Top 5 Most Important Kansas City Chiefs For 2012
by Joel Thorman on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 AM CST
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Consistency and championships?
Please provide an actual quote for that. Because all I’ve heard is “competitive” and “process”.
I do agree with the list though. And probably in that order.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
They always say that's what they want
Saying something and actions are two different things, though.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
I believe the exact line I've heard a few times
“consistently compete for championships”
by Joel Thorman on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
but for that to happen, something needs to change ... radically change
you nailed it in the last post: we need to finish the OLine instead of doing this piece-meal as has been the case since Pioli got here
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I think Pioli is just trying to hard
to put this team together the same way the Pats put that team together. He has to realize the same formula doesn’t work for everyone.
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and the Pats, I think, had it together to begin with ... and have more or less been keeping it together
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Well all teams consistently compete for championships during
week 1. It is just that several teams like to fade off earlier than most.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
by XtaC69Chief on Jan 11, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
nice!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Shouldn't we want to win championships
didn’t we compete for a championship this year??
by chieftimbob on Jan 11, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Super Bowl Championships
not just settle for Div title , which I think would make them happy and feel like their competing.
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sometimes I wonder how they would do that chalk outline, if you pushed someone into a tree chipper.
Brandon Carr is more important than bowe because of the fact that if we lose carr we need to draft CB early. Not the same case with bowe
by chiefnation on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think maybe Carr hits at #6 or maybe should bump Baldwin at #5.
Or you could make a case for Jalil Brown possibly being that #6.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
he's not a player, but #1 is
Scott Pioli
Huge offseason for him.
I think he'll deliver.
He’ll re-sign both Bowe and Carr (or franchise one). He’ll get Kyle Orton to stay (I hope). He’ll have a good draft.
I'll take it further...
Top 5 most important Chiefs for 2012:
1. Pioli
2. QB (whoever that is)
3. OC (whoever that is)
4. JC
5. Berry
2 and 3 will be decided by 1. As will a host of other FA and draft decisions. He needs to have a great offseason. I think he can…just hope he will.
The QB...............
who has yet to be named
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My list.
1. Houston/Tamba
2. Carr/Flowers
3. Eric Berry/Kendrick Lewis
4. Derrick Johnson
5. Whoever is NT
Lets be honest until there’s a better solution at QB this team will live and die based on it’s defense.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
I know Cassel and Orton have about the same stat line
but Cassel has always had an elite receiver to throw the ball to and put up his average numbers. Orton has had a good receiver only 2 of his years (one with Marshall and one with Lloyd). I think Orton is the better QB hands down.
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Lloyd is incredibly overrated and McD and Orton made him that way
Lloyd never had a year over 800 yards prior to that one year. I think his high was 770 or something like that and he had been in the league like 7 years. Lloyd is a good receiver but not that good.
You are right though, Orton has never had a good receiving corp, in either Denver or Chicago. Nothing like he would have here.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
watch ... Lloyd will follow McHoodie to the Pats where he'll catch passes from Tom Brady
… and be instantly crowned the best WR since the dawn of football
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Maybe. I think he can do well in the right situation and that could be one of the few.
He’s a KC boy so I root for him but he’s had one good year in the league and multiple bad ones.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Everyone I've ever heard talk about him that knows his personality has said he's a GIANT douchebag though, even in his days at Blue Springs
There’s a reason he’s been on several teams in the last few years. Hard to root for a guy who makes my hometown area look like garbage.
Difference between Orton and Cassel is
If we give Orton tools around him I believe he can do something with them. With Cassel he may be able to at times but he will always need to be protected with an insane running game and the lead.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
agreed, Foz ... and I agree with Thorman (waht's gotten into me? or into Joel ... two posts in a row!)
But I do think Orton throws a better deep ball. And the Chiefs have a lot of time and money invested at receiver. Wouldn’t you want a quarterback who can take advantage of the position where you have lots of money invested? Me too.
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I agree, I think Orton is a better passer than Cassel
He throws a much more catchable ball. In his 3 games receivers rarely had to jump amd stretch out to catch a ball, stop and reach behind them. With Cassel I always wait for him to get a receiver killed. One reason I think he would do better in a Coryell offense. Make him throw to a point instead of a receiver.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
but not sure he can go downfield as much as a Coryell vertical offense would require
he would do better in a Coryell offense. Make him throw to a point instead of a receiver
maybe in some West Coast where it’s all timing and throwing to a point, but in shorter chunks … more ball control
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sounds good
better than the current chiefs offense run for 1 yard, run for -2 yard, and throw for 11 yards.
Yeah, but his arm is every bit as good as Green's and Green was able to pull of Saunders offense
Maybe I am wrong but I don’t remember Green having a strong arm.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
I still don't think Matt Cassel is inconsistant.
He’s servicable in a well coached, well tuned offense with playmakers all around him and a great running game.
He’s terrible when all the stars aren’t aligned.
I know it, most of AP now knows it, not sure how the coaching staff doesn’t know this yet. Maybe they do, but it sure sounds like Romeo still believes in Matt :(
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 AM CST reply actions
isn't this the definition of inconsistent?
serviceable in a well coached, well tuned offense AND terrible when all the stars aren’t aligned
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
compare orton packers game to oakland and broncos
inconsistent
he might get high yards but didn’t get very far or he stutters along the way
remember, quality over quantity
Orton was had only played in 3 games
and if not for the dropped TD pass or blocked FG we beat Oakland and he would have led us to the playoffs and probably a win over the Steelers since we almost beat them with #4
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I put the stuttering on the OC
and a lack of a running game. Get a new OC, beef up the oline, and get our injured guys back and Orton will kill it. Orton looked better then Cassel and Orton didn’t have JC or ToMo.
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by EricBerryYoYouScary on Jan 11, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
What's Romeo going to say?
“I’m really not comfortable with the only QB with starting experience on our roster.”
yeah, that would be refreshing to hear
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He can't do that.
Especially if Matt’s the only guy we have! You can’t ruin his confidence like that.
I rather have Romeo say
“matt, you suck. Deal with it. You can either 1) prove me wrong or 2) GTFO of my face”
remember these are grown men. They can either win or get fired
Romeo may (have) said that
But to Matt, in private.
Not at a presser. Time and place right?
I don’t want my HC taking a conversation like that public. Do you?
by Eastcoastransplant on Jan 11, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
What was he supposed to say?
it sure sounds like Romeo still believes in Matt :(
Right now, Matt Cassel is the best QB on the roster for next year. Hopefully that changes and we get a QB that can take control of a game. Plus, the things I’ve read and heard make it sound like RAC is hinting he wants Orton to return (not that Orton is a massive improvement).
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
One day I will figure out how to properly use the block quotes function....
by Chiefs4Life on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Just ctrl-v in the space between the > and the <. No spaces next to the > or the <.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
Or ctrl-v first, highlight the text, then click on quote.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
When RAC said he wouldn't be the coach if it wasn't for Orton
to me it sounded like he was saying to Pioli please bring Orton back so we can have a chance to win.
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To me it sounded like a guy who was saying
Thank you for helping me get this job. Good luck wherever you end up.
by kcsno56 on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
To me it sounded like a guy saying he probably wouldn't be the head coach if it wasn't for Orton.
But I’m told that I lack imagination.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I guess I do too.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
yea thats wat hes
Saying to scott BUT we understand him and hear clear as far as scott he understands he just doesnt hear all the “hoopla” I wish there was some way we can write to the front office just let scott know of all the fans that support kyle.
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think some would argue that Haley's coaching of Cassel
was the problem, and under a different coach like Wiess Cassel will be fine..
I said some, not me.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
I would compare matt cassel to Alex Smith
Horrible his first 4 years (or was it 3?). Jim Harbaugh came in and made him into a semi-pro bowler
I hate to say this but there may be something to that
I personally have had enough of watching cassel run this “offense” if thats what you call it. I hate his presence in the pocket, his inability to find the open reciever, his uncanny abillity to dump the ball off short even when there is NO PRESSURE WHAT SO EVER and his inability to throw beyond 10 yards (I know a bit harsh but not that far off).
With that said, it became obvious after Haley left that the BS about play confussion and getting play calls in late seems to follow him right out the door hmmm. However even with that BS gone Cassel is still the same QB that cannot read a defense nor find the open guy so while there may be something to it Cassel is still Cassel, we have all watched him play
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
Hear ya! loud and clear.
While both Cassel and Orton suffered from an inconsistant O-Line and lack of a run threat that could exploit an opening or cut back for a big gain, Orton was clearly better at “seeing the field” and making a quicker decision where to go. Orton would benefit from more time to get aqainted with WRs too. He was not on same page many times. I see Orton as the greater potential but the one more likely to get a better offer and hit the road. His decision, not Chief’s.
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I can agree with that as well but I think what we are seeing is a guy who was given his only starting gig without ever having to compete so we dont see the improvement that we shouldve been seeing from age 26-29 that competition wouldve brought out of him
by Willie Beamon on Jan 11, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
What would you say if you were Romeo?
You have MC under contract and you don’t have KO under contract. Say you’d much rather have KO. Are you going to go on the microphone and say that? Nope. You’d going to say exactly what RAC said. Talk KO up and don’t end up getting him and you’ve alienated your starting QB. If they really want KO, then go get him. Just do it quietly.
I don’t like the silence during the season, but right now it’s a necessary evil.
I agree
I think he is okay if he is given time and tools. I think a lot of our Cassel inconsistency is because of the O-Line, WR and RB inconsistency. Another problem is probably because of our consistent play calling – draw, delayed draw, throw….draw, delayed draw, throw…draw……see a pattern there? I’ll bet the defences do as well.
After seeing how the team played with Orton you honestly believe that? It’s more like the OL, WR, RB, and play-calling suffers because of Cassel, not the other way around.
"Hater" is a term used by weak-minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
I have seen when Cassel has good pass protection,
he completes his passes, both short and long and seems to have more poise in the pocket. That is why I agreed with Craig. If we give him 3-5 seconds instead of 1-3 he performs much better. And is more consistent.
Now Orton was getting decent protection in his three games. I didn’t see him running for his life every second play. So if you compare Orton from his three games to Cassel from last year. End result won’t be much different.
Why did Dwayne Bowe have to give Cassel a pro bowl year?
I’m so sick of this QB… All he does is check down unless Bowe makes a spectacular move. Now…people think he can do it again. I’ve never seen a quarterback as jittery in the pocket as Matt Cassel. It’s like there’s a mini earthquake under his feet if there is the slightest hint of pressure.
Cade McCown
Bear QB a few years back was worse lol. Looked like Opie Taylor running around with his hair on fire.
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
QB is definitely the most important
Personally I really want to see us bet the farm and go for RG3 (or Luck if possible). Until we get an elite QB we will never be an elite team.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure that it is true, but what I'm hearing
is that Washington may give up 4 draft picks to get to RG3.. I would hope not that much since it means basically giving away more of the draft picks to get there.
by Bigcherokeechief on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
most of the time, when you bet the farm you lose it
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
So stand pat with the status quo?
This team is built to win but is missing the most important part by far!
I’d never EVER blame Pioli (or anyone) for taking the chance on getting a guy like RG3, even if he crashes miserably. Better than doing nothing and wasting our cores elite best years.
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
Well, as long as you wouldn't blame him.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Ok, what's your take?
Who’s our QB in 2012 and forward?
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I hope Orton
with a draft pick to battle Stanzi for backup.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
I rather have matt, orton, stanzi, & 4th battle it out for starter
and have romeo constantly remind the starter, if you fuck up someone will take your job
They're not going to carry 4 QBs.
I wouldn’t mind Cassel as a backup, but I’d rather get a mid-round draft pick for him, if possible.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
So, you go into preseason planning to cut at least your new draft pick or Stanzi?
That seems like a waste of a draft pick or Stanzi.
Who is everybody?
Who has seen him play in the NFL?
Todd said a 5th round rookie Qb is not ready to play in the NFL remember
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RAC didn't have much confidence in him.
sure he was over palko, but he didn’t get any chances under RAC
RAC said Stanzi would play if Orton was still injured
and you don’t bring in $2 million to ride the bench
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RAC was coaching for his job
And went with Orton over Stanzi. That hardly means, ‘everyone says he sucks.’
Which is what you said.
if RAC had confidence in stanzi
he would have started stanzi over orton
So by having more confidence in Orton than Stanzi in his rookie year
You translate that to:
well everybody says stanzi sucks
I sure as hell would blame him if he crashes
and we missed an opportunity to shore up our o-line and potentially NT with the picks we gave away for RG3 knowing after you said above that Cassel is servicable with a better O-line in front of him.
No way Pioli moves up anyway, not his MO. He will move down to get more picks before he moves up and loses picks.
Why would that necessarily be the case?
Risk doesn’t intrinsically increase with the size of the bet. Unless you honestly believe that: Orton/Cassel/Stanzi can win us a SB or RG3 will not make it in the NFL, then the “go with what we got” mentality will get us nowhere special.
I don’t like the idea of giving up at minimum this years second plus next years first for a player (since we will be moving up we aren’t really “losing” our first round draft pick). However if RG3 ends up being an elite QB no one will question the move, particularly if/when we win a SB.
I’m tired of mediocrity. It is plainly apparent, elite QBs are far and away the best way to be build a great team. Elite NTs, RBs, WRs, safteies, etc, get you to the playoffs at best.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 11, 2012 3:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The defense was better than "pretty good at times."
They held four teams to their lowest point total of the season, so they were better than “pretty good” at least four games.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
I agree
I think at times this season, especially in the second half, they were dominant if not elite. They were playing at a high level and were all working together. Now insert Eric Berry back in there and we will be just fine. We have to resign Carr though, i fear without him we will be in a bad match up anytime a team has a big tall possession receiver. But assuming we get him back i think we will be just fine.
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The only they were just "pretty good"
Was when the offense caused them to be on the field too much or they appeared to get fed up that they were busting their asses and the offense wasn’t doing squat. I’d say if they keep Carr and with Berry back from injury this defense is borderline elite even without adding anyone new.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
How many times did we get our asses handed to us?
I count 5 games where our defence looked shitty. It is difficult to call a 7-9 defence anything more than pretty good.
Well...
We got our ass handed to us in the NE game, but the Defense certainly wasn’t at fault. Held the best O in the NFL scoreless most of the 1st half. You can only do so much when you’re on the field the entire game and the opposition gets great field position.
He said pretty good at times.
I was addressing that. I never said they looked great all year.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Sorry, re-read your comment.
I can agree with that statement then, they looked great 4 times. Can’t do much better than 28-0 in Oakland that’s for sure.
True, The Defense seemed to be at mercy of a bad Offense early in season.
Later, as RAC used a Base 3-4 less and used a lot of variations that did not rely on Dorsey – Gregg – TJax They used more sets that resembled a 4-3 using Gordon a lot. Even with Berry coming back, we need another DB with cover skills and another 2-gap DT and to figure how to get more pressure opposite Hali from a base set without sending Houston every play.
Real huge need for 2012 is to fix a stagnating O-Line. OC Wegs will be gone, OG Lilja is too light when coupled with a smallish OC, RT is a sieve on pass plays. Loss of (Pro -Bowler) Waters was appearent and we never made up that loss.
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We have three positions
That need a playmaker in next year. QB, NT, a great Right OLmen.
I don’t think you could have had that in single digits before Pioli came in here. Why all the angst towards him? He’s got some nice talent across the team in a relatively talentless pool when he came in.
I like Orton over Cassel, but I’m still happy we’re arguing over that and not Croyle vs Thigpen.
1. Receivers Coach. The receivers are not well coached. Baldwin/McCluster are good physical ability players, but have a world to go on the talent/skill side. Sloppy routes, bad cuts. They could be bigger than Bowe if they had a good coach.
2. Right Offensive Line. Getting a big player here would be great.
3. Berry. Berry was another physical ability player. Can he still play at a high level without the same range when he comes back?
4. Siler. One thing people on AP love to talk about is unknown quantities as players. Mention Stanzi and you’ll have people line up and think he’s an Ace card that just hasn’t been turned over yet. Siler is a similar factor there. We don’t know how he will fit in our scheme on defense, but we know we need him to produce to turn the Defense into a top tier defense.
5. Kyle Orton. I’d love a shot at RGBIII, Manning, or Brees. They’re possible, but not probable scenarios. Orton spreads defenses better than Cassel, and looks at players not named Bowe. He also moves the chains extermely well. More importantly than any single factor, if we’re down by more than two scores, the chances that Orton will help us win the game vs Cassel is exponentially higher.
by MichaelMantastic on Jan 11, 2012 10:32 AM CST reply actions
Great description of where Chiefs fans are at right now:
I like Orton over Cassel, but I’m still happy we’re arguing over that and not Croyle vs Thigpen.
Right...
Keep expectations low so that mediocrity looks the part of a blessing.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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1. Robert Griffin III
Am I right or am I right? Guys? Guys? Right? Anyone?
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RGIII is exactly Tim Tebow.
Just, you know, minus the hype and controversy, and with actual footwork, mechanics, and a 70% pass completion rate.
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Ah, so exactly the same.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
And has 50 lbs on Griffin to actually be a feasible running QB.
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by GenericBrand on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Griffin isn’t a running QB. He’s a passing QB with the ability to pick up extra yards if available. He’s more of a Drew Brees scramble > pass than scramble > run.
drew brees run?
I always thought he was more of a rapistberger except you know, leaner and faster
Well then it's a good thing Griffin is much more of a pure pocket passer than Tebow.
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Career college stats
Tebow = 66.4%
RGIII = 67.1%
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
When Bowe breaks a slant for 40 yards does Cassel really throw it 40 yards?
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by KingChief on Jan 11, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I wonder is RG3 really that good?
He plays for baylor which is in the Big 12(10?) which isn’t known for their defense
It's a fair question.
But he certainly passes the eye test. He made a lot of impressive throws into tight coverage, so it’s not like he was only hitting receivers that were wide open on passes that even I could have completed.
He also, for what it’s worth, looked far more impressive against Big XII defenses than did the conference’s other “elite” quarterbacks like Landry Jones or Brandon Weeden.
Nonetheless, we can’t know for sure. RGIII, just like every other quarterback to declare for the draft in the last 50 years, is not a sure thing.
But, for what it’s worth, I do think he really is that good.
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idk why but I seriously want oregon's QB
he might not have the arms but he’s quick and efficient
I think "was" was referring to his college days.
Not last week.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
67.8% according to cfbstats.com
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
ESPN says the same thing.
In fact, only Wikipedia has him down for 70% in 09. Everybody agrees he completed 213 passes, but Wikipedia says he attempted 304 instead of 314. I’m inclined to think Wikipedia is the one in error.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Ah, so it's Wikipedia's fault.
Glad you said something. I was about to accuse bossman of rounding up.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I just checked and you are correct. Tim Tebow did complete 70% of his passes his senior year.
Of course, since we’re comparing ‘11 RG3 to ’09 Tebow, it’s probably worth mentioning that Griffin passed for nearly 1400 more yards and 17 more TDs than Tebow did his senior year with only one more interception.
But, as your reward for successfully correcting me, I’ll now listen to argument from anyone who wants to seriously argue that Tim Tebow is a better pure passer than Robert Griffin III.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Tebow is white.
Boom, nailed it.
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, that get's a rec.
I’m going to hell for laughing at it, but it get’s a rec all the same.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
I can't blame tebow for the hype
it’s more on ESPN.
not like tebow held up a sign every sunday saying
“oh look I’m awesome. Put me in coach. I’m better than the rest of these losers”
I don't blame Tebow for anything.
I’m just saying RGIII comes without the controversy. The fact that it isn’t Tebow’s fault is, unfortunately, irrelevant.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Same but different
Like a Joe Montant but not, like a Carson Palmer but not, Like a Payton Manning but Nothing like that, ……
**Heres to 5 err 4 more years of JC!!!!**
Here's my top 5
1. Offensive Line… All of them
2. OC
3. Nose Tackle
4. Urk Burry
5. Tony Moeaki
We have to worry about getting a line that can block
before we can worry about the skill of the Running Back.
he's our slot/block/te
we kinda need him
Again, I didn’t say he was an after thought… I just think there are a lot more impact players/position to be in a top 5
He made a heck of a lot of crucial 3rd down catches last year. He is a big body with Breaston type hands
People have to view him as a receiver. Pope and Becht aren’t much than a blocker. Having him healthy really changes the coverage a defense will play against us.
seems I read that KC was basically
building the passing game around Moeaki before he went down… that would make him pretty important. Good blocker, route runner, great hands, big body… yanno, all-around every down type of guy.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
This list is way off. Let me demonstrate:
1. Lance Long
2. Lance Long
3. Lance Long
4. Lance Long
5. Lance Long
Also, Mims.
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by TRSChief on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Where's Tamba?
I don’t know how you can make a top 5 list like this one and not include Tamba Hali. He’s very important to the Chiefs organization. I’d simply bump Houston to five, and place Tamba in at four. Baldwin would be a six.
Big-O-pair-of-HESSTICLES
my list
5. Albert
4. Baldwin
3. Charles
2. Berry
1. RGIII
"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.
Twitter: @Mr_Hoosier
My list
1.RGlll
2.OC
3.resign Bowe/Carr long term
4.draft and Free Agent O line men
5. Add depth to ss/fs and rb
by albuquerquechiefsfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Rodney Hudson
I’m hoping he can step into the center position smoothly next year which would be one less position on the O-line we would have to worry about .
Perhaps...
But Big Jon Asamoah went through a similar ordial last season transitioning behind a veteran, and that could have possibly helped him ease into the NFL game. Here’s to hoping the same goes for Rodney next season.
by MDChiefsfan88 on Jan 11, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree, personally
I don’t think you get better as an OL sitting and watching.
Hudson isn’t going to be better in 12 than he would have been if he played in 11. There is no way I can agree to that.
There is possibly only one position that argument holds water, and that is QB. Even there it’s a shaky one.
I'd say it helps for every position.
There is possibly only one position that argument holds water, and that is QB.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 11, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
So, you think that most players play better by sitting and watching a year
Then they would by actually playing? Completely disagree. Especially OL. There in no classroom learning in the NFL that will replicate actually playing.
5 VITAL positions for the Chiefs
Offensive Coordinator – Muir obviously won’t cut it… and not that High on Zorn either
Defensive Coordinator – The fall of Haley was the fact he was doing to much. Need to take some pressure off Crennel
Chiefs trainer – 3 studs out with knee injuries. Very important they don’t get re-injured
Offensive line – Pretty self explanatory
QB – Hate having mediocre players in the most important position on the field.
My list (best and most important)
1) QB of the future (not Cassel)
2) Charles
3) Johnson
4) Bowe
5) Hali
That's easily the best and most important list I've ever seen.
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Let's change it to: Top 5 Cheifs who need to SHINE
1. WR Baldwin – time to take the heat off Bowe
2. OL Hudson – time to beaf-up the protection and punch holes for running the ball
3. DL Jackson – time to create real pressure up the middle
4. any RB who is not Charles (he needs the help)
5. TE Moeaki – we need a TE who can stay on the field, not on the IR
It's sad, everyone loved our 2010 draft
But Rob Gronkowski was on the board when we selected Dex Mex and Jimmy Graham was on the board when we selected Moeaki…and now they are breaking every concievable TE record.
re: we need a TE who can stay on the field, not on the IR
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. All we know of Moeaki was what he did as a rookie with Matt Cassel throwing to him. And even then he looked great.
Are we really sure what his ceiling would be if he had Tom Brady or Drew Brees throwing to him?
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
All the more reason to do what ever it takes to get a great QB.
No one has ever said the words “Sure he looks great, but anyone would look great with Kyle Orton chucking him the rock”
by craig in calgary on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pope and Becht looked good vs. Green Bay
but, then again, anyone would look great with Kyle Orton chucking him the rock.
There, I said. it.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
"That stacked Redskins receiving corps could really shine with the likes of Matt Cassel throwing to them"
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Sure,
Cassel and Orton aren’t flashy celebrity QBs, but no one in KC ever will be. It’s not a big market. If you look around the league, and look back in time, you’ll see that alot of really good QBs are not considered HOFers. Furthermore, our beloved Len Dawson was not a “flashy” celebrity QB either. He wasn’t even that good, but he’s in the HOF, because he won a Super Bowl. Also, because Dawson was blessed with one of the greatest defenses that ever stepped on the field, and an offense filled with future HOFers. It takes a whole team to make a star QB – more than it takes a star QB to make a good team. Elway was denied his Super Bowl ring for years, until they built a good team around him. He ran for his life, most of the time. If you remember, Cassel looked good at the helm of the NE Patriots. Enough that it caused a big battle over who was going to get him.
by David Winton on Jan 11, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Montana wasn't a flashy QB?
And, more importantly, you don’t have to be New York to have an elite, franchise quarterback. That’s just a ridiculous notion.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
Frankly,
Joe stunk when he got here… no maybe not that bad, but he had no weapons. Besides, he was already a star – that didn’t happen in KC. Jim McMann led the Bears to the SB and won. After that, he disappeared. Good team, average QB. That’s my point!
by David Winton on Jan 11, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
He was also the last QB to win a playoff game for us, in '94.
That is almost hard to comprehend. Kids are graduating HS that have never been alive for a Chiefs playoff win.
By the same token,
The Chiefs have the ability to fix a lot of holes in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. If RG3 manages to fall to them, the’ll go for it. I don’t see anyone after that who’s better than what we have now. I see the Chiefs going for someone exciting in the 1st, just because of how many good OT, DT, CB, and TE are available in the later rounds.
by David Winton on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
Unless your Peyton Manning, then it does take you to make the whole team look good…
by kcchiefsfan on Jan 11, 2012 3:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
it also helps
when they have Brady and Brees throwing them the ball, you know the 2 guys that just broke Marino’s 30 year old record this year for passing
Pioli's public comments today
Say it all. He emphasized “consistency” and stated how important that is. Then when asked about Cassel he backed him up emphasizing what Cassel did in NE (4 years ago) and what he did last year (in 2010) shows that he’s our “Guy.” But what did Cassel do in between and isn’t that the definition on INCONISTENCY at the most important position? Just saying…
by JMagsKC1 on Jan 11, 2012 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
He's pretty good at putting together three and outs...
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
Charter Member of Chief Fans for Neck Beards...Viva La Orton
Matt couldve been the guy but after giving him 60+ mil what did we do to push him .......
In NE he took over a SB all time great record shattering offense and in 2010 that season ended with him going 9-18 with 3 picks .
Someone should ask him what have we done to further develop Matt since he arrived here
by Willie Beamon on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
What?
You seem to imply that KC isn’t all that good at developing QB’s…. hmmm, seems some guy posted an article on that subject…
/shameless self-promotion
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
JMagsKC1: It sounds pretty obvious that Pioli is going to force Cassel on this team.
Maybe, I don’t know for sure, but just maybe, this is what caused the trouble with Haley and Haley just said “to hell with it” and actually wanted out.
I don't think you'll find one.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Pioli’s job/reputation is riding on his Cassel acquisition. I think he plans to ride him til the end… To bad the Chiefs have go down with him.
Why would his job and reputation ride on a guy he traded a 2nd round pick for?
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It doesn't.
I don’t know why people are so stuck on that.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
How about top 5 positions that need to live up to expectations:
Assumes only current roster and no new FAs and no new draftees.
5. QB position (Cassel or Orton)
4. Hudson at Center.
3. Berry comeback at SS.
2. JC comeback at RB.
1. Baldwin as complete complement to Bowe.
List becomes much different if iit lists those positions that are most needed to improve in ordr for Chiefs to compete in Playoffs:
5. NT- Upgraded replacement for Gregg.
4. WR- Full year of Baldwin at full potential.
3. SOLB- Houston at full potential.
2. O-Line- reworked and remanned. Replacing Wegs, BRich and Lilja (maybe).
1. QB- Either upgraded and making plays or complete offense must functioning with all tools at top effeciency all year with no breakdowns.
"You talkin' to me? You TALKIN' to me ?" - Travis Bickle
1. QB- Either upgraded and making plays or complete offense must functioning with all tools at top effeciency all year with no breakdowns.
Well said – I know it will upset some fans, but it is extremely likely that Matt Cassel will be our starting QB in 2012. But that isn’t a bad thing…if the line is consistent and everyone is on the same page he can run a very successful EP offense.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
It's not a good thing, either.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
To me it is a bad thing. It's a strong sign that our GM is stubborn and set in his ways.
NE’s coach would have never accepted these circumstances….that’s the difference.
It's ridiculous
If you look at this year’s stats, Cassel has a 60% higher chance of throwing an INT every throw than Orton. (2% vs ~3.5%)
Cassel has 8 times the chance of getting sacked on a play than Orton (8% per pass attempt vs <1% for Orton).
Why Pioli would be pushing for Cassel has nothing to do with what’s going on, on the field.
by MichaelMantastic on Jan 11, 2012 2:13 PM CST reply actions
They're the only apple to apple stats
Everything else should weigh in…
by MichaelMantastic on Jan 11, 2012 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
Well
For one, they aren’t apple to apple. Cassel had Haley as his HC/real OC. Orton had a team motivated to get RAC the HC job.
Two, they both scored about 13 points per game, and Orton didn’t play against better D’s.
Third, you don’t evaluate a QB with nearly 70 starts based on 3 games. Orton didn’t transform into a different person in those 3 games, he is who he is. Fans may do so, but NFL scouts/GM’s/talent evaluators are able to watch tape and evaluate statistics of an entire career, not just 3 games.
Stanzi As Backup Quarterback??
WoW- I was afraid of that happening with the comments I’ve seen about Stanzi. Some think he sucks as a Quarterback.. I guess I watched all season long and didn’t see that happening since he didn’t even step a foot onto the field. I guess us folks up here in Iowa Hawkeye Country take exception to that comment. Based on these comments I hope they let him go along with Mokei so they can play for a team that can make it to the Super Bowl. It ticks me off that he didn’t even get a chance to play and he already sucks. I hope the Chiefs Staff isn’t as short sided as the fans.
QB
We do not have a Brady,Manning,Rodgers or Breeze. Until we do have someone of that caliber all we can expect is to just win a weak division. When Cassel won 10 games, the only team he beat with a record over 500 that year was SD and that was the first game of the year when they didn’t even have a record yet and our defense held SD to maybe their fewest points of the year. I agree he looked good that year but only against weak teams
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