hali and DJ are both Pro-Bowlers cause of Dorsey
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
yep
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
I mean some football stats will tell you basic things
but the only stats I put a lot of faith in are football outsiders DVOA and DYAR, and I can’t calculate those so they don’t interest me as much.
Im also not sold on QBR
There are mainstream baseball stats that are far more useless than any football stat…
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think the value we get out of him starting
And allowing our young guys to continue developing>4th round pick
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 15, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
we have lots of positions that need upgraded first
Weigmann
Lilja
Richardson
NT
maybe CB and or WR
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
so you'd rather keep a player that's going to be gone next year, rather than trade him this year for a 4th rd pick?
that pick could in turn be used for one of the needs you listed above.
The cost is lost games
We are trying to WIN games not the Draft
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
b rich and weigs are the big ones
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
You Hope
no guarantees that Hudson is better
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
To continue to allow our young guys to develop
Bailey isn’t ready and one start from Gordon does not a player make. If we drafted Brockers in the first I’d rather we let him sit a year too, he’s only 21 and growing into his body.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 15, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
who cares
He would be disruptive in kc defense better than dorsey or tjack ever has btw tjack gates is better than Cassel too
Watt should have went top 10
Seriously such a damn good player.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
First time commenting
Off topic of the game. I would like manning here not as a qb but as a QB coach. He is young enough to put the pads on and show what to do and what to look for etc. instead of pictures and films alone. Thoughts about that
by kniteeagle67 on Jan 15, 2012 2:09 PM CST via mobile reply actions
NFL Salary Cap
Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let’s say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year).
Because salaries have continued to grow at a rate outpacing the salary cap, teams have found ways to circumvent the cap. Signing bonuses don’t count toward a team’s cap for a given year. A player who receives a signing bonus gets more money for that year than his recorded “salary,” leaving more room in the cap for the other players.
This should end the conversation.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Because this is still AP right?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
I have so many more questions and counterpoints
but they’ve all been said before, so I don’t see the point in rehashing them.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
maybe you could explain MLB rules?
that should take a week or so
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
do u think there is any chance brees becomes a free agent
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
zero
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
Is there a number less then zero?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Is there a number less than zero that isn't negative I can use?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
u don't think brees wants to atleast listen to what teams might offer him.
kinda like what bowe and carr might do
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
Not a chance.
Have you read that KC Start article? KC has nothing to offer.
by independent739 on Jan 15, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Star**
(sorry, cable cutting out is throwing me off my game)
by independent739 on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
nope
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
He might want to listen
But he won’t get a chance to. Franchisetagville for Brees.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it takes that long
I imagine a deal gets done before they have to Franchise him.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
if they tag brees would u still trade for him 2 first rd picks
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
I would.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
without hesitation
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
And then sign him to a 7 year 100M$+ deal.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
of course
and it will be spread over 7 years, cept that 1st part :)
Tag AG your it
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
What could another team possibly offer him to make him think about moving?
He is a god in that town.
He has a great coach.
He leads an offense that just helped him break the all-time passing record for a QB
Do you really think another team could even hope to lure him away by offering him 18 million instead of 15?
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
if it was a right situation and a huge amount of dough some off the wall contract that the saints can't match i say yes he would consider it big time
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think there is a "righter" situation though
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
This ^
He is just as likely to win more Super Bowls with the Saints as he is anyone else.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
This is true
Brees with the Chiefs D and with all of Chiefs offensive skilled position players?
Chance for multiple championships and a dynasty.
the Chiefs don't have Graham
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Chiefs
have Charles, the best RB in the league, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki, McClain, McCluster, and Battle.
Brees can work well with those players.
Charles and Moeaki are far from sure things...
Baldwin has done nothing, McClain doesn’t have a purpose in a Brees offense, Battle isn’t that good.
McCluster could be dangerous with Brees, Bowe might not be back, and Breaston is getting old
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I have more faith in the Royals future than the Chiefs
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
whereas the Roylas need 3 Standout Pitchers
the Chiefs need Just One
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but the Royals have more offensive firepower than the Chiefs
Plus potential in starting pitching, where as the Chiefs know exactly what they have in “pitching”
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
This
is truly delusional. There is no way Royals are going to win a championship any time soon. They cannot beat the Rays, Yankees, Rangers, Tigers, Angels or the Red Sox in a playoff series. The Yanks and Red Sox are going to keep spending so it doesnt really matter if they get old, and Rays are always going to have better younger players infused with timely veteran hitting because of Joe Maddon and Andrew Friedman. Not to mention the Rangers and Angels are getting better and better.
All the Chiefs need is a QB to become a great team in the NFL.
the funny thing is...
They won’t have to beat the Rays, Yankees, Ragners, Tigers, Angels and the Red Sox in a playoff series.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
just because Brees plays a certain style with the saints, doesnt mean he can’t play in any other type of offense.
Saying Charles is nothing from a sure thing is tremendously undervaluing the guy, and great QBs are going to get the ball into the WR’s hands. With the WR we have and the mismatches we can create, Brees would break 400 yards passing every game if he wanted to.
you are very dillusional
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Dont see how im delusional
Breaston was a great WR for the Cardinals when they had a good QB.
Bowe we all know is a huge offensive threat. Baldwin has showed alot of potential this year and most of his problems seem to be tied to his lack of focus and timing. I would put money that he makes big strides for next year. Moeaki also showed great talent his first year and was very sure handed his first season, not to mention he had the greatest catch in the regular season that year when Cassel overthrew him by a mile in the endzone.
Charles’s rushing averages have been astronomically high since college, and I really dont see why you dont think JC is a sure thing. He singlehandedly carried Cassel to a 10-6 record and a playoff berth last season.
Thats the funny thing about delusional people...
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
rofl
youll be eating your words next season. Even Orton is going to be successful with Charles back.
You’ll see again the greatness of Jamaal Charles
what words were those exactly?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
You mean like the mismatches his team creates now?
by independent739 on Jan 15, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
You mean
with one of the worst QBs in Cassel and definitely the worst QB in Palko? Dont understimate the importance of the QB
yes
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Brees just broke the all-time passing record with the offense he has
Why on earth would he want to come to KC to be coached by Bill Muir (unlikely) or some yet unknown OC?
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Manning?
Hell Kansas City is worse than Cleveland and Akron and Detroit rolled into one
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I think Manning would almost prefer a weak OC
that way he could do things his way. But yeah, if Manning was uninjured and playing at the top of his game, there’s no way in hell he’d consider KC either.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
given the current situation with the colts manning would consider kc alot
the colts are in rebuild and manning got a few years to play if healthy
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Do the Chiefs get an asterisk?
since we were the orignal Texans :)
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Ravens vs Texans
Who gets the chance to lose to Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game…
Interesting stat at ESPN
New England hasn’t beat a team with a winning record all year.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Packers haven't lost to a team with a winning record all year
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think
49rs defense is similar to our D in terms of their skill talent across the board with great LB and CB who can cover. They also have the luxury of a more consistent pass rush, and I think Packs are going to lose to the 49rs if they beat the giants today.
wasn't really the point
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
that stats can be misleading
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
haha Touche!
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
Brady and his O line looked better than ever against the broncos. Theres a chance Texans or Ravens could be a tough mathcup. But i see both of these teams, especially with their QBs getting overwhelmed by Brady and the Pats in Foxborough early.
I think the only team that stops the Patriots this year are the Giants.
And I need that to happen so my better half doesn’t get angry at me for betting on the Giants to win tonight.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Haha
it’s not likely they’ll win, but it could definitely happen. They do seem to beat teams they aren’t suppose to beat
The odds were right.
I’m counting on them being the healthiest they’ve been all year, the defense coming around and their ability to pressure with their front four to give them a chance. Also Eli has finally turned me into a believer and their 3 WRs might be better then the 3 WRs GB puts on the field.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Did you bet on them to win, or cover?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Win on one bet and cover on my other ticket to cover my ass.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot he played for the Ravens
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't good enough to play for the Chiefs and Texans
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
did herm cut pollard
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm glad State Farm finally filmed some new commercials
I was getting sick of the same ole’ Discount Double-Check
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 15, 2012 2:36 PM CST reply actions
Did you see him this year?
I’d bet my shirt he’s on his way out of town this offseason.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I have never seen a player look that awkward in space.
They really should’ve lined him up opposite of Watt or something. What a mess. Considering they had a top 5 defense without him, they have to see how expendable he is now and he still has alot of trade value.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Not really a fit for 3-4 at all
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Ray Lewis is like a pitbul... He doesn't let go
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All the concern is what happens with Luck/Manning next year...
What happens with Schaub/Yates next year? Clearly Shaub won’t lose his job next year, but how long does Houston hang onto Yates.
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Until his contract is up (probably 4 years)
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this playing time is very valuable....
even if he is only a career back-up…..its gonna make him some money later down the road
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i spoke too soon
he just threw another pick…lol
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Schaub has one year left on his contract.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ed Reed is still the man.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Why does he keep throwing that ball up like that??
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
He is a 5th round rookie. You would be better off playing Palko than him. :)
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oh no....give him more credit than that
he has put 13 points up against the Ravens D….Palko would have -13
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who cares...
i dont want either one of them in KC next year
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turnovers are 4-0 and its a one score game?
Good luck in Foxborough Baltimore.
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Baltimore is old and on the decline. Houston with Shaub beats them today.
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Pittsburgh is old and on the decline.
We get both next year
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else watching this game
and thinking even with the mistakes, they would rather have Yates than Cassel?
tj yates
Better than Cassel plz get a real qb in kc flynn yates. Orton anyone but cassel
getting flynn would put us in the exact same scenario as when we got Cassel
Despite popular opinion, Orton is the exact same QB as Cassel, ie a game manager.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
But a better game manager.
With a better arm, that can actually read defenses and make progressions.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
Two games against two of the worst passing defenses in the league on a team with offensive weapons that 90% of the league doesnt have.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
who cares if he reads the defense if he still throws it straight to them.
At least Cassel has shown he can protect the football
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
When
has he done that? Ive seen him have absolutely no pocket awareness and get sacked.
2010
27 TDs 7 Ints
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
and 0td and 3 int against the ravens, are you kidding me you clearly dont watch Cassel play.
Terrible accuracy, inadequate arm strength, cant read a defense, no pocket awareness, prone to turnovers, lack of pocket awareness, not athletic,cant convert on 3rd downs ever.
He has absolutely nothing going for him other than the fact that he is a “great leader” by being so resilient at sucking.
Small Sample Size FTW!!!
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wow
you really dont watch football. Im honestly tired of idiots wanting Cassel to keep playing for the Chiefs.
If you are using one game to prove anything
then you clearly don’t understand anything
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
No
I just thought by now that people have watched a couple seasons of Cassel and finally realized how crappy of a QB he is.
Ive seen as many seasons of Cassel being good as bad.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
No one
is saying Cassel is a great, good, or even average QB. Just saying that Orten is not signficantly better overall. Not sure why you’re not getting this.
This space for rent.
Im not saying
Orton is a franchise QB. I dont understand why youre not getting the fact that Cassel is flat out one of the worst QBs in the league, and Orton is not.
Orten's
rating is 81.1, Cassel’s is 76.4 and Orten led us to one touchdown per game like clockwork. Orten is a bad QB who is better then Cassel, but he’s still bad.
This space for rent.
Of course comparing 9 games to 3 games
isn’t exactly definitive
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
But like I've been saying all along.
And no one has even tried to counter.
That we don’t know if Orton looked better because he is better, or because the offense clearly changed after Haley was fired.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
I liked Orton before he became a Chief.
And just going by the eye test, he looked a lot better to me than Cassel. I hope we get more games to evaluate with him next season.
Making excuses?
I’m suprised.
Anyway, his career stats line up pretty well with his 3 game rental in KC. And career stats over 6 years are pretty definative.
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Well if you are gonna play the career line
Cassel has a QB rating of 82.8 as a starter.
I really don’t have a favorite in this discussion, and I really could care less who the QB is next year. with either guy the offense won’t be great next year.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm
was the KC offense really any better with Orton?
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah it was an honesty question
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
3>1
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore the last game
Cassel was 27-4. Even better numbers.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
And
if you actuallly Watched those games, you woudl know Cassel was absolutely horrible and could not move the ball and it was basically all Jamaal Charles that year.
and if you watched the games the previous year he took the Chiefs to the playoffs
while protecting the ball
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
cuz with so many good QBs in the league now, I would play Cassel who “takes care” of the ball for one season while Charles jsut dominates defense instead of a QB who can actually exploit the defense stacking 8 or 9 in the box
Yeah, because Orton really exploited defenses this year
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Looked better than Cassel
with no Jamaal or Tomo
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
The offense was also significantly different...
Like I said earlier.
Did Orton play better because the offense was opened up after Haley left, or is Orton actually an upgrade over Cassel.
You can’t really prove either.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
So
why the hell would you go with Cassel who has shown no positives except for the fact that he played after an appendectomy against teh rams.
you sure love your hyperbole
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
then
what aspect of his QB has been a positive?
3100 yards last year with only 7 picks
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Those
are stats. We can also see that he was 26th in accuracy that year. What part of his QB play is a positive?
You said he is that Cassel has no positives
Im just giving things that disprove that
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I guess the only way to prove it
is start Orton next season :)
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Or Cassel
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
We already know what Cassel can do.
And it’s not good enough.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
We don't know what Cassel will do without Haley
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
What
part of his QB play is such a positive that he would prove to be a successful QB if Haley goes out?
He did go to a Pro Bowl last year
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
That
is not an aspect of QB play. Did he show good consistency in throwing the ball? Did he show good accuracy? Did he show good decision making? Did he show good QB pocket awareness?
What part of his QB play is so appealing to you?
When did I ever say he was appealing to me?
You just keep using hyperbole and circumstantial evidence that proves nothing
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well
im just asking what is your defense of Cassel? What makes him a good QB? I just honestly want to know why you think he is a better QB than Orton.
He's not.
Going through progressions- Orton
Deep ball- Orton
Accuracy- Orton
Pocket presence- Orton
Not to mention a really good play action qb. With Jamaal back. drool
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I never said he was
I asked is Orton a better QB than Cassel.
And everything you have said is hyperbole and circumstantial.
Nothing you have said definitively says that Orton is better than Cassel. We don’t know if Orton looked better because he is better, or if Cassel looked worse because Haley was holding an arm behind his back…
Because here is what I know. The offensive play calling was dramatically better after Haley was fired.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling it will be more of the same.
Staring down his primary receiver and expecting him to make a great catch. That and panicking in the pocket and somehow falling into a defender. More consistent 3-and-outs.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
13 turnovers in 9 games while only putting up 10 TDs?
“Protecting the football” is a great trait of a backup QB.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Not arguing with that
My point is that Orton’s biggest strength is that he is the replacement QB. Not because he actually came in and did something with the team.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
was the KC offense really any better with Orton?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+999999999999999999999999
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
And actually
I seem to remember scoring more TDs this year with Cassel
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Heres what I saw...
I saw a more aggressive offense after Haley got fired. I don’t know if that was Orton or Haley.
But they didn’t really score any more points.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Orton
beat the packers, should have been Oakland if it wasnt for the two blocked field goals which he could do nothign about, and beat denver.
Cassel would have lost all three games outright.
Circumstantial evidence is Circumstantial
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Apples to oranges.
Give Orton an offseason of work with the team and in the system with an actual running game behind him and it’s hard to not understand why people would be more optimistic about him then Cassel.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
that may be...
Or give Cassel a chance without Haley and its hard not to understand why you could be more optimistic about Cassel.
I mean, I like Orton more. But I don’t think any evidence we have is definite one way or the other
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
Except
we should go with what evidence we do have.
And all evidence points to the fact that Orton will make us a more successful team.
what evidence?
your skills as a pro evaluator?
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
We are talking about a QB that has been gotten rid of by two teams
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
there been a few great players kc let go only to be good some where else
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
how many of those were QB's?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
qb wise rich gannon comes to mind
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Dont forget Grbac
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
Word is though that Haley is the reason why Cassel succeeded last year.
So that’s not much of an argument either.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Except I think it was Weis so whatever
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
I just think we've seen the ceiling for Cassel.
And the potential of Orton is higher then that. Not endorsing settling for another retread QB but if the only two options next year are Orton and Cassel it’s a no brainer for me.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think one is that much better than the other...
Aside from Orton’s wicked play fake I haven’t seen anything from him that says he is much better than Cassel.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
He can read defenses, go through progressions,
Convert third down passes. All I know is the offense was better with a guy that was on the team for three weeks with a busted up finger then they did with the guy who’s been with the team for three years.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
except
he can actaully move the ball down the field.
Dont you remember all the 3 and outs with Cassel? it was a miracle if he actually converted on a 3rd down.
Orton threw 1 TD in 3 games.
Hardly moving the ball down the field
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
He threw 1 TD
but he set up more for our running game, but im talking about not going 3 and out.
oh that whopping 13 points per game...
watch out league
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
He moved the ball down field just fine.
I seem to remember a few TD drops and a complete failure by the o line to open up holes inside the 20 (or anywhere for that matter)
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I remember Bowe dropping passes from Cassel too
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
cuz his passes were usually behind or over his receivers.
But bowe did drop passes, and he has improved every year unlike Cassel who has shown the same annual anemic QB play
u mean cassel lazer passes to bowe
just like obama is lazer focused on jobs
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by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
ha
Orton moved the ball fine or don’t u remember throwing deep to cooper and pope and bowe and actually further than 10 yards without much time with our we’d no offseason to learn the playbook and no Jamal charles and made the oline look better come on Orton over Cassel anyway
by rickrock58 on Jan 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Exactly
There’s more then just yards and points scored. We had issues in the red zone(gold zone) this year because of the running game, but Ortons success also extends to keeping the defense off the field and keeping the field position in our favor.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
weis made cassel
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
Cassel had 3 years to figure it out he’s done flynn has experience in college and little in the nfl he can play better than Cassel. flynn will have a better run game here in kc all the weapons we have aren’t that bad to greenbays and a improved oline I think Orton should be resigned or flynn picked up cuz Cassel is not the answer how many times you wanna see this guy till you figure out he just ain’t it?
by rickrock58 on Jan 15, 2012 3:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Seriously
It’s like the play of palko just erased everyones memories of how shitty Cassel was int he first place.
Seriously
It’s like the play of Orton just erased everyones memories of how shitty Palko was int he first place.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, so pull out the offseason bullshit arguement.
This isn’t dick vermiel’s playbook. You wanna know the biggest reason he may not have known the playbook? Cause he showed up late. He didn’t want to be here, so he didn’t try.
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't try?
This was the best chance that he had to audition for a contract to get paid next year. Why wouldn’t he try? You can’t learn the system and get chemistry with your players in a couple of weeks where more then half the time you couldn’t throw the ball because you had a busted up finger.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
While it is true
they both arent franchise QBs, Orton is a much better QB than Cassel.
based on what?
Stats? Only if you throw out Ortons worst years, and Cassels best. Kinda handy that you get to do that, huh
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by MarineChiefsFan on Jan 15, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
not true they both are good but Ortons simply done more with less and hes far ahead of Matt in his mechanics etc
Matts good but hes actually older than Orton but far behind him in his overall development as a qb despite having advantages that Orton would probably break don in tears about and thats what everyone sees . Not simply that they have similar stats so that makes them the same .
by Willie Beamon on Jan 15, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
orton a way better qb than cassel
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Flynn?
Not sure anyone knows if he’s real or not. And a report that the Packers aren’t likely going to franchise him and will let him walk is pretty telling.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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They were my pick in the preseason... And if Shaub hadn't gotten hurt It could have come true
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Can’t imagine they lose this game with Shaub and they would’ve been a good matchup vs the Pats.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
And they likely would have had a first round bye
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by averagegatsby on Jan 15, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
I swear
people just forgot how crappy Cassel was as a QB.
I just love seeing our QB with 60 yards at the half with a 0/6 third down conversion rate.
Looks like Patriots and Packers. Should be a good game
An old fashioned Shoot out. Brady wins.
Cassel Is The Man
…in 2012! Sorry boys, he’s better than Orton and coming back. Might be time for you to find a new team to follow cause Cassel is our guy.
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