Chiefs GM Hopes Dwayne Bowe, Brandon Carr Are Back Next Year
by Joel Thorman on Jan 10, 2012 10:48 AM CST
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PrintKansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli went on 810 WHB's Border Patrol this morning after the team officially announced Romeo Crennel as the new head coach at a Monday press conference. Some of the topics were repeats of what we heard on Monday but the guys did ask Pioli about some free agents.
And when we mention Chiefs free agents this year, we're usually talking about the two big fish -- WR Dwayne Bowe and CB Brandon Carr.
"These are guys that are key components of the past and hopefully the future," Pioli said told Steven St. John and Nate Bukaty. "They're players we have a great deal of respect for. We're going to try to continue to talk to those guys and, again, it's a matter of what those players want to do with us as well."
So this confirms what we basically already knew: the Chiefs want Bowe and Carr back in KC next season. They're both scheduled to be free agents which means KC has to work out a contract with them or slap the franchise tag down to secure the rights to at least one of them. It sounds like contract discussions are ongoing but we don't really know the specifics of where we're at with them.
Pioli also noted the obvious about free agency: not only do the Chiefs have to want a free agent, the free agent has to want the Chiefs. It's a two-way street (and I'm hoping the Chiefs mentioning that yesterday and today isn't a situation where they're greasing the skids for Bowe and/or Carr's exit).
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I'm wondering if free agency is
Not just a product of Hunt being cheap but also the fact that players didn’t want to sign with a team coached by Todd Haley.
A player like Bowe may want to try his hand at Free Agency
See if he can get on a more pass-happy team, with a dynamite QB, one that makes the playoffs more often. Who knows what his agent is telling him, what kind of “brand” he wants to establish for himself, etc. He could want to go to a bigger market (NY team?) to get a bigger national profile.
Lots of factors could go into a player wanting to move on. I hope we can keep him, but sometimes just offering a lot of money and history isn’t going to cut it.
Never though Bowe would re-sign.
Seems like the type of guy who would want a bigger stage. I think they have a much better chance of retaining Carr, though obviously I hope both are re-signed.
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bowe will join the saints
and he will break his ankle and ruin his career..like dante hall
Dante broke a lot of ankles in his career.
/human joystick
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by Tarkus on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
until he broke his
he decided to be a bitch and run off to the rams
and he’s watching tv and saying “that was me”
Funny....
I seem to remember Dante being a casualty of the switch to the Herm era…
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
don't you remember?
he wanted to join the rams because they had better “training facilities”
We traded Dante to the Rams,
for 5th round pick I think.
This is true.
Hall and a 3rd to the Rams for a 3rd and 5th.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
Heard Bowe on ESPN radio doing pregame for the LSU v Bama game last night.
He was excited about Romeo being hired and said that he wanted to be back and called himself a “team player”.
by JayhawksNChiefs on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
he's a team player alright
by not signing a new contract with the chiefs
What do we know about what's been offered?
What do we know about what Dwayne’s agent is telling him, or KC for that matter? Not having signed as of yet doesn’t mean he won’t… and hearing him be excited about the Crennel hire and that he wants to be back is good news.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Great to hear
Letting him go and drafting another WR only sets us back another year or so. He won’t be able to come in and be a top notch guy and baldwin isn’t ready either. And Breaston is not a #1 WR at all. he’s built fir the slot, he is all day across the middle of the field.
In Pioli We Trust
The question is, which team?
called himself a "team player".
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I heard the interview also
Sorry, I didnt see this post when I mentioned this interview much further down……Bowe was just brimming with personality and candor of his Chiefs team…….I dont think that anyone in the middle of an acrimonious negotiations or unsure of where he will be next season talks like Bowe was talking.
by aaronbrown87 on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
and I agree. It’s possible negotiations haven’t even started, or are in early stages. If they were going badly, he’d at least remain mum if not hedge on where he’ll be. Hope you’re right.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'd retain both unless either is asking for ridiculous money
Then re-sign the guy who is being reasonable, tag and trade the other.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Both will likely ask for ridiculous money
Bowe will want Fitz money and Carr will likely seek Flowers money. Personally, I think that is a bit steep for the product.
Gut
And yes, it’s only an assumption. I just think both these guys think they are “all that”. Maybe I’m wrong. I’d like to be wrong when it counts, once! LOL
Haha if it helps, I hope you're wrong too
In that case, make the tough call. Which one is worth overpaying? Frankly, I’d say Carr.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
Honestly, if that's the route it ends up going
I can see us trying to trade up with STL or MN for RG3.
By offering Bowe to either of those teams we’re offering something more valuable than any pick from this year or next year.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
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I believe if we tag and trade Bowe...
then I think we take a penalty in our salary cap.
by supersoccersteven on Jan 10, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think in a trade, the new team picks up the contract.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
no tag no trade pay the man
the chiefs can not replace D. Bowe. to good a player to let go.
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 10, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Tag and trade Bowe....for what?
Name a receiver who can come up with a 1000 yard + season with tyler Palko at the helm for a quarter of it. Name a receiver that can be more of a game changer than Dwayne Bowe. You can’t. Not Megatron, not Andre Johnson, maybe Larry Fitzgerald, but he’s not human.
Why would you trade a known commodity that is performing at or above expectations and really turning into a dynasty and pick up a complete and total unknown?
The Kansas City Chiefs, ruining playoff hopes since 2010
Don't they have to throw all kinds of money at Brees first?
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and Carl Nicks if they want to keep him
In Pioli We Trust
Who else on the line do they have to re sign?
In Pioli We Trust
i could see this
with Colston leaving they need a big time WR… but then again i could also see them trying to resign Colston, but i would love to let Bowe go and pick up Colston… but i think we should trade Bowe, 1st, 2nd, and a 2013 1st, maybe another 2013 pick to the Colts for the #1 draft pick and Garcon….
I've had this same feeling for awhile now...
That Bowe would rather be playing somewhere else.
New England, perhaps?
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Holy crap, Brady to Bowe would just be stupid
With Welker and the two-headed TE Monster in there
I don’t want to see that.
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Brady to Bowe equals nightmare
But I do think the Pats have a couple 1st rounders…..not positive though.
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I thought the same thing
New England makes too much sense for him in some ways. He’d be huge there.
Charles, DJ, Flowers, Hali
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Stop with all this truthiness.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, I'm a Colbert fan.
Good WR depth.
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He coaches college TE's with the best of them.
But his one-liners? To die for.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Looks good in skating tights too.
/no homo
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I like the Colbert Report, too.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Haley didn't seem to hurt our free agency last year...in fact, it seemed to help.
Not disagreeing with you on THIS year’s crowd, though, esp. if Haley’s rift with Bowe was true (which it might not be).
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, it actually seemed that Bowe and Haley got along good. I would imagine that Bowe
respected the “tough love” and how it helped him to greatness. My bet is that he remains a Chief.
by jcox31mc on Jan 10, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's why I sort of hope our next coach retains Richie Anderson as WR's coach.
He might’ve been an old-school H-back/hybrid TE, but he really seemed to do well with several of our guys (Colbert responded well to his work, as did Bowe, Tucker in ’10, etc). They need some work on routes, from what I can tell—everyone but Breaston. Bowe just needs to keep working on staying focused on the task at hand.
Some folks want to give credit to Haley, sure, but Todd couldn’t be head coach and staring at every snap of reciever practices too. (He had other places besides WR to nervously meddle).
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills
by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
we already know players
don’t want to play with Matt Cassell. I think he was more of a factor than Haley.
Here we go again.
I can’t make it through one blog without somebody attacking Cassel.
How do you know that?
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Good news, to finally actually hear them say that they're important pieces.
Contract negotiations are one thing, but I was wondering if the Chiefs even wanted these dudes back.
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
I think not only does Pioli want them back, but Crennel wants them back even more than Pioli
… and if Thorman was any kind of true journalist he’d be calling Crennel for quotes already
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Word.
The hell am I paying that guy for?
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shares in the beer glove fortune?
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Thorman's such a slacker
I'm dressin my voodoo doll in stripes every season...
by WorL4Chiefs on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Sign them both
Trade neither. Keep the continuity going.
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Jan 10, 2012 10:57 AM CST via mobile reply actions
They are free agents...
So unless they use the franchise tag, we don’t have the option of trading them. They may also just leave of their own accord. I’m sure they will try to at least sign Carr.
We have the option of the franchise tag.
Don’t have to let one of them walk.
They better “at least” try to sign Carr. Big, strong, top five corners aren’t exactly a dime a dozen.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
#82 - Pay The Man & Play The Man
by KansasCityShuffle on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a little worried, but not too much
Look at the guys comparable to Carr/Bowe — DJ, Charles, Tamba. They’ve locked all those guys up.
by Joel Thorman on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Right.
That might be what scares me most. They’re done but yet these guys are not.
They were done in their contract years too.
These two are a little later in the process, but not that much.
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Hali was tagged and only signed during the camp prior to his tagged season
Expect the same with Bowe. Everyone talking about Bowe signing with NO is crazy. He will get the tag if they can’t work out a contract extension, and if it looks like he doesn’t want to be here, Pioli will trade him to a team he’ll sign long term with and get value out of his departing star player.
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
Good point about Hali.
I had forgotten about that. So they’re still ahead of the game, compared to him.
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They are probably waiting to see how the HC situation shook out
and for Bowe he may wait till the OC is picked so he knows who he is working with.
Hali's timing was affected by the lockout, too.
When you gotta go in the lion's den, you don't go quiet. You go in loud, kick the door down and say WHERE IS THE SONUVABITCH. -B. Billick
I want Carr
more than Bowe. That guy has seriously improved. Bowe is still inconsistent. Still, I see them franchising Bowe and trying to get some dumbass franchise such as the Browns to give up more than they should for him and trading him. Carr is more irrepelaceable than Bowe for this team at this point. If Baldiwn improves thee WRs will be alright but we’ll definitely need a thrd WR from free agency. All I want tis an OG and an OT for Jamaal Charles and whatever power back we get for next year. I would be in favor of running the ball 70% of the time with Cassel at QB. Really wish we were in running for Luck or Manning.
Well.. I’m sure we will atleast have one of them next season.. my prediction is resign Carr and franchise Bowe and possibly trade him…
by tomahawk44 on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling which ever one get the franchise tag
the other will chase the money
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with bowe
I can see it two ways,, i think we try to sign him and he asks who is going to be tha qb and if they say cassel hes gone and i think he tired of losing not as loyal as tha others.
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Bowe also had his best season under Cassel
by Joel Thorman on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So he's going to sign with Kansas?
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I was simply pointing out that Joel's argument
isn’t necessarily valid. Bowe/Cassel success in 2010 should probably be attributed more to Weis than to Cassel’s skill.
and all this time I thought it was Bowe's skill at going up for passes that were overthrown ...
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Not to be confused with his skill
of dropping easy passes right in his hands.
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Did Weis throw the ball to Bowe.
2010 Cassel threw the ball 475 times. Brees threw the ball this year 657 times.
2010 we rushed for 2627 yards this year we rushed for 1873 yards.
The only thing Weis did was run Charles. Cassel did not get a chance to throw the ball that much. Charles helped Cassel not Weis.
Bowe had his best season under Haley
isn’t this fun? :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
it sure was fun to watch
Go luck yourself.
by ottawachiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
He had his best season under RAC.
That’s why he was just hired as the new head coach.
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Bowe had his best season at LSU
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Bowe had his best season under JaMarcus Russell?
And lived to tell about it?
"Why are all these people here? There are too many people on this earth. We need a new plague…"
-Dwight Schrute
Unfortunately JaMarcus didn't survive
Meh...
I don't only want to stand out here when we get our asses kicked... I like to stand out here when we kick somebody else's ass... Big Win, Big Win ~ Todd Haley
@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 10, 2012 12:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Haley had his best season
under Whisenhunt.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Haley's first year Bowe had a bad year.
When Haley let him play he did good job under haley.
Yeah Chuck was throwin’ the rock; I forgot. Gee, thanks homie.
"...and we're gonna be ready for them"!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck".
Actually Bowe had his best season OVER everyone
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
by jmcgoblue on Jan 10, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
we HAVE a winner!
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Bowe also had his best season under Cassel
And the other QBs he’s had to deal with in his career were Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, and Tyler Palko….
Tebow might know Jesus, but Bill Muir is old enough to have actually babysat him in the manger.
And Damon Huard
And Bowe has still been a beast. There is no way we can let him go/trade him. Look at the offense against Denver without him.
If only we had a Trent Dilfer type who could manage the game...
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
it might not be
Because of cassel but he wants to play with a winning qb
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Matt Cassel is
24-21 in 45 career starts. My math says that is a winning QB.
dang I hate doing SullyWA2's work for him
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I do enjoy you doing the work for me though! Rec & Props Bro!
"...and we're gonna be ready for them"!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck".
I'm more worried about losing Carr than Bowe
Carr is a good #2 CB and there are a lot of teams in need of a top cover corner (i.e.. Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta) and he could get overpaid like a #1.
The free agent class of WRs is deep plus a few receiver needy teams will draft guys in round 1. Since he wants a big contract and has a history of work ethic issues, teams may not want to pay him. Therefore, he might be best suited to staying here.
by golfbard on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure if Carr has as high of a profile outside of KC as inside
KC fans LOVE Carr, and think he’s one of the top CBs (or at least top #2 CB) in the game, and clearly an ascending young talent. I’m not sure if he is thought of as highly elsewhere, even with profootballfocus giving him tons of love.
Carr is a good #2 CB and there are a lot of teams in need of a top cover corner (i.e.. Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta) and he could get overpaid like a #1.
I don’t think it would be overpaying – Carr is better than a lot of #1 corners. Next year he might be OUR #1 corner
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
He's a top 20-25 NFL CB
He deserves to be paid as one.
Carr isn't a number 2
He’s a 1A/1B type, especially since he stays on the right side and sees his fair share of elite WRs.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If Bowe leaves, that sucks (though at minimum we should tag and trade him).
But we have to get Carr back. I’m much more comfortable with our depth behind Bowe than with our depth behind Carr.
We could probably move on with Baldwin, Breaston, and a mid round rookie or reasonably cheap FA at receiver and be okay.
But if Carr leaves, we’ve got Arenas, Brown, and Daniels sitting behind him. Brown is probably the only one of those three who even has the potential to be a good to very good starting cornerback, which would mean that we’d need to either sign a top free agent or spend a high draft pick replacing Carr. Carr is arguably the top FA CB, and I’d rather spend our first rounder elsewhere. Get it done, Pioli.
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by MtHammer on Jan 10, 2012 11:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
actually
Travis daniels and the most decent 1 but i get ue point on keeping carr tho.
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by kcchiefsfan515 on Jan 10, 2012 11:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh, he's definitely the most decent option of the 3 right now.
But he’s also hit his ceiling. If you want somebody to come close to replacing the production you were getting from Carr, though, Brown is the only one who even has a shot to do it.
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as long as
Brown doesn’t get any more stupid penalties. He was always starting something on ST
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Chiefs draft a top college cb in the draft...
Pioli type of thinking? Some thought we would take Prince last season.
by tomahawk44 on Jan 10, 2012 11:17 AM CST via mobile reply actions
You can never go wrong with a good corner
Meh...
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@w_a_watts
by Chief-blinders-on on Jan 10, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
If we lose Carr
then yes but this offensive line needs to be upgraded badly. You can have all the skill position players in the world and a young QB but if you have no line then you got no offense.
sign jeff saturday from the colts at center
then peyton manning follows saturday or more likely vice versa
will the chiefs ever draft a Qb in the first round, not since todd blackledge in 83. and the chiefs could of had marino. OH well atleast 65 toss power trap worked for KC, it should be wide open red. Hank stram still the man.
by niageriannit1 on Jan 10, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Saturday is gonna be about 37
or so… no thanks.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
so the question is
should the chiefs overpay to keep either of them.
and what is overpay.
as a fan do you care what they have to pay to keep them, or you just want them no matter what the cost since they have cap space?
just curious what people think.
Worth to whom?
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Worth to the team within the context of our own personnel situation and the free agent market, obviously.
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Isn't that what every team does?
Fans have a different idea of how players should be paid, though.
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I forget.
But the point is, of course they’ll offer Bowe what they think he’s worth to the organization. But if he doesn’t agree, the fans will be up in arms over failing to sign him, and call the team cheap. Most fans think the Chiefs should just basically hand him a blank check.
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Sign Carr.
If Bowe turns down the offer, tag him. Then you know what you have to pay him, and the franchise rules translate to “what he’s worth.”
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'm on board with you.
I was just saying what was acceptable to me as a fan. If they want to overpay him a bit, I’m fine with it. Depends on how much.
Not like..
Larry Johnson 2.7????!!!!!
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Bowe interview prior to BCS championship game
Did anyone else hear this?………..Bowe was being interviewed due to his being recruited by and played for Sabin for two years and being coached by Miles for two years at LSU. He talked of the smack talk of the chiefs locker room with 3 LSU guys and three Bama players. Talked about Brodie Croyle being a good guy for a bama product……….when asked about returning to the chiefs he made every indication that he has no plans of leaving……I was struck with his answer becuase it didnt have any of the political correct say nothing that is usually part of any of those types of responses……..anybody else hear this interview?
Bowe has been
a team guy since day one. Sure..he had a poor interview once where he unintentionally got some teammates in trouble at home, that aside I’ve always thought of Bowe as a career Chief. Guy always shows up on Sunday and has no off-field issues.
Thanks for the post on the interview.
by Knocknheads on Jan 10, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
awesome to hear :-)
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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
I hope Carr and Bowe
stay.. especially since I’ve had Bowe’s jersey since his rookie year. I’m not ready to part with it!!
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
Yes, it's been mentioned twice prior in these comments.
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by neiowakcfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
Resign Carr, tag & trade Bowe
Send him to Indy along with Dorsey for Peyton Manning :) Luck will need a big target!
Why trade for Manning nad take on his huge contract
when you don’t even know if he can still play, or even play at a high level
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Doesn't matter
Indy can’ trade him before he is due his big bonus and I can’t see paying him and then trading him. He is either going to be a free agent or he isn’t.
Its never good when the guy who can do something about it is using words like "hope".
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Yea, he hopes Bowe doesn't ask for more than he's worth.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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by ArrowSpread on Jan 10, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
It makes sense in a lot of ways
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by RememberDelaney37 on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Chiefshero
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
Seriously? I'm saying this while typing it right now.
It’s not that hard.
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Not at all really.
The whole point to drafting Baldwin and signing Breaston was to make our receiving core better. We let Bowe go and we take a step backward.
I don't think anyone really wants him to leave
But if he’s too expensive to keep, it would be better to get some picks for him than to not.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
he's our best offensive player besides JC & by FAR our best this season.
I’ll be surprised & pissed off if he isn’t resigned.
D-Bowe says: "THAT'S MY BIKE, PUNK!!!!"
Same here
Bowe is a very good player. Rather we are able to get a first round+ for him or not, to me his is worth more than a first round pick. Bowe is a proven commodity, plays at a high level, and doesn’t have any off the field issues. Sure we could draft a better WR than Bowe, but it is far from a guarantee and if we get less than a first for him, it is very unlikely we could draft a better WR.
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by Scaryclouds on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
i say we let Bowe go
and try as hard as possible to sign Carr, not slap him with a Franchise tag… Defenses win Championships… besides Bowe gives the feeling like he just doesn’t like KC… we are a run first team, and Bowe is a character as we all know (wether it be drop passes or what not) but i feel Bowe is done with the Chiefs….
I think the Packers, Saints, and Pats will have something to say about defense wins championships
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by KingChief on Jan 10, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We beat the packers with defense
not offense, just ask the 2003 Chiefs
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
At least one of those 3 will be in the SB
Men succeed when they realize that their failures are the preparation for their victories.
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Calling Pats v Ravens for the Lamar Hunt trophy.
But if SF can beat NO this weekend, they might beat GB too. We’ll get to see how good SF’s defense is.
2012 Chiefs Draft Picks by Falcon58: G DeCastro 1st round, NT Ta'amu 2nd round or OT Adcock 2nd/3rd round, TE Egnew 3rd round, RB Ganaway 5th/6th, QB Case Keenum 5th/6th. Resign: Carr, McClain, Bailey, Bowe, Orton (in that order). Trade Dorsey for picks, promote Gordon to DT/DE.
i'll never understand the "tag and trade Bowe"talks
no reason we should trade all that talent away. and on top of that, he’s in his prime… i think its dumb to trade a proven player for draft picks.
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by LookListenLearn on Jan 10, 2012 11:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
he doesn't like KC
he’s just half assing it. Draft someone who’s willing to play
what's makes u think he doesn't like kc?
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by LookListenLearn on Jan 10, 2012 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
*what
I think Thomas Jones would have better success in Bodybuilder competitions than he is havin right now in the NFL!
by LookListenLearn on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
the way he gives up on plays
the way he drops easy balls
pretty much the whole thing
halfassing it ... you mean like when he goes out and BLOCKS?
when he does his job and bowls over defenders for Charles and Dex? THAT kind of halfassing it?
I’ll take that any day …
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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
some pretty halfass plays here ups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by5NcnVLGQ0
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I know, huh! :-)
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
Damn,
that made me ready for the 2012 season already. Plus Bowe makes Cassel look damn good :)
Max: Two days ago, I saw a vehicle that would haul that tanker. You want to get out of here? You talk to me.
that right there
is the best thing i love about Bowe… he can take out a corner and safety with ease when he isn’t half assing it… besides didn’t he also get in Haley’s doghouse cause he gave some women tickets to a game in exchange for some sexual favors later on?? i think i remember his name being affiliated with that… i think Bowe loves the Jack almost as much as Orton… the BO connection…
and especially what makes you think that in light of his interview last night, as quoted above ...
when asked about returning to the chiefs he made every indication that he has no plans of leaving
and as to Bowe “half assing it” … not sure where you come up with that, given that in the game v Broncos he was like our ONLY guy catching anything … and when he went down with his injury our offense came to a standstill
Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!
that ball was not catchable
I think Thomas Jones would have better success in Bodybuilder competitions than he is havin right now in the NFL!
by LookListenLearn on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow
What LLL said.
I love my wife, my kids, and the Chiefs. In that order. Except on game days.
I am the Master of Hyperenthetical Asiditry (you know, like this. Only more)
If half "assing it" means he's a perennial 1000 yard WR and can occasionally lead the NFL in REC TDs I'll take it.
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by Tomahawk29 on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he doesn’t like KC
he’s just half assing it.
If he were full-assing it would he put 2,000 yards and 30 TD’s in a season?
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by PVChiefsfan on Jan 10, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Would that make him a complete ass?
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
I'm going to go with "no" there.
I’m a complete ass, and I’ve never had 2k yards and 30 TD’s.
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Very true. Actually with the right QB, 2000 yds. would not see unreasonable at all.
Bowe’s a good guy, great player and I’d bet that he’s back.
get rid of bowe, draft a WR
let him go to atlanta and fail with matty icicles
never... i say use him
to get the #1 draft pick and Garcon… then we got SB written all over us…
You hate Bowe
WHYYY? He has played with how many crap QB’s and still put up numbers. He never (NEVER!) complains.
I miss Will Shields and Wille Roaf
don't hate him..
i love Bowe, he’s been nothing but great for us and the team.. and with Haley gone i could see him really loving this team… but he holds alot of potential in trades… everybody wants that WR that can jump up and just grab a ball 1 handed and make it look like he is playing with school kids… i believe Bowe (plus some other things) holds the key to Andrew Luck… in today’s world i am a firm believer that everything has a price…
this just makes no sense
Give me a SOLID reason to just let Bowe walk Chiefshero.
Carr gets re signed, Bowe gets tagged.
I’m calling it now.
Carr at least has continuity with the defense and some security now that Crennel is HC. My guess is that Carr gets offered a decent deal and takes it.
Bowe on the other hand will try to get out because this offense is not doing so well. The OC position is in turmoil, the QB situation is up in the air, Jamaal might never be the same. Bowe probably wants out. Pioli would be wise to tag him then trade him.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
trade him to Indy
along with what it takes in picks… maybe even McCluster also… get that #1 draft pick and Pierre Garcon… we got Luck, Garcon, Baldwin, Breaston, Moeaki, Charles… oh so vicious….
add in #44 also to that Offense
then switch it around to Defense and we have Flowers, Carr, Berry, Lewis, DJ, Hali, Belcher (DJ and Belcher compliment each other very nicely), Houston, Dorsey (maybe trade him to Indy also) Bailey, T-Jax…. that there is a SB caliber team… only other thing you would need to build on is backups and o-line through FA and the Draft…
Woah now.
I can see trading a few picks and Bowe for Luck, but I’m not comfortable letting a few picks plus 3 good players go for him. I’d cap trading players to 1 good one.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
remember you are also getting Pierre Garcon
a just as good if not better IMO WR… who can REALLY stretch a defense, we have another Bowe, his name is Baldwin…. get that WR that can finally stretch a Defense…
Not sure why the Colts would trade Garcon for Bowe but ok.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
he's a big WR... with that many picks
they can jack Blackmon as the stretch WR with RGIII… by trading some of our picks we just gave them
So they'll trade with us to move back to 11 (or 12)
Just to use those picks to trade up to 3rd to draft RG3? And there is no way they could land both Blackmon and RG3.
I think you’re putting too much thought into this.
"saints_chiefsfan1979 is a genius" - yes, I lost a bet.
or forget about RG3
and just pick up Blackmon, wait a year with Manning then swoop up a QB in next year’s draft… supposely going to be a better pool for QB’s…
DWAYNE BOWE is a good guy
Just like Knocknheads mentioned
Bowe has been a team guy since day one. Sure..he had a poor interview once where he unintentionally got some teammates in trouble at home, that aside I’ve always thought of Bowe as a career Chief. Guy always shows up on Sunday and has no off-field issues.
I can’t agree more with Bowe being a cemented Chief. I might have had s hunch he may get away if RAC was not retained as HC. But with RAC in place, I think it adds a new perspective on how Bowe view the organization.
RAC City. I predict an AFC West crown in 2012. If Cassel is not the QB, Chiefs will go deep into the playoffs and possibly make some sizable upsets. It all depends how healthy the team gets but Superbowl aspirations for sure.
by 58 was my friend on Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM CST reply actions
Bowes Crennel comments were part of the interview that struck me
In the interview they ask Bowe about the Crennel hire……..Bowe talked how happy he was with the hire and the good things that it means in the locker room…….Who syas things likes this in the middle of negotiations when one is trying to posture for more millions. Sounds to me that the negotiations are further along with Bowe being part of the team
by aaronbrown87 on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Joel,
Call Pioli and tell him that SFL gives him the green light sign Bowe Carr McClain and Orton…
Thanks
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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by SFLChief on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Here's a thought: Let's lure the ex-OC from Tampa, Greg Olson, to KC.
-uses power running game…good for McClain
-knows how to use big recievers (or at least in 2010)…good for Bowe, Baldwin
-has worked in college (Tiller) spread, Coryell, and West Coast style systems…good for our system (diversity)
Best of all? He was Orton’s OC his first two years of college. Familiarity breeds success.
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
His name came up last year too.
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
yes, I believe that you are correct.
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect...
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Haley had a crush on him. He left Purdue to coach quarterbacks in '03 for Da Bears...when a certain coach of ours was their receivers coach.
Then he migrated to either SF or Detroit with Mariucci (one of the two), ended up with the Rams as QB coach and then OC for Linehan and the Lions, and got hired in Tampa to coach with Jeff Jagozindski. He turned out to be a joke, so the Bucs turned to him…and viola.
I just think his system—a mix of short to intermediate passes, use of TE as a weapon as well as a blocker, some crossing patterns, outs, and slants—is a sucessful mix of what works in the NFL with a team full of taller wideouts and TE’s who can handle the running and passing game. You know…like ours :)
There are hotter names out there, but he’s been around the block in good and bad years and can work with a mix of talent. The biggest difference between what the Erhardt offenses typically do, and what Olson seemed to ask Tampa players to do, is the occasional crossing pattern and the language used to call and diagram plays.
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Excuse me but...
Familiarity breeds success it actually breeds contempt.
Jus’ sayin’.
(Backs from thread slowly)
"...and we're gonna be ready for them"!
"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck".
I see what you did there....
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
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by go_saleaumua on Jan 10, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
and maybe extend colquitt while we're at it
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Well, at least talk is cheap
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by reedeasy on Jan 10, 2012 12:49 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
So he can help someone else find their GM?
Chiefs D held Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the season. #RAC
pay them pioli. just pay carr at least, and franchise bowe, or pay bowe and franchise carr
i just cant stand the thought of watching one walk for nothing
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
RG3 to enter Draft.. Come on Pioli resign bowe and then trade him to St louis along with are 11/12 for the 2nd pick.
Then go out and get Marqus Colston or Vincent Jackson
This!
This is probably the only way tagging and trading Bowe makes sense.
Don’t trade Bowe for just any picks, trade him for a guaranteed shot at a franchise QB. It may work, it may not, but at least TRY!
Otherwise, Bowe is too good to give up a sure thing starter, just to try and draft a potential starter somewhere else.
Our draft spot (11/12) does not match up with our main need. (O-line) It’s too high to draft a Right Tackle or a guard. We’d be reaching instead of getting value.
If we stand pat at 11, I’d be happy with an Inside LB to join DJ, Hali and Houston. Or a CB to replace potentially upgrade Carr.
I think the best option is to try and tag/trade Bowe to St. Louis where they need a WR and will pay for one, while letting them get out from the strange position they are in. They basically get 1 instant starter and a probably starter and we get our chance at a franchise QB and potentially a dynasty in the upcoming years if it works. Otherwise, we’ll just languish in “not quite over the hump” land with Dwayne Bowe making decent QBs look good, but not much else.
Keep Bowe and Carr
dont trade them, and dont overreact to the fact that we were one game out of first place in our division without the best rb in the league, our 2nd best defensive player who brings our already formidable defense together, and an extremely talented tight end. Not to mention an inside linebacker in siler who always had a knack for making tough and big plays for the chargers.
What if....
Injuries happen. Maybe next year, it’s to Albert and Bowe, along with Hali and Flowers. Then do we say “Well if we had those guys…”
You have to overcome in order to win championships. I don’t think just returning our lost starters puts us over the top quite yet. We still have to figure out the O-line and depth issues at safety, corner, linebacker and probably running back.
I say we trade Bowe, Carr, and our 1st round pick to St. Louis
so we can get RGIII.
Faithless is he who says farewell when the road darkens...
PFF has bowe as the #12 WR? 10 drops this year.
they said he is a top 10 WR but is inconsistant at times.
curious what top 10-12 WR type money? 6 years _ milion, with _ million gauranteed? what kind of contract we working with here?
same questions with carr, what kind of money we talking about?
personally I would really like to sign both no reason to let talent go if we have the money we would be better off keeping our talent we already have and building off of it if possible. add atleast 2 starters ( one on the O-line, ) ( another one somewhere else ) fix the issue at QB either being orton, a FA like maybe jason cambell, or whatever just get a guy who can play that is not named cassell since we dont have the pick to get RG3 or Luck lets atleast upgrade from what cassell brings and only work with what is in our control. add atleast 2-3 solid backups at random positions, and hope we can draft a stud in the draft that we didnt pick in round 1 meaning someone from rounds 2-7 that was better than we all expected like Houston and Bailey was for us last year, we know we got talent in baldwin and hudson it was extra credit getting the talent we got in houston and bailey lets continue to draft like that.
by the great thunderlips on Jan 10, 2012 7:16 PM CST reply actions
But we don't have any more control in free agency than we do in the draft.
Less, most times. Any single free agent, we only have a 1/32 chance of signing him. We have as good of a chance of working the draft as we do working free agency.
I would like to bring back Orton, though. Regardless of the gooey personal stuff like Orton being friends with Matt, a QB needing to know that he’s the man….bah, humbug. I want this team to have the best players we can get top to bottom. Last year we suffered a lot because we didn’t have two veteran QBs on the roster, I hope Pioli doesn’t make that same mistake twice.
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