Should Chiefs Secondary Be Confident Vs. Bills Offense?
by Joel Thorman on Sep 7, 2011 9:58 AM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs game plan against the Buffalo Bills will be slightly different after the Bills traded away WR Lee Evans to the Baltimore Ravens a couple weeks ago. Evans was the Bills most accomplished receiver but he won't be on the field when Sunday hits.
So what will the Chiefs secondary be looking at when they line up on Sunday? SB Nation's Buffalo Rumblings has a nice tidbit on the Bills receivers:
The Bills have a new starting wide receiver now that Lee Evans has been traded, and it's a second-year former undrafted free agent out of Youngstown State by the name of Donald Jones. Jones was a deep reserve on the team last year - he played special teams but didn't record a catch in Week 8 against Kansas City, for instance - that, when pressed into action due to injury later in the year, responded with 18 receptions, 213 yards and a touchdown.
As noted, Jones didn't do anything against the Chiefs last year. Evans had 56 yards receiving while WR Roscoe Parrish had 66 yards, including a 37-yard reception. Buffalo Rumblings says the plan for KC should be to stop Johnson and Parrish first and foremost, but don't sleep on Jones.
If the Chiefs are smart, they'll game plan for Stevie Johnson and Roscoe Parrish in the passing game, because Jones hasn't proven much of anything at this point, whereas the other two players hurt Kansas City last year. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a guy who will target the open man, and if Jones is an afterthought, he could make a bunch of catches on Sunday. He's a good, solid football player.
I'm fairly confident in the Chiefs secondary heading into this game. Any Chan Gailey coached team will be creative in the passing game but the Chiefs were solid against QB Ryan Fitzpatrick last year holding him to a 50 percent completion percentage along with one touchdown and one interception.
I'd give the advantage to the Chiefs secondary in this game.
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The other half of this plan should be applying major pass rush pressure that we now have
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by kabrink on Sep 7, 2011 10:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
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by Falcon58 on Sep 7, 2011 10:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a feeling both defenses will do well
I have a feeling we will get to Fitz about 3-4 times for the sack and have 1 INT. I like our defense this game.
I'd be less worried about this early in the season given the shortened offseason.
But later in the year I bet they will try it.
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by Falcon58 on Sep 7, 2011 10:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually bet you see a lot of it with Brad Smith even attempting a pass or two out of it to get it on film. If teams see Smith passing out of the wildcat in week one, that will force the secondary to stay on their assignments and open up more running lanes for him as the season wears on. I predict 10 wildcat snaps for Smith in this game. We’ll see, but they aren’t paying him that much to be the 5th receiver.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 7, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd not be surprised at that
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Brian Waters was our most accomplised OLineman but he was released and won't be on the field for the Chiefs when Sunday hits ...
Evans was the Bills most accomplished receiver but he won’t be on the field when Sunday hits.
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only that we have confidence in our replacement for Waters, and rightly so … and just as we have confidence in our players, the Bills have confidence in theirs, and rightly so … let’s not get overly confident, that kind of thinking all too often leads to a terrible letdown if things don’t turn out “as planned”
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by upamtn on Sep 7, 2011 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And when you're upamnt
terrible letdowns are never a good thing…I can understand the hesitancy =)
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by KC Conundrum on Sep 7, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
the view is awesome but if you fall ... man, that's a hard landing
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The Perfect High ... check it out below ... one of my alltime favorites
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Nice
That is a damn good poem. I could ramble on about how awesome it is…but…
Cool, and thanks for sharing
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by KC Conundrum on Sep 7, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Also
I hadn’t read it before now….
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by KC Conundrum on Sep 7, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
... and thus the line in my "sig" :-)
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Shel Silverstein!
I read that to my students every summer while leading trips. Love the lore of that poem too. Shel wrote it anonymously and it was published in Playboy in the 70’s. Although it’s his and you’ll find his name attached to it on the Web, you can’t find it attached to the original in print. That is one of my ALL TIME fave poems too!
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like me, you read Playboy for the articles ...
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I know ...
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Confidence is a great thing to have
but the pitchforks are lined up here at AP—just in case. I can’t wait for the first regular season game day thread. The mood swings more than a bi-polar person at the plate during batting practice.
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by LocoLoboChico on Sep 7, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Dex will be the key to our victory
I know there were a couple games last year where Dex was out and we just seemed out of sync…anyone know what are offensive totals were with and without Dex last year?
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Surprisingly hard to find....
Team stats for individual games aren’t readily available (or at least I can’t find them). Dex missed the last week of October and all of November. We went 3-2 over that stretch, which means with him in the game, we went 7-4 (7-5 w/ postseason). Of course, he wasn’t the only variable in those games. Our point totals for those 5 games were: 13 (W v Buf) 20 (L, @Oak) 29 (L, @den) 31 (W, v AZ) 42 (W @sea).
Not exactly easy to tell how our offense was affected, stats wise at least. But I think you’re right about being out of sync.
Going by Win/Loss ratio
Its hard to marke the argument that Dex makes much difference. 3-2 * 2.2 = 6.6-4.4, round that out and you get 7-4 add in the playoff game and you still get the same ratio.
Nothing against Dex, but I think we are overstating his contribution to the team. But that’s not his fault, he was only a rookie.
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by Scaryclouds on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascity%20chiefs/schedule?team=KC&season=2010&seasonType=REG
Click “Final” after each game. You can check the box score, highlights, play-by-play, or whatever you want. Pretty good amount of info.
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yeah they are ... you aren't looking hard enough :-)
Team stats for individual games aren’t readily available
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Actually the teams stats were worse with Dexter than without him
Per game averages (regular season)
with Dex: 21 pts, 18.4 1st Downs, 328.6 yds, 164.7 passing, 163.91 rushing
without Dex: 27 points, 23 1st downs, 396 yds, 231.2 passing, 164.8 rushing
Seconday? Yes. Stopping the run? No.
I think the secondary gets it done.
1)strong secondary,
2)weak Buffalo receivers,
but mainly 3)Buffalo will hardly pass. Why should they until the chiefs prove that they can stop the run. Sad, but I think they can’t.
Yeah, but
Our secondary is extremely good at covering the run, Berry and Flowers in particular. If the don’t keep the D honest, we’ll put 8 in the box and take our chances with man coverage.
I hope you're right
I think I’ll have to see it to believe it. Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller are about as good of a draw as we can get for our first game, though.
Jackson will make more plays than you expect.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 7, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, the prevailing theory over at Buffalo Rumblings is that the team will make extensive use of a quick striking spread offense (5 wides or 4 wides and Spiller or Jackson spread out wide) to make up for a weaker line in both pass protection and run blocking. If Gailey can scheme properly and Fitz can execute, it could create some matchup issues for some teams…against KC? We’ll see….
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 7, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess we'll see.
But I’m inclined to think that’s a strategy the Chiefs would match up well against. I don’t think many people on AP would argue that our secondary and pass rush aren’t a lot stronger than our run defense.
Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick will come out firing on Sunday and make me look like a fool. But I’m inclined to be pretty okay with any offensive sets that Buffalo wants to run that would allow us to depend more on Brandon Flowers, less on Tyson Jackson, and allow guys like Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, Wallace Gilberry, and Cam Sheffield to really pin their ears back and rush the passer.
The longer Fred Jackson keeps you guys on the field and Jamaal Charles off of it, the less happy I am.
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Our secondary should dominate
Johnson and Parrish are decent receivers but far from elite. Fitzpatrick is a solid QB, but with no Evans out there Carr/Flowers/Berry SHOULD have a hay day. I’m predicting 3 sacks and an interception.
We’ll see if Johnson is elite this year. He broke out last year and is in a contract year. I think he could dominate. And let’s not overstate Evans impact….take a look at his stats from last year. You can say what you want about drawing coverages, but elite receivers still make plays when they draw coverage.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Sep 7, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Johnson has a down year.
Even if Evans wasnt putting up numbers, he was a threat that had to be accounted for, Now Johnson is the clear cut #1 guy and will be game planned for. I think Jonhsons stock goes down this year and Parrish’s goes up.
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by GenericBrand on Sep 7, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW
KC was 14th and 17th in YPG in Rushing and Passing last year, respectively.
Buffalo was 18th and 24th. One might say Buffalo is worse without Evans so that would put their passing game as bottom tier.
If the Chiefs can stop the run, hopefully they can hold the Bills to just a few points.
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I'm with Calabaloo on this one - the secondary should be always be confident, regardless of whom they're playing. Flowers, Carr, Berry, and Lewis certainly have the talent to shut down the Bills' passing game.
And, in a season where we play Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, etc., Buffalo’s passing attack certainly isn’t going to be the best we see this year.
But that doesn’t mean they aren’t for real. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a legit quarterback, Stevie Johnson is an incredibly talented up and coming receiver, and Buffalo fans seem quite excited about the young group of receivers they have behind him. The key here is confidence, but not over-confidence.
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We have the same secondary as last season.
They are a year more veteran, but they gave up a lot of passing yards last year. Fitzpatrick is very good, and possibly the most underated QB in the league. If there isn’t constant pressure on him, it will be a long day in the secondary and a lot of yards given up. Houston needs to be on the field and continue his pre-season performance.
I think the secondary will be substantially improved from last year for a few reasons.
1. Don’t under-estimate that extra year of experience. It’s maybe not a huge deal for the Brandons at this point, but it’ll make a huge difference for Berry and especially Lewis. Speaking of Lewis, he should see the field more this year which means…
2. Less Jon McGraw. It’s hard not to like McGraw but, at this stage of his career, the more defensive snaps he sees the more of a liability he is.
3. Flowers is finally healthy again. Will he stay that way? I hope so. But he’ll certainly be healthy heading into the Buffalo game and the difference between pre and post injury Flowers last year was night and day.
4. The pass rush should be better. I don’t want to count any chickens before they hatch, but it’s starting to look like this is the year that we finally develop a pass rush outside of Tamba Hali and occasionally Wallace Gilberry. If Houston or Sheffield can help bring more consistent pressure, the whole secondary’s job gets a lot easier.
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When you have a position group as young as our secondary, simply having another year in the system can result in serious improvement
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I agree completly that it "can" result in serious improvement.
I would just caution that it doesn’t automatically mean it “will” be improved. Keep in mind also that pass coverage isn’t just about the back 4. Our linebackers (looking at you Belcher) are not the best in coverage. TE’s kill us over the middle. Experience is good, talent is better.
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