Observations of The Worst Offensive Lines in 2011
A while ago I had broken down into a system to look at the best offensive lines in 2011 (Located HERE). This was used in comparison to where we compare in these stats that I compiled . So now I want to take a look at the worst passing offensive lines and figure out who the arguably are the worst passing teams are and what the average draft position is for each team. In this research I will break down the statistics of each of these teams and the positions as a whole to help us better understand how a line should not be put together (At least theoretically).
Again, the weakness in this study will be that I’m only doing this for this year (as it will take plenty of time to put just one year together. Maybe if I decide to do this year after year, or go backwards to study, this will become a stronger study). There are other variables such as elite quarterbacks that will skew statistics. For this reason I am taking only the bottom 11 passing offenses (the Chiefs were in the bottom). I would like us to not have one of the worst passing offenses in f every aspect of the game. So I think looking at the bottom 10 passing offense would be a good next step. Taking the bottom 10 passing offenses also helps equalize variability by having an elite QB. A variable that could also skew these numbers is injuries to the offensive line.
The offensive lines that I broke down are the Jaguars, Broncos, Browns, Dolphins, Rams, 49ers, Vikings, Colts, Bears, and Seahawks. (Worst is subjective terminology, but I went with the consistent worst stats in passing categories). I chose this route because if the big guys are doing their job up front then the other members on the team have the best chance of creating these stats (again subjective). If the guys up front aren't doing their job then we have guys flat passing stats.
There were four main categories that I wanted to observe to identify how these teams built their respective offensive lines. The first two categories go hand in hand -- round and draft spot. This will help identify when these players were drafted. The draft number is used to help pinpoint the position in the round that would be best to develop a player at a specific position. I used the category ‘Drafted by’ to help determine whether the players are developed in house, or if they were free agents. The numbers closest to one mean they were more consistently free agents. The numbers closer to 0 mean they were more consistently developed in house. The last category is the amount of NFL experience. I suspect that the amount of experience that is on the line will help tell a story about the other statistics.
So let us begin:
First let us look at the teams as a whole:
| Team | Round | Draft # | Drafted by: | Experience |
| Jaguars | 4.142857 | 107.7143 | 0.428571 | 5 |
| Broncos | 3.777778 | 111 | 0.444444 | 4.111111 |
| Browns | 4 | 121.8889 | 0.555556 | 4.777778 |
| Dolphins | 2.571429 | 68.57143 | 0.571429 | 5.428571 |
| Rams | 5.142857 | 154 | 0.714286 | 5.714286 |
| 49ers | 3.666667 | 111.3333 | 0.111111 | 3.888889 |
| Vikings | 6.25 | 198.625 | 0.25 | 4 |
| Colts | 5.125 | 157.125 | 0.25 | 4.125 |
| Bears | 4.25 | 112.75 | 0.5 | 4.5 |
| Seahawks | 3.857143 | 106 | 0.714286 | 3.571429 |
| Average | 4.278373 | 124.9008 | 0.453968 | 4.511706 |
| Min | 2.571429 | 68.57143 | 0.111111 | 3.571429 |
| Max | 6.25 | 198.625 | 0.714286 | 5.714286 |
| STD | 1.009068 | 36.02477 | 0.200903 | 0.702384 |
What we find out by this is teams like the Vikings get their offensive linemen later in the draft. These numbers are most likely skewed as a couple of their linemen this year are rookies, and undrafted free agents (UDFA’s were labeled with as an 8th round pick, and +1 from the Mr. Irrelevant pick). The Vikings have a relatively low score in comparison to these teams. This means that most of the players are developed in house (any higher and I would consider this as an even mixture of free agents and home talent .33-.66).
If I apply the standard deviation from these stats it also tells me that the Seahawks, and Rams have looked outside of their organization to fill the offensive line. The Rams also wait significantly later in the draft for their offensive lines. While, from what we found from the earlier fanshot, the Packers, Lions, and Giants acquire their offensive linemen earlier in the draft.The Rams have offensive line is older than most of the line of the worst and best. This is a must upgrade year for them.
The Dolphins on the other hand have plenty of talent in the earlier rounds. Yet their offensive line is getting old as seen above.
So how do the Chiefs matchup?
--------------------------(-Round/-- Draft #/-- Drafted/-- Experience)------------------------------------------
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Chiefs |
5.5 |
165.375 |
0.125 |
4.625 |
The Chiefs average offensive line is usually found after these teams in the draft, and by using standard deviation this is by a significant amount. We are a team that likes to develop our offensive line in house. I did count Lilja as he started for us… The overall experience level is right near the middle on the lower side. This suggests to me with some tweaking and given more time together that this team could easily be in the top ten offensive lines of 2012 as this isn't a super old team. With Casey Weigmann leaving this will decrease our experience, but with another year of experience this will absorb much of this blow.
In order to find out where we might go to tweak the line lets explore how we compare to these teams at different positions on the line.
Lets start with right tackle:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Round/--------/Draft #/-----/ Drafted/-------/Experience)-----
| Average | 4.571429 | 135.3333 | 0.428571 | 3.285714 | |
| Min | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | |
| Max | 8 | 257 | 1 | 10 | |
| STD | 2.712405 | 97.78156 | 0.507093 | 2.610419 |
Taking the standard deviation from the average position we find out that taking a right tackle wouldn't be taken in the first round. Yet 40% of the best offensive lines that I’m looking at have a first round right tackle. 50% of the worst offensive lines have a starting right tackle that was drafted after the 5th round. Some of the first round right tackles were prospects at LT, but playing (so lets keep that in perspective). The standard deviation suggests that taking a right tackle with the number 3 position might be within reason. More often than not there is going to be a better player that presents itself at the number 3 position.
Barry Richardson is in his fourth year and sits right at that sweet spot for these offensive lines. Using standard deviation we find that he slightly falls out of range of the draft number. Richardson’s years of experience should tell us by now if he is the guy at right tackle. These stats and our own eyes tell us that the right tackle must be upgraded this offseason. (Doing a quick peep… Richardson does fall into a good backup according to the backup role stats).
Now on to the right guards
------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Round/-------------------/Draft #/--------/ Drafted/------/Experience)-----
| Average | 4.066667 | 117.0667 | 0.4 | 5.466667 |
| Min | 1 | 19 | 0 | 1 |
| Max | 8 | 256 | 1 | 11 |
| STD | 2.250926 | 78.29748 | 0.507093 | 3.136574 |
We have found that the average of the worst offensive teams drafted a right guard in the 4th round.Using standard deviation we find that it a right guard would be expected after the 6th pick in the 2nd round. Yet we also find that they wait until early in the 6th round. There are outliers like Anthony Herrera and H Dahl that were undrafted. V Carey and C. Spencer are an outlier that were drafted in the first(all that are aging vets).
Pioli drafted Jon Asamoah in the 3rd round in 2010. Going by these stats this was the perfect place to draft a right guard. There were no backup positions to look up for right guard in particular.
Now for the centers
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Round/--------/Draft #/-----/ Drafted/-------/Experience)-----
| Average | 4.2 | 120.05 | 0.45 | 6.2 | |
| Min | 1 | 15 | 0 | 1 | |
| Max | 8 | 262 | 1 | 16 | |
| STD | 2.397367 | 79.66078 | 0.510418 | 4.274773 |
Again I’m using standard deviation to tell me where the starting point and end points to start drafting a new center. Pouncey and Mack are the only centers taken in the 1st round on this list. Using standard deviation one would believe that taking a center that early is unnecessary. Taking a center in the 2nd round is where we would get the better value. This value is shown with picks like Meester, and Unger in the 2nd round. Unger is much younger and should help out the Seahawks as they continue to rebuild their offensive line.
Ideally if we had a pick in the 19th range of the 2nd round (pick 51), we would be doing well. Lucky for us Hudson falls right at that cutoff. Yet if Peter Konz somehow fell into our laps in round 2 I would not complain. Many of the worst offensive line in 2011 have gone the free agent route. This appears to be a significant difference than teams with the best offensive lines.
Now to left guards
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Round/--------/Draft #/-----/ Drafted/-------/Experience)-----
| Average | 4.8 | 145.2 | 0.533333 | 4.2 | |
| Min | 1 | 2 | 0 | 1 | |
| Max | 8 | 262 | 1 | 10 | |
| STD | 2.808151 | 99.94799 | 0.516398 | 3.363671 |
The left guard position as you can see has similar stats as the right guard. The left guards appear to be drafted slightly later than the right guards. Yet the left guards are slightly younger than the right guards. Gallery, and Iupati both were taken in the first round. While Gallery is getting older, Iupati is a younger lineman and will grow in the 49ers offense. I expect when I take a look at the best running offensive lines that the 49ers are in there, and Iupati has a larger role in that success.
Finally the Left Tackle
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Round/---------------/Draft #/-------------/Drafted by/----------/Experience)-----
| Average | 4.3125 | 127.875 | 0.25 | 3.3125 |
| Min | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 |
| Max | 8 | 263 | 1 | 8 |
| STD | 3.341033 | 117.2501 | 0.447214 | 1.956826 |
We already have a vested interest in Brandon Albert... What is interesting is that many of these elite offenses have found diamonds in the rough during the later rounds. With that said 70 percent of the worst offensive linesfound a franchise Left Tackle that was drafted in the 1st round. The only reason I make this point is because of the notion that is stated often "In order to have an elite offensive line you must have an elite left tackle" and "In order to have an elite left tackle one must draft one in the first round". So maybe these guys need more time to grow at the LT position, or maybe other pieces to the offensive line is dragging them in to be pointed at in this discussion.
So I have shown these stats… I know of other things to discuss with these stats but given the length of the posts left them out. Feel free to state the obvious. How do you believe that we should proceed in fixing the line? What do you like, and what would you like to see in the future?
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Great write up and nice leg work.
Definitely not a fanshot.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
LOL ... ya think!
Definitely not a fanshot
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Thanks for this.
Well research and good thinking points.
Going to have to mull this over, and re-read it again when I have more time to digest all the info before really trying to speak on it.
Nicely done.
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I know this because I’ve made the same resolution many times. So, I’ve written your opinions for you below. Since I’m a good guy, I’ve made sure that they are insightful and correct opinions. You’re welcome.
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That's pretty nice of you. And thoughtful.
Will you go grocery shopping for me this afternoon, too? I’d really like to just go straight home from work today.
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OK, but understand that I survive on food that I can completely prepare in six minutes or less.
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Well then we probably have the same grocery list.
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nice work, but I ain't much of a numbers guy. From my eyes, RT needs the priority
upgrade, followed by Center. I also believe Lidja will be serviceable if he has a better center next to him. Casey was a much appreciated veteran, but wasn’t able to stand and hold the line when needed, and showed he had little stamina for a grueling season.
I'm with ya...
visual test says that we need to go fix the RT. There were way to many false starts on that side and those penalties killed us.
Interior of the line we can become creative… we shall see how that turns out.
Go Chiefs!!!!
raven, you didn't include OUR OLine? I'm stunned ... awesome as usual! now, can we please get on with obtaining DeCastro, et al ... please!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Our offensive line is up there...
I really blew through this one compared to the last one… I really wanted to get to use some other statistical software to see how things are going, but the license was past due. I’ll have to go to my office on campus and see if the software is available for use there.
If I can use this software I’ll put out a piece on the interior line just for you, next week. Then the tackles, and then I’ll work on the running game. Lastly I’ll want to put together a post that incorporates the best and worse passing/running offensive lines.
Go Chiefs!!!!
I think that you will like the next one when I'm comparing the interior.
There will be less numbers in it… I promise. If I get to use this other software I’ll have plenty of graphs.
;)
Go Chiefs!!!!
I love this series of yours. Too bad it's sliding off the front page so fast....
Some semi-observations and hasty conclusions comparing the best and worst teams:
Not much difference in overall draft position, but pretty clear differences in drafted by and experience. Looks like the best build through the draft significantly more, and have a little more experience.
Marked difference between best and worst with RT draft position. I remember speculating about this in your other post, that the best teams’ right tackles were drafted high because they were “failed” left tackles. But the best teams drafted their own RTs more often than the worst teams, so…..
The best teams’ left tackles are significantly older than the worst teams’, which leads me to think that the highly drafted right tackles on the best teams are meant to be heirs apparent to the aging left side. BUT, the best teams’ right tackles are OLDER than the worst teams’, which seems to blow that theory up.
So I’m left thinking that I might be looking for purpose where there is none. The only pattern I can think of on about three minutes’ thought is that the best teams seem to have doubled down on tackles with a high draft pick about two years after their left tackle came into the league. But there might easily be no correlation at all between the two tackle spots.
Difference in tackles – Best teams’ left side has more experience, and right side was more highly drafted (with presumably more natural talent) than the worst teams’. And the best teams drafted their right tackles more often. Other tackle stat differences seem negligible. This suggests to me that the best teams could afford the luxury of a highly drafted right tackle because the rest of their team was good at that point.
Center is the most experienced position on the worst teams, but only third most experienced on the best teams. Yet, both sets’ centers have about the same experience. Experience seems to be very important, especially for pass protection since the most experienced linemen are the left side of the best teams’ lines.
Left guard, like center, is more often drafted and has more experience on the best teams. Right guard differences seem negligible.
My overall take is that the best teams keep their lines together significantly longer. Drafted by + experience => MAJOR continuity advantage for the best teams. Only difference in draft position is at right tackle, and I theorize that is because that is one of the first and best spots to take a luxury pick when the rest of your team is solid.
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by Brsrkr on Jan 13, 2012 2:34 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I also have a theory about this:
What is interesting is that many of these elite offenses have found diamonds in the rough during the later rounds. With that said 70 percent of the worst offensive linesfound a franchise Left Tackle that was drafted in the 1st round.
Teams that already have good offenses due to other factors (quarterback and/or all-around solid line) don’t bother to draft a left tackle in the first round. Teams that have bad offenses follow the current traditional method of improvement by drafting a left tackle as the first building block. The corollaries would seem to be that you don’t need a first round left tackle to have a good offense, and that a first round left tackle won’t lift your offense even to mediocrity by himself.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Another corollary: Don't trade up for a left tackle.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Each teams needs vary, so assuming things from draft to draft is really a moot point as it a
changing dynamic year to year.
Yes. My basic observation was that a first round left tackle doesn't seem to reduce a team's level of fail by himself.
So a team with several needs should not give away picks for a left tackle even if they think he’s a lock (or as much of a lock as any college prospect can be). But the presence of a top-tier QB would skew that observation since he CAN make an offense look much better by himself.
You’re right, every team is different and has different needs every year. But if we didn’t try to see patterns and predict things, a bunch of statisticians would be unemployed, and we as a country can’t afford that. You do love America, don’t you?
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Don't get me started about what America needs, and as for unemplyed numbers guys, c'mon man.
Who needs numbers guys when there ain’t no money anyway? Har Har
These are all great points...
If the team’s offensive line sucked say 6 years ago, and thus drafted a left tackle to begin a rebuild. It would be interesting to project these numbers and see where teams are after say 4 years. Then see those that went in a route from worst to first, and see how they pieced things together. Its not until I do this that real answers will be had… everything else is just speculation.
Go Chiefs!!!!

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