Interesting Chiefs Draft News for Jan 13

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:10 PM CST

Who is this guy?

But Wait, we got some other topics first.

Reiff vs Kalil

Overall, Kalil will be a high pick. Because he has a tendency to play tall, I would want to work him out to see just how good his lower body flexibility is. Though there are lesser athletes playing left tackle in the NFL, his best position may be on the right side where he could become a dominant player. If I had to choose today without the knowledge of the combine, medical exams and a workout I would choose Reiff over Kalil. Reiff may not be as nasty but he is a better athlete with a stronger and more consistent overall game. Both will become excellent NFL players and start early in their careers.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Reiff-and-Kalil-headline-drafts-offensive-tackle-class.html

So the overall 2nd or 3rd player drafted in 2012 might be a RT?

The Best TE for the Chiefs? Who knows but IF these two were Scott's Object of Desire in 2012?

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson

Possesses a slightly above-average get off for his size when lined-up with his hand on the ground. However, doesn't do a great job avoiding contact. Allows himself to get upright and isn't overly shifty when trying to avoid a bump. Also, has a tough time as a route runner with defenders who want to get physical with him. Doesn't use his hands well to be physical and leave a defender before getting out of his breaks. Either extends his arms and is called for pass interference or allows a defender to be draped all over him. Looks more explosive off the line when split out, showcasing the body control, foot quickness and fluidity to snap out of his breaks on sharply breaking routes and create separation. Builds speed as he goes down the field. Isn't a burner, looks like a 4.75 guy, but sells his routes well and looks natural with his first step burst to the post. Snaps his head around quickly and knows how to find the football. Extends his arms well down the field and can pluck off his frame. Possesses good hands, but will get caught being forced to double catch at times.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Where-does-Clemson-TE-Dwayne-Allen-rank-in-the-tight-end-class.html

Coby Fleener TE Stanford

Isn't used a ton as an in-line guy in the run game. More of a motion/move tight end who looks natural in space pulling into the second level and hitting a moving target. Doesn't do a great job breaking down however, gets a bit overextend at times into blocks, but can reach defenders off his frame. Has the ability to gain leverage in the run game, but just lacks the great strength in his lower half at this stage to routinely get a push. However, his strength should improve with time. Displays natural balance in pass protection on the rare occasions they do keep him in and can hold his own reaching the corner and anchoring initially with some consistency on the edge when helping with the double

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37072

I was suprised, I expected Allen to be the premiere TE in the 2012 draft.

Surprise, an LSU player shows up on the Chiefs draft board :)

Michael Brockers DT/DE LSU

Pass rush: Generates a good bull rush using his powerful legs and has the quickness to be used to get outside on twists. Does a nice job of playing to the outside allowing the defensive end to get wide around the edge. Has shown an advanced knowledge of how to use to his frame to get skinny and work through the gap. Would be able to make his most immediate impact as a five technique on a three-man front.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/12/2702930/michael-brockers-nfl-draft-scouting-report

So, everyone in the pool!

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hmmmmmmmmmm need to research Brockers :-)

good schtuffs as always, Steve!

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by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST reply actions

Thanks Ups

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by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

d lineman from LSU

we should trade up to 3rd overall to take him!

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by reedeasy on Jan 13, 2012 5:20 PM CST reply actions

Ha :)

No need, but he jumped right in the middle of the 1st round as no one expected him to declare for the 2012 draft.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions

deja vu all over again

d lineman from LSU

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions

Chiefs' farm team?

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by LadyChief on Jan 13, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions

almost

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions

can play NT too

in rotation

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions

no more I tend to see a lack of work ethic at LSU

by tomachop on Jan 15, 2012 1:30 AM CST up reply actions

no 4th

3rd, 4th, and 5th overall picks completing an LSU wall D-line

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe if we let them have Yellow Helmets

and a Chiefs Logo

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions

red and purple unis?

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions

ewe, that would suck

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions

I'd trade Dorsey straight up for Brockers

by Chiefs_KC on Jan 13, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions

We don't have too and who would we trade with?

LSU :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions

YESH!

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions

A 4-3 team that wants Dorsey when he' still on the draft board

A 6’6" 306 lb de sounds better than a 5’11" 306 lb de in a 3-4

by Chiefs_KC on Jan 13, 2012 9:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions

I think Dorsey is a little bit taller than that

But if we can get good value on a trade, Why not

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions

I think Brockers may rise like Aldon Smith last year ... depends on combines

I doubt Brockers will test out to run a 4.7 40, but he is big and powerful. Two needs of K.C. Most agree with: 1) a push from the o-line with some new talent at G, and RT has to improve pass protection and run blocking consistency 2) On defense, especially in the base package we really need a push from somewhere on the d-line to rush the passer. Sure we can put in Gilberry and Bailey, but we need a do it all player who can be in there consistently. As far as trading Dorsey, with one year left on his contract I don’t see anyone giving above a 5th rounder for him. (Aaron Curry was traded for a fifth and he’s one year younger.). Dorsey’s also a pretty darn good run defender most of the time, and if we got a guy who can rush the passer but let’s people push us out for 7 yards a pop on running plays I don’t want that. Richard Seymour at Georgia had 2 sacks the year he was drafted and Brockers seems a lot like him, one thing at having a shot at him is he’s coming out as a RS-Soph — if he were to go back, he might be a top 5 (or not, that’s the gamble). I guess it’s going to come down to do we have Reiff, Martin, Brockers, DeCastro, Konz rated as the best player we can get for our pick, or some other wildcard. I can’t see Pioli breaking the bank and setting precedent salary wise to go for Carl Nicks.

by Dawson to Taylor on Jan 14, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions

Yup. And I think Decastro and Konz are more dominant at their positions than either Martin or Reiff.

I’d be very surprised to see Pioli break the bank at G, when he’s been so low-budget to this point. But, for ONCE, he seems to be on record as saying that OL is a priority for this year. So who knows?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 14, 2012 10:52 PM CST up reply actions

Ha

I’m disappointed in the news about Dwayne Allen, but we need a TE that can both block and catch. Dunno what route to take here other than possibly look to Jacob Tamme from Indy…nice post Steve. Reiff over Kalil? That’s pretty shocking. I’d love to have Kalil personally. But DeCastro is such a solid choice…tough one to make if they somehow where both available when we pick.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Jan 13, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions

what up with Allen? I haven't heard ...

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 6:03 PM CST up reply actions

less of the all around TE

more of a WR type, and there are a ton of those guys in this draft

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions

oh, gotcha

yah, we need someone who can help block, at least on occasion

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 6:24 PM CST up reply actions

Allen's a way better all around blocker than Fleener

I’ve watched 4 games of Clemson this year, and many more of Stanford. Both guys give effort, but Fleener is often split out wide a bit more often. Every blocker gets beat once in a while, and while Dwayne Allen not up there with predominant role blockers (ie Alabama TE Williams) he definitely is a decent blocker, and can handle the in line assignments better than Fleener in my opinion. Fleener probably has better hands and more value as a receiving role TE who is 6-6 and 240.

by Dawson to Taylor on Jan 13, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions

Tamme is interesting, is his blocking decent?

Family Xmas/birthday deal today, if the community center has wireless I might be looking that up.

I’d really like to see KC land a blocker with sweet hands (Martellus Bennett!)…and recreate several of the old, Coryell-based, two TE sets we ran often in the early 00’s. Marty B could be a new age Jason Dunn…

If Tamme can block a little, I could see us using a double tight as our main set, and hopefully re-upping McClain as an occasional FB/change-of-pace back. Wouldn’t that be beastly?

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by go_saleaumua on Jan 14, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions

I'm still looking for Chief's draft news, not just more speculation on players. I thought there would

be some real news. Oh well, maybe the title should be more draft speculation on another bloggers opinions. What is interesting is the complex dynamic of we don’t know who is better playing tackle, let alone which side and we need a RT. To bad the best OT, imo, is slipping down list of prospects for reasons I haven’t discovered as of yet. Nice find Stevo, should fuel the debates for awhile.

by dubld on Jan 13, 2012 6:18 PM CST reply actions

Sorry for the misleading title DoubledD

I thought it was less about Names as it was about positions we are going to be looking at.
Some evaluators with a different take seemed interesting to me and I wanted to maybe present it weekly if it is interesting to yall too :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions

I thought you found a Pioli quote or something like it. This is a fun time a year for us fans.

You remember last year when it came out that Kiper was doing favors for touting a particular player. We will see a never ending rise and fall in the drat boards until the combine, and a few after that. But keep the stuff coming, it helps break the monotony of winter without the Chiefs in the hunt for a ring and a trophy.

by dubld on Jan 13, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions

we won't have much real news til the combine, and not much even then ... Free Agency and the Draft

plus our own guys to sign … sooner rather than later would be nice

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 6:25 PM CST up reply actions

Another interesting take was Chiefs_Jon who is also Jonathan Hakes Mock draft

on www.mockingthedraft.com who has us taking Peter Konz Center Wisconsin after a trade down. Very plausible

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:26 PM CST reply actions

I was wrong sorta Jonathan Hake

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/12/2701683/2-round-mock-draft

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions

We're not drafting a center

in Round 1. Pioli said after drafting Hudson last year in the 2nd he’s tabbed for the center position. He’s too small to play Guard, therefore I view it as highly unlikely we’d take Konz

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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 13, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions

I don't think he's too small to play guard...Lilja is at least 10lbs under Hudson

maybe not ideal weight, but not too small.

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 13, 2012 10:07 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, but I'd sttill prefer DeCastro at OG and Hudson at C

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions

yeah, of course

Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things

by jmcgoblue on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 PM CST up reply actions

Tyler Wilson returns to Arkansas

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/13/2704941/return-of-tyler-wilson-bolsters-2013-nfl-draft-qb-class

So 2013 might be a great QB class and deep too

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:39 PM CST reply actions

You know Steve, I was thinking of a curveball myself when it comes to this draft...

‘cause everybody is screaming QB, OL, or RB. Knowing the way Pioli loves the team captains and how he goes extremely unconventional with his draft picks, I wouldn’t be surprised if he went defense either. Except I was thinking more of Alabama’s Dont’a Hightower as the pick (defensive team captain, ILB in a 3-4 scheme, run stopper, hard hitter) than Brockers.

Of course, living down here in Louisiana, I get my fill of Tiger talk and I know all about Brockers, I just get scared of the whole Dorsey, TJax comparisons. Brockers is a very good player though. The guy wreaks havoc in the backfield. He just looks more to me like a 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DE.

Now, you want to see somebody come out of LSU that has some big play potential, wait for next year of the year after when Barkevious Mingo declares. This guy is the pass rushing 3-4 OLB we’ve all been waiting for. He’s a phenom.

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by J_r0kk on Jan 13, 2012 6:53 PM CST up reply actions

We need a stout GROUP of defensive lineman

Romeo has some ideosynchrocies on how he does it. I hope Brockers falls into the 2nd round but we do need 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT and 3-4 NT help. at 6’6 and 300 lbs he would strictly be rotational till he gets those Grown man Lbs on him. as a redshirt Soph how old is this guy? 21 years old or so and we can keep him for a long time.

Just spit-balling possibilities for everyone to think about.

Thanks for the insider skinny!

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions

Joel and Chris are slacking...................I needed a place to post this

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by LadyChief on Jan 13, 2012 6:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

Bacon!

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 6:56 PM CST up reply actions

that pig is too cute to eat ...

… well, all at once, anyway ;-)

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions

how bout the Baby :)

with Collard Greens and Red Beans

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions

so far

Andrew Luck
Matt Kalil
Robert Griffin III
Peter Konz
David DeCastro
Riley Reiff
Justin Blackmon
Dre Kirkpatrick
Morris Claiborne
Trent Richardson

We can have any that slide and anyone we favor instead

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:01 PM CST reply actions

I just have this feeling

they’re letting Carr test the market and drafting his replacement (Kirkpatrick). Heard it here first.

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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 13, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions

Cheaper than Carr, but we could get both?

Impression: Will be an ideal zone corner at the next level because of his size, instincts and physicality. However, he can also press off the line and consistently re-route receivers. Isn’t a dynamic quick-twitch athlete, but showcases good balance, can keep his feet under him and looks like a “plus” caliber starting cornerback in the NFL. Reminds me some of Chargers cornerback Quinton Jammer physically.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=40798

He definitely fits Romeo scheme more than Alfonso Dennard

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:14 PM CST up reply actions

Positively

we won’t get both. We won’t lock up Carr long term, as we have Flowers, and then draft another corner in the 1st round

#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions

150 Million dollars is a lot of Cash

from where we sit now

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions

I would love Some Chiefs Dominance at some position Group

If we don’t allow teams to Pass the Ball?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions

or two groups

or three

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions

well of course

but if we don’t allow teams to pass?

they can’t win

sorta Mills-ish

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions

I'd let 'em pass, but always a hurried pass, preferably blind.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions

I've seen a few mocks with us taking DE Devon Still

of course these are all Mocks from Mocking the Draft…but who knows? Our last Penn St DE turned out pretty good. Plus it gives us the option of finding a trading partner for Dorsey…its a thought. Still prefer OL help though.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Jan 22, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions

Yeppers.

But it depends on

whether or not KC can/wants-to trade out of that #11 spot and
who slips to wherever they’re picking in the first.

Funny how the one DE became an OLB and this latest one is a DT who would play DE. Sad to see Joe Pa gone, but a joy that he was master of his own affairs into his 80s. Not everyone gets that privilege.

Anyhoo, if the Chiefs stay at #11 AND Devon Still is still there, it’s hard to see who would be more deserving of that #11 pick than Still.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 22, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions

Especially if

DeCastro is off the board. And I don’t think that’s out of the question.

Really interested in some FA news and seeing how those moves pertain to our draft needs.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Jan 22, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

Jon. Martin from Stanford?

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by BJ Kissel on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions

I wouldn't put him in my top-10

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions

Haven't seen anyone put him above Reiff

Quite a few have been down on him since they played Ok State.

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by BJ Kissel on Jan 13, 2012 9:48 PM CST up reply actions

Making me think of Zulu Tactics

Hali and Houston are the horns

Jackson and Dorsey and the NT are the Head

and our secondary/ILB’s would not allow any one out alive

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 8:25 PM CST reply actions

wrecked

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 13, 2012 10:48 PM CST reply actions

Thanks Mills :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions

By doing this then we're saying we've given up on Dorsey and he needs to be shipped out of town for whatever we can get.

I imagine a team like Atlanta or Indy would be willing to give up a midrounder for him.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 14, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions

We would have right up to the trade deadline to make that move

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions

We need a Slot WR too

“Area scouts and sources” tell SI’s Tony Pauline that “a lot of teams” have Baylor’s Kendall Wright rated as the No. 1 wide receiver in the 2012 NFL draft.
Pauline reports that “several teams,” including one NFC playoff club, have Wright rated higher than Oklahoma State’s Justin Blackmon. Blackmon is a favorite of media draftniks, but he is likely to run in the 4.5s at 6-foot-1 and has a checkered off-field history. Wright is three inches smaller, but will likely time in the low-4.3s and has drawn comparisons to Carolina’s Steve Smith for his combo of vertical skills and physicality in traffic. With the Senior Bowl just over a week away, Wright may be a sleeper to be drafted in the top ten.

from rotoworld

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:05 PM CST reply actions

Jeff Demps

Florida’s Jeff Demps has decided to drop football in favor of pursuing his Olympic dreams in track and field.
Demps, who has started training with Florida’s track team, will not partake of any college all-star games, NFL workouts, etc. He will spend all his athletic energy attempting to secure a spot with the U.S. Track & Field team. Demps was slowed by an ankle injury this season and finished with 991 all-purpose yards and 7 touchdowns to give him 3,553 yards and 25 TDs for his career.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 7:23 PM CST reply actions

everyones thinking it, but nobodys sayin it

i think the best move we can do is trade up possibly with MIN or STL and get RG3…our biggest need to address is scoring.30th or 31st i believe..mainly because we could deliver in the red zone. RG3 will help our rushing game and Oline with his mobility not to mention the three B’s (bowe, breaston, baldwin) with his cannon of an arm…..RG3 to KC!!!

by Twilson38 on Jan 14, 2012 8:56 PM CST reply actions

We all mostly agree

cept that Bald Dude over at One Arrowhead :)

If he fixes everything in Free Agency, he might have nothing better to do with the 2012 draft

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions

Working on a list :)

Centers

Chris Myers Houston 6’5 300 – 7th year
Todd McClure Atlanta 6’1 286 – 13th year
Samson Satele
Nick Hardwick
Will Montgomery Atlanta

Guards

Carl Nicks

Tackles

Stephon Heyer Oakland 6’6 320 RT/LG – 5th year
Jared Gaither
Demetrius Bell

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 9:18 PM CST reply actions

obviously incomplete and wrong at the moment

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions

Myers is a good one if they can get him.

You don’t like Grubbs? System fit?

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 14, 2012 10:56 PM CST up reply actions

incomplete :)

I hadn’t even thought systems yet

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 14, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions

hmmm

With the talk of Fixing the Oline and if to draft a Guard or Tackle … if the Chiefs think that Mims maybe ready then I would think we go with a Guard in the Draft. if Mims needs more time or is found not to be the answer at Tackle then maybe buy some time with a FA tackle… what do you think ?

Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!

by Battle AXE on Jan 15, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions