Chiefs Beat The Broncos And 18 Things To Remember
by Joel Thorman on Jan 1, 2012 7:45 PM CST
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Do we really need to have a picture of the guys foot?
180 yards/15 comp = 12 yards a pop….S A W E E T
I think YPA are more important than YPC...
180 yards/29 attempts = approx. 6 YPA… Not so sweet.
Glad we finished the season with a win though!
better than the 2YPA
Cassel was giving us
That doesn't make sense
He attempted some deep balls that weren’t completed you can’t really go by that logic. 12 yard per completion for an ok game is pretty damn sweet
I don't see this as ugly
Without all the main weapons it’s no shock our offense blows. The good news is our defense looks great and has for a while now sans the Jets game. When Berry comes back I expect a top notch D
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
I blame Plinko more than the D in the Jets game
Not saying they did good, but that O stayed on the field for about 30 seconds a pop
When you fail to prepare, you prepare to fail.
Jamaal above all. #25 ftw.
CHIEFS WILL!
by NJChieffan16 on Jan 1, 2012 7:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
me neither we need another receiver and Baldwin and Breaston need to pushed hard . They wilted under man to man from the Broncos and without Charles and battle the running game was what I expected .
I would love to see that Orton play action fake and Charles in the backfield though
by Willie Beamon on Jan 1, 2012 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Say what you will about Orton, he sells a hell of a play fake.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
It's a thing of beauty
Just imagine it paired with Charles.
Gotta thank McDaniels for that.
From Week 5, 2010:
despite Denver’s rushing woes this season, Kyle Orton is 15 of 20 for 315 yards on play-action passes in his last two games. This is obviously unique because an offense generally needs an effective running game to sell play action. But in this case, it’s yet another reason that we may need to step back and start looking at Orton as a near-elite quarterback.
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/smarterstats/2010/10/nfl-week-5-preview.html
The reason the play-action was so good was because McDaniels was using a pulling-guard trick that forced defenses to read it as a run, even if they knew the Broncos weren’t going to run. And Orton sold it so well, too.
Orton still does the same repetitive motion after handing the ball off. Whether it’s run or pass, it’s the exact same motion. I think if he’s the best at anything, it’s the play fake. Few QBs sell it like he does.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 1, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Some clarification:
I mean you need to thank McDaniels for teaching Orton the correct mechanics of it. I went and watched some footage of Orton after this game from early-2009, and then pre-2009.
He was still suffering from an ankle injury suffered in 2008, so he wasn’t planting so hard, but Orton already looked quite different. And compared to today, it’s almost night and day. Kind of a shame he was drafted by the Bears instead of a real team…
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
No one doubts McDaniels knows what he's doing. But I'm still unwilling to have him on our sideline.
Hoodie would never have apprenticed him (i.e. wrote him a five-page “How to Coach” guide and quizzed him on it throughout 2008) as he did if there wasn’t coaching skill.
Problem is, we just dropped Todd Haley because he could make it work with players and coaches but couldn’t get along with Scott Pioli. Do we need another young, arrogant Turk telling KC Wolf how to work a crowd?
McD has skills but I’d like to see if he grows into himself or not, or if he’s just going to be Little Bill again.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
He'd only be a coordinator.
I don’t see where that other stuff would even be an issue.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
I keep reading that Pioli views him as a "coach in waiting" while Crennel "takes the reins."
I’m hoping it’s just drivel, and that you’re right—he’d only be brought in to coach quarterbacks and call passing plays.
From what I read on Turf Show Times, he’s still figuring out how to use a running game around the goal line. (Of course, that wouldn’t be anything new around these parts).
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
Even if he was a coach in waiting.
Presumably that would be at least three years or so down the line, giving him time to mature and/or giving them time to change their minds.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
I'm having a hard time opening my mind on McDaniels, Tark. Got to admit it.
Mister “My Draft Board Had Less Than 100 Names On It” keeps rubbing me the wrong way. And he IS a hell of a coach, I know it. Look at what he did with Cassel, or what he continues to do with Brandon Lloyd.
I keep crossing my fingers hoping for Karl Dorrell from MIA, Chad O’Shea from NE, or Mike Sullivan from the NYG first.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
Would hate him as GM/HC.
Have no problem with him as OC, especially with RAC calling the shots.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Or Pioli, in this case.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
Orton
Chiefs should pass him by next season. He had a good first quarter and that was about it. Chiefs need a decent qb and stop retreading old qb’s/
So who decent do we trot in?
We’re not going to be able to snag RG3 or Luck…which draftable passers do we pick up, that could jump in and start at the NFL level in game 1, year 1?
Sign someone else? A poster from Louisiana keeps backing Flynn….other than that, who out there, as a veteran that we could bring in, is superior to Orton in arm strength or competence?
I don’t think he’s the answer, no, but he’s a legit quarterback and that’s something we haven’t had since Damon Huard got old in ’06.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
And if Hell freezes over and Orton turns into a new Trent Green, hey--we're all winners.
Likely? No. But that’s why we’ve got Stanzi and will likely pick up another arm in the draft…always keep searching for our #1 guy behind center.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
go_saleaumua, what would we do if they let Orton go, don't get Bowe and
Carr resigned, hire Crennel and he keeps his buddy Muir? And, name Cassel the starter going into training camp? What a mess that would be?
Crennel I could 'deal' with, he actually ran the game the right way today.
Let the players play, no need for hitting the timeouts or for anything too crazy. So I’d be ambivelant there, I guess.
Muir as playcaller? No Carr, no Bowe….unless some rabbit-outta-the-hat action happened during the draft, I’d be furious/depressed/astounded. I can see us losing Bowe OR Carr, but not both—and hopefully not either. And if Muir stuck around to coach the line, I’d be allright with that. But as OC? Without our #1 wideout?
Sad thought.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
by go_saleaumua on Jan 1, 2012 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Orton did amazing with this offense his first two games,
which is more than Cassel did in three years.
Keep him.
Orton didn't do crap....
…unless that end-zone interception counts. If given the choice between Cassel or Orton I would take Cassel every day of the week (and twice on Sunday).
For all Cassel’s issue (and yes I know he has many) he doesn’t give the ball to the other team very often…Orton on the other hand is an interception machine.
If you want any sort of vertical passing game
you risk a few picks. If you are Matt Cassel and only throw screens, you only throw game-ending picks on game-winning drives at San Diego.
It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.
Baldwin seemed to have a lot of trouble getting separation
from the defenders. It looked to me like he only got open on one pass.
I'm thrilled with today's results.
I hate the Raiders, so let the donks go 1 and done in the playoffs.
by bossmanham on Jan 1, 2012 7:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Likewise
Best case scenario really. End the year on positive note. Lose a couple draft slots but at that 8-15 range, not really a ton of difference in value.
Plus raiders don’t make it in, AND Tebow gets into the playoffs which theoretically will saddle the donks with him as the starter for next year.
I enjoyed the game
I think Orton should be our starting QB for next season. He throws some very good and accurate passes….very unCassel like.
He spreads the ball around and can make his reads pretty fast.
McCluster looked like Charles on his TD run….making it to the outside by pure speed. I can’t wait for JC to get back and do that all the time.
Having Moeaki back will lift a huge burden off of the offense. More playcalling and more options.
The defense was killer. The contained Tebow all game and made them try and beat us by throwing it or running McGahee.
I cannot wait for Berry to get back….oh man I’m salivating over what our defense can look like….ahhh man!! Pure domination!
Overall great victory to end the season on a high note…
PS… Sign Crennel as HC!
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 1, 2012 7:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Agreed -
On all points…
Angry Red, 'nuff said.
by chiefsfan62 on Jan 1, 2012 8:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
enjoyed the game
Orton should not be on the Chiefs next year. Outside of the Chiefs first score, Orton did nothing. Chiefs did nothing but punt after the first quarter. Chiefs need someone who can put points on the board and Orton ain’t it.
Disagree. Orton has to be our answer until we find something better. Trade, get value
for Cassel whenever the opportunity comes up. It is still possible that for one reason or another, that Manning becomes available, and is healthy. Look at Flynn, he’s a FA. Look at trading up with St. Louis for RGIII or whatever. If Pioli is the GM that he is supposed to be, he should, and I hope is, be looking at all of these possibilities. He also needs to get a “top” level coach, not Crennel. If Clark and Pioli expect this to be a SB team, now is when they need to make their moves, plus FA and the draft.
all of the possibilities :)
weighed without concern for sunk costs on past decisions.
We talk about CB’s with short memories, our GM has to be even better than that, to move the franchise forward
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
CB's need to forget the last play and play the next one great
We don’t want Flowers worrying bout that PI Call last play when he has a chance to jump the route this play.
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Pioli should look at all the possible players available to us
and select the one that will move the Chiefs forward
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
OK, thanks, I see. I love our corners. We just need another for backup and one
to play instead of Arenas when there’s a third big receiver or tight end. I sure like Arenas too but he does end up getting over matched sometimes.
As much as I hate the Broncos, I will say that Fox deserves some serious credit
for being able to have any success at all with such a turd for a quarterback. How anyone could find a way to keep the Broncos in games with Tebow consistently is pretty remarkable.
As for next season, I think we’ll learn all we’ll need to know about Pioli based on how he handles this offseason. We have the core of what should be a damn good defense for some time, and with Berry back we’ll only be that much better. But there’s a lot we need to do with this offense, even in light of Charles and Moeaki coming back.
Very True
Pioli needs to hit a home run on Staff. We have had 3 weeks to align our plans. They better be good.
Defense
needs on the D to me are ILB , NT and depth in the secondary
needs on the O are QB,RT,TE and RB depth
I would be happy to sse us resign Bowe,Carr and maybe Orton
trade cassel
if we enter next season with Orton ,cassel and stanzi
and fix the oline I would be ok with it ….
I just want some of the holes filled……………
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
needs on the O are QB,RT,TE and RB depth
Also a C/G.
If Hudson’s at C, we’ll need a backup for him and a backup/replacement for Lilja. If Hudson’s at G, we could use another young guy as depth and two C’s because we wouldn’t have anyone.
weigmanns coming back yo
you heard it here first! he’ll be hiking balls with his nubs at age 60.
Broncos won the surge in the trenches on most plays.
Not sure why Crennel went back to 3-4 after the 4-3 was actually holding at the point. Maybe not enough depth to run the 4 stouts. But it was demoralizing to see the Broncos getting 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 yards just running it straight ahead. And it wasn’t like there were huge holes. Just overpowering play.
KC tackles both hold up pretty well against ’tweener edge rushers.
Orton threw some nice passes. He also threw some not-great passes. Nevertheless, I see him as KC’s current #1 going into next season.
would of ≠ would've
I think Gregg is done for
Every time I saw him he was making tackles on the wrong side of the line or whiffing entirely. I like him and respect his veteran experience and leadership, but I doubt he’s irreplaceable next year.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 1, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
gregg
he might be a releif guy next season at best..
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Not only that but
He was getting dominated one-on-one, when that is happening to your nose tackle that’s how you get ran over in games.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
gregg
saw him and beltcher mis several takels…
Please Draft responsibly we fans can only take so much !!!
Been the case for Belcher all year and not much has changed
Its forgivable when your 330 pound Nose Tackle misses a tackle on a shifty running back, not so much for your ILB run stuffer week in and week out.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
there was a lot of over pursuit too
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
DJ was held big time on the broncos first
First down play… That should have been a third three and out in a row. We would have regained great field position. I think the refs just let them play and not call many calls
Go Chiefs!!!!
I don't think he and the wideouts/backs are always on the same page.
The pass to Dex Mex in the middle of the fourth—he throws to the flat but DMC turned around about three yards too late—shows errant timing.
"I’ve got to play well enough," he said, "so we can make it to the playoffs."
--Kyle Orton
to Mills
The Chiefs played Press Cover the entire game
so said the broadcasters after the game
that is a start
Dammit, thanks for reminding me
and my Titans got knocked out by our win today – but I would rather have a Chiefs win vs. the Donks than a Titans run in the playoffs. My sister’s boyfriend is from Houston and thus a Texans fan – I suppose I’ll hitch my wagon to them for their short lived run.
by Ochophosphate on Jan 1, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
We have scored an opening drive TD?
The fact that other offenses like Jacksonville, Indy and Cleveland have scored opening drive TDs is an embarrassing fact that should lead to Muir’s firing
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
Muir
the opening drive td thing is not important to me
but the play calling and winning the game is
yes i know good play calling = TDs
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More that other teams with far inferior talent have been able to drive down the field.
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 1, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
purely from an offensive standpoint
I mean what exactly has Cleveland got to work with. McCoy? Hillis? and Indy? Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky? Those two both average more points per game than us. I’d like to think Cassel, Bowe and Breaston is better than McCoy, Massaquoi, and Greg Little. Yet Cleveland average more points than us
KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round
by trentchiefsfan on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
All that matters is what is on the scoreboard at the end of the game
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 11:45 PM CST up reply actions
the Chiefs drove down the field on several opening drives.. they were just worthless in the red zone.
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Muir better be gone
Seriously. We need to clean some house in the coaching dept.
IMO the following guys need to hit the rd.
Offense;
Maurice Carthon
Richie Anderson
Bill Muir
Defense:
Anthony Pleasant
I would like to see some good solid coaches come in. Some good respectable guys that can really teach our young guys the way to play
I really like what Gibbs and Emmitt Thomas has done on defense. They should stay. One should be promoted to DC.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Add ST coach Hoffman to that list
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 1, 2012 8:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just curious
Why Pleasant?
Jackson’s had a pretty good year and Gordon has been a nice surprise, as well as the development of Bailey.
Honestly
I just don’t think our defensive line is all that good. Two top draft picks at DE and a savvy veteran NT and they still can’t do anything.
Maybe he stays because he is a young coach but I need to see more from TJ and Dorsey…especially at their draft positions.
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by Matt_Grbac on Jan 1, 2012 8:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough
While I liked the signing, it’s entirely possible Gregg just didn’t have anything left this year. Dorsey, I just don’t know if he’ll ever be that great in a 3-4.
I can agree
but want to see wha our new coach does… defense has gotten better as the season went
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But the talent really isn't there
Dorsey is better suited at a 4-3, Jackson is just solid, and Gregg might be “savvy” but he’s not that good of a player in his old age.
Draft position, snaft position, maybe they should show more themselves instead of switching out the coaches?
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
disagree
I like what I saw from the whole front 7 in general this year
by stagdsp on Jan 1, 2012 8:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
todays game plan on D
was for the D to stop the run and force tebow to throw it… and they did that to some extent the problem i saw on run defense was missed tackels by beltcher and gregg … yes Johnson missed a few and so did several others but more then not he make the play
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Should have been a shutout.
All things considered, they did a pretty damn good job. The Broncos, despite their limitations, have put up some points on teams at times.
Muir is fine
Just demote him back to O-line coach.
muir
I could go for that unless he thinks our right tackel is ok
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When has a coach ever accepted a demotion and stayed with the team?
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Gunther didn't take a demotion to stay with the team
He got fired, coached LB’s in Tennessee for a while, then came back.
your right
seemed to me he was interm for a little while but maybe i got my wires crossed
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We promoted all in season
we can go back especially with this staff to what we were.
Now is that the best plan and it all depends on WHO the HC is going to be
Houston
I like what i see from him… but i still think we need a couple more LBs one at ILB and depth
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Who knows what Gabe Miller brings either
Likely a long shot, but we’ll see.
Should Tebow ever be capable QB he is going to have to get much better.
Because the current version of him has been figured out.
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He can not pick a defense apart to save his life
He had open WR’s and didn’t even attempt to throw to them. Get in his face and he is useless.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
And yet...
I’d take him over Cassel or Orton in a heartbeat.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Me too
But at least Tebow has found a way to win some ball games this year. If Cassel or Orton “led” the Chiefs to any big wins…I guess I missed it.
I’m no big fan of Tebow…don’t get me wrong. But me personally? I’d trade Orton and Cassel for him. And even throw in a Palko for good measure.
At least he might make a good Fullback…if our team ever gets around to getting a good Quarterback.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I don't know how you missed the Packers game
If Cassel or Orton "led" the Chiefs to any big wins…I guess I missed it.
But I suggest finding a replay of it, it was pretty damn good.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
Cassel "found a way to win"
against the Chargers on MNF too, when the division lead was up for grabs.
Yeah...I know.
Sorry guys. Please excuse my another-disappointing-Chiefs-season-maybe-next-year blues. Happens about this time most every year.
I’m just pissing and moaning. And I’ll get over it like I always do. Carry on.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
I don't either, really.
I was just yapping. Mostly from fear of our team deciding to roll with Cassel and/or Orton for another year or two.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Especially
After the way you guys shut him down today. 20.6 QB rating. Nice. Not really a big believer in the whole QB rating thing, but damn.
The first game he only completed 2 passes.
Unfortunately, that was enough for the Broncos to win.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
Unless Tebow can evolve...
he won’t be winning many more games… It only took half a season to figure Tebow out. Without a stout defense he wouldn’t have “won” the games he won.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions
"found a way to win"
by being on a team playing great defense. Down the stretch, when they really need a win, they lost three in a row.
with one of the strongest legged kickers in the NFL
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
foolishness.
Just like novocaine. give it time; always works..
The greater the fall, the grander the ascention..
The glaring point I saw from todays game?
Is the same one I’ve seen all year long.
Our Offense is a complete joke. From the play calling, to the line, to our running game (or lack of), to our QB (no matter which one we played). We suck.
We will not be any kind of “contender” unless these issues are addressed. And unfortunately, that’s actually quite a bit to address in one off-season.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Jamaal back next season upgrades the offense immensely
As does Moeaki with his blocking and pass catching skills, few more upgrades on the linen and at QB we’ll be in business.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
Charles and O-line upgrades alone would help a lot
Orton could be a decent stopgap while they continue developing Stanzi and/or someone else they pick up.
Yes, having Charles back will help
But, I think we’ve seen what not having a #2 RB will do to a season.
Same with Moeaki.
And I’m sorry…but Cassel sucks. And Orton is only slightly better. Maybe?
Our line gets pushed around by almost everyone.
And the mistakes / penalties?
The play calling is…I can’t even begin to understand that one. Seriously.
Besides having Jamaal back, and having decent WR’s…I see our Offense as needing a complete overhaul.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
And we can go out and find a #2, just like we did Thomas Jones who was serviceable last year spelling Jamaal
Orton is much better then Cassel, and in an average AFCW he could put us in playoff contention every year.
Which is why I said we need to find a few upgrades, Albert-Hudson-Asamoah are a great start and will be solid rocks on the line for years.
Mistakes/Penalties can be worked on, and play calling can be better with a new OC
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
If McCluster can keep playing like he did today
He could spell Charles. Then McClain, if he’s re-signed, could be the power guy.
I'm fine with Battle as depth.
4 YPC from your #3 RB doesn’t suck, especially if our OL is as bad as everyone here says it is.
I'd be fine with that
Charles, McCluster, Battle and McClain.
I was kind of hoping we’d get a chance to see Draughn in action today just to get an idea of what he might be capable of.
Our OL is good at run blocking for the most part
Pass protection was the real issue, particularly with our smaller players on the line getting overpowered.
He just has zero burst, which is why I don’t want him. The ZBS is predicated on RBs that can find holes and hit them hard, why Jamaal is perfect for it. Battle, not so much.
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree about our run blocking
While it’s decent for the first 80 yards of the field, we really struggle close to the end zone. We need to get another guy who can provide push in there.
Which is why my dream offseason at this point involves drafting DeCastro in the first.
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Well no disagreement there
We’re just to small up front that’s the major thing
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 2, 2012 4:23 AM CST up reply actions
Very true
Replacing Weigs with Hudson will help. Hudson’s no powerhouse, but he DOES outweigh Weigs by 15 pounds. That’s pretty significant.
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We think it does.
Let’s hope they come back as good as they were.
by radyman on Jan 1, 2012 8:47 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Pray that JC's injury hasn't slowed him down....
Sometimes when a receiver or running back get injured, they’re never quite the same….I hope and pray this is not the case for JC!
by KCRiseFromTheAshes on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
I don't understand why the offense got so conservative in the second half...
It was like Haley was back.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
I think we got to see the counterargument to the "Bowe shouldn't be re-signed" crowd
Breaston’s a very good WR, but he’s not a number 1. And Baldwin needs to put it all together.
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based on the first half
We need to lock up Bowe.
by fairmont on Jan 1, 2012 8:49 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Totally agree.
Not sure if Baldwin can possibly fill in, though his progress had to have been hampered by the Palko fiasco.
by radyman on Jan 1, 2012 8:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Based on the other 15 games I disagree
This offense sucks with Bowe.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
This offense sucks even more without him
We’d probably be 0-16 trotting Palko out there with Breaston/Baldwin
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
The problem without Bowe isn't that he's irreplaceable.
It’s that the OC lost all confidence in the rest of the offense without him today. We need an OC that will take what he has and keep playing. That guy got hurt? Well, that sucks. NEXT!
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None of the other receivers were able to get separation from the defenders.
I actually did get to watch this game, and it seemed like Baldwin just could not get open. I think he need to work on his route running.
bowe injury
i do not get it…. still think they should of moved the ball better not like he is the only one who can catch a ball
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Another stat of note
We ended up allowing the least points of all the AFC West teams after 90 in those first 2 games. Apart from a few hiccups I was very pleased with the defense this year.
That is true...
But we didn’t play a lot of high powered offenses, Green Bay notwithstanding.
by radyman on Jan 1, 2012 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
We played 5 top 10 offenses this year
1 of them twice.
That’s not exactly a cakewalk…
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good play from the D
They played a 1920s offense, but you can’t blame them for who they play. So pumped for 2012 with another team’s castoff at QB. Orton is now 8-23 in his last 31 starts, catch lightning in a bottle!
Tony Romo's hand looked terrible.
Can’t believe Kitna doesn’t give them a better chance to win.
by radyman on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cowboys losing always brings a smile to my face...definitely.
My earliest Chiefs memories are watching guys named Dawson, Podolak, Taylor, Thomas, Bell, and Buchanan. So, yeah...I'm kind of an old fart.
Definitely Jets.
I can’t stand Rex Ryan and his blow-hard attitude.
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Oh, man, I didn't want to see that picture. Kuper's a great guy. I hope he can recover.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jan 1, 2012 9:03 PM CST reply actions
Congrats, Chiefs on getting your revenge
Holding the Broncos to 3 pts. Another particularly impressive performance by the D.
If only you guys could have done your part.
I would much rather have seen the Raiders in the playoffs than Tebow
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
My god
If we had a defense HALF as good as yours, we’d be playoff bound, instead of the cardboard cutouts we had on the field today. Say would you like to buy a Stanford Routt really cheap? You could throw darts at it and everything.
Thanks to Al+Routt we're going to have issues signing our #2 CB.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Maybe
But the joke’s still on us. We let go of Nnamdi because he wanted “too much”, then over-payed Routt. Or maybe it was the other way around.
lol
$60 million, $25 mil guaranteed?
http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-07-30/sports/29831982_1_training-camp-nfl-lockout-bus-cook
I would imagine if that was the strategy, then it failed.
What do you do now in Oakland?
Blow it all up and start over or going to keep riding the Hue Jackson train? Seems to me he’s very McDanielsesque in how he operates and that might not be so good for you.
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Shouldn't Hue
at least get to see the two drafts he screwed up?
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Do they actually get to draft this year?
As a Chiefs fan I hope he gets to see them.
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Probably
Some compensatory picks for Nnamdi and Zach Miller. We’ll just be missing the 1st and 2nd which we don’t do very well with anyway.
You have a 4th right?
A third max for Nnamdi and maybe a 6th for Miller? Still a couple opportunities at least to find something.
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Yes
And if we get a proper GM into place in the off season, then maybe we actually make the most of those.
I hope for your sake you do.
I hope for our sake you don’t.
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You know
I’m a defense first guy. So I don’t mind saying your team has a brighter future at this point. I’m just flat out envious of the way your guys have played this year.
It took 10 years of horrid defense to get to this point
But yes, I’m happy too…can’t stand watching teams march up & down the field on us.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
LOL
Then lucky you. We’ve had a horrid defense for 10 years, and still have a horrid defense, this year being one of the worst ones yet. Especially if you saw today’s game.
Much as we like laughing at the Raiders when they're down
As they do for us I’m sure, I think the rivalry’s more fun when both teams are good.
I don't know if he's a good coach or not.
But that trade for Carson Palmer was stupid, and that was all on him, apparently.
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Ya
We vary on that too. I’m actually liking it though. Palmer’s had some rough games, but when he’s on, he throws the kinds of passes Campbell can only dream of. He does definitely need to keep the picks down, but he did that today. Had a solid effort. And as for the draft picks, as I often remind people, our last First Round Pick QBs drafted were Marinovich and Russell.
Somebody from over here compared Campbell to Cassell, and I think that was more or less an honest comparison. It may well be that Campbell would have held us back, as many of you have said you thought Cassell was doing. But if Palmer, after a proper offseason and working with a guy he’s known since college, can find it, then we have ourselves a real QB. The kind we haven’t had since Gannon.
Which is partially why I’m here tonight. At this point, I’d rather listen to Chiefs fans bashing the Raiders (which you haven’t even done), then listen to the constant griping by certain Raider fans about Palmer.
Oh, I think getting Palmer was a good move.
I just think they way overpaid for him.
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See
The crux of the matter is, that Palmer is probably good for 3-4 years. If we can put together a good enough defense in that time, we could go all the way. If we do get there, then it’ll have been worth it. Plus, it’s a Raider tradition trading picks for players. We traded two #1s for Mike Haynes. A first and a second for Ted Hendricks.
Our problem is essentially the opposite of yours. You already have the D, and now just need a good enough QB to get you there.
Haynes and Hendricks were elite players.
I don’t think Palmer is an elite QB, but the Raiders gave up elite compensation for him.
To be fair, I ripped the Seymour trade too, and that’s turned out pretty well.
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Perhaps
But neither was Gannon before he came to the Raiders or Plunkett. Also Hendricks got off to a rough start with the Raiders, and almost got cut. Al had to pull rank for them to keep him.
You know, mostly, I just tell them over there. The deal is done. The Bengals are not giving those picks back, even if some people don’t like the trade. So the only thing to do now is hope for the best, and see how this thing shakes out. Course some of them over there are completely unwilling to do that.
seems Chiefs faithfull forget Dawson
was a Bust too till he got a chance in KC
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Opinions vary
I believe he’s entitled to as much time in as Cable had (and whom I couldn’t wait to get rid of). It’s been a particularly horrific year for injuries, the passing of Al, Chuck Bresnahan being foisted on us, and the GMship thrust onto Hue…it’s a lot to overcome. He ought to get at least one “normal” season before he’s really judged.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of firing someone after one year.
Unless you pretty much have to. Especially a year like this (don’t forget the lockout).
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Not what I meant.
I meant more like, “We had the money, we just didn’t want to give it to you.” But yeah, I’m sure Nnamdi didn’t mind.
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Would like to think Al knew better than that
For the life of me, never understood the logic behind it.
I don't know.
I know he was supposed to a player’s owner, but the whole Marcus Allen fiasco proved that he could be vindictive to his own detriment.
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Yes
He could be at times. He was a player’s owner in the sense that he would pay the players a fortune with no problem much of the time, but was skimpy with the coaches.
Exactly.
Hated to pay coaches, but loved to pay players.
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And you mention Marcus Allen
But that was nothing compared to not wanting to pay Gruden, trading him to Tampa Bay, and then having them beat us in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, that was just bizarre.
There was also the whole Shanahan thing too.
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Maaaan Cruz is ridiculous
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
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That's what happens when the other team doesnt cover you.
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The replay I saw had him beating bracket coverage...
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Chiefs defense
held the Raiders, Bears, Packers and Broncos to their lowest point outputs of the entire season.
Take out the 2-3 games where the defense said "F this" and we're a top 3 scoring defense.
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Best thing is.
Most of the core is still ascending, and they were playing without arguably their best player on that side of the ball. Another couple pieces, plus continued development of the young guys, and they could be dominant for years. Need to lock up Carr, though.
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And need an answer at NT.
I think they expect Siler to come in and raise the level of play at the other inside backer but you’re right about the other pieces. Houston has every indication of being a stud, Bailey will likely eventually make Dorsey expendable and our depth at CB is better then we think. Carr is a must signing and I hope after the display those two CBs put on today, Pioli sees that.
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I don't know how Siler will do that
He’s great at defending the run, but that’s about it. We’d need to take him out of Nickel Packages just like we do with Belcher…
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
The way we run sub packages we would probably pull out any ILB that we put in there unless Patrick Willis is available.
I think Siler raises the competition and if we believe him he was slated to be the starter this year. I’d like to see more depth brought in there but it’s not the huge concern that NT is or safety depth.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
Or we don't pull out the ILB, because he has coverage ability
Plus we pull the Nose tackle for Nickel packages as well.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Still an upgrade over Belcher
Who is “ok” against the run.
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I still have some hope for Powe
But it would be smart to add another option or two in case he doesn’t pan out.
NT Alameda Ta'amu, 2nd round draft pick
This is my pick for round 2.
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cmon Man
You saw Pope wide open for a 20 yard gain.
What if we had a Real TE to pair with Moeaki.
Damn New England would be envious of what KC does for a change
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
I like the idea of having a pair of TEs...
And I’m sure Pioli does too. I’m not against that.
Wait… were you meaning to talk about Pope or Powe?
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The way he's played lately, he'll be around in the 3rd
Might be worthy that late though.
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I'm going to stop predicting positive things
This is probably true.
Washington had some serious issues stopping… well, everything that Baylor did in the Alamo Bowl. I was wondering if that might hurt his draft stock. I know he’s just one guy… but damn. Mack Truck sized holes in that game.
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They had a defense on the field?
Do we go fetal and beg for mercy? Or do we pick up that broken piece of pipe laying on the ground and come up swinging? I choose pipe.
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions
HELL NO
DONOTWANT
If he’s there in the 3rd maybe but that’s it, he’s part of the reason Baylor ran for over 400 yards on the Washington Defense, he’s terrible.
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Had to be close on the Steelers, too.
Todd Haley lost 7 of his last 15 games by 20 or more points. It was time for him to go.
by joplin chiefs fan on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I looked at them.
I think they had two other games with fewer points. Their offense wasn’t real good this year.
Oddly, the most impressive of the those four games was the one who scored the most points. Holding the Packers to 14 points was extremely impressive, if you take a look at their other scores over the course of the season. And 7 of those points came late.
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I'm actually disappointed.
A great defensive effort, which we are starting to get used too, but our offense should not be this bad, injuries or not. I certainly don’t compare this win with the 2009 game. I don’t leave this game with near the same optimism I did with that win. I wanted to finally see some explosion on offense.
I don’t necessarily even blame the players that much. I don’t know why our playcalling is so damn conservative, especially in the redzone. I honestly think an OC, who is willing to trust the passing game, and utlize the weapons he has, will be almost as important than adding more players. Playcalling can make medicore offenses look good, by taking some pressure off of the O-line, and keeping the opposing defenses off balance. I don’t think we are as far off, talent wise, as many seem to believe. One more good draft, 3 or 4 good FA’s, to mainly add a little more depth, and this team can go places. They just need someone willing to let them do it! If you don’t trust your QB, or your offensive weapons, or are too obssesed with turnovers, then you end up with an offense called the Kansas City Chiefs!
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
I'd take consolation that Muir will most likely be out during the off-season.
I think our biggest focus should be getting a good OC and a good O-Line. After those are fixed, everything else is gravy.
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After Matt Flynns performance today I believe even more it should be Tom Clements.
It will never happen because it would mean going outside the family tree but he needs to be an OC somewhere and it might as well be here.
"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"
He was my choice this past year.
Haley sealed his own fate by promoting a lackey to run his offense.
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WHY would he be a great choice to scheme our offense?
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
He's been very successful in lesser roles.
And presumably he’s learned a thing or two in Green Bay about running an offense.
No, he’s not a sure thing. If he was, he wouldn’t be available.
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Needs for 2012-13 season
With our 1st pick we should draft OT Matt Kalil from USC, move Albert to RT or LG. So our OL for nest season would look like this: Kalil, Albert or Asamoah, Hudson, Lijia or Asamoah, Richardson or Albert.
Please not another season with Brich at RT.
Please please god no. That ship has officially sailed.
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Albert was probably our second best OL this year.
Why do people keep wanting to move him?
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So he can play his natural position
Whatever that is.
Agreed
He did a great job today, AGAIN, against some very good rushers.
Our offensive line, first and foremost, needs more power on the interior. Even more than B-Rich needs replacing (I know, I know, but I swear I’m serious).
Replace Weigs with Hudson (who, while not very powerful, is 15 pounds heavier than Weigs), draft DeCastro, and our line (as well as our RZ offense) looks much, much better.
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Wiegs is gone so there goes that issue
A run blocking mauler of a RT would help us out so much, JC would appreciate having Asamoah and a good RT to run behind, and that helps us out in the power formations too
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by nateforchiefs on Jan 2, 2012 1:35 AM CST up reply actions
We already have a mauler at RT
We need a guy who can pass block a little too, without having to keep a back or TE on his side to help him every single passing down.
But yeah, I think we’re speaking the same language here.
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How in the hell are we gonna get Kalil from USC?
He would be the first pick taken in just about every other draft.
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by averagegatsby on Jan 1, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Trade them Luck we get Kalil
obvious as hell
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 1, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
There's some crack being smoked here...
Kalil? At 11th/12th pick? Ummm…. NO. He’s not going to fall. Riley Reiff or David DeCastro. RT or G. Pick the other position in Free Agency.
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Or take DeCastro now and draft your RT in the 3rd or 4th round.
Take Ta’amu in the second to play NT. Line problems solved. Get the safety in free agency.
I do hope we resign Carr. Bowe… franchise him and let someone take a crack at him. Pick up one of the other stud WR’s in FA that doesn’t have a bad case of the dropsies.
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Line problems wouldn't be solved with Ta'amu
It would just make them worse ):
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by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Especially when we have a young NT project in Powe
And there are multiple NT’s available in FA. Garay, Soliai, and Pouha would all be able to give us at least what Gregg has this year, and likely more as Gregg’s faded down the stretch. Crap, even Franklin (everyone’s DREAM last year) could be had for pretty cheap at this point.
With a young dude already here and proven vets available, I see no reason to waste a draft pick.
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Flynn was alot more impressive then Kolb in less action.
Problem is the Pats and Lions pass D aren’t exactly top of the league.
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yeah, really seems very kolb, cassel like...and cassel actually had an entire season
id Really really like to avoid the signing and paying someone else’s backup qb to start for us strategy
Pay Brandon Carr/Romeo
Team Colquitt
Kolb's only good game in his career was against the '09 Chiefs
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
Please Not Flynn !!
I have nothing against Matt Flynn. He have one career game, and people want to give him the farm. We seen what happen to Arizona with the Kevin Kolb. Too much to lose for a 1st time start.
Matt Cassel will be fine next year now that Haley is gone !!! Look Romeo and Charlie Weis are good friends. Weis wouldn’t have any problem creating the playbook with Jim Zorn or Josh McD.
Richardson to important to cut, just take a look at the injuries to Green Bay OL.
Screw Flynn
I say go after free agent Peyton Manning.
Trade Bowe for a 1st & 3rd, sign Reggie Wayne or Pierre Garcon.
We’re set for 3-4 years
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
If Peyton's completely healthy
We wouldn’t need to change a thing at WR. If he can make it work with some of the guys he’s had in Indy over the years, he can make it work with Baldwin/Breaston/Copper/Urban/Horne/whoever.
He could solve the OC problem too.
Since he’s done a good job as OC in Indy.
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Honestly... I'd think about this long and hard.
Especially with a picks & players type of deal for him.
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Don't want to trade for him.
Wouldn’t mind getting him as a free agent, though.
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He won't be a free agent, Tark. You're smart enough to know that.
They’d have to try to trade him as part of the rebuilding project.
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It's not impossible.
The Colts will have to pay him a shit-load of money to keep him. It’s not a given they’ll do that with Andrew Luck coming on board. And any team trading for him would not only have to give up draft choices and/or talent, but they’d be on the hook for that huge contract and roster bonus too.
It’s not like I just thought of this on my own. A great many paid analysts have speculated that there’s a good chance he’ll be waived.
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I'd be all for this if it happened.
But if it’s a free agency issue, I don’t think he’d come to KC. If he was being traded, it’s a different situation.
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Where in the league would he find a better situation?
A young, good defense. A stud RB. A decent WR corps. A talented young TE…
If we address offensive line a little I don’t see where he’d be a better fit.
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Tarkus is right
The Colts aren’t going to pay $28m just for the right to get a couple draft picks for him. They could sign 3 elite established players for that money.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I'd like to see Richardson at gaurd
Its valuable to have a guard who has the ability to slide over and play tackle in case of injury. Haley and Muir screwed the pooch with gaither. One of the many questionable personnel decisions that helped get Haley fired.
by DenverDonkeyHater on Jan 1, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm.... this is a radical idea that MIGHT have some merit.
Personally, I’d rather have him has a back up.
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What are U Smoking
This is the NFL not flag football. By adding Peyton Wayne or Garcon, the offensive would be to old and we would have to rebuild in three years. Can’t to that again !! Remember what happen when Herman took over !!!
Chill, dude.
Adding Peyton would make us Super Bowl contenders right now and we can draft a project to groom to take over when he’s done. If we can add Peyton and a couple lineman to protect him, we’re a top tier AFC team immediately.
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IF he is healthy. He'd have to pass a serious physical before any deal would be agreed to.
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You mean
like the physical before he signed his new contract?
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Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there, but he bamboozled Indianapolis pretty good.
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Garcon is 25 years old & has been as productive as Bowe this season
Adding one old player doesn’t make the team old. If he’s fully recovered I’d take Peyton in a heartbeat.
Predictions:
I'm going to stop predicting positive things
I don't think you "fully recover" from the type of operation he had.
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I'll just go on pretending I didn't see this :)
Predictions:
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He could be in a wheelchair and still be a better option then Cassel.
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Recall Joe Cool !!
We did this back in 1993 when we brought in Joe Cool from the 49ers, that when we had a defense back in the day. I’m sorry that too much to bank, What about how much it going to cost U $$$$, !! Are you aware of what its costing Indy right now? They can’t keep Wayne, Garcon, and Mathis !! Peyton will need 2 TE, who do we have for him ???
Adding Mathis
I would like to see Mathis as DE. He would give us the pass rusher we been lacking sense Allen, Hicks, Smith, and the Late DT.
Mathis is 6'2" 245
He’d get eaten alive as a DE in a 3-4.
For comparison:
Dorsey is 6’1" 297
Gilberry is 6’2" 268
Bailey is 6’3" 288
Jackson is 6’4" 296
I agree
He’s improved as the year went along.
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He'd be an OLB for us
Like Hali and Houston, I think he’d do a pretty good job at that too…
Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!
by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 1, 2012 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
OC ?
If SD fire Norv Turner, I would rather Norv than Josh. Norv is a better OC the HC, and he does great job in developing young QB ( Cassel & Stanzi).
Mathis is better than all those guys. I just now starting to see life in Dorsey, Giberry and Bailey need more playing time, and Jackson is Jackson. Only 3 sacks in his career.
@lettergirl
I’m watching the new episide of Hoarders. Guy spent billions on a house and filled it with crap. Oh wait. It’s the Cowboys game. My bad.
Kansas City Chiefs: Undefeated in 2012, baby!
by Tarkus on Jan 1, 2012 11:10 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Providing COLOR commentary for Arrowhead Pride! AKA The Picture Diva!
Not a wasted season
If someone said the Chiefs would finish the year 7-9 w/out Berry, Charles, Moeaki, and Cassel would you say they were crazy? I know I would. Heck a lot of people thought we’d be that w/ all those players healthy. The defense really came into their own this year and we might have found the right head coach. Yeah we have issues but I think we made progress this year. With line help,better QB play, and better play calling and we could be a contender. Was far from lost year! I say we have more promise then any team in the division going forward.
by Brandt34 on Jan 1, 2012 11:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Totally agree but....
how do we get better QB play? No first rounders are going to be on the board and I just can’t believe that Cassel is somehow going to get better at this point in his career. Orton is better but how much better is a big question mark and he’s not under contract.
by DenverDonkeyHater on Jan 1, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
And this
Is why I’m glad I’m not the GM. There are a lot of options. They could keep Cassel, sign Flynn as competition, and draft one in round 2 or 3. Trade Cassel, sign Orton, and draft a QB. Orton won’t sign w us if Cassel is here. Try and package a deal w Bowe and others to the Rams or Colts for Luck or RG III and have Cassel keep the seat warm. What option do you all like?
by Brandt34 on Jan 1, 2012 11:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hard to see a scenario where we end up with Luck or RG3
too much competition for really the only two NFL ready prospects. However with so many QBs taken last year it might be a good year to snag a bargain in the 3rd round or later. I’d like to see Orton take a 2 year contract, dump Casse,l and draft another project to compete with Stanzi.
by DenverDonkeyHater on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
Who do you want to see gone next season?
I think I’ll be disappointed (for different reasons) if the following names are still on our roster next season: J
Jake O’Connell (we could use a much stronger complement to Moeaki)
Jerheme Urban (had a couple of bright moments, but…)
Jeremy Horne (was a project from the start, and doesn’t seem to be going anywhere)
Anthony Becht (seems like a nice guy, but shouldn’t have given the guy TG’s number)
Steve Maneri (again, nice guy, but a perfect example of lack of depth)
Tyler Palko (nuf said)
Barry Richardson (if he weren’t a free agent, I’d say hang on to him as a backup, but…)
Casey Wiegmann (I love the guy, but we need to upgrade)
Jovan Belcher (a nice story, and I wouldn’t mind his staying on the team, but he’s on the field more often than his talent should allow for)
Demorrio Williams (dropped off a lot this season)
Cory Greenwood
Sabby Piscitelli (the reason I hate the expression ‘the right 53’)
If we could upgrade on all dozen of these positions, we’d be a much better team. Of course, we probably need a better QB, but I don’t see that happening this off-season.
No offense to anyone else but,
I want to see all of these players gone. Richardson can stay but only as a back up tackle.
I agree with the list
though some might make good depth on a better 2012 Chiefs team
by Steve_Chiefs on Jan 2, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
I’d keep O’Connell, Horne, Maneri, Richardson, Belcher and Greenwood until a definite upgrade is found. Not like any of them are breaking the bank.
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