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Just read this story

as a season ticket holder. I have no idea what to think. It’s appalling and I’m sad to think I’ve supported such behavior.

by Chief Willie Wildcat on Jan 14, 2012 11:58 PM CST reply actions  

Completely agree...

Likewise as a season ticket holder I don’t know if I should be upset or just assume this is what it takes to win a championship? If this is what it takes is it really worth it?

by jsChiefs23 on Jan 15, 2012 12:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Very iiinnnnnteresting

Wouldn’t be surprised to see this on the Front Page by noon tomorrow.

#baldwinning
"Come at me, Come at me bro" -Matt Cassel

by chiefs_fan05 on Jan 15, 2012 12:05 AM CST reply actions  

It makes me wonder if there wasn't some incidence with sports betting or selling info

going on prior to the big exodus a few years back. I don’t see this being unprovoked behavior. Too volatile and risky if it were not necessary.

by fishhooks on Jan 15, 2012 12:09 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 15, 2012 12:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That it does.

Really, the drama that surrounds professional sports is about the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. I can’t imagine the corporation I’m working for having this kind of scrutiny.

I just hope the media doesn’t run Pioli out of town, because he has us on the cusp of something great.

Further, look at all these players who love the team. Flowers, when he signed his contract, tweeted how he was glad he’s always going to be a Chief. They’re subject to the same, or at least similar, environment as the front office people.

People who had a cushy job just don’t like being relieved of it…

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Obviously the "phone tapping stuff" is crazy, but honestly, prove it. Nobody has yet.

But that’s not totally the point to me, whether it’s true or not. If multiple employees thought the place was tapped, what does that say about the culture of that working environment? That multiple people came to that conclusion?

by Joel Thorman on Jan 15, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I work in the IT field as a programmer

and work under the assumption that everyone is listening in to every phone conversation and reading every email.
It keeps me more sane, really. Prevents me from writing anything that I might regret.

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Jan 15, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I also work in IT

most small to medium companies do not have the capabilities to monitor successfully on a company wide scale.

Individuals you betcha, but if you are not doing anything wrong.

FUCK EM

It is a job, there are others that are better

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, none of that is good.

But that is also the only part of this story that strikes me as “news”. The rest is just fluff to make the organization look bad (and some of it is borderline REACHING). When it’s stuff that is probably happening on every major business campus on the planet.

by Chris Sembower on Jan 15, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

seems more probable that it is a manifestation of a guilt complex.

and if you don’t believe that multiple people can have the same story….

in high school, five or six of us (including a jr high teacher’s son) egged one of the math teachers’ home. We didn’t think about coming up with a story of where we were and what we were doing….because we didn’t expect anyone to find out.

Except somehow the math teacher suspected at least one person in our group that night.

We were individually “interrogated” by that jr. high teacher. she wanted to make sure her son wasn’t involved. none of us knew any of the others had been “interrogated,” nor had we collaborated to come up with a story.

Later on, when we all got together, we found out we all had told her the EXACT SAME STORY.
Yet the story was a lie….and we all just made up the exact same story without talking to each other.

So yeah….stranger things have happened.

Seems more probable that employee X, employee Y, and employee Z all knew they were doing things frowned upon by upper management. Boom. They get canned. Self-justification and hindsight bias kick in: man, I was right. they had my phone/room bugged and they found out I was leaking info to Babb, etc.

Seriously, I’m supposed to believe that Hunt is willing to spend a boatload of money on military/intelligence agency level phone tapping devices? Ha….maybe the Nolan brothers can get together with Michael Lewis and introduce the Sports Suspense Psych-Thriller genre.

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Being upset ubout a candy wrapper in a stairwell at work

and obsessing about it for a week and then bringing it up in a meeting is absolutely ridiculous.

If you can’t see that then there is no arguing with you.

www.arrowheadaddict.com

by Patrick Allen on Jan 15, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Truly freaking out about it is ridiculous. But using it as a coaching moment is very good. There was the a-hole who threw it on the ground. The people who didnt even see it, the people who saw it and didnt pick it up, and the person whose job it was to clean it up but didn’t do anything.

I would get flaming mad or anything but I think when youre trying to do a wholesale culture change you pick up on stuff like that.

by WURoyal on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

right on.

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Will try this again

If you think obsessing over a candy bar wrapper for a week and then bringing up at a meeting is normal there is no arguing with you.

If this is what Pioli is doing with his time then I am not surprised this shit show is going on.

www.arrowheadaddict.com

by Patrick Allen on Jan 15, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

The man is brought in to change the culture of the entire building.

I’m astonished that there are people saying that bringing up a candy bar wrapper that has literally been laying around in a location (as trash), in a meeting is ludicrous.

Jesus man, we’re just supposed to leave it there and he shouldn’t say anything.

Come on. It’s like any excuse to pick on Pioli possible. “He cares more about the trash than he does about football oh my god!!” Give me a breakkkkkkkkk.

I am not surprised this shit show is going on.

…. nobody would be surprised if this was any other campus on the planet. Get over it. The man has a big job. Quit being so goddamn upset that he has an attention to detail. It’s not a bad thing…

by Chris Sembower on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Monitoring trash is more stupid than monitoring phones

Maybe it is an East Coast thing, in KC. You are either a picker upper or a leave it there.

Usually I am a picker upper unless my job makes me feel like Fuck that, it is someone elses job.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

This.
It sucks when you are held accountable for your job, especially when you weren’t in the past.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions  

nice...

"At one point in your life you either have the thing you want or the reasons why you don't "

by chief Stevie_k on Jan 15, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Produce, or get out. I like it.

Thats fine as long as the people running the business hold themselves to that same standard.

If we see Crennel have a similar record to Haley over the next three years, will Pioli be held responsible or will he find another scapegoat?

by ChiefDJ on Jan 15, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh hey look.

Another story about how Pioli and Hunt are so evil.

Yawn.

The old guard, many of whom were let go, are fighting back in the media. The fact is that, as attested by many, the culture at Arrowhead was too lackadaisical, and Hunt brought Pioli in to change the culture. That’ll ruffle feathers every time. Difference here is our media is so desperate for this drama that they write the story like a murder mystery.

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 12:58 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly

When there is nothing to write about concerning the football aspect then write some reality tv crap about the business side.

by fishhooks on Jan 15, 2012 9:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting

A couple of names of these disgruntled employees and suing the team, Steve Cox and Stephanie…whatever her last name was, are the father-in-law and sister-in-law, of my big ex, girl I was with for four years in college. Worked for steve in the maintenance department in 2003. I haven’t talked to my ex in a long time. I didn’t know Steve and Stephanie were released, and suing the team. Wow

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 15, 2012 1:01 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

How would Todd's personal cell phone get bugged?

That says more about Haley’s state of mind than anything, if true.

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 1:05 AM CST reply actions  

Exactly.

And we thought his paranoid press conferences were Pioli’s idea.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

I think most of us assumed it would be business as usual. He put that to rest on day one, when he changed the QB depth chart, and said he told Pioli about it afterwards. And said all that without even being asked, as I recall.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

A) If his phone was ever out of his sight for more than a minute, it could get bugged very easily.

B) The article clearly states that Haley wasn’t the only person who suspected it was happening.

by SlipperyPete on Jan 15, 2012 3:28 AM CST up reply actions  

And yet Haley

never took his phone somewhere to “easily” get it checked for a bug. Nor did all the other disgruntled fired employees people “who suspected it was happening.”

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 3:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Funny...

I don’t recall that being said anywhere in the article.

Furthermore, you’re missing the point. Whether phones were actually being bugged, multiple Arrowhead employees, including the HEAD COACH, all thought it was possible. Does that speak to ALL of their “states of mind”? Or does it speak to a rather pathetic and toxic atmosphere being fostered at One Arrowhead Drive?

But let’s put up our hands Baghdad Bob style and act like it’s no big deal.

by SlipperyPete on Jan 15, 2012 4:21 AM CST up reply actions  

evidence

these secret tactics ARE NOT WORKING and are not helping us win games! the proof: two of three LOSING seasons under scott pioli.

these tactics make me embarrassed to be a chiefs fan.

by michaelaglover on Jan 15, 2012 1:23 AM CST reply actions  

That's so 2-14

My favorite line

The only players I hurt with my words are the ones who have an inflated opinion of their ability. I can't worry about that.
Bill Parcells

Knowledge is confidence. And confidence lets you play fast.
Bill Parcells

by kcguy on Jan 15, 2012 8:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

The only thing that makes me potentially embarrassed about this article is something that is only a rumor and that nobody can prove.

Everything else, for the most part, is stuff that I would expect any company that expects to thrive during a recession to adopt, I’m afraid.

Not that you did, but comparing the team that Pioli took over to the team being fielded today is almost a joke. That, to me, sounds like serious progress is being made.

by Chris Sembower on Jan 15, 2012 1:35 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Night and day.

And not just the record, but the organization as a whole. If Pioli quit tomorrow, the next guy would have a tremendous head start, compared to what Pioli started with three years ago.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

With what

A coaching staff of One and a nothing QB.

Jeff Fisher did not want the Chiefs and Chose the RAMS

Give me a break

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see the recession having anything to do with it.

If it’s true they are doing it for the same reason they have closed practices. It a competitive field and some (Al Davis) would pay big money for certain information. It’s all about accountability.

by fishhooks on Jan 15, 2012 9:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Last I heard he was DEAD

Al can watch all the Chiefs practices he wants now

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh oh.

Someone told Jason Fatlock about this article. “This is really solid journalism!”

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

Very nice article by Babb

Suprised the Star did not can it for not being worth the trouble it will cause.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

come on, man

pioli came from an organization that got busted cheating( new england patriots). yes, i believe this stuff is going on. you know what pioli’s regular season record is as GM in three seasons? 21-48. he’s failing

by michaelaglover on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 AM CST reply actions  

He inherited a 2-14 team.

They doubled the win total the next year, and it was up five fold the following year. This year they were only a game under .500 like most of us thought they would be.

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

How much did Pioli have to do with coaching and filming in New England?

The answer is nothing. He was head of player personnel, nothing more. Just because he was part of the team involved courant mean he had any direct confection with the actions in question.

Pretty sure Thomas Dmitroff came from the same place, and no one is talking about this in Atlanta, likely because they are winning in Atlanta

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 15, 2012 1:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Failing?

This Chiefs team is so much better than it was three years ago it’s not even funny. Much, much better product. The thing I can’t get over is how fast Pioli has been able to do it.

by Super Gnat on Jan 15, 2012 1:46 AM CST up reply actions  

typical chiefs fans

who don’t demand excellence but make excuses for mediocre play. maybe thats why this team hasn’t won a plaYOFF game since ’93

by michaelaglover on Jan 15, 2012 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

It's more like realistic expectations and giving credit where it is due.

A big hat tip from me for Scott Pioli. KC could do much worse.

by fishhooks on Jan 15, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I love people who think everything exists in a vacuum

In the 3 years prior to Pioli – 10 wins
In the 3 years since Pioli – 21 wins

No progress?

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like pioli got rid of the "but Carl let us" people

We needed a change from top to bottom. Haley & cassel were stop gaps from the beginning, but that’s a different monster. All the people that resigned or were let go probably needed to be. Non of us is able to see what the hell they’ve really been doing. And most people think they’re awesome at there job. With 20 yrs of mediocrity of the Peterson “dynasty” it was time for fresh ideas & core values. It’s why we went from 155 to 82 office staff. The doughnut boy & the coffee girl were fired to make room for someone smart enough to do both. The bobs from office space said it best, “so what would you say…you do hear?” this is a nonstory.

Tough times never last, but tough people do.

by MadMartigan816 on Jan 15, 2012 1:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I wonder if you could get recently released employees of any company together

And create a story of bad work environments, ruthless bosses, and conspiracies. Every company in the country would be on most blast for “felony charges”

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 15, 2012 2:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

It's the kind of sensationalistic crap we should be used to in KC.

This is why I’m so hard on Nick Wright. Uncritical people will just skim the story, see that the tone is one of dark deeds and big mean deceptive bosses, and uncritically jump on a guy who is probably somewhat harsh in his managerial techniques, but is doing a good job.

This is starting to worry me…

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 AM CST up reply actions  

No doubt.

“I wouldn’t be surprised if personal phones are tapped” somehow equates to felonies being committed? Just goes to show you, if people have enough hate in them, they can twist anything to feed that hatred.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 AM CST up reply actions  

True story.

That’s what she gets for not helping me across the street!

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 2:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Holy crap!

/dials 911

You think it's coincidence that I bleed red?

by Mully on Jan 15, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Worst thing about this kind of reporting

is people ignore that a good bit of this is founded on disgruntled former employees complaining about their boss. The biggest thing in the story is that Haley was paranoid, and that other people are too. Doesn’t seem to be any hard evidence of this. Mostly Babb extrapolating.

So now Nick Wright and others are going to get on the radio tomorrow and say how evil Hunt and Pioli are. Good grief.

I’ll say it again, I hope Pioli isn’t run out of town by our silly local media.

by bossmanham on Jan 15, 2012 2:12 AM CST reply actions  

They are trying to teach the front office a lesson

“If you don’t give us enough info that we want, we will make it up!”

I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.

by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 15, 2012 2:15 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

needs to happen

this kind of reporting needs to happen. the media are doing its job in asking questions. the media needs to hold these people’s feet to the fire especially in light of this organixations lack of winning last three years.

great job, babb.

by michaelaglover on Jan 15, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Nick Wright is pissed

that he has to wait until he goes on the air Monday to comment. Okay, I’m speculating that he’s pissed, but he did say he won’t comment until Monday, but he wants everyone to read the story.

It would be funny if they name the OC on Monday, before he goes on the air. :)

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 2:20 AM CST reply actions  

Give me a fucking break.
WDThomasReigns
@KaloPhoenix @getnickwright @kentbabb No, I am in serious mode now. Babb’s story makes me sick. If true, it’s 10 years federal. I’m pissed.

He’s pissed that Haley was paranoid, and some disgruntled employees said he might have had a good reason to be.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 2:25 AM CST reply actions  

Babb/Star should have waited for Monday's paper.

Would have gotten a lot more attention, and he could have went on all the talk shows before people realize there’s not much substance to it. Now by Monday talk radio, it will be old news.

by Tarkus on Jan 15, 2012 2:35 AM CST reply actions  

*In a Watergate voice.....*

“You won’t be hearing the last of this folks.”

It's Orton Time!

by super8 on Jan 15, 2012 8:25 AM CST reply actions  

Disinfecting the Carl Peterson era...

Start with these facts…Carl bloated the organization to 155 “non-football” employees and sold Clark on building an 85,000 square foot office buiding. The 155 explains the huge office complex. Does anyone know how it takes 85,000 feet to produce winning football?

NOTE: this building doesn’t include the indoor practice facility.

As for Clark, surely he observed the intricasies of Carls kingdom and it took some time (several years) to figure it out enough to dismantle it. It needed dismantleing…the organization had tipped over too much to promotion and buzz and not enough of a winning football environment.

As for Pioli, he may or may not be the answer. His drafting has been disappointing and somethings stiil not clear about he and Haley’s relationship but Pioli came out of NE where it was reported that the Kraft family had become “very close” to the Hunts and had highly recommended Scott to Clark. Does anyone here question the success of the Kraft family? Hadn’t he also been elected “Executive of the Year” a couple of times by his peers? Also note that of the 2 remaining employees mentioned, 2 Spani and Winston are FOOTBALL people not PR types.

The former employees? I’m sensitive to these folks to some degree (as I prepare my $10,000 check for my renewal today ) but when there are 50+ too many (NON_FOOTBALL) people lurking around protecting their turf what else was Pioli to do but execute an aggressive house cleaning? When 40% of your organization is bloated and insecure it’s easy to imagine the bs and paranoia that would permeate the building. Hopefully it didn’t take the GS Program for Clark to know this….it’s just human nature. My guess is that when the staff found out what a lean org NE was that turmoil soon followed.

Although everyting is not clear with the office changes, THE BIG MYSTERY is the Haley demise. This is football centric and what real football people are wondering about….the administartive turnover is mostly a media vehicle for the off season.

Haley was Pioli’s hot commodity that was A TOP PLAY CALLER coming in. He proved to be a MOTIVATOR who demanded committment/ production from many underachivers (BOWE, D. JOHNSON, DORSEY, CHARLES) and got it. He produced a PLAYOFF season. INJURIES tanked the early part of this season. WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?

I want FOOTBALL ANSWERS not front office rumors and innuendo. After 50 years as a ticket holder I WANT WINS and if Piloi can’t get it done he can go too.

since63

by since63 on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Agree

Haley was all football and he got the boot too.
He didn’t shave or clean up well, talked in circles to the media, and produced a winning team.

Out like the garbage, some will say not soon enough and then when Clark fires Pioli they will claim not soon enough too.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

His drafting has been disappointing

How do you figure?

Yes, his first year here was disappointing, but since then, he’s given us Berry, McCluster, Arenas, Asamoah, Moeaki, Lewis, and Houston, with chances Sheffield, Baldwin, Hudson, Bailey and Powe at the very least could become solid contributors.

by bh13 on Jan 15, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Tough times never last, but tough people do.

by MadMartigan816 on Jan 16, 2012 3:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Good to see

That once again the only thing Chiefs fans Arrowhead Pride likes about the Chiefs is the way the front office is run.

by NotAGoodName on Jan 15, 2012 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Ha Bullshit

Whatever you gotta tell people to make you save face from starting Tyler fucking Palko. This guys a joke.

by KCinIL on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM CST reply actions  

Until Orton arrived

This is just Haley trying to save some kinda face as to why it didn’t work out. It didn’t work out cuz he was a terrible offensive coach and put his ego before the team(you tellin me Orton couldn’t have started the Bears game, the dude could’ve came in the Steelers game and performed better than that joke) to prove some kinda point to the boss. This dude gets no sympathy, and these Whitlock/Nick Wright conspiracies are just hilarious.

by KCinIL on Jan 15, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

He was Scott's backup QB plan from Day one in 2011

Need I say that Orton was not available on opening day 2011….

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

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