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Free Agency Talk Thread 1/1/12 - 1/15/12

"Who do you love? Who do you love?" - Quicksilver Messenger Service

So, who do YOU want, you being Scott Pioli ... wait, you're NOT Scott Pioli? In that case, your opinion has ZERO effect on what the Chiefs will do in the draft free agency, meaning ... you're in the right place! Names, thoughts, ideas, trades, comparisons, favorites, dark horses, links and all manner of things are right here, or will be by time Arrowhead Pride is done kicking the draft free agency football around.

Nobody knows football like Arrowhead Pride, we ARE the football experts (well, YOU are, I just toss this silly post up for all discussion to be in one, convenient, easy to find package. Go for it, soon enough we'll be seeing these every week) ... so what's going on in YOUR virtual office?

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"...the sky was yellow and the sun was blue,.."-GD

free agency folks are not Pioli’s strong suit. But if I were him, OL would be my focus.

if at first you don't succeed....Charlie Weis is soon to leave

by theSaukchief69 on Jan 1, 2012 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

depends, of course, how the draft goes ...

wait, Free Agency is first, right? omg I am SO confused from LAST year! ;-)

yah, need OLine and Secondary depth isn’t at all a bad idea, or RB depth … weak in draft this year I think, so get while the gettin’s good, Sabby and probably Langford gone so need players there for sure

and OLine, did we mention OLine?

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hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's as if Pioli sees things differently than you and I.....

He seems to want to draft and develop OL and focus on middle of the road FA everywhere else for low cost benefit v. production. Even Wiegs and Lilja had prior Chiefs connections. I think it is time to secure the line with some big-time beef and allow the QBs the opportunity for a throw down competition next year. Damn-has it been that long since the likes of HOF OL MEN-Roaf and Shields? Com’on man!

if at first you don't succeed....Charlie Weis is soon to leave

by theSaukchief69 on Jan 1, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

that's why I'd DYING for DeCastro in the first round ... our new "Will Shields"

damn the cost, full speed ahead!

and props on the GD reference above! nothing says “awesome” like skull and roses :-)

Twisted Lord of AP Color Commentary (H/T - Loco)
Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I have to rec that.

Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills/
One man gathers what another man spills

by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Why did that post on it's own?

Anyway, Don’t think we would have won today without him. Much improved player, and showed a real burst in running down Willis from behind.I think he’ll be back. We have bigger needs.

by 12t on Jan 1, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing him jamming and patrolling against the run.

I’m not very comfortable with him covering anybody for any distance.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 1, 2012 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

My focus' would be on...

resigning McClain Carr and Bowe
signing a backup center
signing a tackle
and a good veteran Mlb

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Add a RB to that list

Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011

by ArrowSpread on Jan 1, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the best way to address that need is through the draft

Terrance Ganaway is the massive power baylor RB
Jeff demps is a burner from florida

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 1, 2012 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

For all the bull that comes from Walter Football I like his most recent pick

He has us taking Trent Richardson. There are a bunch of guys who should be available, but I in no way would be upset with that

SEC no longer stands for Southeastern Conference. It now stands for Several Entertaining Chiefs.
I'm not saying, I'm just sayin.

by Backtozack on Jan 8, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

focus on the in-house FAs

I will be really upset if Bowe, Carr or McClain leaves.

Then, I like the idea of getting a couple of mid-level FAs (as Pioli usually does)

I would be VERY happy with:
RB: Ryan Grant or Green-Ellis
NT: Solai or Shaun Rogers
And maybe a decent G/C or RT at least for depth

That would really open up the options for the draft

by stagdsp on Jan 1, 2012 12:40 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Hope McClain is ok

Did he ever come back on the field today?

"An atheist is a man who watches a Notre Dame - Southern Methodist University game and doesn't care who wins." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

by electriclight on Jan 1, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Green-Ellis

is WAY WAY WAY better than Ryan Grant

"The greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"

Eric Berry counted to infinity -- twice.

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by SwimCoach on Jan 3, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Not going to happen but

Kareem McKenzie and Shiancoe and Ryan Grant would be a nice start.

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 1, 2012 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

Carl Nicks

That is all!

by fishhooks on Jan 1, 2012 1:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

9-10M$/year for a guard?

"Give them nothing! But take from them everything!"

by GenericBrand on Jan 1, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, so ... how much if we got David DeCastro in the first round of the draft?

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind this either.

Where we lose experience and dominance we get youth and promise.

by fishhooks on Jan 1, 2012 2:42 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

And dominance

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 1, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

probably not but..

It seems as if they have had to invest an awful lot to FAs recently.

by fishhooks on Jan 1, 2012 2:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Why not?

They spent a ton of money on their line last year. This year they are going to have to give Drew Brees a huge contract, and they still have Marques Colston to take care of.

Carl Nicks will be on a new team next year.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 1, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno. What New Orleans has going is pretty special.

If there’s a team that has the proper attitude for keeping a good thing going, it’s the Saints. I wouldn’t put it past Brees, Nicks and Colston to just do a 3-way split of the money that IS there, just because they’re ALL gonna be filthy rich and they’re having such a blast playing together. If the Invisible Hand (enlightened self-interest) is at play anywhere in the league, it’s down in Louisiana.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I think that would be a much stronger possibility if it were all linemen in this situation.

The Saints set the payment standards last year, and Nicks is going to be looking at that. They’ve already had to table talks with Brees who has made it fairly clear he wants something similar to Peyton Manning’s contract. And Colston could be a #1 WR for a majority of the teams in the league.

They’ve all got their Super Bowl ring, so that won’t be a major factor.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 2, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

yah, but going for multiple rings might be ...

when you can part of something that you consider “special” the tendency is to want it to continue as long as possible … the money itself isn’t as big an issue when you’re already making $5 Mil, what’s another million when you can be part of a dynasty

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

If I was a player on say, the Pats dynasty teams, and my contract was up, I’d be willing to take a lower offer simply to stay a part of that team. If you’re a big enough name and smart with your money, it shouldn’t matter too much if you “lose” a few million to stay in place.

by bh13 on Jan 2, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

BUT, there is always the potential to have multiple rings with multiple teams.

The money itself is not the issue, it’s the symbolism of that money. The standards were set pretty high last year for Saints o-linemen. Nicks has earned a contract that is on par (if not more) than the guys who got paid last year. So there is a respect factor.

Got to remember that the contract is how you show a player exactly how much he means to the team.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 3, 2012 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the year we invest in a franchise nose tackle and sign Solai

After signing him, outside of Safety Depth, OG, and OT, we should be somewhat solid.

by JC25FoMVP on Jan 1, 2012 2:11 PM CST reply actions  

Im telling you

Dont write off Allen Bailey. There is a reason Pioli took him in the 3rd. He is on fire

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 1, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

He's good at what he does. Still a question as to whether he can expand his repertoire.

Looked very good getting push 1-on-1 and getting off his block to close on the QB. That’s what the NT should do on pass defense. I’m not too sure about him against the run, when the o-line is bringin’ it, though. But it would be nice to have a NT who actually wraps up. But Bailey will never be a true NT. There’s a chance he’ll make it at DE in addition to sub-package DT, though.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 1, 2012 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I think we need to add a guy like Soliai to solidy us at NT

Bailey makes Gilberry expendable also, IMO.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 1, 2012 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

hey, Wallace had a knockdown today!

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

And a crap penalty.

That wasn’t roughing the passer.

by chiefFANatic on Jan 1, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

THAT was an atrocious call

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't it the "Brady rule"?

As set by the Bernard Pollard hit on Tom Brady. If a player is on the ground, he can’t lunge below the knees of the QB.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 3, 2012 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as they're running the nickel, I think the pair of rush DTs gives them some nice depth.

But yeah, Bailey’s made good progress, imo. But a Fletcher Cox or Derek Wolfe might make Gilberry redundant, as well as push Dorsey for snaps in the base D.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:14 AM CST up reply actions  

His writeup was intriguing.

What I liked was seeing his bull rush abilities, which can translate into 2-gap play. There’s a danger of a guy like this being only a 4-3 1-gapper.

In today’s league, there are too many QBs who are too mobile for gap-shooting fatties to track down, especially since they tend to be off-balance and a little out of control when they’re successful in shooting the gap. Many’s the time I’ve seen KC d-linemen get the penetration, only to belly-flop and get sidestepped by the QB. That was the thing I LIKED about the changes the defense has undergone in recent years. The big men are taking up space and keeping their feet. It’s TOUGH to scramble up the middle against our 2-gappers. They’re not running the QB down in space, but it was foolish to expect them to in the first place.

Let Detroit amass that kind of 4-man d-front, with Ndamukong Suh. Potential for greatness for a few years, there, but sustaining it is gonna be tough, now that they’re no longer at the top of every draft.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 4, 2012 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

are you serious?

why did Kelley greg play all the time then?

by tenacious rdc on Jan 4, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

We Need A Lot

We Lack Depth

Wide Receiver Depth – Copper, Urban, Horn are nothing more than Special Teams Players
Tight End – Chiefs might have had the LOWEST tight end rec yards this year
Offensive Line Depth – If one lineman had gotten hurt this year the Chiefs would have had a higher draft pick
Linebackers – Cory Greenwood, DeMorrio WIlliams, Sheffield are all special teams at best.
Safety – McGraw is too slow. Washington, Langford are not true safeties.
Corner – Is Jalil Brown ready to start of Carr leaves? If Flowers is injured who takes his place?

by Shackett on Jan 1, 2012 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

This post should be a statement to how far we have come.

You are looking for places to say we need improvement and you are pointing at our:

1. 4th, 5th, and 6th WR’s
2. 2nd and 3rd string TE’s
3. We did have lineman get injured and Hudson stepped in at guard and center effectively but this is a need.
4. 3rd string LB’ers who are supposed to be special teams players. I would be fine keeping these 3 as our depth at LB.
5. McGraw is not the problem he is bad but i would be fine with him if we had a quality 3rd safety and he was our 4th. Washington and Langford are special teamers.
6. Jalil Brown is our 5th CB? If Carr leaves Travis Daniels starts and Brown is our 4th CB.

by Jonathan Hake on Jan 1, 2012 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hudson hasn't had any time at center has he? Casey's streak is/was still alive I thought

1. We need six #1 WRs!!!
2. we need three #1 TEs
3. Above
4. No mention of STude?
5. We need S depth though
6. Gotta get Carr locked up

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 1, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

+#6!

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

CARL NICKS! PLEASE!

He’s the Saints fastest lineman, despite being 350 pounds. If you watched the Saints game today, you’ll see why I wanted him. He lays people out when pulling or on a screen, he’s a big and good blocker face-to-face, and he fits perfectly. Even for ZB, he’d be good.

by NigerianNightmare on Jan 1, 2012 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

Some are saying
  1. His price tag will be too high, and
  2. He’s not a good fit for ZBS.

I’d be willing to pay the guy, myself, and I think he’s athletic and smart enough to play ZBS. I’m just doubtful about counting your New Orleans FAs before they hatch. Seems to me they landed BOTH DTs KC was interested in last year.

Looks like KC got more production out of the Kelly Gregg acquisition, even though Gregg seems to tackle about as well as Tamba Hali: Poorly.

In Gregg’s case, I think it’s all about the stumpy arms. In Hali’s case, it seems like his hands just aren’t that strong. Like the reason he didn’t get the facemask against Tebow was because you actually have to be able to grab ahold for the head-turn to catch the eye of the referee. sigh

Love me some Hali, but for all his hand-fighting practice, he sucks at wrapping-up.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:27 AM CST up reply actions  

We need beef!

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by LadyChief on Jan 1, 2012 7:39 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

that was easy!

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 10:27 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You should change your signature to JC 2.0

or JC (mini me)

:)

Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.

by 58 was my friend on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

you also think certain other things are a delicacy ;-)

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

First thing I'd like

is an offensive Coordinator. Preferably one not named Josh McDaniels.

If Nicks gets locked up, goes elsewhere, or we just decide to be dumb and not pursue him, DeCastro in the 1st becomes a priority. Otherwise we should draft Jonathon Martin and let B-Rich ride the pine as a swinger.

FA I only want:
-Nicks OG
-Garay NT
-Craig Stltz/Jim Leonard S (not happening, but its always fun to hope)

I’d like to find another ILB (although we do have Siler still so maybe that can wait another year), I don’t think Belcher is cutting it personally.

RG3, its easy as ABC.

by shotty on Jan 1, 2012 7:57 PM CST reply actions  

Leonard is worse than McGraw

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 1, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

ILB

Stephen Tulloch through FA, or Dont’a Hightower in the draft.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 1, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Tulloch is a 43 ILB

Hightower is a prototypical 34 ILB

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 2, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

but likely go 1st round, yes?

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"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Early 2nd IMO

Could rise but ILBs that do not run a great 40 tend to drop

I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee

by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Tulloch could play ILB in a 34 scheme

I don’t see why not

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 2, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Tulloch has the skill set though.

And didn’t he play some 34 ILB with Tennessee?

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Elite guards can be found in the later rounds

I do not think Pioli would use a first rounder on a position that he could find in 3-5 round

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Depends on whether he wants to get upgrade right away.

Decastro would be an instant starter. Anybody from rounds 3 thru 5 is gonna sit out most/all of his rookie season.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Then it would make more sense to

sign a veteran guard in FA to a one year deal. Pick one up in round 3-5. Let him sit and learn the offense then let him start the next year. just like Asamoah.

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

elite anything in later rounds is sort of a contradiction in terms, IMO

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

K, P...

Wouldn’t mind drafting a kicker this year. Something about Succop worries me a little too much.

by 12t on Jan 2, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

only the times he misses or it's blocked ...

… other than that he’s good :-)

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo...

What if he pulls a hammy?

by 12t on Jan 2, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

His new $14 million contract?
Something about Succop worries me a little too much.

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 3, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

My wish list

1) Paul Soliai – NT – Dolphins
Should solidify the NT position. Gregg isn’t getting the job done. I wasn’t a Franklin fan last year, and I like Soliai better as a 2-gapper.
2. Matt Flynn – QB – Packers
Is he Steve Young or Elvis Grbac? I’m not a fanboy yet, but I don’t see Orton or Cassel as long-term answers, so QB should always be high on your wish list. If Manning is cut, he instantly becomes my #1.

Nicknames I have coined:

Jamaal Charles = 'Haley's Comet'
Shaun Smith = 'Big Nasty'
Kelly Gregg = 'Old Gregg'

by Nick Britt on Jan 1, 2012 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

yah, not thrilled with Gregg either

can we get that Waters guy from the … oh, wait … never mind :-)

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Flynn was definitely impressive against Detroit.

It’s a tough call for me. It seems like the Chiefs and Kyle Orton have hit a stride where both sides are finding a level of comfort.

If we sign Flynn, then I think we have to commit to that direction and cut Orton. I want there to be absolutely NO controversy at QB.

"You can't be fat and fast too; so lift, run, diet, and work." ~ Hank Stram

by citadelchief on Jan 1, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

remember this: whoever it is, if he doesn't do well the "controversy" won't be about QB, it'll be about Pioli keeping his job

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Winner: 2009 Nostradamus of Arrowhead Pride Award
"I shall conquer untruth by truth" - Mahatma Gandhi
"It's always easier to sell 'em some shit than it is to give 'em the truth" - Shel Silverstein, The Perfect High
hi, Mo! 5 minutes!!!

by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton is a free agent.

We don’t have to worry about cutting him. We have to worry about signing him. Until the Manning situation shakes out (and I’m concerned he’ll never play to his elite level again) there isn’t that much out there at the QB position.

Matt Flynn, two career starts along with a spotty college career at LSU until his fifth year senior starting gig, leading to a BCS national championship. Probably upped his worth considerably with his showing against Detroit last week.

Jason Campbell? Meh.
Brady Quinn? No thanks.
Rex Grossman? Worse than Orton, imo.
Alex Smith? No, and the Niners will likely keep him anyway.
Vince Young? Nuh uh.

Even though Orton is indicating he probably won’t look to sign with KC, he is the best FA option out there and Pioli should pursue him. Hanging your hat on Cassel alone is a poor idea, and we all know Stanzi needs some development.

Then draft a QB this year and every year until one pans out. It’s time for KC to develop their own QB!

It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.

by neiowakcfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Campbell and even McNabb would be solid, if the protections are there.

Nice blend of arm and mobility that hasn’t been showcased as well as it might.

Grossman’s similar to Orton, but more mobile. Like Orton, he’s a solid journeyman who can be a very nice starter for a well-built team.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 4, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I know this reply is three days' old, but Mills...you talked up McNabb?

Did he pay you?

…Campbell is worth the investment. That man is a solid QB. He’s a leader who can buy time with his legs, he has an above average arm and decent accuracy. Campbell is exactly who we all want Cassel to be, and who Orton would be if he had any scrambling ability whatsoever.

Not a world-beater, but if he was signed somewhere and left alone, he’d win some games.

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by go_saleaumua on Jan 7, 2012 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Heh. "(E)ven McNabb," said I.

McNabb has a whiff of Eau d’Underrated about him. Not one to lift a team on his shoulders, but one who might surprise hell out of everyone, under the right conditions. The last couple places he played weren’t very conducive. And if you like Campbell, or find him tolerable, remember he looked for shit in Washington a couple years before McNabb played there, and it ain’t like St-Louis Minnesota went on a tear, when Bulger Ponder took over for Warner McNabb.

It was easy to see McNabb wasn’t as escapable as Ponder, but maybe MIN was just a team more in need of OL than Houdini.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 8, 2012 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think Manning gets cut, unless he's damaged goods.

Flynn looked better than anybody KC has, right now. It’d depend on the asking price. But a 2nd- or 3rd-rounder for an NFL-ready QB would be fine by me. Grain of salt is the quality of the product Gunther Cunningham is putting on the field.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Manning and Luck will not be on the same team. I just don't think there's a way.

Nor do I think the Colts are willing to just swallow a $28 M hit on that bonus he’s due before the trading period begins….

they have serious free agents to re-sign, they can’t afford to be “wasting” money. If they are fully committed to Manning, they won’t draft Luck. But we’ll know for sure (as if we don’t) that they’re drafting Luck when they cut Manning.

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Flynn is a free agent so he wouldn't cost a pick

It’s been widely reported that GB won’t re-sign because he is going to command starter money. I agree with not wanting a QB controversy with Orton and Flynn on the same roster. I think Cassel would be fine with being the backup, since you know, that’s really what he is.

by Ray Brown on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I have a feeling Flynn will be another Cassel............

………….OK QB but not enough to really take you places. I could and usually am wrong so take it for what it’s worth.

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by Masons on Jan 2, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

So do I

and I think Pioli does too. There is a reason he excells in GB. They have an explosive offense

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by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And seriously

do we have to keep taking other teams’ backups? What I wouldn’t give to draft and develop a legitimate franchise QB of our own.

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by scottbwalters on Jan 3, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree...

Cassel has never and will never put up 45 points, or throw 6 TDs. Flynn wants starter $$$ because he has starter capability. Cassel is and will always be mediocre.

Very disappointed in our Mr Pioli at the press conference.

by crazychiefsfan on Jan 3, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yay Flynn threw 6 tds and he is a starter!

Woo hoo
2 games against a bad Pats D and the Lions D that hasn’t been able to stop most teams from scoring.. lets sign him up!

Oh wait..
Cassel did those things on a stacked Pats team
Kolb did those things on a good Philly team
Why should we go after a guy who steps in on a stacked Packers team and has a good game or 2?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

He has not proven himself to deserve starter money off of two games

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by DrewPorter on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

serious question ... about Flynn, you said:
There is a reason he excells in GB. They have an explosive offense

but we all go on and on and on about Charles, Dex, Moeaki, Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin … as if those players alone are the epitome of an explosive offense

are they not? are we deluding ourselves about what THOSE guys can do? and if they ARE as good as we all like to think, then why wouldn’t Flynn excel here with our guys?

just food for thought :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 3, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

The system in GB is proven with those players

The system(s) here with these players, are not. Hell we could have Moss and Welker and not really utilize them under Muir

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks, Drew ... now I know :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 3, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Most of the teams that QBs stepped into

Lately Cassel/Kolb/Flynn had good starters to build the team around, and the back ups had just enough similarities to the starter to be able to make it work. Not like Manning and Painter, that team was built for Manning

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 4, 2012 5:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Cassel stepped into a stacked Pats team

Kolb stepped into a good Philly team
Flynn stepped into a great Pats team

THEN those players move onto other teams after there is hype about them

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

While Manning's better than Painter, Manning wouldn't've been himself this season, anyway.

They’re a team trying to re-load. Hard to say if they go hard after OL, or just go for QB and build team with what’s left over. Their best bet for the future is to engineer a trade for Manning, if they can snooker somebody into it.

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by hmills110 on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not according to the NCAA and

we could still let #7 hold Flynn’s clipboard, so he can get another ring.

by Ray Brown on Jan 3, 2012 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

cause according to their page the 2003 USC Trojans are listed as co-national champions. #7 was on that team, was he not?

http://www.ncaa.com/history/football/fbs

by SCKSChief on Jan 4, 2012 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

yup, national champion clipboard holder ... w000t!

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by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL

Actually, he played…TE. LMAO

by SCKSChief on Jan 4, 2012 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Caught an onside kick too

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 4, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

The moment #7 waited for FO 8 years

Matt: Yo Carson, I finally kicked your arse
Carson: Congrats, btw you know I just join this team 4 days ago, right?

Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.

by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I thought that they had to vacate wins for Reggie Bush taking moneys etc etc?

I don’t know whether or not that means they forfeit their 3-way split national “championship”.

by Ray Brown on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

2nd or 3rd Round for Flynn? May have been if KC didn't end McCarthy's GB winning streak

:O

Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.

by 58 was my friend on Jan 3, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Flynn

I see above-average arm strength, tendecy to underthrow deep, and quite a few floaters. Not afraid to make a decision on a pass. Knows when to throw it away, steps up in the pocket. Better than Cassel, just not by much.

I say maybe a 4th would be worth it. However, I honestly believe the Redskins are going to give up much more than that for him. Some Snyder consistency right there.

by ScoutSoldier on Jan 5, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

My list.

1. Carl Nicks – OG – New Orleans: We need some power along the interior, and Nicks gives that, but is also athletic enough to adjust to our system. He’s a top 5 G right now, 26 years old, and almost certainly will be a casualty of the Saints spending big on the line last year and trying to retain Brees this year.

2. Antonio Garay – DT – San Diego: He has the ability to penetrate and get after the QB. I think we need that somewhere along the d-line. I’d like to see him in a rotation with Powe. Not as big a name as Soliai or Franklin, but that’s why he makes sense to me. We’re not going to be able to just add all of the top dollar guys.

3. Ronnie Brown – RB – Philadelphia: He’s not a premier back anymore. In fact, he probably only has 3 or so years left on him. But he can take it up the middle and still has big play ability. He already plays a similar role for the Eagles as the counter-balance to LeSean McCoy.

4. Tony Gonzalez – TE – Atlanta: Bring him home. After the Falcons fall flat this year, Tony might want one more shot at making some playoff noise. It’s doubtful any of the premier teams are going to have a need for him, so a homecoming is not out of the question. He still has some game in him and it would be fitting to end his career where it started.

5. Kerry Colbert – WR – N/A: Still scratching my head over why we cut him loose. I thought he played very well as our #4 WR. Copper has done pretty well these past couple weeks, but Colbert should be able to beat out Horne and Urban.

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by citadelchief on Jan 1, 2012 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, but I've also watched him play this year and have looked at his situation.

He’s the #2 back for a passing team with a line that isn’t designed for a RB who plays his style of football.

You can’t just sign all of the best players. You have to have role players, specialists, and depth chart guys.

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by citadelchief on Jan 1, 2012 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Ronnie Brown's a good all-around player.

I just have doubts about his football IQ, sometimes.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 2, 2012 3:35 AM CST up reply actions  

In this FA RB class, Ronnie Brown would be about my #5 choice

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by Nick Britt on Jan 2, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

lemme guess: not good stats, huh?

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

hell, TJ can do THAT

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. Not that I'm saying bring back TJ.

Though I think they used him horribly this year. How many toss sweeps did they run with TJ and then run Dex up the middle? A lot. That’s too many.

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by kwhitegocubs on Jan 3, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe Haley was trying to prove to Pioli that we need more beef on the OLine :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 3, 2012 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah. I just think that using a guy for only one thing gives away too much.

That’s why I don’t like the Thunder and Lightning thing as much as a lot of folks. Your RBs have to run inside, outside, and catch the ball. When they’re better at one thing, defenses tend to overplay the one thing, giving them opportunities to do different things. Mixing it up is the optimal path.

That’s why I generally prefer the 5’10’’, 212-pound to 6’0’’, 230-pound types. Quicker than ‘most any LB and stronger than ’most any DB. Rugged. Tough. All-around. Don’t pigeonhole your offense by the runningback you have on the field.

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by hmills110 on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I was being facetious, I thought

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by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Matt Flynn

The only way I’d want him is if we brought Tom Clements(GB quarterbacks coach)in to be the OC.

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 2, 2012 12:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

here's an idea I've been floating around in my head, and perhaps it should stay there

what do you think about Arenas switching to safety if they can re-sign Carr and draft a Kirkpatrict or a talented CB prospect?

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I would try Kirk out at safety before Arenas

That might be his best position as it stands

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

hmmmmmmmmmmm ...

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been working on my mock off-season for awhile now

Here are free agents I think could help, and are, for the most part, more of that 2nd and 3rd tier of guys Pioli usually goes after. This is mostly depth with some starters mixed in.

Starting backwards here:

S Tom Zbikowski (Bal)
S Jim Leonhard (NYJ)

NT Paul Soliai (Mia)

DE Chris Hoke (Pit)
DE Igor Olshansky (Mia)

OG Ben Grubbs (Bal)/ Carl Nicks (NO)

TE Visanthe Shiancoe/ John Carlson

WR/KR Tedd Ginn (SF)
WR Legedu Naanee (Car)

RB Mike Tolbert (SD)
RB Michael Bush (Oak)

QB Josh Johnson (TB)

I’m for re-signing as many of our own FAs as possible, if only for depth or training camp fodder.

Now I’ll go post the same thing in the draft talk thread to explain my picks….

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

not at all bad :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Josh Johnson could be an interesting RG III consolation prize

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

not that they are that comparable, but JJ always seemed to me like a project with a lot of potential.

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

He could be a good QB

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Tolbert or Bush would be great

Not sure how likely they are to be available or that they’d want to split carries with Charles, but they’d make a nice combo I think.

by bh13 on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

great pounding backs

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by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Bush, yeah

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by upamtn on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't both already share carries?

If it wasn’t for the accursed paycheck, would I really imprison myself in this dungeon of the human soul?

by electriclight on Jan 3, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

But you never know when a RB is going to want to go out and try to be “the guy” somewhere.

by bh13 on Jan 3, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Best year in a while.

our needs are clear, and if Pioli screws this one up…Well, if B. Rich is starting next year, I’d like to invite him(Pioli) to dinner…and punch him in the mouth.

by 12t on Jan 2, 2012 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

ha!

can’t really say I disagree.

I really hope there isn’t a bunch of temptation in the front office to use the injuries as an excuse…it is nice for us fans, but I don’t want Pioli thinking that way:

Free agents? We don’t need no stinking free agents! we had a strong SOS and injuries to three blossoming stars…all we need is to stay healthy

Pioli has the money, a deep crop of FAs available, a good drafting spot, and needs.
2012 season should be the one where we become perennial playoff contenders like the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Saints, Packers, Giants, etc….

IMO, free agency this year will be more important than the draft. I’ll have a good idea for next season based on what Pioli does or doesn’t do March 1st.

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

We also have a lot of FA on our team

I look at this as an opportunity for improvement.

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by Nick Britt on Jan 2, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

most of which are good depth as 2nd and 3rd stringers

i’d keep many of them, just not at their current depth spots

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by chief Stevie_k on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

We should Be Able To Get::

1. Brandon Lloyd WR- I have Josh Mcdaniels being the Chiefs OC, and Brandon Lloyd flaat out said he will practically go wherever he goes. and whether bowe is re-signed, or not, he’d be able to help. some disagree but i like it.
2. Visanthe Shainco TE- Yes, Tony Moeaki is comign back, but he couldn’t stay healthy in college, and got hurt this year, so i have worries about him. Pope didnt get the job done with him on IR this year, but Shainco can, and even if Tony M. Is healthy, We’d have a great TE duo.
3. Cliff Avril DE-- Avril, on the lions is a great pass rusher, and since Jackson and Dorsey aren’t playing that great and making tackles and getting to the QB, Avril would be a great pickup. (And we could trade either Dorsey or Jackson for more picks!) The Lions have a lot of young d-linemen so he may not be on the top of their off season players to sign.
4. Chad Henne/Matt Flynn QB- Now , this is only if Orton is not brought back. If the staff is a bit not confident in Cassel, they would be smart to bring in Flynn. He may not want to come to a place where he may not start, but I think he’d be able to easily win the job over Cassel with what Flynn has shown. If Orton is re-signed, I see the Chiefs trading/releasing Cassel for money reasons, and Cassel wouldn’t want to be the backu since he can be a starter somewhere else. Then if that happens, They should bring in Henne, who would be a great, quality backup if anything goes wrong with Kyle Orton.

by AaronMannicci on Jan 2, 2012 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

I agree and disagree

1. Brandon Lloyd/McDaniels is realistic and it sounds great. I love it
2. I have been thinking the same thing about Shiancoe. He is a big physical target and the TE that could dominate in KC
3. However on your last two points I disagree. JACKSON AND DORSEY ARE NOT FAILING. The chiefs drafted them to stop the run and take up blockers, NOT rush the passer. They are doing what they were drafted to do. The chiefs use Hali/Houston to rush the passer. Plus if they were to replace one of them they would use in house guys such as Gilberry or Bailey.
4. Matt Flynn’s FA stock is way too high right now. If he is the real deal he resigns with GB if he is not then we dont want him. Chad Henne? why get another matt cassel

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by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Gilberry is a free agent.

and Green Bay likely won’t re-sign Matt Flynn because he will want starter money and a team where he can at least compete for the starting job. That is not Green Bay.

It is time to anoint the Stanzi. He is The One.

by neiowakcfan on Jan 3, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Aside from Cassel who are you referring to?

Favre was a backup
Steve Young was a backup
Kurt Warner was a backup
Matt Schaub was a backup

Flynn has been considered by many to be the best backup QB for the past few years. Did anybody watch the poise and throws he made against Detroit? How did Cassel do against Detroit?

by Ray Brown on Jan 3, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Kyle Orton, Tyler Palko, Thigpen

Yes there have been a few times in history that a backup becomes a great starter but it doesnt happen often. Flynn succeeds because of all of the talent surrounding him

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 3, 2012 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Flynn did that without Jennings

I would say our next three are better than Green Bay’s. Also remember that OLine had two or three starters out. Plus your arguement about Thigpen is bull, we pulled him off Minn.‘s practice squad. This was Palko’s last hurrah, he wouldn’t even have this job if not for ole uncle Todd. It’s all about talent evaluation.

by thegrisdaddy on Jan 3, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

DeBerg, Bono, Gannon, Grbac, Green

KC has been doing it for 20 years

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 4, 2012 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Aside from Lenny you could argue that Green, Gannon and DeBerg have been our best QB's.

It’s not a reach to say that any of those guys are super bowl level talents either.

by Ray Brown on Jan 12, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

well we had a hell of a defense in the 90's

DeBerg, Bono, and Grbac took us no where deep in the playoffs. but when we got a legit QB like Montana, believe it or not, we went deep to the AFC Championship game.

Franchise QB will elevate the team of average players to great things. A team of great players are more often than not held back from greatness by average QBs

KC Draft prediction: No OT taken in first round

by trentchiefsfan on Jan 14, 2012 5:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Clif Avril

Clif Avril would in no way shape or form replace either Dorsey or T-Jax. Avril is strictly a 4-3 rush end, he does not fit what the 3-4 requires out of it’s ends. He’s 6-3 260, smaller than Tamba. Avril would have to try to convert to an outside linebacker for us… big cost for a guy who would be a backup and has never played the position before.

by Everest on Jan 2, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And even then

Justin Houston would beat him out. Not worth the money

Dexter McCluster

by DrewPorter on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Taking out Avril as said below, and also #4

1. We would have to lose Bowe for Lloyd to be a real option IMO, with McD staying with the Rams there is a very little chance Lloyd leaves, he said he was tied to McD.

2. Wouldn’t mind the pick up if he was semicheap.. a lot of people will complain about those words, but if we retain Bowe. Bowe/Breaston/Baldwin/Dex/TonyM/Charles.. adding in Shainco could be difficult

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 5:40 AM CST up reply actions  

McDaniels is tied to St. Louis for now

Who knows what tomorrow holds…

Me and Matt Cassel just - you up, dog!

by ChiefWarPaint on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Well yeah I can only go off of today silly

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Pope was a lot better

when he had a QB that could throw a ball. Palko made everybody look bad. He’s at least a good #2.

If Dwayne Allen (Clemson) or Coby Fleener (Stanford) fell in your lap in the 2nd round – yeah, you draft him.

want insurance at the tight end? Free agent – Randy McMichael – San Diego, Antonio Gates’ backup. he’s been solid stepping in when Gates is injured.

by tenacious rdc on Jan 4, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the way I see it, too. But folks around here want to see fresh blood at TE.

Becht actually made some nice plays blocking and receiving down the stretch, with Orton throwing him some nice passes.

would of ≠ would've

by hmills110 on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's pretend that Berry, Moeaki, and Charles were not injured, and they were never on the team.

Then, if you told me that we signed, a top 5 RB, with blazing speed and who is young, and very explosive. A 3rd year safety who is good in coverage, the run game, brings in a ton of upside, and is arguably the best Young, Safety in the league, and who has the potential to be a star in the NFL, and then A young 3rd year tight end, if who can stay healthy, can be someone you can throw to over the midle, or on any play when you need a sure completion. If you told me that we signed these three players, I’d be feeling pretty good about our team. I’m big on signing free agents, but really, the only HUGE need we have is at The Offensive Tackle. I do think that what I said before, above this post, on who we should sign, would be very smart, and i do still think we should sign them, but im just looking at this from another point of view. So we all (including myself) may be a little too ahead of ourselves. -——————-But psh, i still want Brandon Lloyd, a LOT!

by AaronMannicci on Jan 2, 2012 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

If we get the McDaniels/Lloyd package deal

I think that only increases the chances that Bowe is gone. Although could you imagine a 4WR set of Bowe, Lloyd, Breaston and Baldwin with Moeaki in the middle? Damn, I think that would rival any team in the league.

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by scottbwalters on Jan 3, 2012 12:30 AM CST reply actions  

I would rather have Charles out of the backfield with that set than TonyM

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 5:38 AM CST up reply actions  

You do know that a lot of JC's success relies on the success of our TE opening up the middle and taking out the LBs

JC would have a hard time breaking thru the second level with a threat in the middle

JC and Moeaki is very much tied together

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by 58 was my friend on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

correction
JC would have a hard time breaking thru the second level with a threat in the middle

JC would have a hard time breaking thru the second level without a threat in the middle

Todd Haley - Crennel just prove to the world that you're a f***ing Joke! Matt Cassel - Orton showed with 3 weeks of practice you can beat the world champions. #7 your legacy is...you don't have one, you're a backup all along. Should never have been a starter in the NFL.

by 58 was my friend on Jan 3, 2012 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh with the 4 wide set, the defense will have to be out of the box

You can run Jamaal out of that set, or throw it to him out of the backfield like I suggested, no TE needed when you have 4 wide.

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

oh, so we need a Spread Offense System QB! (huge grin)

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by upamtn on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

we had Warren Moon awhile back didn't we? the QB that made famous the RUN N SHOOT

just saying’

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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

true dat, though different "era" but yeah ... Moon was special (in his day)

but seriously … if the “spread” is so great, why isn’t it used all the time in the NFL? imagine all the “system” QB’s who’d be KILLER GOOD ELITE if only the spread offense really worked all that well at this level

as Prof Mills pointed out elsewhere, when you run the spread a killer fast defense gets to the QB almost every time and … so much for the offense

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by upamtn on Jan 4, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

yup

i’m a non believer in spread offense. aaron made it look really good, so did brees (from time to time)

i’m a west coast offense guy. i like to grind it out 3rd and 3, 3rd and 1, short passes, eat up the clock on long drives, take little chunks and sustain long drives – THAT my friend my way of killing even the most STOUT defense. But to date, on Joe Cool was able to perfect that system. :)

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by 58 was my friend on Jan 4, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It all depends on your talent. But the offense you describe was also run by Denver under Elway.

And I like that style of offense. Nice to have quick strike, and sometimes the easiest way to score is with the long ball. But the ultimate is the long, grinding drives, backed by a defense that dares the offense to throw deep. Worst case, trade long scoring drives for short ones, and wear ’em down.

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by hmills110 on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Martyball

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by upamtn on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not exactly Martyball

Martyball was more like 4th and inches at opponents 23, Lets kick a FG with Lin Elliot because he’s didn’t feel confident with the league’s most dependable short yardage RB…some old dude name Marcus Allen

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by 58 was my friend on Jan 5, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't consider that Martyball, either.

Martyball didn’t include a passing game to keep things honest. Interior 3 isn’t end-all, be-all.

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by hmills110 on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I think people forget how much those short passes set 'em up for the long ball.

When the 4-yard pass, with 4 YAC puts you in 2nd and 2 with little trouble, defenses start loading up to stop it, and then you sneak behind ‘em, with relatively quick passes. Most of Jerry Rice’s longer passes were off 3-step drops, against defenses who were set up by the maddening, grind-it-out short game.

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by hmills110 on Jan 5, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgot to add that long offensive drives also equal

extra time for your own defense to collect themselves and go out fresh on the next series

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by 58 was my friend on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and keeps the other offense off the field

but you guys all know that :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ty, it does :-)

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by upamtn on Jan 3, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear everyone throw Paul Soliai's name around

but I just dont get it. Throughout his whole career which begun in 2007, Soliai has only 97 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 FR. Now in 2011 Soliai only had 27 tackles and 2 passes deflected. Those are not very impressive numbers. Also I hear a lot of people saying get Kelly Gregg out of here. Well my friends Gregg had a better year that Soliai. Gregg ended the year with 39 tackles, 1 sack, and 1 pass deflected. (Stats from ESPN) Now I do agree we need a NT but why this one? what do you guys see in him? I think the Chiefs should sign a very good vet NT this offseason and bring him, Powe , and Bailey in to spring training and let them battle it out

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by DrewPorter on Jan 3, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah let's not focus on stats for 2 gap players

Soliai has been very stout at the point of attack the past few years for Miami, and they will likely not pay him. He is going to be the best option on the market. Gregg has really worn down, often getting pushed back by 1 man or when he is in position he whiffs on the tackle.

Bailey is not a NT. DE in the base 3-4, DT in our subpackage 4 man front

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Soliai would be a nice option.

And I agree, stats go out the window, when you watch him playing for Miami, especially the 2nd half of this season.

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by hmills110 on Jan 4, 2012 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

what about trading for mallet

hes a patriot…pioli loves him some bean boys

by falon36 on Jan 6, 2012 11:28 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Has kind of been talked about

Pats are in the drivers seat with Mallet and it would likely take a high pick to get him. Contract is small, has huge potential, why should they ship him out?

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by BAMFSpecialOps on Jan 7, 2012 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The Romeo Connection

With the Romeo hire I see us taking a long hard look at 2 guys from the Cleveland days in FA this year. Both are players that saw their best years under RAC and would likely be up for a reunion.

1. Shaun Rogers DE/NT- It’s becoming pretty clear that we are only going to use one pure NT on game days, next year I think that will be Powe. What we need is another guy who can play all over the DL, and effectively split time at both DE and NT. Cue Rogers who enjoyed his best years under Crennel and is just the sort of hybrid we need.

2. D’Qwell Jackson SILB- Has had a few injuries as of late and his play has dropped off since Romeo left, however this guy was a beast. Looks like he probably wont be brought back in Cleveland. Bring him in Pioli put him back into an RAC defense and our linebacking core immediately takes on elite status. Hali, Johnson, Jackson, Houston is a scary thought.

by Everest on Jan 13, 2012 3:30 AM CST reply actions  

I think the Chiefs took a run at Rogers, but lost out.

Not sure. But yeah, this would be a good candidate move, which I would pursue before pursuing Kelly Gregg very hard. While I wish Gregg would wrap up better when he gets his opportunities, I also think that he had a lot to do with gains made by the LB corps, and the defense, overall. So I’m not really down on him, per se. Rogers is the KIND of FA DL the Chiefs, with RAC, have targeted and enjoyed success with.

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by hmills110 on Jan 14, 2012 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

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