Let's Talk About Peyton Manning And The Chiefs
by Joel Thorman on Jan 13, 2012 9:30 AM CST
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Over the last few months the fan bases for the majority of NFL teams have, at some point, asked themselves: Could my team get Peyton Manning? And the fans who aren't asking that are asking whether they could trade up for Andrew Luck instead.
Manning may or may not be back with the Indianapolis Colts next season. Without getting into too much detail (because everyone knows this), Manning is recovering from a neck injury and there aren't many details available about his future health and ability to play football. He has a big option due shortly before the league year starts in March. So do the Colts pay him the big money and keep him for 2012 or allow him to walk?
The Voice of the Chiefs Mitch Holthus thinks GM Scott Pioli and whoever else is involved in a decision like that will at least explore the Manning question.
"I'll be shocked if they don't explore that," Holthus told Kevin Kietzmann on 810 WHB's Between The Lines this week. "When I say explore...to be somewhat serious about, you know, what are you thinking. I think there are going to be a lot of teams doing that. I don't think the Chiefs would completely shut the door on that."
One big Manning trade note: ESPN's Chris Mortensen has reported that Colts owner Jim Irsay will not trade Manning. There are logistical issues with a trade, anyway. In my view, the Colts appear to be greasing the skids for a potential release by getting it out there that allowing Manning to walk would be a medical decision (in other words it would be out of the team's control so don't blame them).
"I think there will be at least a discussion, sublime or directly, of thinking, 'What would it take?', Holthus continued. "Let's just say in a hypothetical situation. I don't want fans to take that the wrong way and think that's what they're going to do. I think they're looking at any and all scenarios right now of moving this thing forward."
Another note in all of this: Almost every fan base is having the same discussion right now. Everyone would want Manning if he became available. So, while it's interesting to talk about, let's remember that we're not that unique.
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Exactly, here we go!
Im just gonna go ahead and burst everyones bubble with logic.
1: Indy cannot trade him until the start of the new year, which means they will have already given him his bonus, therefore they are not going to trade someone away they just paid all that money to.
AND
2: If he is cut, it will be due to medical reasons, which puts his career in serious jeopardy, so its HIGHLY unlikely anyone would sign him.
If he is cut, teams will no doubt be looking into him and running all the tests they can, but bottom line is if Indy cuts ties with him, it will be because he has serious health issues to overcome. My guess is he walks away from football and becomes a broadcaster.
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by 65TossPwrTrap on Jan 13, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, not necessarily true on #2
If he’s cut, it can also be because paying his $28mil roster bonus on top of Lucks #1 draft pick bonus (Newton’s last year was $14mil +) would tie up $42mil in bonuses alone for the QB position just for 2012.
That’s not counting their actual salary for the year.
So there is absolutely more than one legitimate reason for cutting Manning. It doesn’t have to be because they think he’s too hurt to play.
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28 MIL ???
Okay I didn’t know it was that much. I see your point…I stand corrected.
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by 65TossPwrTrap on Jan 13, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Some additional info for you
Since I usually like to ask for links from people spouting numbers online, I’ll extend the same courtesy that I usually request:
There’s a little popup link just above the Facebook share button for contract details.
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Thanks for the link
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by 65TossPwrTrap on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
OK...im hijacking this thread because its up near the top
1. If Manning is cut…er…pay good money to get him…we are an attractive team for Manning.
2. Cut Cassel….sign Orton
3. Keep grooming Stanzi
so, possible Manning, Orton, Stanzi
If Mannings head falls off….play Orton….if Ortons head falls off….play Stanzi
it seems pretty simple to me.
god speed neckbeard
Team Berry
Team Burfict or Team Te'O
...if I cant have the next Ray Lewis...ill settle for the next Junior Seau.
by MasterBlaster7 on Jan 13, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
I cant see us, nor any team, trading for him
He would cost too much for a very short shelf life.
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 13, 2012 9:33 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Now signing him after he is released, I can get down with that shit
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 13, 2012 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
You bet your ass.
Free Agent Manning with Bowe / Breaston / Baldwin / Moeaki / Charles / Dex to work with on offense?
If we manage to sign him, hell draft O Line in each of the first three rounds just to keep the guy upright.
Grab a TE in the 4th, and DB depth later and prepare for the super bowl.
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I think we'd be more apt to tag carr over bowe if it came down to it
but hopefully we can get 1 (or ideally both) of these guys re-signed before FA hits.
i stil think, contrary to all logic
They sign bowe and franchise carr
by stagdsp on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm thinking the opposite
but either way works
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Why? I like to hear contrary logic.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Logic confuses and frightens me.
I avoid it at all costs.
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Chiefs have plenty of cap space.
And since we don’t have a Steve Breaston or Jonathan Baldwin behind Brandon Flowers, it might very well be worth the extra cash to keep Carr.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
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If you could get him
Before Bowe walked…that might make him want to stay. Manning makes WR’s All-Pros
by MidMo Chiefs Fan on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Bowe wants to stay anyway
It’s just a question of money, I think
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
THIS THIS THIS
Chiefs sign Manning… Bowe AND Carr might just stick around, even if its for a little less than they can get somewhere else. If they really think they could win with Manning leading them… absolutely.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
I'm all for drafting three
OL if the players are worth it. We can always sign a FA, and I have a feeling if we get Manning, OL will want to sign with KC. Plus he improves our OL just by the fact he gets the offense into the correct plays and gets the ball out quick.
by AZDiamond75 on Jan 13, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
when are we going to get over this paralizing fear of drafting a QB in the 1st round
And this obsession of bringing in every retread off the street that had any success at QB? The guy is 36 years old had has had 3 neck surgeries in a year and a half. It is so bad that he is going to Europe to try this experimental stem cell therapy. Even if the guy was a 100% healthy, how many years would he have left? 2 maybe 3 tops. Factor in also, the guy has had his lions share of flops in the post season (9-10 record). This is just a bad, stupid idea that sadly has been gaining momentum, although it had been somewhat slowed by Orton putting up pedestrian numbers the last month of the season.
No one wants to hear this, but, Pioli needs to be up all night thinking of a possible trade offers for Luck or RG3 on this team. God forbid we have to go to war with Orton as our QB, then Pioli has to surround him with as much elite, all pro, hall of fame talent, in order for him to even have a chance of winning the Super Bowl.
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by saints_chiefsfan1979 on Jan 15, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
Only QB's worth a first round
are Luck and RGIII. They will go 1 and 2 with someone trading up to the Ram’s spot. Could be Cleveland, could be Washington, probably will not be us. No other QB is worth that first round pick. Go O-line first round (Kalil, Martin, Reiff or DeCastro), get another O-line in FA, and then start drafting depth.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Then put some staples / duct tape / bondo on it and march his ass out there.
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by TRSChief on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Trust me.
I mean, I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But I drove past a medical school last month and recently went to the dentist.
I got this.
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by TRSChief on Jan 13, 2012 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
new team physician
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You have to keep in mind the wind resistance his forehead generates.
You might need fashion some sort of headbrace with some steel rebar tucked under his pads and running up under his helmet.
But, beyond that, I think with some duct tape and bondo we’d be good to go.
buubblegum, duct tape and baling wire
old school
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Just rub some stem cells on it
good as new…
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Jan 13, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I considered that.
That’s why I’m planning to surgically attach a rear spoiler to his fivehead.
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Why isn't this greened yet?
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Dr. says I need a backiotemy.
Time to take back the AFC West
Go Chiefs
by King of the Cassel on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Or a Lopitoffemy
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by Falcon58 on Jan 13, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
or an Addadicktome
Needs for 2012:
O-line
D-line
Linebacker
Quarterback
by Bleedingredandgold on Jan 13, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Still worth the risk, imo.
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Not going to happen
it’ll cost multiple high picks, and pioli won’t do it for a 22 year old QB, why would you for a 36 year old who may never be the same?
It'll cost multiple high picks to sign a free agent?
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Will be if they release him.
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
and if we DID sign him, no more silly talk about cap space
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
or Clark being cheap
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
na
that wont go away, its a perception
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 13, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
he's not cheap
he just REALLY likes saving money/cap space.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Except you can't trade him until afer the start of the 2012 season
which is after he is due his huge roster bonus. Thats why the Colts won’t be trading him. It’s either cut him before the bonus – or pay him and keep him.
Got some catching up to do, I see.
It happens.
If Manning leaves Indy, it’ll be via a release where he can sign wherever he wants to as a free agent – or retires.
Trading is, in all likelihood, not an option by all reports that have come out. (True, things happen that go contrary to all reports from time to time, but it would take a pretty specific set of circumstances to line up).
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i like the post
and believe it could happen.As long as we don’t have to trade anything much to get him if he’s not released.In all of our QB posts it seems the forgotten man has been Stanzi.How good is he or can he be.If Manning could come here it may be the best thing for Stanzi. If he’s not good why was he drafted?Ahead of TJ Yates I think. He may be better than we know.
John Soellner
If we did sign him
the game against the Colts would be pretty interesting.
Let's talk about a Chiefs Super Bowl
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:37 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Man, it's almost like those two things may somehow be connected to the main topic here.
Can’t quite put my finger on it…
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He's gotten pay-paid for a long time.
He’d get a contract if he’s healthy. 2-3 years, option for a 4th?
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I agree with you
but do you think Peyton would want to play there? Big city, big drama, big loud mouth coach. I’m not so sure.
Biggest stage, any player would want to play there
Especially with a coach who will keep his hands off the offense
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pey Pey is the biggest shill in sports
He’d eat that shit up
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He mightve learned something from Favre
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
by GenericBrand on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Have you watched TV in the last half-decade or so?
Peyton Manning doesn’t exactly shy from the spotlight (see: half of all commercials on ESPN).
Who wouldn't take money to do commercials? It's easy money.
I just think he would look at that organization and all the “hoopla” that would come with it and would stay away. Everyone has their price, but I think he would shy away from NYC. Especially with their coach.
Plus brother Eli plays next door.
Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Plus
he has done his best to not upstage his brother and his brother’s career. That would of course be hard to do if Eli goes out and beats the Pats like I hope he will. Still, not being in NY, playing in the same town as his brother, could keep him from the Jets.
Plus, do the Jets have the cap space that we have?
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
but then we can trade for Sanchez!!!!
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
sarcasm font just sucks the sarcasm right out of it
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
What exactly makes him selfish?
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 10:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Giving the ball to defensive players instead of his own teammates?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like sharing to me
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
sharing is caring!
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Rather have Orton in that case.
As good or better production, and wouldn’t have to trade anything for him.
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Its sad that we would even have to make that comparison
Its like saying lupus>cancer>aids….c’mon…really??
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I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Salary Cap
Jets don’t have a lot of room, Chiefs have way more. It could happen.
by Chatch McNasty on Jan 13, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
We don't have to outbid them.
Peyton wants another ring (or two) more than anything else. If he feels we give him a better shot at it, he’ll sign here at a discount.
And by discount I mean, $18-20 million.
Yep...
And the Jets are in perennial powerhouse NE’s division. He could come to the AFC West and clean up in this sucky division.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
That's my gut feeling as well.
And when you’re talking about a neck injury…it would be just as well. He’s had a great career. No real reason for him to risk his future health.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
He's one of the most competitive people on the planet.
And he has exactly the same number of super bowl rings as Trent Dilfer.
You think he doesn’t want to up that ring count?
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Of course he would.
If he was 100%. But, what QB needy team is he going to go to, and take them to the Super Bowl immediately?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Chiefs. Niners. Jets.
Plug an all pro QB into any of those teams and they’re instant contenders.
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Yup. I guess I could re-word that to "odds-on favorites" for their specific case.
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I mean, unless you think Alex Smith brings as much to the table as a healthy Pey-Pey would.
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The last time I heard this discussed on 610...
The Niners, Chiefs and one other I think were the top teams seen as having the necessary pieces for Manning to be willing to accept a trade to. If he was signing as a free agent, it probably opens up the options a little, but Peyton only has 2-3 years if he’s lucky. He’ll want to go to a team that can win NOW.
He might be willing to follow in Montana and Young’s footsteps… or he might want to just follow Montana’s into KC and become the next most loved QB to come here. Only this time, we’ve got a team that can play. Peyton will run the offense practically by himself. You don’t really need an Offensive Coordinator, you need an Offensive Collaborator.
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PLEASE!!
Let that happen…let a healthy Peyton come to KC, draft DeCastro, get Nicks in FA from New Orleans, sign Carr, tag Bowe, trade Cassel, draft depth….I may even buy season tickets, and I live near Des Moines!
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
if Manning went to the New York with the Jets that city would explode
… and then we wouldn’t have to deal with New Yorkers anymore :-)
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I am all for that!
Now if only there was some way to get rid of Californians…perhaps slide it off into the ocean somewhere….or consult with kurt russell to build a giant wall around the city…
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
make it happen, please
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I am trying! But your vote keeps canceling out mine!!
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
well, if everyone on the planet would face east and start jogging really fast ...
we get the earth to spin backwards, then we can go back in time and if we go back far enough we can trade up and get him in the draft as a rookie
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
then we would have won a super bowl
and would be the ones drafting Luck and potentially releasing a HOF QB
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
right, so we need to target Rodgers or Brees
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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
ok, new plan
I am just going to target lottery numbers and BUY the Chiefs
To make a bad day worse, spend it wishing for the impossible.
I've had the same dream every night this week. I think it means that the spring season flopped and my subconscious has gone into reruns.
by chiefsandcigars on Jan 13, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
awesome!
so Powerball is up to $1B now … schweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Technically, no.
The earth already spins east to west (which is why the sun ‘comes up’ in that direction).
To get it to turn backwards, we’d all have to run west. Running east would just speed up time (meaning the weekend would get here sooner, so let’s try that).
no, the Earth spins West to East
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
nope, not at all hemisphere specific
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Counter-clockwise, as viewed from the north star. It moves to the direction from west to east
by chiefsfan83 on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
I know, that's what I said
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You'd have to look past the car on blocks in the yard.
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by TRSChief on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hemisphere?
I ain’t afraid of no powerful yet slightly heavier engines!
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No
The earth spins in one direction, north is north, south is south.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Which can be from several different reasons
Not because the Earth is spinning different directions above and below the equator. North pole is north, south is south.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
But the rotation with regards to east and west
is opposite. Just look at a globe from the top and the bottom.
The Earth still rotates the same way
The top does not rotate one way, the bottom does not rotate the other way(although.. that might be spiffy as hell)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
correct
it’s like looking at the rear wheels on a car … on driver’s side they turn counterclockwise, looking at the passenger side they turn clockwise
but both wheels rotate the same direction … put a penny on top of both wheels, as the car begins to move the penny moves towards the FRONT of the car and then down
perspective is everything
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Water down the drain according to hemisphere is a myth:
http://www.snopes.com/science/coriolis.asp
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by electriclight on Jan 13, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Depends on your perspective, I guess.
Regardless, it goes counter-clockwise.
Experiment with it.
Set your coffee cup on your desktop. Now, use your finger to mark ‘north’ on the cup and the handle marking ‘east’ (meaning, it should be 90 degrees right of your finger).
Now, turn your mug counter-clockwise.
East goes to west on the ‘day’ side facing the sun, while west goes to east on the ‘night’ side.
Therefore, I posit that — since east goes west — it turns east to west.
you don't posit very well
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You realize the sun sets in the west?
The earth is spinning below it, west to east. That’s why the dawn greets New Yorkers before San Franciscans. The same thing happens with Buenas Aires before Santiago, Chile. It is the same everywhere on Earth. Perspective has nothing to do with it.
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by electriclight on Jan 13, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Perspective has nothing to do with it.
It does if you’re considering the spin clockwise vs. counterclockwise (or left or right) as opposed to east/west.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
You would have to be standing exactly on the North or South pole
to have a clockwise or counter clockwise perspective.
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by electriclight on Jan 13, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Perspective has everything to do with it.
You realize the sun sets in the west?
The earth is spinning below it, west to east.
Uh, yes. I wrote that bit. Go up a few posts.
You’re making your judgment by looking at the earth as viewed from the stars. I’m looking at the stars, as viewed from the earth.
It’s all ‘counter-clockwise.’ If you’re viewing it from above, things go from right to left (or, from ‘3’ to ‘9’) half of the time and from left to right (or, from ‘9’ to ‘3’) half the time.
However, standing at the center of the clockface, looking in any direction outward, everything moves in a constant right to left. While, if standing at any point outside the numbers of the clockface looking inward, everything moves a constant left to right.
Works for coffee mugs, maybe. Planets? Not so much.
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by electriclight on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
No
the earth is flat
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by trentchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
It would make it easier on Archie.
He could just stay in New York most of the season and watch whichever boy has a home game.
How do you have a noodle neck with fused vertebrae?
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Al dente Noodle neck
I don't have a catchy, catch phrase.
is it better than noodle arm we have at QB
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by trentchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
the last time KC brought in an aging, super bowl winning superstar QB
we got all the way to the AFC championship game…..the rest is a history of fail. That being said, he’s way too much of a risk health wise.
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I've thought about that a lot as well, but, it
just seems that peyton was done where joe wasn’t. joe could have played anohter year or two easily
It's pretty obvious that all of this is contingent on him being cleared medically.
Assuming the doctors give him in the all-clear, that’s where the overall discussion from the OP picks up.
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and what would happen is ...
the doctors clear him and say he’s healthy and ready to go
Peyton says he’s healthy and ready to go
the Colts say he’s healthy and ready to go
and then give him his unconditional release as a free agent
why does all that sound unlikely, if not downright suspicious? hmmmmmmm!
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Andrew Luck
$28mil roster bonus
Not much suspicious about that.
Would make no sense for the Colts to try to pay both Manning and Luck. That’d be something like 40% or more of the team payroll tied up in QB’s.
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With the new bargaining agreements luck is only going to get something like 20,000,000 over 4 years
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 13, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
$28mil roster bonus for Manning. That’s one lump sum right up front just for being on the team past March.
Plus Manning’s salary for the year.
Plus Luck’s First-year salary / bonuses.
One position, and only one of those players will be playing.
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Plus, they can take Peyton's money and reinvest it in the team for Luck.
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Yeah. So many reasons keeping both is a worst case scenario.
I can’t see any logical reason to do it.
Again, there may be one – but I don’t see it.
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I'm going to be in the minority on this, but the Montana trade was a huge bust for the Chiefs.
When you’re basically saying “this guy gets us to the Superbowl” and he doesn’t and it costs you a first round draft pick for two years of service, it’s a horrible trade. People forget that if Dave Kreig hadn’t been on the team that year we would have never gotten out of the wildcard round of the playoffs.
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by Rev. Slappy on Jan 13, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
in the case of Manning it would simply be picking up a Free Agent
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Seriously?
Your argument implies we wouldn’t have done something shit all stupid with that first round pick. I’d say our history would indicate otherwise. Bringing in Joe Montana provided one of the few bright experiences for Chiefs fans. How could you call that a mistake?
by mls21 on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
When Montana was brought in the idea was they were "one guy away" from the Superbowl.
So they bring in the one guy they thought they needed and failed. When you give up a first rounder for a ticket to the Superbowl and then don’t make it to the Superbowl then it’s a bust. When you give up a first rounder for a guy who was frequently unjured it’s a bust. I think people remember this period of Chiefs history with rose colored glasses because the Chiefs got a lot of media attention for it and for some inexplicable reason Chiefs fans are obsessed with the lack of media attention the team gets. If the Chiefs didn’t have Dave Kreig on the roster they would never have gotten as far as they did in 1993. He spelled Montana when Joe was (frequently) injured. Kreig passed for a TD against the Steelers in the Wild Card game or they wouldn’t have gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
Marcus Allen was a far more important acquisition for the Chiefs. And they don’t win that game in Houston without Marcus Allen.
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by Rev. Slappy on Jan 13, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Gray Areas
Sounds like some serious black and white thinking. By your logic 31 teams are complete failures each year. I’m not sure I could say anything to change that perspective. It must make it seriously tough to be a fan of this team, or any team for that matter.
Logic Fail.
Have we been farther than Montana took us since he left?
NO?
Argument is done then.
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But the idea at the time wasn't "take us farther." The idea at the time was we were one guy away from the Superbowl.I
If you win the Superbowl then I agree that it’s totally worth the first rounder. But they didn’t even go to the Superbowl. And that’s why the trade was a bust.
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by Rev. Slappy on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Superbowls aren't guarantees though...
Montana was one guy a way from a Superbowl caliber team.
Getting to AFC championship
single handidly come back and beating the oilers, that was a great trade. like others said, we probably would have wasted that pick anyway on Trezelle’s older brother
by Arrowhead25 on Jan 13, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
In no way shape or form did Montana beat the Oilers singlehandedly.
The defense had 9 sacks. NINE!
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by Rev. Slappy on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
And that wat
with lousy receivers. With Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin, Moeaki and Charles or Dex to throw to, WOW!!
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
I would give anything for us to be able to sign him as a free agent.
Instant Super Bowl contender.
Seriously?
I know we need a QB. But, we’ve got a lot more holes than that to be a “Super Bowl contender”.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Not really
Our problem is mainly on offense at the QB position. Peyton doesn’t take big hits or sacks and w/o Peyton this year you saw the Indy’s oline is way worse than ours. He covers up the olone mistakes with a quick release and audibles
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we have a weak OLine and can't score in the Red Zone ... not even SuperManning can fix that
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Actuall yeah. He can fix the red zone woes.
That’s the very essence of needing a quick read and quick release.
With Manning throwing to targets like Bowe, Baldwin and Moeaki around the red zone – that would be exactly what would fix our inability to score in the red zone.
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This is just not true
His line wasn’t that great either, as evidenced once he was no longer the QB.
Still would need to do work on the line, but a healthy Manning solves a lot of the RZ issues.
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by MNchiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
like what?
running game? got it…recievers? got it……top 10 defense? got it…basically this team needs a couple O Lineman and…..a QB
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Instant SB contender
Wherever Manning goes, I think. Personally, I think he’s the best in the league and arguably ever. They went from a 10-win-perennial SB contender-team with him to a 2-win-worst in the league-team without him.
What could he do with a 7-win team that was missing its best offensive and defensive players?
the Colts made the playoffs last year, but they also struggled to get there (and almost didn't)
football is about more than JUST the QB
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I didn't have them going this year even with Manning.
Their problems are a lot deeper than just not having Manning.
and that's my point regarding Luck for those who want to trade away our draft for the next couple of years
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ok, but WITH Peyton they won 8 more games
, thats half a seasons worth of games……come on man!!
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And he did that with more injuries then they had this past season.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
besides right tackle...
not really. When has Manning ever had a 12th-ranked defense backing him up?
2 O-linemen...
And we can do that in the Draft and FA. Draft DeCastro to take Lilja/Hudson’s spot since Hudson will be going to Center and Lilja is not that good, sign Nicks out of FA, and we’re good to go. Then draft for depth at O-line, ILB, S, QB, and RB. Or hold on to Cassel as our backup, since he’s already on contract. Or trade him for more picks.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Sign Peyton
And Keep Muir as OC. He can sleep while Peyton calls the plays.
Forget that. Hire ME as OC.
I can’t call plays worth a crap, but at least I can stay awake throughout the game.
If your KC...why not??
If he is healthy of course…..KC has only won ONE Super Bowl in all these years…if you trade for him and win another, then faulter for a couple years afterwards, it was still worth it…..with the talent on this team RIGHT NOW, Peyton Manning makes you an INSTANT SB contender…running game, good recievers, and a top 10 defense….decent ST.
One of the reasons big name FAs dont want to come to KC is because we NEVER win….its become a tradition, to miss the playoffs, or, get knocked out in the first round….By winning a Super Bowl , player will be more inclined to come to KC and play..
So bring him on, KC needs a new Sherriff in town
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I respect Manning's body of work
Obviously he’s a Hall of Famer even if he doesn’t take another snap. That said, if released by the Colts and is able to return healthy next season of course every team will take a look at him. It would be irresponsible not too at least give it a thought at the least.
That said, you know what you have in Manning. Even though he’s already hit his ceiling, it’s higher than Cassel’s. Crennel wouldn’t have to worry about developing a QB and attaining Manning would make take a bit of pressure of the OC hire and provide a ton of potency to our offense in addition to any offseason moves that are made to improve our offense, such as the O line.
Likewise, if we picked up Manning, age 36, isn’t this similar to what we did with Joe Montana? You don’t have much time left in him, he will be in decline in the next two seasons or so. Though you could make the argument that he could carry us to the playoffs and help win a Super Bowl sooner than later.
Short term he gives you something, DEPENDING ON HEALTH. Long term, it still leaves a void for the future, though gives you more time to plan for that.
I’m neutral on the thought of Manning but the thought of him coming to KC provides many pro’s and cons and justifications for going either way.
Long term, it gives you time to groom his replacement
While still winning in the short term.
That sounds like the definition of win-win to me.
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That's a good point.
It would be a perfect situation for Stanzi to learn under. Or anyone else we pick up while he’s here…unless we wait until his last season and he’s done and checked out.
Or we could be the smartest team out there
And just let Manning be a QB coach/OC instead of putting him on the field for 100000000000000$(Might have left out a few 0’s)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
People complain that we have all this cap space.
Plus, due to recent injury history, do you think he’ll get the same $100m type contract he had signed just before all that went down?
I don’t think so.
He’ll be expensive still, because he’s one of the best ever. But the inherent risk will factor into those negotiations, and the price will come down from what it was with the Colts. I’d just about wager on it.
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His price will still be high, risk even higher
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
True...high price tag, injury risk
But if proven to be healthy enough to last 3 seasons, it still upgrades our offense and gives us a slight edge in an area lacking that. Additionally, it take pressure of the OC hire…Muir could look like a genius with a healthy Peyton on the field.
Though with a wrong hit to the upper body and a re-injured neck, we would be back to square one.
Like I said, pro’s and cons to either side and justifications to be made going either way.
No one can guarantee 3 years from Manning
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
no one can guarantee 1 more productive season from J Char either
but we sure as hell hope so
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Charles is already on the team
We are not talking about dumping a lot of money on him and hoping he can carry the team, completely different.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Completely?
We are talking about guaranteeing career length… Its all a crap shoot. I know with as much money as people around here say Clark has… I’ll take a chance on the high roller from the last decade, that had an injury last season, and watch him do his thing.
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yes it is different
A young player without as much wear on his body, or an old QB coming back from MAJOR neck surgeries who we would have to INVEST a lot in
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
An argument can be made
that RB have a shorter shelf life, thats all I’m saying. It can be assumed pretty easily that Jamaal can be wonderful for another 3 years. But after that can he keep up the speed, quickness, etc? Im saying its worth paying a QB, particularly Manning, to see can he perform at the level we last saw him. Is there perhaps a greater risk of failure? Sure, but this guy if heathly is worth it
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
It is not smart to bet your future on a old injured QB
if you want to bring up RBs vs QBs.. it’s a lot easier to find RBs than it is QBs
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Signing Manning isn't betting the future, though
Only the very immediate future. If he doesn’t work out, you still have Stanzi plus whoever they draft this year (remember Pioli said he wants to draft a QB every year) plus any kind of Orton / Cassel / middle of the road whatever pops up in free agency or waiver wires.
It’s a game worth taking, I think – again if and only if he checks out with our medical staff.
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It would be the future as we are, like it or not, in a position to move up
and get a QBotF.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, the only two QBOTF worth trading up for right now are Luck and RG3
And the chances of us being able to do that grow slimmer by the day.
There are groomable / project potential legit QB’s coming up (Wheedon, Tannehill, etc) who could stand to sit behind Pey-Pey (or Orton, or whoever) for a few years before growing into the role.
But we sure as shit better not trade up for one of those guys .
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It's Weeden no h.. sorry that's been bugging me haha
the trade up hinges on Bowe, if he doesn’t want to be here/wants too much money.. tag and trade him. That would severally cut the cost in terms of picks to move up
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I mean the last time we took a chance on a HOF QB who was at the end of his career we lost every game…oh wait, we went to the AFC Championship game that year….
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Not concerned about Charles
I saw a statistic of players who had ACL injuries over the past 10 or 15 years. Players who returned from ACL surgeries at age 28 and up showed a decline the following season. Players who returned from ACL surgeries at age 27 and under, returned to full capacity or sometimes showed improvement. Charles is 25 and should make a return of full capacity. Same goes for Eric Berry, age 23.
Peyton Manning is returning from 3 neck surgeries at age 36. Again, pro’s and cons to bringing him on the team and justifications to be made either way. Ha ha. this is not an easy decision as some may feel and I’m glad I’m not Pioli on this one…I don’t think I would fault him for going one way or the other (i.e. if Pioli passes and Manning takes another team to the Super Bowl I wouldn’t fault him; if Manning came here and flopped, I wouldn’t fault Pioli either).
Agreed
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Pretty much with you there.
Again, it’s really all contingent on our own medical people giving him the all-clear.
If the people in our camp think he’s good to go – why not do it?
If there’s a good degree of doubt and hesitation internally – look elsewhere.
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You're forgetting the part where this entire discussion is based on the hypothetial that Manning is cleared as a healthy go by all medical staffs involved.
Some risk will be inherent. But if he’s cleared to play by the Colts docs, the Chiefs docs, and whoever else is required to be involved in this kind of thing – a healthy Manning is a very productive QB.
If he gets injured – insurance policy!
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Depends what you call healthy
That injury, those 3 surgeries.. not likely to ever be 100% healthy
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
85% of Manning is better than anything we've had in 20 years.
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Eh I think I would take preconcussion-Trent over Manning with this team
He can sling the ball around like we used to and actually have a defense instead of a speed bump
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Those backups worked out real well for them this season.
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sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
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Never argue with an Idiot...... they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Peyton can put KC in the Super BOwl NEXT YEAR
enough said…….
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Sho nuff now
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sa Da Tay, wa da tah to the shama cow!
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that, however, is not a GUARANTEE
unless he buys 53 tickets to the game
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There are NO guarantees in ANY sport
the Miami heat lost in the finals last year….but guess what, they were at least IN the finals..
Peyton gives us the best chance to win with the talent that is already in KC….
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Peyton does?
Not Brees?
Not Brady?
Not Rodgers?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Since none of those are realistically leaving their respective teams in the foreseeable future.
I’d go on and demand you buy the next six rounds of shots for bringing that up.
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That wasn't part of the statement though
Statement was ‘Peyton gives us the best chance to win with the talent that is already in KC…..’ Just curious to why
One could make the case that Brees is more likely to leave his team due to actually being a FA and not under contract… ;)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Heh tell ya what, you go on and hold your breath til a team other than the saints signs him
(still waiting on my shots)
(seriously. it’s Friday. bring on the liquor, dammit)
(c’mon, can’t I sucker anyone out of six rounds of free shots?)
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Hey now
I’m waiting on pay check, you can wait too!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
F'in military and your not-getting-paid-every-week!
Slowing me down, man.
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Farm hand haha
Waiting on the check to go through from the sale yesterday, then gotta pay bills, then restocking the liquor cabinet
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
I know right
33000 and the banks are taking their sweet time
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
just looking to argue??
lets go!! Im a BAMF too!
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
Dude. This is AP.
Nobody in the history of forever here has just started arguing for the sake of arguing.
It just doesn’t happen. It’s unthinkable.
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it does too! happens all the time! WHO YOU CALLING ARGUMENTATIVE?!?
come on, I ain’t skeered! YO MAMA!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
What are we arguing?
I just asked a question in response to your statement
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Eh I'm down for an argument if thats what he wants, I don't care lol
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Yes!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
wow, i leave for 15 minutes and come back to all this
i was only joking, GAWD!…
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So were we.
It’s Friday.
Dipshittery abounds.
And I am not at all ashamed to lead the charge!
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I know man...im just talking shit too
Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli need to IMPRESS me in 2012....No Settling this year Chiefs Fans!!
YOU'RE TALKING SHIT TO ME?!?!
Bring it !!!!!!1111one
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Yeah apparently I really need something to do til I actually have work to mess with later this afternoon.
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Just scare all the kids away!
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't figure the entertainment would last long enough
for the effort to be worthwhile
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Good thing he said nothing about guarantees.
He said Peyton can put the Chiefs in the super bowl next year.
True, technically anything is possible. And you or I could put the Chiefs in the super bowl next year. But that’s just being nitpicky literal.
Realistically, Manning gives this team a very realistic chance to go to the super bowl next year. To where the odds would be far greater than they have for us since we had Montana.
I’ll happily take astronomically better odds of getting there than, say, hoping for that 1 in a million “Cassel makes it happen!” longshot.
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Yeah but whats the quote Pioli has loved saying lately?
He is not trying to build a 1 and done team, but a constant contender.. how does Manning fit that? haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Since he likes to develop young QBs instead of throwing them in immediately
It gives him the chance to do exactly that.
Win now while being groomed for the long run.
It’s a short term and long term win.
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Or we end up in a situation where we pay Manning a ton, he gets injured and is done
We are losing with a Painter-esque backup QB
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
which we could get for far less than Manning's salary
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
We already have em on roster as well
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
say, you don't suppose we could like ... actually SPEND that money on ... you know, OTHER players ... is that POSSIBLE?
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Nicks or a banged up iffy old Manning
Hmm.. tough choice
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Nicks, or ... DeCastro AND Bowe AND Carr AND ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Nicks, Carr, Tagged Bowe
and RGIII haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Hey I'll take that, too
There’s more than one way to be right.
Some are more likely than others, but none is the only way.
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It has to be either/or?
Didn’t realize they were mutually exclusive.
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Likely have a shot at 1 big FA after Carr and/or Bowe
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Okay. Carr and Bowe.
Manning for the 1 big FA.
Draft picks and journeymen for the gaps / depth.
Now let’s go win some playoff games.
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Pioli said he wants to draft a QB every year.
If trading up for Luck / RG3 is out of the question, then you still get your Wheedon, Tannehill, whoever to develop – along with Stanzi – and let the little chia pets grow.
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Tannehill has a broken bone in his foot
though he is widely regarded as 3rd best in this year’s group
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Right. So say we get Tannehill.
He gets 2-3 years for the foot to heal up nice and proper and be rehabbed to like-new condition, as well as learning the game from pro level coaches, Peyton Manning, and hands on experience at practice.
What’s not to like?
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people have been bad-mouthing Marty and the team precisely because Montana ONLY made it to the AFC Championship game
his biggest sin, of course, was losing to a Buffalo Bills team that happened to be one of the best teams of all time (how DARE we lose to the best ever alltime team in the NFL! obviously we must be losers, right?)
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Yeah, talk about being snake-bit
That era still stings. =/
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it was a big snake
imagine how Bills fans feel … 4 in a row, all losses
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Still a hell of a deal to make it to 4 in a row
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
oh HELL yeah
which is why I consider THAT team to be “the best” ever … as a whole, as a group … to get to the SB four times IN A ROW … nobody ever has or (arguably) ever will again
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Was just going to say I can't see any other team making it to 4 in a row again
It’s funny how much flak the Bills get for that, quite the achievement though
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, my closest friend is from Buffalo and a life long Bills fan.
Anytime he starts shit, all I have to do is just yell, “WIDE RIGHT!”
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oh man ... that's COLD
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He loses his bluster pretty quickly.
I try not to abuse it, though. =p
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we won't have to mortgage the future for him
just the rights to the stadium name.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Hey if he gets us to two super bowls and wins one of them
Manning Field at Arrowhead Stadium works for me.
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If we get him to two Superbowls and win one for him
he’ll name his next kid Arrowhead Stadium Manning.
My prediction
Peyton to the Jets, Jets trade out Sanchez, then we have epic Jets/Giants football, two brothers, two QBs.
We are too cheap for Peyton.
Jets/Giants superbowl?
They played in the regular season this year, it will be another 4 years until that happens
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Jets would have to work some salary cap magic.
But they would be among the logical landing spots for him.
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by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 13, 2012 10:29 AM CST reply actions
Would be crazy for Manning to try and return if he had a neck fusion
Fusion always gives you some decreased mobility to the neck. You see on those slow motion replays how players heads are twisted and turned and how much of a twist there is when the facemask is grabbed. It’s a bad enough risk when the neck has normal flexibility. Greater rigidity to the neck = higher risk of fracture and quadraplegia. Quarterbacks always have a higher risk as the D is always taking shots at them. Don’t see how he will be released medically.
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Man, if I had one of those in my neck, I'd lose mobility too.
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I know, huh! :-)
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Plus that aluminum can crinkling sound every time you turn your head has to be really distracting.
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News Flash.....Peyton will not sign with The Chiefs, reason, "The red uniforms will make my ass look too big"
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
that's only on TV
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It really does add 10 pounds, I can't really blame him ; )
"Well, I'm near the end and I... just ain't got the time........"
Good news...
we rarely wear the red pants.
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Montana/Manning Comparison
We coughed up draft picks for Montana. We are talking about signing Manning to a FA contract. HUGE DIFFERENCE
If you want to make actual football comparisons age, what they did/can do for us, go ahead.
But this is the biggest no brainer moves (barring Mannings healthly) ever!
The real question is does signing Manning put the brakes on either Carr and/or Bowe?
If so, do you still do it?
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions
Coughing up a ton of money or coughing up draft picks
In the end, what’s the difference?
The similarity between the two is that they’re both Hall of Famers in the last stretch of their careers. Granted we have a better receiving corps now than we did when we signed Montana. That’s the big difference.
Another reason it’s not a simple “no brainer” is exactly as you pointed out…if adds a new dynamic against the re-signing of Bowe/Carr. I think you’d have to find a way to keep Carr regardless. Peyton would also be a reason for Bowe to stay longer but if we can’t pay Bowe the long term money he is seeking, it’s possible he would want to test FA elsewhere unless he gets the costly franchise tag. If Bowe leaves you you risk injury to Manning, than that puts a major dent in our WR corps and puts us in a position similar to what the Colts went through this year…granted Cassel is a better back up than Curtis Painter.
It’s just that the Peyton dilemma is more complex than that.
Difference is
I’d rather dump money, than drafts picks, if you backed me in a corner. Point is, the Chiefs still have plenty of cap room, and have dished out a few cap friendly extensions, to establish a core of players. If for one time in history its time to open up the wallet and try something, right now would be a good time.
You sign Peyton, re-sign Carr who you can almost guarantee isn’t going to make more than 7.5 mil per. and tag Bowe. Maybe “no-brainer” isnt the correct terminolgy. But perfect storm might be better
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
Tough decision, I wouldn't fault Pioli for going one way or the other on this one
If Pioli passed on Manning and Manning took another teamt o the Super Bowl next year, I wouldn’t fault Pioli for it.
If Pioli brought Manning to KC and he flops big time, I wouldn’t fault Pioli either.
Without trying to sound like a broken record, their are obvious pro’s and cons no matter how you look at it and I think it’s tougher than a “no brainer.” There are easily justifications to be made to go either way with Peyton (pass on him or sign him if released).
yup
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i think thats the best thing ive heard on AP about this subject
Ive been arguing my ass off for 2 weeks about bringing him here…..but really youre right….if it happens great if it doesnt no biggie…..but, KC has to explore it IF he is available….they HAVE to in my opinion…if they dont, it tells me they are not really interested in winning….which will be sad
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I'd agree my fandom isnt hanging in the balance here
No Pey,
Back to looking at our own QB conundrum
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
for the people thinking colts will just " release manning"
You are dreaming….no way do they let this man walk without getting something for him..
As far as getting Manning, obviously anyone would want him..I am just not with what it would cost( pick wise) to get him…if we spend picks,get him,and make super bowl,it would be worth it..but it would be a one and done type team,not a winning team for years….now if we do all that and never go to Superbowl, it would be a major set back for us…I’d rather pass..JMHO, of course… : )
by TheScreenName on Jan 13, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Maybe you can explain what options the Colts have?
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
well before anyone comes down
I should have read more on this before opening mouth.. it would be actually better to release him…my fuck up..
by TheScreenName on Jan 13, 2012 11:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why?
If they get Andrew Luck (which they will) they haev a decision to make. If they keep Peyton after march, they have to pay him a HUGE bonus. If they pay him the HUGE bonus, they have to keep him, start him (with risk) and pay out his huge contract.
If they let him go, they skip out on his bonus and get to keep and develop Luck. They would actually be losing out by keeping him then trading him to another team who would have to honor his contract requirements (no team will do that, hence, they won’t get what they would be seeking out him).
In other words
No team will want the risk and price tag associated with his contract in a trade. It would take a release of Manning from his bonus and contract with the Colts for someone to pick him up.
And this ^^
is how legendary executives lose their job
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Guess like me, you dont read either
did you read the next thing I said where I said I was wrong
by TheScreenName on Jan 13, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I read it
But there was something about legendary exec’s biting the bullet that just… did something for me
by The Man with the Master Plan on Jan 13, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Not even with a rookie (or two) to groom behind him?
I don’t think anyone is saying do this instead of grooming a young QB.
It’s more of a “do it while grooming a young QB”.
What are the pitfalls of that last bit?
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Manning hasn't been able to groom his replacement, look at Painter
That is one big thing about him everyone does not bring up.. he is a great QB(was). He is the OC/coach… but he couldn’t prepare a back up all those years?
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Nobody said Manning has to do the grooming.
That’s what HC / OC / QB Coach are for.
It’s not Manning’s fault Painter sucks. And it’s not because of Favre that Rodgers is awesome.
But you take a talented guy, let him learn in a system that works, with receivers that are legit and coaches who know what the hell they’re doing, and he’ll turn out well.
Plus you’re forgetting the fact that Painter may just suck, no matter who tries to help him.
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A lot of people have brought up that Manning can coach up the young QB to have him ready when Manning is done
Hasn’t worked like that.
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
they said that Manning would not let the back up take any first team snaps in practice....
thats where ll the talk comes from him not wanting to groom a younger replacement…
Montana didnt exactly like Steve Young either…
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Nah. If we get Manning, it won't be for him to coach up his replacement.
It’ll be so we can win in the short term, and meanwhile his replacement can be brought up to speed and be ready to take over when he’s done.
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Not to mention that leaves draft picks free for getting O Line.
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If we get Manning by Indy releasing him?
We wouldnt need an OC because Manning would be calling his own plays and running the offense. We would have to upgrade OL by draft and FA to protect him and help our running game. Manning with a running game = Super Bowl. I’m just day dreaming that we get Manning plus a young QB to be an understudy of him.
Really?
Everyone would want Manning if he became available
Here are teams I don’t think have any interest in Peyton Manning
Packers
Patriots
Steelers
Lions
Falcons
Giants
Chargers
That’s more than 25% of the 31 teams who do not have Peyton Manning, and there are arguably a few more…
Oh, and not only is his 40 time terrible, but he also looks a lot like a giraffe when he runs, so no Oakland in picture either =)
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
There are more teams than this with no interest
Panthers, Cowboys, Saints, Bears, doubt even the bills, Texans, colts, rams, bengals, ravens would be interested. I’d say its way over half the teams wouldn’t be interested. and throw out the raiders, no way in hell peyton would play for them or completely dysfunctional or complete rebuilding franchises like the Browns/Bucs
by Arrowhead25 on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Never count out the Cowboys haha
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah especially when it comes to spending stupid amounts of money and possible publicity stunts
They’re always in the discussion when it comes to that.
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Off the subject but
Makes me wonder if Oakland will still go for speed first in the draft now that Al’s gone
Nope they will now throw away all their picks at old players like Palmer
Or busts like Curry
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
zQuestion is
do they stick with Palmer with Hue Jackson gone? Or do they try to land Matt Flynn by giving up MORE picks
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
I think they have to stick with Palmer.
They gave up too much in trading for him and put themselves in the hole deep enough, so throwing away more picks to get Flynn would/should be out of the question…then again, we are talking about the RAIDERS
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by 65TossPwrTrap on Jan 13, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
If Flynn even require picks, they may just let him walk
However they have to stick with Palmer IMO, too much invested in him
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Lots of IF'S here...
IF Peyton Manning is RELEASED…. they have said they won’t TRADE him. But I think they do let him go if they are wise.
IF Peyton passes a physical… Fusion is no joke, but if he can play, HE WILL PLAY. The man is a competitor. You all know this.
IF you have a good enough team for him to play with… As a free agent, he’ll go where he wants to. If you were a competitor like Peyton. With no more than 3 years left, reasonably, where would you go? To a team that has weapons for you to use? Check. To a team that can compete with you? Check. Are the Chiefs that kind of team? CHECK.
If we sign Peyton, Bowe re-signs. Almost guaranteed. Carr likely would re-sign. Between your draft picks and the rest of the free agent money you’d have… along with getting rid of Cassel… you can shore up the Offensive Line and give yourself enough depth to make a run the next two years, maybe three.
This would be a dream offseason plan. Of course, the emphasis is on DREAM, but it’s still in the realm of possibility. Plus, I think Manning knows he could almost single-handedly win the AFC West. That means he’s IN THE PLAYOFFS. Agreed?
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The AFC West bit is a good point.
That may almost rule the Jets out of the equation.
AFC East is pretty fierce.
AFC West, or Niners in the NFC West are his most direct routes to the playoffs.
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And the Niners are the other realistic team that might decide to go after him.
I’m not sure they’ve got as many offensive weapons, but Frank Gore would make Peyton’s life a little easier and maybe less punishing to his neck.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
And someone please try to tell me that we aren't the odds on favorite to win the AFC West if Peyton is on the team.
Please try. At least we could stop hearing about Tebow. It’s be all about Peyton and the Chiefs.
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I don't know. The Chargers always seem to be odds on favorites.
But with Manning… the Chiefs would be absolute favorites.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
On AP.. Chiefs are the favorite
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Are you sure?
Maybe we should take a poll. It seems highly unlikely that the Chiefs are favorites on Arrowhead Pride. I call shenanigans.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Damn I wasn't expecting to be called out on that one :/
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 13, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
There are 4 Big Ifs on Peyton
1. Is he healthy enough to ever play again? If so see #2
2. Will Colts release him? If so:
3. Will he pick the Chiefs? Manning won’t be playing for money, he’ll be playing to win. JC, WR Corp if they keep bowe, Romeo, KC (he’s got to be used to small market teams and comfortable with it, he doesn’t need NYC media) and Chiefs D wiould be a lot more attractive than most of other teams interested in him. If so:
4. Will Clark/Pioli want to go this route? High risk, High reward. Expectations would be sky high. Neither clark or pioli are risk takers.
It all seems like a very long shot at best.
i don't see the risk
some $ maybe, but i think you make the $ back. He would put butts in the seats and also push merch. I think the Chiefs would have to commit to OL in the draft to convince him to head to KC. With his injury, i think OL is the biggest requirment the competing teams need. He will only go where the protection is.
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 13, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
"IF" we were to take a risk on Peyton....
Why not take a risk on RG3? Both high risk high reward…but one will play for 4-5 more seasons (max) and the other will play for 15-16 more seasons.
Personally… I think the smart move is to just go with Cassel and build up our team to insert a great new QB in the near future.
Point is, Peyton and RG3 are BOTH high risk high reward pick ups
Their risks might be different..but both high. However, I think the reward of keeping a top QB for 15 years instead of 5 is a lot more promising. Again, either way, I wouldn’t take the risk on either one.
Point is,
the price for trading from 12 up to 2 is likely to be WAY too high…and even if you think RG3 is a complete stud, drafting a QB is still a coin flip. Akili Smith comes to mind.
by AnkenyChiefsFan on Jan 26, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Look at it this way...
Signing Manning might be the only way to rid ourselves of Cassel.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Don't see it happening
I am a huge Manning fan but this is not Pioli’s style. Building for the future through the draft and building a solid foundation for the future. I know Pioli plugs th gaps with some older FA’s but those aquisitions are usually low cost, low risk.
I’d bet more on RGIII trade up then getting Peyton but my gut says it’s Orton or Cassle for our future. I wouldn’t be to upset if it was Orton.
by loyal Chief fan on Jan 13, 2012 1:02 PM CST reply actions
I don't think this has a snowball's chance in
hell of happening. BUT, if Manning walked and the Chiefs signed him, we would be instant Super Bowl contenders. Of course we would need a couple of offensive line pieces but we would be sitting pretty. Add in an experienced OC such as Al Saunders and we would be (dare I say it) almost front runners in the Super Bowl race.
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Cap room inquiry
Say Peyton is healthy and cleared, if we were to resign bowe to a franchise tag, carr to long term, and use draft picks on O-line, TE/defensive depth, would Nicks or one of the premier NT be out of our price range still? Or would it be a DeCastro and 2nd-round Rt be the only feasible option? Seems that Manning would give us the best chance to groom a young QB since the past three years have shown us that drafting a first round QB with Pioli is highly unlikely to happen.
I think it all depends on how that money is structured in the contracts.
Let’s say Carr and Bowe both sign. Give Carr a contract that steadily increases over the 5 or 6 years he’d want. I’d give Bowe a contract that doesn’t change much from year to year. Give them some creative incentive pay options. Stats, wins, playoff wins, etc.
Manning’s contract would be for probably 3 years. Even if he doesn’t play all three. He’s probably going to want close to what he had coming to him. Maybe not the full amount, but close. I don’t know if we can swing it. We might have to be willing to give up either Carr or Bowe. If they were to sign Manning, I think they let Carr walk. (I’m thinking Carr will be gone anyway and they’ll draft his replacement) The defense might take a hit, but the offense more than compensates with a big jump. I don’t think Nicks would be an option, but I could be wrong. I’d expect them to be aggressive enough to sign one lineman before the draft, then find the other one in the draft itself.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Lilja might actually play himself to death for Manning.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, Bowe, Orton, McClain, Gordon(in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
Manning in KC would be unreal
He instantly makes our team a juggernaut. You go into the draft, trade down, acquire an extra second or third, draft two linemen and a stud NT early. DOMINATE
There are no stupid questions just stupid people
Yes.
If he’s healthy throw the damn farm at him. They won’t keep him healthy or not. Can’t afford it.
Who needs an OC when he calls the damn plays and makes up the game plans anyways? (sarcasm people)
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Still unsure how the Colts will handle drafting Luck.
Typically, rookie QBs that start immediately have success (Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, Matthew Stafford come to mind) but their is no guaranteed. Luck could learn a lot from Manning as a backup but I don’t see the Colts giving both Luck and Manning fat contracts and giving them very little cap room to sign their free agents and other rookies. So Manning will most likely leave if they intend to make Luck start right away. While Manning coming to KC would be awesome, I still think getting a franchise QB that we can have for 12-15 years is a much better solution. Cassel is pretty much done, maybe has one more year left to prove he can be a winning QB for the long term. I just don’t see Pioli coughing up draft picks to the Colts to trade for Manning or even sacrificing cap room for a player as elite as Manning that has no guarantees that he’ll play a feel season after the amount of neck procedures he went under in the last year.
Get Peyton and go for it......
Peterson signed MONTANA and went for it……….Pioli…..show you have COCONUTS as big as KING CARLS……and get Manning and GO FOR IT!!!!……….
Dream.....
Wait for Manning to be released for medical issues and then sign him as a QB coach to train Stanzi….wait two years then Profit
TOUCHDDDOOOWWWNNN KANSAS CITY!
800+ AND 350+
Tha is the amount of comments on yesterday’s “Trade up” topic and this one on Manning! I really hope that Pioli listens to someone other to his Ego! The fans have lost faith in Matt Cassel!
WAR Kansas City Chiefs KINGDOM!!!
by Jason Drue Keith on Jan 13, 2012 7:52 PM CST reply actions
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