Is Alabama Cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick An Option In Draft If Chiefs Let Carr Leave?
If the Chiefs already know that they won't be able to re-sign Carr in free agency, would they consider a guy like Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick in the first round if he's available?
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a year ago everybody wanted to upgrade carr now he is a fan favorite?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Same here
I think some people didnt like the fact he waited so long to sign his tender but other than not getting more picks(because he wouldnt turn his head around) I didnt have many complaints about his play. We could have signed him for $4-$5mil/yr last offseason but I cant blame them for using the RFA tender….
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I didn't like the RFA tender. It'd be NOTHING to pay the man his $4 or $5 million.
Now it’s likely to cost more. Seems like they just wanted to ride his rookie deal as long as possible and then not ante-up for a multi-year deal. Penny-wise and pound foolish.
would of ≠ would've
I agree, ive actually been one of the people saying this since last season
i hated the scenario and what could play out
this included flowers, hali.
4 guys, 1 tag
well now its 2 guys and 1 tag
it sucks
pay carr! or open another hole on a team that cant afford to lose talented proven starters in their prime
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Why
dont we just resign Carr and Bowe
Then we can draft an O-lineman instead of on a CB who we can already resign.
can you sign a O-lineman FA then draft a Cornerback?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Like who?
Carr already has great chemistry with Brandon Flowers and the rest of the defense.
Why mess up a formidable defense which played without one of its biggest playmakers in Eric Berry, and a great 4th lb to put together with Houston, Hali, and DJ in Siler.
why not stay with jovan at ILB then? seriously? if you can upgrade or make a move that will help the team by not overpaying you do it!
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Overpaying?
Carr is a great CB and is 6 3 which gives us a great defensive presence against tall wr in the league. We obviously arent staying with jovan because we extended siler.
Saying we should let Bowe go to draft floyd from ND is the same exact argument, and it obviously is not a smart move.
bowe is great but inconsistant and disappears in games, maybe we should bring that up?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
So
you would rather draft another young player because you know for sure they are going to be great in the NFL?
Bowe didnt have any QBs to throw him the ball. If Bowe had a QB with the talent of Rivers, he would be universally considered one of the best WR in the NFL.
I disagree, we all see the drops by bowe when they really matter.
cant blame that on the QB? dont get me wrong I really like bowe and want him to be a chief but cant agree to everything you say or we would have nothing to talk about.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
what if we can sign Nicks in FA to play LG then would you be willing to draft a WR to replace bowe or a CB to replace carr?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I wish
we could sign nicks too, but why not just resign both and draft a guard Decastro?
I think our team is better than what we think of them. Add in Jamaal Charles, the best RB in the NFL, Moeaki, Berry, and Siler to this team, and I think Chiefs will destroy the AFC west next year. Not to mention the holes in the OL/depth we could fix through the draft.
We wont do anything without a QB cassel is a bum and holding us back.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I wanted to demote Cassel after his first year and a half. I think Kyle Orton is good enough with our formidable defense and Charles coming back. The only reason Cassel had a 10-6 record was because of JC. Teams were stacking the line against him and he still beats them all in the box. Incredible…
why not sign nicks and not draft decastro? then sign bowe or carr. and draft the position you dont sign.
same scenario as you only difference is nicks is ready to go now, if you dont sign bowe and draft a WR maybe that WR doesnt have inconsistant issues like bowe, or if you draft a CB maybe that CB has more skill to be a legit #1 CB not a good #2 CB who wants paid #1 money.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Because
we already know Bowe and Carr are elite talents in the NFL. If we resign both of them, we keep our team intact and draft DeCastro who many analysts say is one of the surest thing in the draft. Our WR and CB corp are top 5 in the NFL talent wise, and have been together so why mess with a good thing? Our O-line on the other hand is iffy so why not just draft Decastro?
If we draft either a WR or CB, there is a huge chance those guys wont be as good as Bowe or Carr
I wouldnt call carr elite by no means same with bowe he is good but far from elite.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Then
Name 10 CB and WR who are better than them.
just off my head.
CB Peterson, revis, cromartie, flowers, bailey, rogers, samuels, nnamdi, rodgers-cromartie, and robinson. That was way to easy I could have went alot longer just off the head.
WR andre johnson, calvin johnson, fitz, nicks, roddy white, mike wallace, greg jennings, wayne, welker, bolden. that was off the top of the head also come on dude its not that hard.
dont fill me with stats either you got eyes we watch the game and see who is better than who.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Did you say
rodgers cromartie and robinson were better than Carr?
wow that was not smart.
Wayne and Andre Johnson? You rather have them than Bowe at this point? Johnson who gets injured every year and Wayne who is getting older and older?
Dont try to feed me “big names” because I actaully watch these games and btw samuels is not as good as carr either at this point.
Cromartie
also gives up alot of huge plays, and is much more inconsistent than Carr.
dude? I knew you was going to do this.
if there was no football tomarrow or ever again and age was not a factor tomarrow but today only yes all those guys are better than carr and bowe today, right now.
dont question my fan hood your typeing on a computer instead of watching san fran and saints so dont talk to me about watching games, put devery henderson on the chiefs and he puts up the same numbers as bowe. lol. the guy is good but nowhere near elite. elite doesnt not show up some days they show up everyday.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
To
say if football will never be played again when we talk about extending a player is moronic. Obviously you think of the future when you talk about whether we should retain players or not. Carr is going to be a better CB than Bailey next year.
We
are not talking about a pretend league in which injuries and age are non factors. Any GM in the league would rather have Bowe and Andre Johnson for the fact that AJ gets injured every year.
man its like talking to a girl talking to you
I knew when you asked to name better players you would go into this crap, oh this player is this age and wont be better soon bla bla bla, right now bailey is dominate compared to carr so STFU, then to question if I played football before cause I can name guys that are clearly better than average carr off my head is comical. now quit crying cause it was easier than you expected to name better players. now if we was to talk about the future players being better cause the age factor guess you gotta add in CB claiborne cause once he enters he is better than carr same with blackmon at WR and bowe.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Bowe
Was making Bailey look like a little girl before he got hurt in the last game. Bailey was getting turned around and was completely lost. He’s been a great player, but is definitely on the decline and Carr is on the rise. Would take Carr over Bailey right now and any time in the future.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
what did he do the game earlier in the year?
bailey is still the better player easily. charles woodsons old self is better than carr still.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I look at most recent events.
With a real NFL QB cough*Orton*cough, Bowe made Champ look silly.
charles woodsons old self is better than carr still.
What are you talking about, I’m not going to respond to every random, irrelevant thought that pops in your head.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions
irrelevant?
really? uh earth to you we was talking about bailey not being better than carr cause his age, well woodson is older and also better than carr, age doesnt automatically make you worse bailey still has more talent than carr even at his age.
imagine what bowe would have done to carr with orton in that game now that would have been ugly. carr is not a top 10 corner and bowe is not a top 10 WR. top 12 yes but not top 10 sorry.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Bad list tbh
TYou can’t name 10 WR better than Bowe, because he is a top 10 WR.
You got, Fitz, Megatron, Andre, Nicks, Welker (although Bowe would put up way bigger numbers in his system), Greg Jennings and that’s about it. After that every WR is about equal to or worse than D Bowe.
For CB’s I can name plenty better than Carr. Revis, Nnamdi, Woodson, Rogers, Taylor, Gamble, Finnegan, Bailey, Flowers, Peterson, Joseph, Haden, Grimes, Routt, Goodman, Leon hall, Tramon, Webster, Thomas, Tillman. There’s 20 right there an I’m sure I missed a few.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Like which drop?
Can you name a drop he had this year when it really mattered?
Do you really think we are going to get our hands on a better receiver than Bowe in the next decade?
If Bowe does leave, people will see what he can do with a competent QB. He’s going to be a force.
He dropped the ball in the endzone against oakland didnt he?
against indi last year he dropped the ball in the end zone thats just off my head.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
I remember
the one against Indy, but I believe he has been improving year in and year out. I honestly dont remember any big drops for him, and I feel the ones recorded as “drops” are due to passes behind him or off in some way thrown by our great QBs
Actually if you put that play on slow-mo
you will see that the Oakland defender has his arm wrapped around Bowes. The fact that Bowe kept his arm close to his body and almost caught it shows how strong he is. It would have been a great one-hander.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
what? no way bowe just screwed up, the oakland game last year we could have won also if not for bowe dropping that first down easy pass.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Im pretty
sure our losses big picture were lost by Cassel, and not by bowe
no bowe lost that oakland game, good pass for once for a first down and he dropped it, we gave up the ball they ended up winning when we could have ran out the clock.
bowe cost us that game, remember the game where we got a first they gave us a 3rd down.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Your list
was crap. Bowe is the man and is easily a top 10 WR in the league. You cannot evaluate talent. For every drop bowe has had, he has made 10 great catches.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions
your post is crap. how is bowe better than those studs?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
He's top 10 in the NFL.
It’s no contest. Make a survey and show me differently. You will have few that support your opinion. Maybe your just smarter than everyone else.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
sorry he is not top 10 cause he had one good year with 15 touchdowns cause there was nobody else to throw to.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
im pretty sure PFF has him ranked at #12 though?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
even they say he is just to inconsistant and doesnt show up from game to game.
inconsistant is not a word that goes with elite or stud, good at times is more like it for bowe.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
HES HAD 1 ALL SEASON HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Can we please stop the blasephemy. He dropped one significant pass all season and you guys act like he’s the scum of the earth. He took the game over on the last two drives that should’ve won the game. He made the plays when it truly mattered. HOW ABOUT BLAMING WHOEVER LET SEYMOUR BLOCK TWO FIELD GOALS????
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the previous season, even leading in td's, he had some major drops that lost football games.
the argument is moreso whether or not hes a top 5 money wr….thats tough to say, its a bit like stevie johnson, hes put up some nice numbers for buffalo, but drops some big ones as well. both will be paid well, bowe will get more as he should, but….is he a top 5 wr?
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
He doesnt deserve top 5 money
Hes not better than AJ, Fitz, Nicks, Megatron, or Jennings. But hes a top 7 or 8 WR and deserves top 7 or 8 money. People saying he isnt a top 10 WR is ridiculous to me.
Carr is only 6 ft tall. Wish he was 6'3" though.
by chiefFANatic on Jan 14, 2012 5:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
THIS
80% of the Chiefs Touchdowns given up were to Wide Outs over 6’3. We have D. Thomas, Heyward-Bey, and Vincent Jackson 2x a year. We also have Kellen Winsolow, Julio Jones, and Jimmy Graham / Marquees Colston next year.
Carr is fine, but I wouldn’t value him over someone who could reduce TDs. I also don’t see Carr ever becoming a ball-hawk Corner. In terms of value Kirkpatrick has the most.
one would think that is the logical route
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
I will take Kirkpatrick over carr!
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions
Question is would you take
Carr and Martin(or fill in draft pick) over Kirkpatrick?
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
The Question is....
Is a Middle First Round RIGHT Tackle worth that much?
I like Martin, but I’d rather try to get a tackle in the 2nd (Zebrie Sanders).
That was the point
It wasnt about taking Martin it was about signing our own guy and still being able to draft another position of need.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
I'd draft Trent Richardson if he is there.
Nobody knows what JC is going to have. And we all know KC is going to run the ball.
Jenoris Jenkins in the 2nd...
If we can’t keep Carr…
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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by SFLChief on Jan 14, 2012 3:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Our D
is already a good possibility to be at a top 5 defense next year with Eric Berry and Siler coming back.
We should not yield important pieces to a basically completed puzzle in the secondary. Concentrating on our needs in the draft, and keeping the players who have played well in the system especially when we have plenty of money to do so is smart.
do we have pleny of money though?
how much does our players currently get? has anyone truly looked into what we are paying out right now and seen if we can sign carr so easily? seeing what flowers got I dont think you can tie that much money into carr and flowers?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
we have plenty of money, hopefully this is why we havent been spending money in free agency the last few years.
Do you know where I can find our players salaries I will go do the work and come back?
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
If you want to look at each person you can go to rotoworld for contract details
I do know Cassel’s cap hit drops over $7mil next year.
What a year! At least we have the Royals... Oh Wait!
YUP! If Carr does indeed split?
I’d rather have Claiborne though if he’s still available at #11 or 12; that guy just flies all over the field. I kinda have a feeling Carr will split if he gets a higher offer from another team. The Pats have drafted quite a few 1st round CB’s and one or two safeties over the years. The feeling is growing on me that Pioli will go CB in the 1st if Carr leaves … or maybe the 2nd if the right guy is still there?
I like Kirkpatrick’s height and physicality in the run game, but he seems to be best at being a pure cover corner. Sooo … Kirkpatrick might not the best fit to play the matchup zone that Crennel has absolutely loved scheming at least since his Pats days – if not even earlier?
I like Dennard too for his press man, zone, smarts and run-stopping abilities; he kinda reminds me of a bigger Flowers. I could put in a good word for Janoris Jenkins here, as well. But he seems to like (or has liked in the past) the ganja a little too much; he’d make a good Bengal. But Jenkins has the talent and skills for that high a pick, and to run Crennel’s schemes … well maybe? (you gotta be purty smart to get Romeos coverages down pat, too)
Ehh … I’m kinda iffy on taking Kirkpatrick since he doesn’t seem to be ideal for Crennel’s matchup zone schemes. I think Claiborne, Dennard – and maybe even Minnifield – would better scheme fits. But the question is – do any of these above mentioned guys merit a 11th or 12th pick? Hmm …
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Kirkpatrick is at his best in zone
Don’t really know what you’re talking about…
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 14, 2012 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we don't want him then at least tag & trade
don’t let a 25 yr old walk free. Get somethin for him. I think Bowe would actually be more expensive to extend. I personally would extend Carr & franchise/trade Bowe. Say ….. to Philly for both of their 2nds. Don’t think DeSean Jackson wants to come back it sounds like. Or even NE. They have 2 1sts & 2 2nds. Both of those teams r in need of a WR
The Patriots will not trade for a reciever and pay him
if history is an indicator. They go for the recievers they can get for cheap.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
franchise bowe let carr walk,
pick up key FA’s at whatever price it takes, and draft best player available. simple as that…
by elementary my dear watson on Jan 14, 2012 4:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Let
him walk? why not just sign him instead of the nameless “key FA” we need to sign?
cause he isnt that good. and there are tons of quality FA at multiple positions. Poili's gotta pull the trigger.
by elementary my dear watson on Jan 14, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He isnt that good?
name me 10 CB who are better than Carr
thats right i said it... for the type of contract he wants he isnt that good...
cmon on people, think before you react to a comment.
by elementary my dear watson on Jan 14, 2012 5:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
oh, by the way everyone in the pro bowl is better than Carr, plus the other corner on our team is better than him. that makes 7 I can easily come up with 3 more corners. you do the research… I don’t have the time to.
by elementary my dear watson on Jan 14, 2012 5:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
unfortunately true. carr is not really a top 10 corner, and shouldnt be paid flowers money.
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
I don't think either r vlauable
As long as u have a strong front 7 then it makes the secondary look better
We may get a 2nd
We won’t get anymore. Just look at all the random recievers that did big things this year. It seems as if recievers are growing on trees as of late. The draft is cheaper and not much of a difference in production.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
"Let Carr leave"?
I’ve seen this alot in the questions surrounding Carr so far. The fact is it has nothing to do with the Chiefs letting Carr leave because it’s entirely in Carrs court. If he leaves then he chose to leave, no one “let” him.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
well technically the Chiefs 'could' do whatever it takes to keep him....more $$$$
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This.
It’s not as simple as just re-signing them. And I think both these guys want to go where the money is, which is what’s concerning.
by bamachief5558 on Jan 14, 2012 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
so we let carr walk and use our pick on this guy
OR…
We could keep Carr and address another area. Why let good free agents walk? It’s easier to sign a free agent who is already on our team than to sign a free agent from elsewhere or hope a draft prospect falls to us.
or how about we pass up the CB position in the first.
Then address our biggest problem… the offensive line with our 1st pick.
Go Chiefs!!!!
Offensive line
I believe that a great offensive line makes the running back and quarterback much better. I want to take an offensive tackle or Decastro with the first and continue to build our o-line. Better to re-sign Carr who has worked with Romeo and knows what is expected of him on this defense which could be great with Berry back. Franchise or sign Bowe and our offense should be a lot better next year.
by Trey85 on Jan 14, 2012 6:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sorry, but this is a stupid idea
Let me see, we have a good starting corner, and we might let him leave, so we can burn a high first round draft choice on his replacement. Then, we can start on our desperate needs, like offensive line, with our second round pick? And the reason we would allow this to happen is…..money? We have plenty of money. We saved a lot of money this year. Get our core players signed up. We will never win a Super Bowl playing Fantasy Football with our players.
Somebody remind this guy that he can’t go to Gates late at night for a slab in any other city in the country.
Its getting funny that so many people on here are talking like the team can make Carr re-sign
Its Carr’s decision, unless we want to franchise him, which I guess I’m good with, as long as we do re-sign Bowe. If we can’t sign either, I rather franchise Bowe
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 14, 2012 7:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I dont want him if he wants top #1 corner money. he should be around the 28th-35th highest paid corner type money.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 14, 2012 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think you pay him more than 25-35 because of how he fits, and how he is off the field(not a problem etc)
hes a fit on this team.
id be happy with 5-40 and X signing bonus
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
if he wants flowers money, then he is already gone
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Video evidence is somewhere...if you have the stats in front of you and the clips please post them
Why don’t we compare how many times Flowers got toasted for TDs this season vs Carr this season, and then ask ourselves how much we just signed Flowers for…
thats the one issue
if hes asking reasonable money, they better pay him, because i think then you dont fix the obvious o-line issues because who knows how the next rounds shake out maybe some te falls to us and we have to go there instead of oline in rd 2 or something
id rather not open another issue on this team, the secondary is a strong point, and yeah with berry that may offset a loss of carr, but i dont really want to test that theory unless hes asking flowers money
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Grimes, Finnegan, Terrell Thomas>Carr
I’d rather sign someone better than him than draft someone who could, be better than him
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 15, 2012 10:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
carr over finnigan for who he is alone.
grimes is a good corner,
thomas is overrated and gets a lot of help from the pressure of the giants D, something carr does not get
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Why not
Just draft the best player available, unless we have a star at that position already? Where do we have stars that don’t need help? Nowhere on offense. Maybe SS, and OLB? Just take the best player and we’ll get him on the field. He’ll make everyone around him better in the process.
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