Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Full Coverage of 2012 Coke 600

A grain of salt

OR, a pause and count to ten. This is a atypical draft post. Indeed, nothing to do with players, but a shot in the dark about what I think clubs use when evaluating players. After watching every draft that has aired by ESPN, somethings never change. In particular is Value/Draft Position. We have heard all the pundits speak all about how one player , how he is so valuable and is likely to be in the pro-bowl and almost certainly a HOF talent. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.

But what of the teams who will have to sign these guys and train them in the NFL way? Do you believe they say things like," this one is a sure bet to get to Canton!". Or, "if we draft this guy he is a sure fire pro-bowler the next decade." Somehow I think not. What I believe but don't know is that all these teams are looking for players who can PLAY. Guys who will help the team win.

They have grading systems and scouts who are looking for specific traits as dictated by the teams management. They have the Combine with all the mental, physical, medical and social evaluations that try to ensure the guy they choose can come to their team and compete for playing time. It's both ART and SCIENCE. It wasn't to long ago that there wasn't much to some teams evaluation process and they relied on a service to which they subscribed. That has changed dramatically, but still it is a crapshoot when drafting players. Some make and some don't.

One of the reasons Pioli was hired was he was in on the ground floor, so to speak, of N.E.'s system of processing talent. If you take a gander at the HOF, you will see a great many players who were not highly drafted, if drafted at all. What's this say about value? As fans we get all hot and bothered with players who get chosen by our teams and place expectations on them. And to be honest the teams PR machine helps this along. But the teams just want guys who can play, and the expectations of early picks is that they will play well faster than others.

Take Dorsey as an example. He was touted as the best Defensive Lineman since Reggie White, much like Suh was. What has Dorsey done to since being drafted? He has PLAYED! Not to HOF standards, but well enough to start. Hells Bells he hasn't even been to the pro-bowl yet. Nonetheless, he has made a place for himself on this team and is quite valuable, not easily replaced. He was a top 5 pick people, and then you look at a guy who was undrafted that has made several pro-bowls, Jeff Saturday. So do you whine, piss and moan about how lousy Dorsey is or be thankful we have a player who plays well enough to be thought highly of by his team.

So when we tout guys like Luck and RG#, or DeCastro, take it with a grain of salt, please. They are all unknown quantities in the NFL. Let's not give out the Oscar's before the performance. When Marty was here, we had better talent than in a long time. Now with Scott here, we have better talent than a long time. Has every pick panned out, of course not. But we have better starter's than we used to. So relax a little, take a chill pill, or drink some kool aid. All of us fans want instant HOF picks, at least a pro bowler with the first round, but that isn't the usual dynamic. What the team is doing is trying to find guys who can PLAY. Remember it's a team sport. Go Chief's!!!!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

Comment 12 comments  |  5 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

this bears repeating ... several times :-) good stuff, dubld!
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport
Remember it’s a team sport

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Not if you have an Elite QB :)

SO Matt Cassel is a steal since he was a late round pick that can play QB?

or

Matt Cassel is a QB because the GM is going to make him a QB no matter what?

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

One of trhe things I forgot was Pioli saying, several times, something along these lines.

We want big, strong, athletic, good football players. The emphasis on football players instead of talented guys who played football.

by dubld on Jan 13, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we have some talent in our good football players?

Andy Studebaker and Jovan Belcher are good NFL players.

Clay Mathews and Derrick Johnson are good and talented football players.

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Dorsey's a bad analogy

You know, I know, he knows – if he was in a 4-3 scheme he’d be putting up sexier numbers

#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man

by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 13, 2012 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Correct me if I am wrong but

isnt a 3-4 DE’s job to eat up blockers for thr LBs? He is not there to have crazy 4-3 DT numbers if I am not mistaken. Every position cannot turn crazy numbers.

I was going to apologize for getting off topic here but I am not sorry. I think Dorsey is doing a great job. Would I like to see the numbers we expect our of a 4-3 DT sure but he is a 3-4 DE. he should be this, he would be better in that is all fine and good but he is a 3-4 DE in KC’s system and doing just fine. There was a post earlier today somewhere that talked about this very thing with Dorsey and the running game. Just cause they are not flashy does not mean players are worthless.

**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**

by BDCinSA on Jan 13, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

MNchiefsfan did a MAJOR post on Dorsey & Bailey not long ago

bottom line is Dorsey’s doing “ok” but not great … not drawing many double teams, and no pressure at all on QB, although he is good vs run

he’s doing alright, but not great … 5 or 6 on a scale of 10

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 13, 2012 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Good post & rec'd!

Thanks for the grain of salt.

Since I’m not nearly as familiar with college players as most of the guys on here (I don’t follow college ball), I have to research names when I see them. One thing that stands out to me is there are so many comments about players at the same position and every player commented on is “the best” at his position and will be a sure-bet HOF’r. How can that be? It can’t. Certainly some look really good, but none are a sure bet.

I’m just ready for Chiefs news and the roulette wheel that is the next season. Go Chiefs!

I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...

by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 4:55 PM CST reply actions  

Ha

this is the Chiefs news this time of year :)

by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Grain of salt is right...

I can sit here and say what I’d do with a big ,fat , lottery check; but, once I cash it, all bets are off. Sure, I’d keep my day job..pffft.

by 12t on Jan 13, 2012 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to SB Nation's Kansas City Chiefs blog! Follow us on Facebook and on Twitter.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Small
Chiefs OTA's: Some Real Football News
Dscn3246_3_small
Worst Case Scenario
Lips-rhps_small
Translating Coachspeak (Humor & Satire)

Recent FanPosts

Supernova1007_small
What Does it Take?
Ford-mustang-gt-2011-wallpaper-02_small
Hope
New_kc_helm_small
Scott Pioli: Genuine Mastermind Part 1 - Quarterbacks
Dirtyhippy_small
The Epic Battle of Pittsburgh(Game 9 preview)
Spit_small
A Unique Look At Elite QB's and Ricky Stanzi
309look_small
Cassel, can the chiefs get a ring on his back?
Small
Trade McCluster...
Supernova1007_small
A New 3-4 team in the NFL
Supernova1007_small
Fashionistas

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Ct_fb_small Chris Thorman

Headshot_small Joel Thorman

Editors

288-chiefstexans0944_sp_8-15-09_jfs woodman212

Matt_ssv_pic_small_small Matt Conner

Stag_20silhouette_small stagdsp

Lips-rhps_small upamtn

Contributors

Kc_ny_small NJ Chiefs Fan

Phoenix_by_melen_small KaloPhoenix

N1358340181_30185582_5800_small Flowers24

Small Jon Yoon

Dirkness_small HisDirkness

Dscn3246_3_small MNchiefsfan

Cassel_small Steve_in_RI