5 reasons Chiefs should draft Trent Richardson
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Forget Trent Richardson, Reif is the pick, slide Albert to LG and get a right tackle in FA. Anyone will be able run with that offensive line!!!! Meat and Potatoes baby!!!
We have been hearing this since we drafted the guy...
Can we ever please stop with the lets move our best lineman talk. Albert was borderline probowl snub this year and we still want to move him. Please stop.
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by Akr_Baby on Jan 13, 2012 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pro Bwol snub??
I have never seen where anybody had said that.
he was on the edge of being a snub...
not that I thought he was a snub. Albert had a great year, top 5 prolly in the afc even he was mad he didnt get in.
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by Akr_Baby on Jan 13, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would take
Joe Thomas, Jake Long, D’Brick, Clady, Brown (Texans), Light, Whitworth, and McKinnie all over Albert in the AFC.
by AZDiamond75 on Jan 14, 2012 12:45 AM CST up reply actions
OUr best lineman is not good enough at his position but would be outstanding at his real position. Upgrade city!!! Move him
He's at his real position.
You know, the one where he’s spent his entire NFL career?
by Tarkus on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
RT should be more of a concern...
that and the interior line men, not Albert.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Haley started him there in his career?
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by BJ Kissel on Jan 13, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, no.
He was drafted to play LT long before you even heard of Haley.
by Tarkus on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol, -1
nice way to join an argument… with no research & little knowledge of the topic…
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by Akr_Baby on Jan 13, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Or the one
he played his entire college career at.
by AZDiamond75 on Jan 14, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Regardless of how good Albert has been at LT
Would anyone really be opposed to bringing in more tackle competition? If Reiff can take left from Branden, fine. If he can’t, put him at RT or LG, depending on what’s available in FA.
The line would be Albert/Reiff, FA/Reiff/Albert, Hudson, Asamoah, FA/Reiff/Albert. It would remove the pass protection issue from the debate about Cassel’s ability and create a “plug and chug” type line where we could plug in strong RBs from any round and get yardage.
by Wait and See on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Im never against comp...
just saying I wouldnt move a guy to another position untill you have a much better option.
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by Akr_Baby on Jan 13, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the missed opportunity.
If we get a right tackle as our first pick, we might as well trade down and get that right tackle in the late first/early second.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
there are no good RTs
in FA. We have to draft one. OGs there are FAs that are good.
How do you know?
There are always several unexpected cuts from teams because of roster bonuses and younger players pushing to playing time. Just because there may not be a lot of talent with the UFA designator doesn’t mean there won’t be some very good players available.
by BinSC on Jan 13, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Leave albert alone at let Rief play RT.
If we can’t resign Albert then Reif can move to LT and we are good. Move Richardson to LG where I think he could do a decent job. It would fit his strengths and help hide his issues.
by Helmets on Jan 13, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm warming up to the idea
mostly because thoughts of Jamaal Charles and Trent Richardson receiving all carries is pretty awesome, but I still learn towards a tackle.
by m.yashi on Jan 13, 2012 8:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I would have no problem drafting Trent Richardson...
If he’s even still there when we pick. Which I doubt.
It all just depends on what holes you can fill in Free Agency. The debate is fun and all…but we just don’t know what are needs will be for sure.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
by Scott B. on Jan 13, 2012 8:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If we can get one of the good free agent offensive linemen, I think Richardson makes sense
But I think we do need two upgrades to the OL by the time we’re done with the 3rd round.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Jan 13, 2012 8:49 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think Nicks (obviously), Ben Grubbs, or Chris Myers would all be major upgrades
Even Jeff Saturday would be a major short-term upgrade to Weigs… Land any one of those guys in free agency & it opens a lot of options in terms of how to approach the draft.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Jan 13, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I would prefer getting an OL with our first pick and FA
I don’t really care which way we go, but I would like to see the first pick used on a LG (DeCastro) or RT, and whatever we don’t get, find in FA.
Teams like Houston really show that you can plug anyone in at RB with a good OL.
As far as the first pick being a RT, I don’t watch a lot of college football, but I did watch Iowa’s bowl game, and I made a point to watch Reiff. He got beat A LOT and didn’t look good (IMO). I think trading back and getting one of the other OTs available would be the best option.
Let Pioli stockpile picks and try to hit home with later picks (maybe grab a guy like Polk or Ganaway later in the draft).
by 7chiefs7 on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my thoughts exactly on Reiff
I only watched him play 1 game and that was the bowl game as well and OU just powered over him like he wasnt even there. If they can do that whats an NFL DLINE going to do to him?
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With 2 holes on the oline (LG and RT) and not knowing how they will be addressed
drafting Richardson would kinda be a wasted pick because he would get blown up in the backfield half the time like the other RB this year.
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The argument is good
however, I’m against drafting a RB that high, even if it was need#1 (which it isn’t). We need a solid OL then we can place Jackie Battle back there and it won’t matter. If you look at the SB Bronco teams, they had a very good OL and they ran all day on folks. Granted TD was very good, but the line had a lot to do with that.
Uhhh...I hate looking at the 1983 Draft and seeing 2 HOF'ers picked after our washed up QB pick.
Here is a compairison
03 chiefs draft Jonson, he runs lights out behind probowl line after Holmes goes down, 2 years later no major injury to Johnson but the O-line is completely different and not the same caliber and Johnson stinks. The O-line makes the RB position so I would go for Oline myself. If it can be handled why would Jack Battle not be able to run behind it?
just my 2 cents
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
Unless your RB is Jamaal Charles
The O-line makes the RB position
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or Barry Sanders
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by KingChief on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Those two RBs are almost completely opposite types of backs from Richardson.
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by Brsrkr on Jan 13, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
5 reasons not to draft Trent R.
1. The obvious. We need offensive line like a diabetic needs insulin. 2. When Berry went down, our deep center coverage was horrid. Need that. 3. Imo. Dorsey isnt cutting it. Use him as trade bait and pick up a new DE via draft or FA. 4. If Orton leaves we are left with Matt Cassell. Nuff said. 5. Our T.E. Depth is one of the worst in the league. What it boils down to is you CAN find a 4th or 5th round running back and make him look like a 2nd or even 1st rounder with a stout O.L. YEAH BUDDY!
by kckeith58 on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This This This!!!
“What it boils down to is you CAN find a 4th or 5th round running back and make him look like a 2nd or even 1st rounder with a stout O.L”
How long should you try? Until.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 13, 2012 9:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sure I agree with you on DE.
First things first, Bailey really started looking good towards the end of the season. Combine that with Tyson Jackson finally stepping up this year and I’m not sure we’re really hurting at that position. I think we have a much bigger hole at nose tackle.
Secondly, I don’t think you’re giving Dorsey enough credit. Pro-football focus, for example, is pretty high on him. Courtesy of their week 17 Chiefs/Broncos evaluation:
If there is one man responsible for the Chiefs success in run defense, it was defensive end Glenn Dorsey (+5.8 run defense). For the most part he was able to get the best of the left side of Denver’s offensive line and ended up with four tackles for short gains, one tackle for no gain, and one tackle for a loss. Getting held by Ryan Clady (3rd quarter, 11:43) prevented him from making another stop, while pushing Zane Beadles (3rd quarter, 9:41) straight back forced Willis McGahee to stop his run and change directions.
If those numbers don’t convince you, when Denver ran to the gaps to the left or right of their left tackle and guard, they averaged just 3.3 yards per carry, compared to the 5.0 yards everywhere else. This late season surge has Dorsey near the top of our 3-4 defensive end rankings in terms of run defense.
Now if Pioli can pull in a good deal on a trade for Dorsey, by all means pull the trigger. He certainly isn’t irreplaceable. But I’m not sure we should be desperate to ship him out of here.
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by MtHammer on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Richardson is the worst case scenario for KC
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
As much flack that Pioli takes around here, I think he drafts well. I think he knows not to take an RB in the first round. There’s an abundance of past experience that shows that RBs can be found anywhere as long as the OL is good (the LJ comparison above, Houston, Denver in Shanahan’s day).
Pioli "drafts well"?
Because so many of his picks for us are studs…right?
I don’t necessarily think he blows…but I wouldn’t consider him as drafting well, either. Hopefully, this year he’ll make me eat those words.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I like Pioli's drafts to date
It is debateable. The first draft I think gets a pass, considering he wasn’t here very long and probably didn’t spend enough time evaluating talent as he should have considering all of the personnel decisions that needed to be made. I really like the second draft (Berry, Mo, Lewis, Arenas, McCluster, Asomoah) and I think the last draft has big potential (Baldwin, Hudson, Bailey, Houston).
Time will tell whether these last two drafts really have been good. It’s early to tell, but I like them so far considering the potential there.
And I agree with your last statement. I hope he makes you eat those words too!
Was AP worth his spot?
prime example of what if KC drafts Richardson. Minn lacked and still lacks a QB and stellar OL. Their D can win games with an average offense. Much the same as our present day KC.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
JC hold out? Homeboy just got paid....
He holds out this town will turn on him faster than it turned in Grbac
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I didn't get that argument, either.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
It could happen if he comes back healthy next year and holds out in 2013 or 2014
Don’t underestimate how he perceives his worth when he looks at these other contracts around the league being handed out.
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But you want to waste a 1st round pick on a backup?
Or holdout insurance? That’s the job of a 3rd, 4th, 5th round pick. You said it yourself:
Many people will argue that the Chiefs shouldn’t take Richardson if he’s available because running backs just aren’t as valuable as they used to be and good ones can be found later in the draft.
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 16, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pushing hard for LMJ in the 3rd
Would also take Craig’s boy Monty Ball in the 2nd. High first round RBs are for suckas
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Montee Ball is staying
But lots of RB in draft….James would be sweet!!!
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Damn, didn't know that
LMJ or sign a free agent
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Isaiah Pead either
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Lamar Miller (RB from Da U) seems to be legit and can be had in the 2nd...
but if we don’t get Carr back I want Jenoris Jenkins (CB from UF/N. Alabama) in the 2nd…
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agreed
RBs are a dime a dozen anymore. A stout O line makes UDFAs into all pros. We need to make our line studly before we start messing with RBs in the first round. Bush & Tolbert will be available for a far lesser cost. Get one of those guys before wasting a valuable !st round pick that we should be using on a QB or an o lineman.
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High first round
RBs are for suckas HIV. Unless it is Adrian P. Then i would use a first in the first. YEAH BUDDY
by kckeith58 on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And MN still stinks
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
So, you wouldn't have AP on your team...if you had the chance?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Given the draft pick required ....nope
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 11:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He Makes a Great Case For Trent
If he grades out as an AP type back and he’s avaialble at 11 or 12, there will be interest from people wanting to move up. But i’d have to draft him, if again, he really is as good as an AP. You could hide Cassell with JC and TR, that would be scary good combo. Get RT in FA, can’t be that hard to find a scrub that is better than BR.
Stil little ticked they never gave hudson some snaps at center. WTF pt in having casey still snapping late in some of those blowouts? To protect some streak?
unfa
remember, you can find good/great OL in 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds and FA. and you can find them undrafted FA, like brian waters.
chiefs must take richardson if he’s available because he will be the best player available and that’s how you draft: take best player available regardless of need.
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM CST reply actions
Pioli disagrees with you.
take best player available regardless of need.
He says it’s a balancing act between BPA and need, that it’s not one or the other.
If one of the top corners or D linemen are available at our pick, then Richardson won't be the best player available.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
FTFY:
remember, you can find good/greatOLRB in 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds and FA. and you can find them undrafted FA, likebrian watersArian Foster.
I’m just saying.
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The big question
Are the Chiefs still a run first team? New coach. Maybe he wants to pass more. There’s other backs that can easily be found later in the draft. If Charles decides to hold out a couple of years down the road, find another back and plug him in.
by flip8744 on Jan 13, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think that'll depend a lot on who the offensive coordinator is.
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Our pick is in the top third of the draft
and you want to draft somebody who comes in and sits on the bench?
We drafted a backup last year in the first round, and he may still not start this year. That’s not going to get us to the playoffs. Plenty of room on our offensive line for a top 12 pick to come in and be a starter. Get a running back later.
by HowSweetItIs on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
This is all fine, except
Trent Richardson really is THAT good. When an Adrian Peterson kind of a guy comes along, a team will take him in the top 10 or a lower team will trade up to get him. By the time the draft rolls around, he will have moved way up draft boards. I seriously doubt that he will even be there at 12. I’d say odds are only about 20% that he’s still on the board.
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IMO
He is not as good as A.P. Not worth that high pick for the Chiefs.
by kckeith58 on Jan 13, 2012 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
He’s not even close
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by SagehenMacGyver47 on Jan 16, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
A slippery back can make a bad line look good.
But a contact back can’t make a bad line look good. Just because a back can’t consistently run through D linemen and bigger linebackers.
Richardson should look good if he’s with a team that can help him with the D linemen and big LBers. Can our line do that? Dunno, it might change character a lot next year. This year, TR would probably not have looked that great behind our line.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
No
Dex played well at RB this year, JC’s a stud, and there are multiple FA’s available that can handle taking 100 snaps or so.
People aren’t counting Dex into the equation, and they should. He did a very good job with the 114 rushes he got, despite the at-times mystifying play calling. He’ll get 100 carries again.
That means between JC and Dex you’ve got at least 275 carries accounted for. We’re not going to need someone to carry the ball 250 times like TJ did in ‘10. So why spend a 1st rounder on Richardson when we’ve already got so many snaps accounted for?
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We need to spend our 11/12 overall for injury insurance.
dur.
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(Smacks forehead)
Of course!
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
yes...
because thats the best option, 1st pick on insurance. not that Im completly against TR but he has to be picked for his impact now as a 1st rounder not for insurance. I can find an insurance back in the 4th.
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Neither did Mark Twain. Jes sayin.
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Because Matt Cassel is the QB and we're counting on the focal point of our offense to be a guy coming off major knee surgery
I don’t then want the main part of our offense should JC not come back 100%, or on time, to be a 4th round guy. I would be happy with Reiff, Martin, DeCastro, TR or Hightower at this point. There are good reasons for all of them.
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First of all, ACL tears aren't what they used to be
Second, even with Richardson teams can beat us the same way the Raiders and the Ravens did, by overpowering our overmatched line and ignoring the pass.
Third, addressing the line helps both the passing and running game, whereas taking Richardson puts us in the position to be even more one dimensional than we already are.
Fourth, there are all kinds of RB’s in FA that we could get without using a high draft pick on a position we don’t have a big need at.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not convinced that any RB that is available isn't already damaged goods
We’re ALREADY one dimensional because Cassel is coming back, and possibly without Bowe. They won’t respect the pass anyways. It’s the same offense already that struggled against those teams except for a coming-off-injury Charles. Getting a good right tackle won’t all of the sudden fix Cassel’s pocket awareness, he was skiddish when nobody was around him and it’s not something that just ‘changes’.
I’m not against OL with the first pick, I’ve been saying that for a while, but if you start thinking of what our offense will look like if JC isn’t 100% or something happens to him again, TR becomes a solid option.
The point becomes what’s more solid overall. A right tackle in the 2nd with TR, or Reiff and a rb in the 2nd. Which is the better option? (strictly for comparison). A guy like Mike Adams…..
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agree
we need TR in the first and a right tackle in the second unless that tackle or guard grades out better than TR following the combine next month. i doubt that happens.
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
I hear you, and to an extent that makes sense
I’d rather see the line given top priority though. Any RB can look good behind a decent line.
DeCastro in the first and a RT in the 2nd would do our offense more good than any of the scenarios you laid out IMO.
But yeah, Cassel does limit us naturally. Sigh…
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Damnit MN
I’m just making a case here :)
DeCastro, Reiff, Martin, Hightower and TRich I’d be happy with that this point.
DeCastro and a RT in the second solidifies the line for years. And Albert is going to be one happy dude if we don’t sign Carr and/or Bowe because he’ll be a FA right about the time we need to hit the cap floor. HELLO $$$$$.
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acl tears
players who suffered acl tears will tell you it takes two years to get back to where they were pre-injury. this is probably even more true for running backs.
remember, E. James of Indy Colts torn up his acl at a game at arrowhead. my dad, a diehard colts fan, always said he wasnt the same runner after that injury.
draft TR if he’s available and then in two years, when jamaal will be fully healthy, we will have the best backfield in the NFL!!
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather go back to the best O-line in the NFL
And go after Bush, Tolbert, or even Snelling/Grant
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The only way he's worth a first round pick is if he turns out to be ne of the best backs ever.
The only runningback in the league right now worth a 1st is Charles. The difference between Adrian Peterson and an average runningback like Battle is not that bigcertainly not big enough to be worth a 1st.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 13, 2012 11:19 AM CST reply actions
asfhasdfhlasd?
The difference between Adrian Peterson and an average runningback like Battle is not that big
If you think that is true, call the Vikings and see if they’ll trade us Peterson for Battle
And I think that Battle is even younger for Peterson – that should sweeten the deal
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I've said before that I'd trade Peterson if I were the Vikings.
You could probably find a team that would give them a 1st and a 2nd for him, when in reality he’s worth a 2nd or a late 1st at most.
Fact is, other than Charles, the difference between the best runningbacks and average running backs is not worth a 1st. So given the option between finding a running back in FA or a late round or spending a 1st on one, I’d happily take a FA.
So I’m not saying Battle is as good as Peterson, I’m saying that Even though Peterson is one of the best and Battle is average, Peterson isn’t worth that much more.
by wustl_chiefs_fan on Jan 13, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
How the hell can you compare AP with Battle?
He was having a very good year until he ran into some injuries.
by Arrowhead25 on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
lol
you cannot be serious. there’s a reason jackie battle mostly played special teams until this year.
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
The Alabama player that I want to see drafted is...
Josh Chapman NT
This guy was a monster as the anchor for the ALA D-line all year.
I’m not talking 1st round either… I think he could be had in the 3rd or 4th.
Run stuffing, multiple block taking, anchor for the D-line that we’ve so desperately needed.
exactly
agree with that. the chiefs need to find a premiere nose tackle. ask anyone with any knowledge of a 3-4 defense what position is the most important to run a 3-4 and they will tell you it’s the NT position.
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Of course, THE expert on the 2-gap 3-4 is Romeo......
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I disagree
I believe DL overall is important, and a great NT alone doesn’t make a huge impact.
Look at NE’s defense. They’ve got the best NT in the league and they’re TERRIBLE.
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They are confused if they are a 4-3 or 3-4 haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
True story
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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NE
the pats havent run a 3-4 defense this year. they are running a 4-3
by michaelaglover on Jan 13, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
A pure 4-3?
I thought it was a hybrid, like ours
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They have played in a 3-4 quite a few times this year
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 14, 2012 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not to mention a 2 gap NT, is usually a 2 down linemen, taken out in passing situations
We run subpackages around 50% of the time
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I thought about going back and rewatching all the divisional games
And count the number of times were in each defensive formation. As much as we’re in nickel/dime, adding another safety to take McGraw’s spot is important considering the % we’re in that set.
Was looking for a tweener for the position, undersized LB that could play in the box and cover TE’s. Lavonte David and Sean Spence were brought up, and a kid from Kentucky I was told about from a dude on twitter.
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George Iloka is a guy to look for
Safety from Boise, looked ok back deep but was moved to CB later in the season and looked much better. So a DB at 6’3’’ 213lbs, who has the tools to play closer to the line in man, or deep(does need some work staying deep though). New breed of TE killers, bigger CBs/Safetys
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 14, 2012 6:18 AM CST up reply actions
we have to go OT
with that first pick. I agree with the mocks.
you know what?
I’ve reconsidered. Considering all of early OTs are LTs, maybe we should get Richardson, It’s either that or draft one of the stud OGs which I think is too high for a guard. But if we go with this strategy we better have ID’d a good RT later in the draft who we don’t miss on. I’m going to be pouring over scouting reports as we get closer to the draft. All I can say is no more Gabe Miller picks, PIOLI!
reconsidered again
he’s not making it past the 4 spot where Browns pick. This is much ado about the impossible.
From the article
but what happens when we have a great right tackle and our No. 2 running back is Jackie Battle?
Battle has stats that may be fairly comparable to what we could expect from Trent if he were running behind Barry Richardson…
But if you put Charles behind that same “great right tackle”…hmmm…
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
not even close
You can put Charles behind that right tackle for 12-15 carries a game. That’s all he’s going to get and someone else is going to carry the ball, and it’s not Dex.
You’re telling me that Battle would have a better year behind Reiff than TR would behind B Rich?
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Why not Dex?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
it's been two years and he hasn't shown enough to be a no. 2 rb
I like dex, but he isn’t going to take tj/battle’s carries.
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by BJ Kissel on Jan 13, 2012 12:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
TJ had 2.4 more attempts per game than Dex this year. I think Dex can handle that load.
Feed Charles the rock. And when he gets tired, feed it to McClain. We have enough ball carriers to go around.
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hope we re-sign McClain and I'd take that
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by BJ Kissel on Jan 13, 2012 3:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he showed enough to be a no. 2 RB this year
I’m very comfortable with him and Jamaal, with a dude like McClain to do the rest.
That said, given our need to run the ball a ton it makes sense to have another RB.
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I like the McClain idea
If they’d let him run it like they did the last few games, he could make up those carries. I just hope he comes back.
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JC had monster year behind BR last year
special RB’s don’t necesarrily need a great OL. Now add another special RB, lots of interesting possibilities. Look at the texans and how they are on to rd 2, they have to very good backs. also, i don’t think it would be that hard to upgrade BR in free agency.
by Arrowhead25 on Jan 13, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Arian Foster was a UDFA, Ben Tate was a second rounder.
Like I said above, slippery backs like Charles don’t need a good O line. Contact backs like Richardson do.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I would still rathe draft a lineman
I know this will probably be beating this horse to death but a backup running back is going to contribute on about 40-50% of offensive plays. An upgrade at any offensive line position will easily contribute more than twice that. It is a matter of value, and I would rather be smart and grab an offensive lineman than a running back who sits on the bench half the time.
As far as who, I would be fine with any of the commonly mentioned options but I would value Martin and Reiff over Adams and DeCastro. Martin seems like the best shot to upgrade LT and Reiff is versatile enough to dominate at guard or tackle so I think they are safer.
http://victorypolka.blogspot.com/
105 reasons chiefs
should draft a tackle
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
Cause drafting running backs in the 1st round
Has worked SO well over the past 5 years ;)
Forte, McCoy, Charles, Gore, Jackson, Turner, Bradshaw, Foster, Murray, pretty much every high level RB besides CJ, McFadden, and AD have been picked outside of the 2nd.
by JC25FoMVP on Jan 14, 2012 8:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
As odd as this will sound
I think losing Bowe could factor into drafting Richardson. If we lose Bowe to free agency / franchise tag and trade, I can see a scenario of drafting Richardson to pair with Charles and maybe resign Battle as the #3 back while having starting receivers of Baldwin and Breaston and moving Dexter back to the slot like his rookie year.
Just a wild thought…
Your eyes tell you more than any statistics can.
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