Your Obligatory 'Should The Chiefs Sign David Garrard' Post
by Joel Thorman on Sep 6, 2011 2:38 PM CDT
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A big name gets released and Kansas City Chiefs fans say in unison: Go sign him, Scott Pioli!
The big name today is QB David Garrard, who has reportedly been informed by the Jacksonville Jaguars that he's being released. The move mirrors the QB Byron Leftwich situation a few years ago when the Jags decided to surprisingly cut Leftwich in early September and went with...Garrard.
Now Garrard is on the market and plenty of Chiefs fans are wondering if they should bring him in as the Chiefs top backup.
Me? I'm not sure I can see it happening but it would make some sense, depending on Garrard's knowledge of the Chiefs offense and his ability to quickly learn the playbook. I can't say I know enough about Garrard right now to talk about that but, looking at his stats (and his 60-percent-and-above completion percentage), I can see where it would make some sense.
I would guess Garrard doesn't sign anywhere until after the first week of the season so his 2011 salary wouldn't be guaranteed.
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He has similar numbers but has way more interceptions. Also, I find him to be less of a team leader than Cassel. Cassel organized team practices during the lockout. He only missed one game after rupturing his appendix and getting an appendectomy, and he’s likely going to start on Sunday despite the rib injury (however severe). I just don’t see that from Garrard.
Garrard is in the same leage as a Tony Romo
and a Kyle Orton
KCQB#7 is with Jason Campbell an Mark Sanchez
agreed... 2yrs ago, maybe
now, Garrard was good enough to force the jags to spend a 1st round pick on a QB
You're grossly overvaluing him
While some teams are better evaluators of talent than others, no NFL team is outrightly stupid. GMs and scouts wouldn’t last long on teams. Jacksonville cut Garrard KNOWING that McCown would be the week 1 starter. NONE of the other QBs you listed were cut from their team.
Jack Del Rio is awful
and he thinks Garrard is expendable because he has an assumed QBOTF in Gabbert
No.
But i think most would agree Jack Del Rio is a bad coach and that Blaine Gabbert is the presumed QBOTF
I don't think any fan base...
would be excited at the prospect of having Del Rio be announced as the new coach, but cutting Garrard wasn’t just his decision. Knowing that Gabbert is the QBOTF is irrelevant. The fact that Gabbert was never going to start in week 1 just means that the Jags think (for whatever reason) that McCown is a better option week 1 than is Garrard.
You clearly believe Garrard to be at least marginally better than Cassel. The Jags are going with McCown over Garrard. Certainly you don’t believe that McCown is better than Cassel? And don’t just pin this on QBOTF, because they could’ve cut garrard in week 4 just as easily.
Tony Romo: Most underrated QB in the history of the NFL
He’s Aaron Rodgers, without a Superbowl ring.
Fine, I’m going to put my name on it.
September 6, 2011 @ 2:08 Calgary time:
Tony Romo is going to win the NFL MVP in 2011.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
I must be reading that wrong, I am sure you meant OVERrated… like EVERYTHING related to the Cowboys
by stagdsp on Sep 6, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
100%
The only thing that fans in Dallas should be excited about is the big screen in the stadium.
How is Romo overrated?
He was just compared to Garrard and Neckbeard.
With a shitty line and a flux of WR’s, he’s put up great numbers, throws a great accurate ball and is just as mobile as anyone.
MVP. Book it.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I am in complete aggreance here
Not only because he’s my QB in two of my 3 fantasy leagues this year, but he really is damn good. Very accurate, extends plays with the best of them, and is clearly having fun on the field, ala Favre. Should have a big year
I'm so overrated, I'm underrated.
by RememberDelaney37 on Sep 6, 2011 3:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
he's just not a winner
statistically great, but not a leader.
Cassel on the other hand is a leader, but not so great statistically. We’ll see if Cassel can be a winner.
other guys like Romo:
Cutler, Rivers, Eli Manning (all except for one SB, and Tyree pulled off a catch for the ages)
"He's just not a winner"
Barf.
What has Cassel won that Romo hasn’t? Have you been in the locker rooms and huddles with Cassel and Romo? What does Cassel do that Romo doesn’t?
Romo has won a playoff game, and lost another one because of a missed snap.
Give Romo even a 1/2 decent defense, and they are a great team.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig
The missed snap wasn’t a missed sanp, it was a Romo mishaning a perfect snap.
Half decent defense? He has had that I believe.
2009 – second best in points per game
2008 – 20th best points per game
2007 – 13th best in points per game
That would be better the half decent.
he does have a crazy quick release, and mobility for days
if he could just throw to someone other than Witten
BOOM!
Um, Miles Austin?
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Noted for the record.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
HAHA
Doesn’t get much more outrageous than this. The only reason there is any shot of this at all is because of all the hype that constantly surrounds the Cowboys. Romo is a good not great quarterback. He knows how to manage a game and get tough wins, but he isn’t the type to go out there and put the team on his back and carry them to a win.
So because there is hype around a team, they can't be good?
Plus, I haven’t seen a large hype machine, hell with the Eagles in their division, they are going relatively unnoticed.
Prior to last year, Romo was a better QB than Rodgers. Now Rodgers is everyones golden boy….and I couldn’t give a shit about what hype surrounds players, I’m old enough to form my own opinions.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
They Can Be
I never said they cant be good. They are a solid team and obviously a solid organization. I was simply putting my opinion out there that Tony Romo is not and has never been an MVP caliper QB. Does he have the potential? Maybe but Aaron Rodgers had a lot more potential than he ever did. And if you read my post, I’m not following the hype, I was saying because of the hype that surrounds the team (meaning extra attention) he would have the potential to possibly get his name thrown around when it comes time to talk about the league MVP.
In Pioli We Trust
Aaaw, Craig's all growed up
Bet you drink your milk out of a dirty glass too, huh..
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
by ArrowSpread on Sep 6, 2011 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I commend
you on being bold on your prediction. By that you would also be saying that Dallas wins the division over the Eagles.
I wouldn't be shocked if the Eagles underwhelmed this year.
Building a championship team through free agency just has never worked. I still think they’re the favorites in the NFC East, but I’m not betting on them to win it all. When it comes to taking Super Bowl favorites, give me a built through the draft team full of home grown talent, like the Packers, over the “winners” of free agency 10 times out of 10.
Now, like I said, I’m not betting on the Eagles to miss the playoffs. But I wouldn’t be just shocked if they did, either. Vick is a constant injury risk, their o-line is questionable, Babin has “free agent” bust written all over him, and they spent money fixing every position on their team except the linebacker corps. Asomugha, Samuel, and Rodgers-Cromartie won’t do you much good if teams can just run at will on you. And it doesn’t matter how open Jackson or Maclin get if Vick is throwing from his back.
The Eagles look good on paper but, just like any other team, they don’t look invincible.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
I am with ya craig
I think if he stays healthy this year he is going to put of some scary good numbers this year.
2011 NFL Draft: Bring on the fatty's!
Tony Romo
is a top 7 or 8 QB in this league as statistics do not lie. Kyle Orton and David Garrard should not be placed anywhere near him.
No way - certainly not Romo
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
by kabrink on Sep 6, 2011 4:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Garrard is not as good as Cassel!
I’ve watched him every game here in Jax and he is not even average. His back condition has forced him to miss several games in the last 3 years and most of the fans here have had it with him. He used to be able to run well, but that was years ago. He had a really good year in his contract season, but that was the only year one could call him good.
Jack DelRio is a good football coach. His mantra is run the ball and play good D. Unfortunately, he has little say in player acquisition as that is the GMs bailiwick here, and like Parcells said, If I gotta cook the meal, I should get to buy the groceries.
"The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong is to let him have his way" Josh Billings
Kansas City Chiefs - 2020 Team of the Decade
My obligatory, 'we have the worst #2 QB in the league so the answer is obvious' answer.
yes.
by kcsno56 on Sep 6, 2011 2:41 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
This has nothing to do with him vs. Cassel. This is Garrard vs. Palko and that’s an easy one.
by polodude017 on Sep 6, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
If we get rid of Palko
then I will stop thinking of the movie The Replacements and Falco every time they say his name. Unacceptable, keep him.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
Falco is the man
“There’s one good thing about being deaf. It makes it easier to ignore the assholes. You? Asshole!”
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
Ha, I actually love that movie.
I kept laughing in week 2 or 3 of the preseason when they kept calling him Falco.
Insert witty yet thought provoking phrase here.
to me this is a no brainer
who would you pick as your #2 Palko or Garrard? former starter or a never starter?
I said YES
I think he’d be a much better backup than Palko
it’d be a little scary to cut Palko while Cassel is hurting… but I think Stanzi could play well enough to beat Buffalo while Garrard learned the offense
Its only scary if you think Palko gets picked up.
Only team that would consider it is the BIlls, b/c we are playing them next week.
no, I don't think anyone would pick Palko up
just scary because (in that scenario) Cassel is hurt, and Garrard doesn’t know the playbook
You could keep 4 QB's for a week
Stranger things have happened, and we have a handful of guys I think we could cut and get back after a week or two.
You then sign but don’t activate Garrard, really doesn’t change your gameplan for the first week.
I don’t see this happening, b/c I think as others have said, Garrard will have better opportunitie$.
I don't think it would be a whole lot about money this year
His best bet, IMO, is to find someplace where he could possibly play this year and parlay that into a long-term deal someplace else. I think that’s more important than maximizing his money in 2011.
The best opportunity for him to play
Will also probably be offering him the most $.
The Redskins, I saw tweeted today, have $2 they are paying their QB’s this year. They probably are willing to commit more $ to their QB position at this point than we are. For multiple reasons, really.
Not for Grossman or Beck...
$2.00 seems about right, haha.
SF is the perfect fit
They need a QB, need to dump A. Smith, and somebody to mentor their two young QBs.
If he's willing to accept being a backup, why the hell not?
Anybody honestly think he wouldn’t be better than Palko?
I’d get really sick of people calling for him to start every time Matt Cassel failed to post a perfect passer rating, though.
"[Jamaal Charles] probably fights crime in his spare time while inhaling carbon emissions, exhaling oxygen, and crapping oil. That’s how awesome he is. Not just good for the Chiefs, but America."
- MNchiefsfan
It would start the minute the ink was dry.
Read the first post. And this is about a guy who has only been an average QB and now has back problems. I don’t like Palko, but geez, we can develop back problems with our own guys. Pioli won’t touch him. We stopped signing all of the washouts when Carl left. Groom our own and let’s be done with it.
We stopped signing the washouts when Carl left
Mike Goff and Mike Vrable would like a word with you.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 6, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas Jones and Kelly Greg too
Standing on the corner in a white Godfather hat. He drives a long black gangster Cadillac. He can steal a broads mind, man, in three or four minutes. It’s not how long you talk, brother, it’s what you put in it.
by HIV 2 Elway on Sep 6, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Add Weigs to that list
And Toomer, and Mike Brown, and Bobby Wade, and Mark Engram, and….
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
I think we'll make a play for him.
But I don’t know that he’ll sign here.
I think there are better opportunities for him to work his way into a starting position. He’s pretty much guaranteed to be the backup here.
So in context, I think he makes the most sense for us as a backup QB among all options available. But I think we don’t make the most sense for him. So we’ll make an offer, he’ll go elsewhere, and our front office will be lambasted by fans in the blogosphere for not trying to win, being stupid / cheap / whatever, and the wheels on the bus continue to go round and round.
But if we do convince him to come play backup, that’d be awesome.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
by TRSChief on Sep 6, 2011 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, if I were him
I’d try to go someplace where the QB situation is a little shakier and he can see some time this year.
by Joel Thorman on Sep 6, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
All this time I thought we were a little shaky. :)
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Sep 6, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually... Cassel could be another big hit away from a few weeks on the sidelines.
If you’re talking #2 QB… ABSOLUTELY.
If Garrard expects to start… forget it.
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Redskins, Raiders, Seahawks, Niners, Bills, Bengals, Dolphins,
It is what it is and we are who we are.
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by nateforchiefs on Sep 6, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes on all counts.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
I could see Bengals too.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
I've heard conflicting stories... like he'd show up this week to get his salary guaranteed.
Even if he was or wasn’t the starting QB for week 1.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
great move for Cinci
then they can save face on the Palmer fiasco and look macho by handing his number away
It's a very likely landing spot.
Though you and I both know if / when that happens, there’ll be a cacophony of cries saying Hunt is cheap, Pioli can’t assess talent, we don’t really want to win, etc, etc. It’s the way of things.
The Chiefs and I have mutually agreed on this decision and although I look forward to continuing my career, I’ll always have a special place in my heart for Kansas City.
Not so sure...
He’s pretty much guaranteed to be the backup here.
If our line blocks like they did in preseason, he will be awarded the starting gig here…
PICTURE ME SLAPPING THE TOUGHEST GUY YOU KNOW!!!
KCCHIEFSFAN72!!!!
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 6, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we forget Pioli runs this team?
That is not a diss at Pioli at all. I love the guy. And we have all seen he isn’t going to overpay for anybody. Garrard was scheduled to make $8M this year. If he was a backup, he would take a pay cut, but he would be expensive. Too expensive for this front office’s taste.
My take? Who gives a shit
We are still way under the cap and a 1 year $8 hit isn’t going to matter or impede the longterm plans
Pioli’s job is to improve the team on the field, which makes this a no-brainer.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
and, again
there’s no way he makes $8mill this year
he’s a FA, and will get a modest deal for his new team
After more thought...
I think he can be had at a reasonable price, and would be disappointed if we weren’t at least major players in his free agency.
Garrard is moderately abover average
Cassel moderately below. He won’t come here because we wouldn’t let christ himself start over cassel but I wish he would.
You know what this site needs more of?
Where does Cassel rate vs other QB debates.
by craig in calgary on Sep 6, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
ha!
I was once fired from a job two days after I waited on Matt Cassel and his wife Lauren Killian. Totally my AP moment to remember. Unfortunately also one of my stupidest moments.
by Chiefs_swagger on Sep 6, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
David Garrard can make progressions at NFL speed
KCQB#7 simply cannot. Garrard can hit a downfield reciever. KCQB#7 only can when they’re “college open” Garrard’s flaw is being too dependent on their being talent around him
Which wouldn't be a problem for him here... Hmmm.... compelling argument...
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
Weird..
I can’t imagine they would want to start Gabbert yet..I don’t think he comes here unless Cassel is much worse than whats being reported. Wishful thinking. There are still options out there…and may be a few more soon.
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
They are starting McCown.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
Cassel is above average...
I would say he is moderately above and Garrard is below…
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
Deja Vu?
PICTURE ME SLAPPING THE TOUGHEST GUY YOU KNOW!!!
KCCHIEFSFAN72!!!!
by kcchiefsfan72 on Sep 6, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This would be a bad move for the Chiefs organization.
The Chiefs have hand-picked their QBOFT and bringing in Garrard will hurt the progress of the young star. Garrard would be a stop-gap solution to an injury at first, and then would linger on the Chiefs team, taking snaps and experience away from the heir apparent.
The Chiefs would be better off giving the game reps to Stanzi if Cassel cannot go.
If everyone worked as hard as me, I would be out of a job.
-Steve Nash
I like this plan better.
We can go get washed up guys if Stanzi flops…thats like 5 years from now…
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
long run maybe
short run definitely not
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
well thats ot the case..
If Cassel cant go, then we are looking at Mr Palko not Stanzi.. and all i can say to that is god help us all.. Garrard over Palko anyday!! Possibly over cassel as well.
by Jeremy Daniel on Sep 6, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Ridiculous...
With 5 days to go until the ONLY game he’ll be used in, Palko, Stanzi, or (Don’t kill me folks) even bringing back Croyle for a 1 year leage min. then cutting next week. WE HAVE LESS THAN A WEEK BEFORE OUR FIRST GAME SIGNING HIM TO PLAY THAT GAME WOULD GAURANTEE A LOSS… I MEAN IT. GAURANTEE.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
So hard to hand the ball off..
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
Cassel’s out, sign a band aid, and run our undersized star into a 9 man box thirty times on the first game… yes.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That will be our game plan with Palko or Garrard
Let’s get bent out of shape cause one name is used instead of the other?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not bent and don't really wanna sound like I'm yelling at strangers on the internet. That's not really me.
just kind of surprised that people are really going for this. I just don’t see how anyone would believe that Garrard with a week in the offense would outperform Palko with a year and a half in our offense. That really makes no football sense.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on how complex we made the playbook for the game
As I said with Palko behind center for game 1, we will run the ball 90% of the time if not more. Doesn’t sound too bad for Garrard nor to hard to figure out which way the run play is headed.
btw, caps means yelling soooo yeah you were yelling ;)
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by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'M SORRY. I'M HAVING TROUBLE CONTROLLING THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Perhaps people are underestimating what a QB needs to know to successfully run an offense, even IF it is mostly running plays
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
One word - Boiman
CHIEFS DYNASTY – we’re kind of a big deal
by kabrink on Sep 6, 2011 4:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Or Bauman, depending on your dialect.
Top 10 defense and another trip to the playoffs!
Tamba Hali, NFL Sack Leader, 2011
Umm who said he will start week 1? obviouslly he will need time with the team
but if Cassel gets hurt again i would rather have Garrard as a back up with our schedule.. Slow your role Simon!
by Jeremy Daniel on Sep 6, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a MUCH MUCH better thought than what most of what I have read is.
I still feel like if Palko can’t hold down number 2, then lets give Stanzi at least a couple weeks at it. Hell we drafted him. I get the Garrard for back up campaign. I just know there’s cheaper back ups out there, and I would prefer to use what we have for the rest of the season. Continuity is valuable.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Cheaper?
most sal cap, hardest schedule and no back up.. Your starting to sound like old Carl Peterson :)
by Jeremy Daniel on Sep 6, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
haha ouch man
Not just cheaper money. I feel like this guy will cost us chemistry. He will want more than back up money, but more importantly WE WILL WANT TO and try to earn a starting job. There are guys on that list down there I would prefer because they will be able to manage a game just as well as Garrard and won’t rock the boat. I like Todd Collins or Chris Simms (Tough Motherf*cker).
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
OMG someone is making sense...
Cassel has a rib injury and MIGHT not play one week. So let’s go and fuck up the development of both our young guys to bring in a guy who has NO CHANCE of managing our offense better than either current back up, because he will have 5 days to learn it. The idea at all of bringing him in is unfathomably stupid. Jesus people this is checkers not chess! :)
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you mean it
I really feel like I’m taking crazy pills or something.
Chiefs will...
by Simon from KC on Sep 6, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I do mean it.. Ill get blasted but I do.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 6, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He does make sense, but...
I’m not thinking Garrard over Palko in week 1, obviously that wouldn’t work. I’m thinking Garrard over Palko by week 8. The Chiefs always talk about how improving backups is important to improving the team. Garrard is better than Palko in every way I can think of EXCEPT knowledge of the system.
I suppose I must also concur that I’d rather see Stanzi get snaps if it comes to it, but not so early in his career.
Good point
So many other teams that Garrard could go to and get a fair shake to be the #1, in essence to raise his value for next year…
by Patrick Coughlin on Sep 6, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Washington will probably throw the house at him
But if we could roll with 4 QB’s til’ Cassel gets back then cut Palko down the road. This would make our QB situation a lot more comfortable
BOOM!
If you are looking for cheap backups...
Jake Delhomme
Trent Edwards
Dan Orlovsky
Josh McCown
Patrick Ramsey
J.T. O’Sullivan
Jim Sorgi
Kellen Clemens
Brodie Croyle
Todd Collins
Chris Simms
Brett Ratliff
Charlie Frye
Troy Smith
Brian St. Pierre
Brian Brohm
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
True...
Garrard costs more…and would “stunt” the growth of our QB of the future…just a list of available QB’s with experience and on the cheap…most better than Palko.
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
How would he "stunt" the growth of our QB?
If Stanzi is ever game ready, Stanzi will play. It will “stunt” the growth of our team to be playing a fifth round rookie as the primary backup for one even two seasons. Look what happened with Rusty Smith in Tennessee.’
And as if money is an issue in KC this year. We could give him a $10m contract and still have plenty room to sign free agents
BOOM!
Possibly Practice Reps
Who knows, Cassel-Garrard-Stanzi means Stanzi is probably gettting zero reps with the twos…. Cassel-Palko-Stanzi, just in my mind gives Stanzi more room to grow on the practice field
by Patrick Coughlin on Sep 6, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure..
Maybe more of a battle between PAlko and Stanzi than Garrard Stanzi…but that is the whole point…We want a starter thats better than Cassel GArrard and Palko put together…so Stanzi just may have to sit behind these guys until he proves to be the MANZI.
SIg was too long..had to delete it.
Becuase 67% of the fans on here would cut Palko TODAY....
For a guy off the streets who was released by the effing Jags… I’m sure Haley would get our QBOTF more reps if Palko was in front of him
by Patrick Coughlin on Sep 6, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
and he wouldn't if Garrard is in fron of him?
also how is he the QBoTF? He’s a fifth round rookie playing behind Matt Cassel who is 29. Stanzi is our BUoTF.
BOOM!
I forgot I am not the GM..
As a fan I say sign em up…what can it hurt.
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
QBOTF?
Cassel is only 29 and Stanzi was a 5th round pick. Neither of those things make me think Stanzi is the ordained QBOTF. We will likely go into week 1 with our curretn roster and may think about replacing Palko with Garrarg after that. That way, we have a guy familar with our system ready to go if Cassel is too hurt, and we can bring Garrard along over time if Cassel is feeling game-ready.
id still take
brian brohme, chris simms, troy smith, ellen clemens, nd someone else over garrard. garrad is a known quantity. the others might not be.
who the hell would want any these bums??? i would rather take my chances with Palko/Stanzi
by Jeremy Daniel on Sep 6, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't want them..
Just a list of who is left…
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
and did you really add Brodie and Todd Collins to this list?
by Jeremy Daniel on Sep 6, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Copy/Paste
from Caplan’s list of best available.
2011 predictions:
1. Jammal rushes for 1500 yards.
2. Bowe gets 15 TD catches.
3. Berry and Flowers combine for 10 INT's.
4. We lead the AFC in sacks.
5. Gaither becomes our LT by week 6
Record: 9-7 Wildcard win, lose to Steelers/Texans in playoffs.
McCown isn't on this list.
He’s the guy getting Garrard’s job.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
There are 2 McCowns.
Josh and Luke
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
Aaaahhh.... good to know.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
God. I can't even LOOK at Jake Delhomme's name
He’ll only teach Stanzi how to make a highlight film from throwing interceptions.
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
You lost me @ Jake Delhomme.
Brodie Croyle! Isn’t he got the Cardinal fans sweating bullets now?
by WillShields4ever on Sep 6, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who on that list can play NFL quarterback? Who??
Troy Smith, maybe. But he needs a Thiggy, spread ’em wide system where he could run or pass to be effective.
Clemens and Trent Edwards are like the really cute, sweet girls in your high school science class who got knocked up by the second-string RT on the football team, lived in a trailer that caught fire, got divorced, and now works at the QT pumping gas: Man, they were loaded with potential when they first came down the pike…and man, are they busted now.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Sep 6, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I say yes.
He’s not flashy but he’s not a turnover machine. And he’s got plenty of experience as a quality NFL quarterback. If Cassel gets injured, I would feel safe with Garrard playing QB.
*When we blitz, have the LB's do a KC Strip. Do this in remembrance of DT.
*Dear David Glass, as a lifelong Royals fan, I beg you to please sell the team. You have always been the problem; you will never be the solution.
same oline as last year
except asamoagh over waters.
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
meant as a reply to the post below
The way I see it
Cassel will get hurt by week 2 with our weak O line play. Do we really want Palko stepping in for him? What would it hurt, signing a veteran like Garrard?
Give Me A Beer, A Brat, And A Chiefs Game On TV, And We Will Get Along Just Fine!
2 years ago
I would take Garrard over Cassel. Not willing to say that no, but over Palko without a doubt
I don't hate Palko, but that's some hard-to-beat logic.
Definitely makes the team better. It’d be like the Gaither signing.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Sep 6, 2011 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes. This would be a quality signing.
Garrard would make an extremely good backup and insurance policy.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
not quality
backup qb is worst case scenario for every team in the nfl. (nerd alert) its like wasting money on backups for qb/defense/st/te in an auction fantasy draft) waste of time and money.
With a full offseason, part of me would have preferred Garrard to Cassel...
I don’t think he’ll sign here simply because he’d have no chance to start barring injury. He has a real shot to start in Seattle or Miami.
You have seen our o line
He would get his chance to start here. There is no way Cassel will make it all season like it is now!
Give Me A Beer, A Brat, And A Chiefs Game On TV, And We Will Get Along Just Fine!
YES I SAW THEM last season and PREseason
They where pretty damn good. Bes NFL run game.. Cassel didnt get sacked an alarming amount (and everybody on here bitches because he holds on to the ball to long). LETS LET THE O LINE PROVE THEMSELVES IN A REAL GAME!
sorry for the caps.. just tired of the indepth preseason oppinions and analysis that dont hold shit to what the real season may bring.
WHEW!!!!!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Sep 6, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Chiefs should definitely sign Garrard.
He is a much better #2 than Palko, trouble is, Garrard isn’t coming to KC,
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
this
it will never happen just because there are so many starting opportunities around the league. But it would be sweet if it did
BOOM!
No one in the league does a better job year in year out with a crap players then Del Rio.
I guess he’ll have a chance to extend that sentiment.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Agreed... but Garrard is > Palko.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
How 'bout this:
Garrard is >>>>>>>>>>>> Palko
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
Correct.
But I personally feel 100% more comfortable to have DG back there instead of Palko.
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
either way
if the backup is playing. if you like casel or not. its not a good thing
Ofcourse. Cassel going down is the last thing I want...
But do you want to get your ass kicked? Or do you want to compete at the very least?
There is a fly in the ointment. The sh*t has hit the fan. The lion will speak.
ehhhh
whether we lose by 3 or lose by ten its still a lose come monday
on the sig though.
i have 2 future KC cheerleaders(honestly i hope not) on my hands and there is nothing better then hearing TOUGHDWN every sunday
I'll have one future cheerleader myself (not if her mother has anything to do with it)
Mama wants her in the front office somewhere at 1 Arrowhead Drive. That’s something Daddy can get behind.
Preparing to welcome a future Chiefs fan in December... football season and fatherhood somehow go together.
Would love to have him as a Veteran backup
He won’t sign anywhere and just be given a starting role this late into the year, so why not go somewhere where he knows he will be the number 2 and the starter may or may not be injured.
Just because you disagree with someone/something, or they disagree with you, doesn't mean that person/act is ignorant. Please don't be ignorant of how to properly use the word ignorant!
by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Sep 6, 2011 3:13 PM CDT reply actions
Jacksonville is awful. Awful.
And they let Garrard go so McCown (not Gabbert) could start. Does this not alarm anyone as to his eroded abilities as a QB?
Or how poor Palko is..
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They cut him because he was making $8 million and they want to move on.
If he was making the same $$$$ as MCCown he would still be a Jaguar.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Stanzi is better than Palko,
by Ricky Stanzi's Ex-Girlfreind on Sep 6, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
First hand experience?
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Prove to me there is a better back up available...
until then. I’d want us to take a serious look at signing him as our backup. Plus, he’s probably a good durable, last line of defense QB until we throw Palko or the Rookie out there. Dude is jacked and can take hits. I like Stanzi, but no experience.
We have ZERO experience behind MC. That is dangerous folks.
Sign him…it’s fun. do it. do it.
Garrard won't be signing with KC
No one will touch his awful contract, which means he won’t be signing anywhere till after game 1. Then he will sign for whichever team offers the most money plus the starting job. He will not choose KC, unless Pioli has gotten a lobotomy recently, because we will not be guaranteeing him the starting job.
We do need a better backup than Palko, and Garrard is better than Palko, but he won’t choose to come to KC to be the backup.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 6, 2011 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
And the prophet speaks...
I’m not so sure. Perhaps DG is at a place in his career where he feels he has peaked. And knows that he can’t DEMAND anything right now. Maybe he wants to join a team who can AFFORD to pay him and give him a secure back up role for a year. Until something better came along…..I’m just playing devils advocate.
I’m also very nervous with what we have. No offense to either of our guys. I just don’t trust either of them to be counted on. Now, if we’re up 4 touchdowns in the fourth Q…bring on Stanzi and give him some snaps. Otherwise…Find us a backup. I could be wrong.
I get where you're coming from,
and I respect that. I agree….I want a vet backup. But Garrard isn’t up to that point just yet. I just think there’s too many options for him to start. A lot of teams could do worse than Garrard (or, are doing worse).
I’m nervous about the backups right now, but honestly, I want to see what Stanzi has got. I don’t feel like I really know just yet what he can do.
I hope you'r right.
I’d love to see Garrard here as a backup, but there are too many teams that could offer him a better chance to start, I just can’t see him choosing KC from the options he should have.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 6, 2011 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he is on waivers because as a vet he is a free agent.
There is no need to p[ay his big salary. He has to negotiate and new contract with the team that signs him.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
Yeah he has NO contract anymore
So your big ol point is quite moot
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take your word for that
In the article I first read about his release, the writer said that if he signed before week 1, his contract would be guaranteed. But I can’t find that article now, and you know what you’re talking about, so I will take your word for that.
I think that makes it even more likely that he’ll go somewhere else, though, if his previous contract is not a factor anymore.
by Offense of the 70s on Sep 6, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it is 4 years of service.
Less than 4 you need to clear waivers, more than for you become a free agent.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
His 8 or 9 mil contract from the Jags is over now
Whatever he signs will be in effect, if he signs for a vet min contract before week 1 then the contract is guaranteed. The 8 or 9 mil number is gone and out of the window due to the fact he was cut, not traded, no team has to work off that number
I don't start arguments, I provoke thinking. -Me
Alameda Ta’amu NT/DE 2012 Draftee
by BAMFSpecialOps on Sep 6, 2011 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Seating OT:
Anyone know the number of rows in the upper deck? Such as Section 324?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The question is not should the Chiefs sign David Garrard, the question is, would David Garrard sign with the Chiefs. Why would he, if he had a better chance to start elsewhere.
Should we or could we?
Should we? Our backup is Tyler Palko… So, yes. 100%
Could we? Garrard is a quality NFL quarterback with a pro bowl contract. Plus many teams will want him. He’ll never choose KC.
If Peyton Manning misses half the season or more the Colts won't win that division
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
I am saying we should pick up Troy Smith.
He has a good relationship with several of our current players. Some experience and upside…and is not bad at scrambling himself…much more of a possibility IMO.
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I prefer the guy on the left.
Word is his accuracy is better than anyone on the roster.
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He may have just turned the corner...He needs a job!
On September 6, 2010, Smith signed with the San Francisco 49ers. On Oct 27, Troy Smith was announced as the starter, replacing an injured Alex Smith for San Francisco’s game Oct 31 vs the Denver Broncos in London, England. During this game Smith ran for one TD and threw to Michael Crabtree for another in a 49ers win. Smith actually excelled in the second half by going 8 for 10 for 159 yards, and leading the Niners to three fourth-quarter touchdown drives. The Niners won the game, 24-16. For Smith’s quality performance, he was named Sports Illustrated NFL Offensive Player of the week.
On Nov 14, Troy Smith led the 49ers to an overtime victory over the Rams. Smith out-dueled Rams rookie Sam Bradford in this Heisman trophy quarterback matchup. He threw for 356 yards, one touchdown and ran for 12 yards without being intercepted.
On Nov 15, Troy Smith was named the new starting quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers.
As of November 29, after a Monday night win over the Cardinals, Smith was 3-1 as the 49ers starting QB. In week 16, Smith was named the starting QB against the St.Louis Rams.
Smith was not resigned by the 49ers.
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I would take a young QB with good chemistry...
over an older guy with injuries and baggage any day…Garrard can go to a crap team with a QB hole…we got our guy for now…and if he goes down…we could use T. Smith or Stanzi.
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I have been saying that since this summer
He actually would be my first choice for a veteran backup out of all of them out there.
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by ChiefsFan4Life634 on Sep 6, 2011 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We've had the opportunity and haven't taken it
so I doubt Troy Smith will be coming to KC. I don’t get it though, he HAS to be better than Palko.
Aw Man!,
we need a quarterback contraversy like we need a hole in the head.
by WillShields4ever on Sep 6, 2011 3:49 PM CDT reply actions
Everybody seems to be missing the obvious
Sign Gerrard, move Cassel to his college USC position: TE
You can't spell Power without Powe.
It's his natural position.
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Sep 6, 2011 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How is this even a debate?
David Garrard would be one of the best backups in the league. We would have excellent depth all of a sudden. Like Cassel or not, we’re done if he goes down with our current QB situation. Garrard would keep the train moving.
We're the same team as last year, except incredibly better, and with new players.
Todd Bouman better keep his cell phone on him at all times.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
Even if we wanted him,
which Pioli might because he seems like a real boot-strap, high-character guy, I doubt he wants us. Garrard felt a lot of attachment to his starting QB role and I’m sure would rather end-up somewhere like Washington, Minnesota, or Seattle where he can theoretically be a starter again by the end of the season.
He could theoretically be the starter in KC by the end of the season...
Cassel isn’t exactly beyond reproach…
When was the last time Haley operated with a quarterback remotely similar to Garrard?
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
How about right now.
I think Garrard and Cassel might be as similar as any 2 QB’s in the league.
The views expressed by craig in calgary do not necessarily represent the views of all Canadians.
...if you mean like Garrard but with talent, the answer is "Romo."
If you mean like Garrard but Irish-American (and equally as good at hustling, but lacking in real QB skill:): Glenn Foley.
In fact, Garrard is closer to Cassel than Foley. None are close to Romo (sadly).
"You've only got 10 fingers to stick in the dike. Is there a breaking point that pushes you over the edge?...Where's the limit?"
-Marty Schottenheimer
by go_saleaumua on Sep 6, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
we could use him....no doubt about it....I would be on the phone to his agent in a flash..
I dont think Tyler is the answer….the way the league is now,its hard to have a starting QB around the whole season…so we need someone who can step in and play….Garrard is that guy…I think I hear the phone ringing as I speak!GO CHIEFS!
we have a lot of game managers at qb already we need ballers
but fuck it why not atleast we have a legit back up
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There is a reason for 220 comments on this thread!!
Palko is not the man. We need a back up QB with some experience. God help us if Cassell goes down. It’s over.
Who would we cut?
Even if we did pick up Garrard he would need time to learn the offense. We need a quality back up for atleast a few weeks that could back up cassel in case of injury. I could see Chiefs putting him on the practice squad until they felt he was ready to replace palko, which shouldn’t take long.
Save the cash on Garrard
Pick up O’Dowd, protect Cassel, cause he sure doesn’t need another QB breathing down his neck sniffing around after his job.
For everybody worried about Stanzi's development
Wasn’t he drafted in the 5th round? He has a better chance of being a serviceable backup than the QBOTF. Bringing in a guy like Garrard depends on how one feels about Palko. I am not a Chief’s fan but based on what I have seen, I am not impressed. Garrard is going to be entering the “Really Good Backup or Transitional Placeholder” part of his career. He is a skilled QB but is very inconsistent. That said, if you needed a guy for a few games Garrard beats Palko. If I were him I would try and play for SF and take the starting job from Smith.
Gerrard thinks he's starting material
he’s not. If could accept playing 2nd string to Cassel I’d much rather have him over Palko. No comparison. Gerrard>>>>>Palko. I just made a comparison. I strongly believe in visual stimulation.
2011 hopefuls: Being competitive and whooping the holy poop out of the AFC West.
Would LOVE for him to sign for a lesser than 8 Million dollar 1-2 yr contract BUT
1. It wont happen; just dont see Pioli pulling the trigger on it
2. Another team will OVERPAY for his services
"Stay Classy Kansas City"
by Mas Cervezas on Sep 6, 2011 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but only if the money is right
No reason to spend a ton of money on a #2 QB, but he’s an immediate upgrade over Palko. I’d rather have Stanzi behind Cassel and Gerrard anyway.
Needs to happen.
This is no argument on who’s better between him or Cassel, Cassel is our starter and that’s the way it should be, and the way I want it to stay, but if we had Garrard I would feel much more comfortable with our backup situation, Palko needs to go.
I'm all for it but......
Gerard was scheduled to make 8 million this season. I would imagine he was asked to restructure his contract, and refused. That tells me that their will likely be a bidding war over his services, and I’m not so sure Pioli will fork out big bucks for a backup QB. He also would have a better chance to start for teams that are in flux at their QB position, i.e: Seattle, Miami, 49er’s, etc. I’ve always thought that he was somewhat underrated, but I guess Del Rio doesn’t have the same opinion.
There once was a man from Nantucket......Nevermind.
Of course it should happen
If KC really wants to compete for a Super Bowl, then signing Garrard as a backup to a short term deal is an obvious move. The Chiefs are loaded with cap space and have a QB that’s already banged up. Garrard is clearly a better option than Palko or Stanzi at this point—and I have a lot of hope for Stanzi. There is no logical reason not to sign Garrard to a one-year deal, unless the Chiefs just want to pay less and put a worse product out on the field. Do you think that Dallas or Green Bay or Philly or the Jets (or any number of other teams) would hesitate to sign him if they had a banged up QB, unproven backups, and cap space to spare?
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